Warning about the rules: all RED MARKINGS must be ignored. This is even the case for red circles. This is not mentioned in the rules of the puzzle itself, leading to confusion.
Thanks! I kept wondering why I couldn't place the 5 in the red circle... Was the last odd number and I thought that it had to be in the circle, as the rules say. No wonder this was driving me nuts. PS - I give up! Now the knights rule is broken? :o PPS---- Oh--- Kings move! Not knights move... geez. Back to the drawing board. :/ I better learn to read the rules better. :D
The rules definitely need to call it out, because the red markings are wrogn. The red circles do not have an odd digit in them and adjacent digits on the red line do not differ by 5 or more.
@@maljamin In order for it to be fixed on the puzzle link itself, either the whole puzzle would have to be re-entered, or the constructor would have to have provided the file that the the puzzle is generated from. It is not possible for Mark to easily make that correction in the puzzle. (The description field under the video, and the card in the video, mention that the red markings can be ignored.)
@@daniellucas5522 It's definitely intentional. The red lines aren't just for show, they are wrogn. The rules don't mention it but the red circles do not have odd digits and adjacent digits on the red line do not differ by 5 or more.
Another way to see the 2:4:8 break in is that if the middle digit was a 2, the black dot sequence would be 1:2:4, and the digit below it on the thermo would see 1,2,3,4 and 5, making the thermo impossible to fill
Mark: “I will put this big king in front of my nose to remind me of the king’s move rule.” Also Mark: IMMEDIATELY forgets the king’s move rule :) This is about how far I can relate, after that he lost me 😂
1 minute to forget Kingy McKingface ♚! Interesting how Mark spotted that putting an 8 on the end of the thermo was impossible _because it put a 1-2-4 sequence on the dots and made r6c7 impossible_ but didn't realise it was actually the 1-2-4 sequence that made it impossible and so left those there even after making the thermo tip a 9.
Besides the red markings, there is also the placement of the cage totals. If that is important for the solve, it's usually spelled out more precisely what top left means.
Finished in 11:37 (conflict checker on), and it's a good thing I read the rules in the video description before the puzzleside rules. Ignore red markings is pretty important. Fun puzzle, fog that reveals longer and longer elements is always a fun time.
Wow! I got the 9 in box 8 a lot faster than Mark did but I spent 20 minutes looking for the next move and couldn’t find it. Came back to the video looking for a hint and IT WAS THE EXACT SAME DEDUCTION!!! I feel so dumb.
Construction of this was not shoddy. Why that grid was as hot as a toddy. For an hour or two I was stuck here like glue. And now I must run and go potty!
25 minutes. For me, red markings werent a problem, it says in the rules to ignore them. Gray square/circle was though. They were more black than gray so I was unsure if they too were a decoration
1:08:48@#1521. That took longer than I had hoped. I had to really sweat a lot of the deductions. I got the first digit, then almost gave up. It took a while to figure out how the kropki interacted with the thermo. The midgame was a start-and-stop, and a flurry of activity at the end got it done. No screw-ups for once, though.
I was waiting anxiously for the fog to contain extra instructions for the red line and circles, only to realise by the end those were just cosmetic. :D
I finished in 25:19 minutes. That was a little tricky, until I remembered the King's move ruleset. There was some fun geometry in this one. I think my favorite part was seeing that r3c1 and r4c3 always had to be a 3 and 8, respectively. It was really cool how that worked out. This was a nice approachable sudoku. Great Puzzle!
I liked the puzzle! especcially when the King's move rule helped a ton in the first digit. :P Took me nealry an hour, but it was worth it. Thank you guys for puzzle and video!
As I noticed several times before, drawings *often* make the puzzle less interesting and enjoyable, by forcing too much information into the grid and making the logic path less elegant (with notable exceptions, of course, e.g. when weakly constrained or shorter lines are used). For instance, in this case, the *9* cell thermometer was too powerful in my opinion.
I don’t think you needed the 89 cell to prove that a 124 sequence brakes the thermo. You already said a 2 in the center of the sequence for any reason had to be surrounded by a 14 pair which breaks the thermo.
@@werefrogofassyria6609 The rules shown in the video are usually the best arbiter. And odd/even cells are generally marked with a filled grey circle or square.
@@sirenier It's fairly common for the puzzle to either have no instructions (mostly older puzzles) or missing some rules, sure they should try to do better but it happens pretty often. I always try to double check, especially when you run into an issue, which you do fairly quickly in this puzzle if you think of red marks as circles.
@@ludrikvaillancourt5533 The rules definitely need to say that the red clues are wrogn. The red circles do not have odd digits and adjacent digits on the red line do not differ by 5 or more.
