LGBT teaching row: MPs call for more support in schools - BBC Newsnight
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Almost 70 MPs have written to the UK's education secretary urging him to do more to support schools on teaching about same-sex relationships.
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The move follows a row at a school in Birmingham, where a parent-led protest against such teaching forced the school to close early.
Newsnight's Elizabeth Glinka reports and Emily Maitlis is joined by the letter's author, Labour MP Emma Hardy, a former teacher.
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If it were ANY other religion protesting the BBC would have used 'homophobic about 75 times in this video.
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Even as an LGBT person, just don't teach any s*xuality to children
U st*pid there not teach sexuality there teaching some people have two moms or dads
This 💯. People like Jess Philips and Sarah hewitt clarkson are globalists
You can't reject equality for others while demanding it for yourself
Exactly!
Equality shouldn't have to be to force your ideology down somebody else's children's throat. That's tyranny. Children should be taught not indoctrinated.
@@yizzymelon6721 Respect and tolerance is being taught. It is not a guide on how to become gay or trans.
Islam does all over the world. It's a supremacist organisation that has murdered and silenced anyone who has disagreed over 1,400 years. Why would it change now? Just look to Muslim countries and see the diversity and tolerance.
@@Rationality4Life The state led normalisation of such behaviour is nothing less than indoctrination! If they taught children that the are people out there who believe in a set of values contrary to the communitys no one would have an issue. However when u force a community to teach it's children that the behaviour is acceptable and that any contrary opinion is just ignorant that is when Government is crossing a line. - Please don't think I am saying this because I am homophobic, I solely interested in alleviation of government control in all aspects of education. That includes religious education.
Muslims are saving this country from going to hell. Keep up the fight. 💯👊
How exactly?
By promoting hate and discrimination? Lmfao. If only the island could sink into the ocean. We'd have more peace.
@@passionunlimited the island already sinking with thinking like yours. 🙄
@@passionunlimited no hate or discrimination, its an issue with how lessons are being taught, and yes it is an issue otherwise people wouldn't oppose it why do kids need to learn this when 10 years ago this wasnt taught at all and that generation is the one accepting lgbt equality
@@passionunlimited Hate is a very strong word that is overused a lot lately.
When politicians think they know better than God.
Do u have proof your god exists and your religios book is what the god actually believes in
There is no proof of God and there is infinite proof that the organized religions today are false as they are full of scientific mistakes, contradiction and psychologically harmful and misogynistic beliefs.
@@Rationality4Life ok science kid. We get it. U dont believe in God. 🤓
@@acgraphics1139 🤓
While people like roger godsiff is much respected
I would have thought calling teachers 'paedophiles ' would be a hate crime and the religious cleric should be questioned .
Wonder why this will probably not happen.
Leave our kids to be kids!
Children have a right to be children. Stop trying to ruin their minds, let them grow on their own.
What about gay kids?
@@kevburke let them be gay. Let them work it out for themselves. I'm saying these ideas shouldn't be forced onto them. Let them grow up naturally they can decide what they want to be.
@@ZeddtheBarbarian I think making them aware that being gay is perfectly OK whilst also encouraging the non gay children to accept them is far better than 'leaving them to work it out on their own'?
There's a gut wrenching level of self harm and suicide among LGBT adolescents and leaving them to feel isolated and confused only exacerbates that.
@@kevburke I agree.
@Happy Hiker I have absolutely no response to that, because I have no idea what you're talking about? The parents are pushing their kids to be gay?
Sad. . Why you have to teach nursery children about homosexual acts? ???
i agree with their parents. Leave the kids alone below 5 years old! not the time for labelling people!
They are not teaching them about homosexuality as such, just telling them stories which happen to have gay families. They are normalising families.
@@dushyant_goel - again, its not the time. they are too young to know the labels as different types of families!
@@muhsin001 Its the right time to explore different family types.
@@olavsantiago "time to explore below 5 years" - err no. next they will try to "explore" incest soon !
@@muhsin001 incest is for people from the hill billies who make moonshine. Exploring different families for children whatever their age is good for society.
For the first time ever in my life, I agree with a Labour party member
Okay, don’t get crazy.
Same lol. ( from an lgbt+ member)
Roger godsiff
Here's the solution - parents are given letters in advance and have a form to sign - the parents who do not want their children to be taught this can hand the form into the school, and the offspring of the parents can be taken to another class room to learn about something else.
This is a win win situation - you can't force other cultures to abandon their ancestral beliefs to appease another community - if you have no problem with your child learning about this, you are free to have these lessons with your kids - but ultimately the parents have the final say over their children, not the state owned education.
Yes it is homophobic.
And islamophobic
Homophobic is someone who doesn't celebrate same-sex relations ... just like anyone who does not support Israel unconditionally is called anti-semite .. a potent weapon to silence people ...
It's homophobic? Good. So? Since when it is illegal to feel repulsion for homosexuals? Since when is illegal to say wrong is wrong? Homosexual subversive propaganda.
Leonard Gheorghe How is it wrong if homosexuality is legal in every 1st world country? If you look at a map primitive countries are the most hateful and use religion as a basis of the law and what does that leave them with? Poverty and civil war. Stop trying to transform progressive countries back to a primitive state.
Good and proud
Religion, there's your problem.
@Los Lobos 1 What group of people are against the teaching that being different is ok?
In this instance is Muslims, ask them why and they say God said so.
The MP backing them is doing so because? Because he is a Christian and God.
What is happening is the religious are complaining they are being stopped from persecuting people.
@Los Lobos 1 Teaching that gay people exist in society isn't harming anyone.
@Los Lobos 1 You are entitled to your own thoughts. But keep them to yourself. Telling others they are abnormal is wrong.
The issue is that religion eg the fantasy that there is a god is damaging to the believer and others.
If you hate the way the UK wants to be inclusive and respect others even if they have different views, there are other countries that will match your hatred levels. The border is that way >
I oppose the blatant promotion of homosexuality and transgenderism is culture, schools and media. I'm and atheist and always have been. I only oppose it because now you can't just tolerate it you now have to promote it. I just want to be left alone but I see it on police cars, in adverts, in schools, in movies and politics.
They don't help themselves either with pride parades which look like a big orgy of alcohol, drugs and degeneracy.
@@kerrell95 What harm are they actually causing you?
Religion has done so much in the evolution in humanity
Government stay out of our families
I am French and how many times have I read and heard from Bristish people that our super-secular system was like racist, xenophob and islamophobic. Well when I see now what happens in Brimingham as well as in Telford I say good bye and good luck to my British friends...
@@emissary_of_aldebaran Can you elaborate?
I'm Italian. Both the Uk and France are fucked up. Two stupid nations with no balls. Luton is the biggest shithole I have ever seen.
@@peps7274 what do u mean?
MP's need to grow a backbone and deal with the problems that they cause
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@@Eire32 1% looks too much actually
Hi Brits, American here, and as an American I'm very familiar when people try to use religion to justify their hatred and homophobia. That is what this is.
Muslims aren't afraid of anyone except Allah my friend. They will strive for what is right for them and their generations
And these are the "moderates"
My Muslim friend came to pride with me...
I'm gay 110% no religion but LGBT classes for those under 10 years old no something is not right
What about gay Muslims?
Well most of them are closeted and get forcefully married. They live in oppression and fear.
@@Rationality4Life Is that a guess or a guess? Or maybe it is a guess! IDIOT
You can’t be a gay Muslim. If you decide you are gay you are no longer a Muslim
u cant identify as a gay muslim its contradictory
Sure let them teach lgbt but then let catholics teach about religion because equality
Teaching equality is fine but the problem is when birmingham school are trying to teach the kids what it says in the quran and interpreting it the way they want- the kids are in secular school, not in Islamic schools so the school shouldn’t be trying to interpret the quran and teach the kids
Religion is such a problem in our society; I honestly don't understand the appeal
It is the lack of religion the problem and the substitution of it with homosexuality
@@lsd8497 lol let's hope you're trolling cos that comment blows my mind; would i rather have fun sex or believe in fairytale stories, hmmm tricky one xD
@@MostlyLoveOfMusic You are free to believe in anything you wish. But it's illogical to assume that (probably hundreds of million) educated believers are stupid. Or maybe they know something you don't. Maybe they wanted to find out in order to make an educated choice. You be the judge.
@@lsd8497 yeah i think that's extremely unlikely
No, it’s the extremists which cause problems.
What is happening this year? No news re these subjects.
I would be concerned if my 4 year old child was being taught homosexuality instead of learning numbers and alphabet. This is a disgrace to say this is only offensive to Muslims whilst toddlers are being brainwashed at a very young age.
The synod is being hypnotised by activists pushing same sex marriage, which goes against the bible
The problem isn't with LGBTQ community. It's all about the age at which these lessons are being delivered. At an age of 3,4 and5 etc. In our schools and colleges in India sex education is provided at 10th standards. That age is a mature age to teach about sex and it's impacts. But at an early teenage teaching such lessons is going to have an obvious negative impact on young children's lives. I respect everybody's sexual orientation but I would never allow people to teach my children about sex at an age of 4.
That's the thing I see most people complain about. The thing is that these lessons absolutely won't teach about sex at all. It will teach that LGBT people and families exist in society through stories. That's it. Nothing perverted.
@@Rationality4Life But let me know if so teach your children that once upon a time there used to be a prince who fell in love with another prince. Do you want to say that there used to be gay people or you want to tell them that there is no problem in falling in love with the people of same sex? Our children are taught about evolution as well but not at an age of four. They are taught about evolution at an appropriate age so that young students can apply their mind and think about that. I don't have any problem with the lesson I've problem with the age at which it's being taught. They can introduce these lessons at 9th or 10th standards. So that the students would have a chance to make a decision about the matter properly.