Heads up that there's a square that you discover early on, which is supposed to be grey and therefore must contain an even digit--it displayed as black for me, and I don't generally watch the videos before I solve, so I was real confused!
I missed an option initially on the kropki dots and thought the puzzle was broken, which threw me off a bit for the rest of the solve, but still managed to finish in 14:33 (conflict checker off). Many thanks to Russian Singer for a very wonderful fog puzzle!
Thought it was pretty obvious. The Thermo and Whisper line make up the outline of the drunken fish and the red circles and line are its Eyes and mouth.
21:52 I don’t get this clue of mark saying “this box must contain two digits adding up to 9. And it’s not 6 and 3 or 1 and 8. So it mush be 2 and 7.” I don’t get why the cage needs two digits. It needs 4 digits adding up to remaining of 20 right. Could somebody explain?
I had same question... but I'm beginning to get it now - since in a cage digits can't repeat, and a nine-cell cage would total 45, and this seven-cell cage only totals 36, the two "missing digits" must add up to the difference of 9 -- and then in this case there is already a 1 and 6 in the cage (from the 1-8 and 3-6 pairs), so the missing two digits must be either from the 2-7 or 4-5 pairs. Therefore he deduces that both the digits of 8 and 3 MUST be in the cage! :)
Red markings seem to be clues that are the opposite, red circles don't contain an odd digit, red lines must be within 5. But they are unneeded for the puzzle.
To everyone complaining about the red markings not being explained in the rules, isnt the point that youre supposed to realise that they're red herrings, in keeping with the fish theme?
I think Mark jump's to a conclusion at 14:41 when he assumes the shape of the 45 killer cage that he colours in yellow. It must be in R9 C2 and R9 C3 certainly. but isn't it possible to extend it up one cell to either R8 C2 or R8 C3 and have the corresponding digit in R9 C9 say?
It's not a problem with the puzzle, just an error in the rules description. The line that says "red markings can be ignored" is missing. It should probably also say "grey circles".
23:31, took a bit to remember the anti-king rule, and to remember that the cage at the top had a total I had to add up to, and I reread the rules to make sure the red "clues" didn't mean anything.
Published 30 seconds ago… never been this early Edit: Just finished with 19:37 quite enjoyed the fish in the fog. I’m glad that you added to ignore the red markings, didn’t see that at first and they through me off until I re-read the rules
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What does the red line in row 8 even do? If marks solve path is identical to the intended path, then it doesn’t disambiguate anything because 89 was never an option to go with the 3
Does anyone else have an issue where the square/circle clues render in black, not gray? That seems very important about halfway through the solve. How I worked around it was not exactly pretty but: * If r5c5=8, r4c5=3. * Else, r5c5=9 reveals r4c6 to be on the green line, limited to (678) which forces r4c5=3. * Yes this technically infringes on the fog rule, but in both cases r4c5=3.
I interpreted “red markings can be ignored” as “the red color is not special”. I assumed the red was only to colorize the resolved image. Very frustrating. First puzzle in a long time I didn’t enjoy. Sorry for the harsh criticism. It’s a very well set puzzle if not for the unclear rules.
11:31 with a bit more mental rest and focus. I kept forgetting the Odd Ball (even square) rule on both solves, despite it being a visible rule in the puzzle. Still, I remembered the King's Move rule.
I got stuck when I had to put a 2 in a circle, which is against the rules. Thought the red line might be a different-colored thermometer. Had to watch the video just to find out they don't do anything. Bad design!
Unfortunately a lot of these puzzles are ripped from LMD without context. There was a note on the published page explaining what to do (or not to do) with red items.
11:42 today. i was slow. btw if you put markings into the sudoku that mean nothing, either mention it in the rules or dont put them in at all. you kinda forgot to mention the red markings in the rules at the sudoku.
10:55 for me. The rules are... misleading, to say the least. Quite a questionable decision to include those red markings. The puzzle itself is great, though.
Whales are mammals and there is no such thing as a fish clade. "Fish" is a very broad non-scientific term used to refer to a variety of swimming aquatic creatures.
29:55 for my time. I rarely have bad things to say but I was really not a fan of this puzzle: too many rules, too many markings, including useless confusing ones. The use of the fog felt very artificial to me or maybe there has been too many fog puzzles recently.
Love how the top cage fishes for your attention the entire solve but only becomes relevant at the very end.
I love that Mark puts the king up to remind him of the rule, and forgets it immediately when starting the puzzle and looking at the black dots!
This must be some sort of record for the quickest forgotten rule.
Warning about the rules: all RED MARKINGS must be ignored. This is even the case for red circles. This is not mentioned in the rules of the puzzle itself, leading to confusion.
Thanks! I kept wondering why I couldn't place the 5 in the red circle... Was the last odd number and I thought that it had to be in the circle, as the rules say. No wonder this was driving me nuts. PS - I give up! Now the knights rule is broken? :o PPS---- Oh--- Kings move! Not knights move... geez. Back to the drawing board. :/ I better learn to read the rules better. :D
The rules definitely need to call it out, because the red markings are wrogn. The red circles do not have an odd digit in them and adjacent digits on the red line do not differ by 5 or more.
@@Cassiebsg2 I do that (king vs knight) way too often
Yowsers.. Mark has difficulty with it in the video, yet still not fixed on the puzzle link.
@@maljamin In order for it to be fixed on the puzzle link itself, either the whole puzzle would have to be re-entered, or the constructor would have to have provided the file that the the puzzle is generated from. It is not possible for Mark to easily make that correction in the puzzle. (The description field under the video, and the card in the video, mention that the red markings can be ignored.)
Immediately forgets the King's move constraint. Love it. :)
I think the lines form a drunken fish, and the red markings are the eyes and mouth. :)
It really needed mention in the rules. As written, those circles should have odd digits in.
@@daniellucas5522 Guess it's a red herring.
@@eefaaf If that was intentional of the creator I'm suddenly far less mad about it.
@@daniellucas5522 It's what I thought looking at the title and the colour of the markings.
@@daniellucas5522 It's definitely intentional. The red lines aren't just for show, they are wrogn. The rules don't mention it but the red circles do not have odd digits and adjacent digits on the red line do not differ by 5 or more.
I just immediately assumed that the red markings were RED HERRINGS to go with the fish theme
Another way to see the 2:4:8 break in is that if the middle digit was a 2, the black dot sequence would be 1:2:4, and the digit below it on the thermo would see 1,2,3,4 and 5, making the thermo impossible to fill
That was my way in, too.
ditto
Mark: “I will put this big king in front of my nose to remind me of the king’s move rule.”
Also Mark: IMMEDIATELY forgets the king’s move rule :)
This is about how far I can relate, after that he lost me 😂
1 minute to forget Kingy McKingface ♚!
Interesting how Mark spotted that putting an 8 on the end of the thermo was impossible _because it put a 1-2-4 sequence on the dots and made r6c7 impossible_ but didn't realise it was actually the 1-2-4 sequence that made it impossible and so left those there even after making the thermo tip a 9.
Besides the red markings, there is also the placement of the cage totals. If that is important for the solve, it's usually spelled out more precisely what top left means.
Finished in 11:37 (conflict checker on), and it's a good thing I read the rules in the video description before the puzzleside rules. Ignore red markings is pretty important. Fun puzzle, fog that reveals longer and longer elements is always a fun time.
Wow! I got the 9 in box 8 a lot faster than Mark did but I spent 20 minutes looking for the next move and couldn’t find it. Came back to the video looking for a hint and IT WAS THE EXACT SAME DEDUCTION!!! I feel so dumb.
Construction of this was not shoddy.
Why that grid was as hot as a toddy.
For an hour or two
I was stuck here like glue.
And now I must run and go potty!
On my screen, "grey" squares and circles are all full black. But they are grey in the video. Very bizarre.
It was the same for me, and I was stuck for a long time before I was just ignoring the black square.
25 minutes. For me, red markings werent a problem, it says in the rules to ignore them. Gray square/circle was though. They were more black than gray so I was unsure if they too were a decoration
1:08:48@#1521. That took longer than I had hoped. I had to really sweat a lot of the deductions. I got the first digit, then almost gave up. It took a while to figure out how the kropki interacted with the thermo. The midgame was a start-and-stop, and a flurry of activity at the end got it done. No screw-ups for once, though.
I was waiting anxiously for the fog to contain extra instructions for the red line and circles, only to realise by the end those were just cosmetic. :D
I finished in 25:19 minutes. That was a little tricky, until I remembered the King's move ruleset. There was some fun geometry in this one. I think my favorite part was seeing that r3c1 and r4c3 always had to be a 3 and 8, respectively. It was really cool how that worked out. This was a nice approachable sudoku. Great Puzzle!
I liked the puzzle! especcially when the King's move rule helped a ton in the first digit. :P Took me nealry an hour, but it was worth it.
Thank you guys for puzzle and video!
The red markings are just the eyes and the mouth of the drunken fish.
This king will remind me... (dives in and IMMEDIATELY forgets kings rule). Kingy should be at least 4ft tall, IMO!
As I noticed several times before, drawings *often* make the puzzle less interesting and enjoyable, by forcing too much information into the grid and making the logic path less elegant (with notable exceptions, of course, e.g. when weakly constrained or shorter lines are used). For instance, in this case, the *9* cell thermometer was too powerful in my opinion.
I don’t think you needed the 89 cell to prove that a 124 sequence brakes the thermo. You already said a 2 in the center of the sequence for any reason had to be surrounded by a 14 pair which breaks the thermo.
00:31:41 - nice puzzle! 😊
That 2 and 6 in red circles? What's up with that?
Ignore red markings.
@@kasiadymara read the rules from the site where the sudoku is, not the description here. Those rules don't say to ignore red markings.
@@werefrogofassyria6609 The rules shown in the video are usually the best arbiter. And odd/even cells are generally marked with a filled grey circle or square.
Absolutely wonderful puzzle.
Yeah.... Drunken fish forgetting the rules... I'm glad I wasn't the only one tripped up...
"Cells with a circle contain an odd digit" well that was a freaking lie.
Ignore the RED circles.
would be nice if the puzzle rules mentioned that not just the video
The puzzle rules dont say to ignore the red markings. Please remove them or add it in the rules cause it makes the puzzle unresolvable
@@sirenier It's fairly common for the puzzle to either have no instructions (mostly older puzzles) or missing some rules, sure they should try to do better but it happens pretty often. I always try to double check, especially when you run into an issue, which you do fairly quickly in this puzzle if you think of red marks as circles.
@@ludrikvaillancourt5533 The rules definitely need to say that the red clues are wrogn. The red circles do not have odd digits and adjacent digits on the red line do not differ by 5 or more.
Heads up that there's a square that you discover early on, which is supposed to be grey and therefore must contain an even digit--it displayed as black for me, and I don't generally watch the videos before I solve, so I was real confused!
Same here, both square and circle are black on Firefox
I'm on iOS Safari and had the same error.
Finished in 28:24. Great puzzle!
I missed an option initially on the kropki dots and thought the puzzle was broken, which threw me off a bit for the rest of the solve, but still managed to finish in 14:33 (conflict checker off). Many thanks to Russian Singer for a very wonderful fog puzzle!
Thought it was pretty obvious.
The Thermo and Whisper line make up the outline of the drunken fish and the red circles and line are its Eyes and mouth.
Those red marks threw me off too! Great puzzle, though.
21:52 I don’t get this clue of mark saying “this box must contain two digits adding up to 9. And it’s not 6 and 3 or 1 and 8. So it mush be 2 and 7.” I don’t get why the cage needs two digits. It needs 4 digits adding up to remaining of 20 right. Could somebody explain?
I had same question... but I'm beginning to get it now - since in a cage digits can't repeat, and a nine-cell cage would total 45, and this seven-cell cage only totals 36, the two "missing digits" must add up to the difference of 9 -- and then in this case there is already a 1 and 6 in the cage (from the 1-8 and 3-6 pairs), so the missing two digits must be either from the 2-7 or 4-5 pairs. Therefore he deduces that both the digits of 8 and 3 MUST be in the cage! :)
Why were the red markings included? It is a drunken fish🤣🤣🤣
the face of the fish.
The circle and line are red because the drunken fish is a 'red herring' :)
Red markings seem to be clues that are the opposite, red circles don't contain an odd digit, red lines must be within 5. But they are unneeded for the puzzle.
The red marks really screwed me up. One broke immediately and I restarted.
To everyone complaining about the red markings not being explained in the rules, isnt the point that youre supposed to realise that they're red herrings, in keeping with the fish theme?
I think Mark jump's to a conclusion at 14:41 when he assumes the shape of the 45 killer cage that he colours in yellow. It must be in R9 C2 and R9 C3 certainly. but isn't it possible to extend it up one cell to either R8 C2 or R8 C3 and have the corresponding digit in R9 C9 say?
Oh my bad. I just realised the "total in the leftmost cell in the top row" invalidates this theory.
27:01. Slow down points. Initial break-in with the 5s. Took a while to consider. Then the final disambiguation with forgetting to consider 36 cage
I managed to forget the king's move constraint immediately and was going to have a lot of trouble starting. I'm glad Mark made the same mistake I did.
Nice puzzle, but poor form with the red circles/lines. Instructions should have specified that those lines/circles only existed for decoration
The red markings are a Dutch whisper.
Loved the puzzle!
What are the constraints of the red circles and line?
No one, just ignore it. It is for the image at the end =)
Not fair, Mark had the easy version with correct colors, we have to wonder whether black square is same as grey square 😒
You can't (effing) write that "cells with a circle contain an odd digit" and then have what happens at 19:00 . That's bad puzzle design.
To be fair, I think odd and even cells always use full grey circles or squares - not hollow red circles that look like drunken fish eyes.
It's not a problem with the puzzle, just an error in the rules description. The line that says "red markings can be ignored" is missing. It should probably also say "grey circles".
23:31, took a bit to remember the anti-king rule, and to remember that the cage at the top had a total I had to add up to, and I reread the rules to make sure the red "clues" didn't mean anything.
31:15 nice puzzle
Published 30 seconds ago… never been this early
Edit: Just finished with 19:37 quite enjoyed the fish in the fog. I’m glad that you added to ignore the red markings, didn’t see that at first and they through me off until I re-read the rules
2 minutes for me, my earliest too!
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Really bad when the puzzle breaks the rules of the puzzle....
Easy after the break in & knowing that the red stuff shouldn't be there ... done in 8:13
22:08 ... a most interesting image (complete with bloodshot eyes?)
Nice puzzle!
What does the red line in row 8 even do? If marks solve path is identical to the intended path, then it doesn’t disambiguate anything because 89 was never an option to go with the 3
Does anyone else have an issue where the square/circle clues render in black, not gray? That seems very important about halfway through the solve.
How I worked around it was not exactly pretty but:
* If r5c5=8, r4c5=3.
* Else, r5c5=9 reveals r4c6 to be on the green line, limited to (678) which forces r4c5=3.
* Yes this technically infringes on the fog rule, but in both cases r4c5=3.
Horizontal roping in the bottom three rows.
I interpreted “red markings can be ignored” as “the red color is not special”.
I assumed the red was only to colorize the resolved image.
Very frustrating. First puzzle in a long time I didn’t enjoy.
Sorry for the harsh criticism. It’s a very well set puzzle if not for the unclear rules.
23:44 for me. I'm feeling a bit fried before starting, actually. Could've done better.
11:31 with a bit more mental rest and focus. I kept forgetting the Odd Ball (even square) rule on both solves, despite it being a visible rule in the puzzle. Still, I remembered the King's Move rule.
Cells with a circle contain an odd digit... or do they? Hey, Vsauce, red circle here
I got stuck when I had to put a 2 in a circle, which is against the rules. Thought the red line might be a different-colored thermometer. Had to watch the video just to find out they don't do anything. Bad design!
Unfortunately a lot of these puzzles are ripped from LMD without context. There was a note on the published page explaining what to do (or not to do) with red items.
@@Tahgtahv The funny thing about that is they weren't needed at all, they might as well not be there.
Very nice puzzle! Flowed along smoothly, with clues emerging steadily once I realised how to find the break-in. Solved in 31m.
That was fun, the eyes and mouth added some doubt and uncertainty, a new and interesting variant, or perhaps a test of character.
Lol, the drunken fish's face definitely revealed whether someone has some fun in their souls based on these comments
11:42 today. i was slow. btw if you put markings into the sudoku that mean nothing, either mention it in the rules or dont put them in at all. you kinda forgot to mention the red markings in the rules at the sudoku.
33:58 - Very nice
40.33 for me. Got stuck? Read the rules. Just read the rules. And ... read the rules.
30:33 for me and solver #2316.
10:55 for me. The rules are... misleading, to say the least. Quite a questionable decision to include those red markings. The puzzle itself is great, though.
Loved this one, 24:02 for me
Drunken Fish, Mark. The red markings are the face of the drunken fish.
There shouldn't be additional unexplained colors/shapes in the cells. I thought the red circle qualified as a circle and it was WROGN!
Whales are in the fish clade and are therefore fishes.
Whales are mammals and there is no such thing as a fish clade. "Fish" is a very broad non-scientific term used to refer to a variety of swimming aquatic creatures.
Humans and whales have a more recent common ancestor than whales will have with your typical fish.
124 leaves r6c7 with no fill.
35:12 pretty fun
18:22 for me.
About 30 some minutes for me.
00:43:51
Solved this one in 16 mins 53 secs
Red markings MUST be ignored. Not SHOULD be ignored!!!! Arghhhh
Red could mean liar circles/renbans, although of course not necessary for the solve.
6th of February or June 2nd? Lol j/k
29:55 for my time. I rarely have bad things to say but I was really not a fan of this puzzle: too many rules, too many markings, including useless confusing ones. The use of the fog felt very artificial to me or maybe there has been too many fog puzzles recently.
27:07 for me