@@BEDROMAANSAR That's not going to change the kids sexuality though. But I agree with you on the age aspect somewhat. I say age 6 is appropriate. They have modified the lessons in some schools in England now so I'm guessing they might probably be taught at a later age like 5 or 6 now.
@yourmanwatson Let me ask you why there's a need to introduce a gay character? Why can't they use a male or female characters simply?
@@BEDROMAANSAR why not have a gay character, with historical literary evidence indicates that homosexuality has been prevalent across the Indian subcontinent throughout history, and that homosexuals were not necessarily considered inferior in any way until about 18th century during British colonial rule. Exploring LGBT+ issues in schools from a young age is a positive as some parents do not know how to explain or embarrassed or lack understanding about that community and how they might feel. Children also want to know where babies come from and like the LGBT+ book the text is age appropriate explanation.
‘An immovable Parliament is more obnoxious than an immovable monarch.” -Oliver Cromwell
Muslims already in the U.S need to join with us and start doing this.
“Petitions to end the ‘equality teaching’...” They treat us like we’re stupid. As if people are protesting against ‘equality teaching’, like “we don’t want equality!”
even worse is to teach it to our children.
Why at 4 ? What if my child makes a decision not wanting to go to these lessons im sure they have right to opt out if they are old enough to understand you cant force some one to do something that they don't want
Well just home school them then. If a child doesn't want to attend biology classes on evolution and doesn't want to answer questions about evolution in tests or do homework or projects related to it, we should let them? Religious stupidity has gotten human evolution lessons banned in Pakistan you know.
Maybe the general population should be taught about how homosexuality is natural and common in the animal kingdom. It occurs in ever mammal and and also other animals like insects,birds,etc
@@Rationality4Life We are not insects or birds. We are human.
@@a81758 No, but we are fundamentally animals who are result of a complex branching process of evolution that happened over tens of millions of years based on countless fossil records and genetic analysis. Same sex behavior is abundantly common in our closest genetic primate the bonobos. Kids should be taught to think logically based on rational scientific facts instead of false, unscientific, oppressive, baseless religious claims and stories.
@@Rationality4Life Children should be taught to think for themselves. So what if, for arguments sake, they chose not to believe in evolution? What would you do?
The Muslim parents are saying they’re being discriminated against when they’re doing the exact same thing to the LGBT 🏳️🌈 community
Deport them
no there not, why do u think its so important for kids to learn this, no kids bully at that age due to discrimination to lgbt families why not teach it to older kids who will understand and why not try to find a common ground with the parents?
@@Slave-of-the-most-merciful no it’s about teaching children that it’s normal to be different and at young age it’s very easy to pick up homophobic, xenophobic and racist views from adults at home it’s about having a safer environment for everyone involved trust me I know. You can’t complain that it infringes on your religious rights while at the same time pursuing a narrative that its “NOT NORMAL” and “Goes against your beliefs”. It’s about teaching children tolerance as I’m sure that’s what the Muslim community wants for themselves. We live in a democratic society and you have to abide by the laws teachings and values of the land and if that isn’t for you go somewhere else it’s that simple.
@@mrjakeg9971 it isn’t normal and it does go against religious views, and still gender is meaningless at that age teach it at older years when it can’t indoctrinate children
If homosexual are vulnerable to self harm so r Muslims in modern Britain, then teach Islam to all ppl
We have more respect for Franklin Graham than the mermaids charity
She's wearing a crucifix and yet. Fake
She ain’t no Christian. Lgbt is a big sin in Christianity
Religion should have no place in this country.
Sir Amic Varze it’s what’s missing from this country. Modern Britain! The problems in society are related to weak religiosity. The problem arises when barely literate people ONLY know their holy book and not a physics, biology, sociology, ethics, psychology, theology, etc....book. If not religion, then ethics needs to be something that folk are on board with. That with regard to tough dilemmas. My support for religion is particularly based on the ‘common sense/knowledge’ family structure assumed as the ‘ideal type’ in the West. As in two biological parents, married, living under the same roof, responsible for raising any children born of that unit. Other paradigms may ‘exist’, sure but I have no respect for or admiration of them. My problem with religion is regarding regulation. Who decides legitimacy of a religion? Eg Jedi. What about Luciferianism/Satanism??? However, I see aspects of religion like protection of the unborn as very important. Even without theology, I still recognise abortion as inherently ‘evil’. Or at least selfish and irresponsible.
Morality should, all societies in all of time.have made laws in turns of reproduction and public and private decorum.
Sir Amic, religion is here to stay, if you don't like it, take your intolerance with you and leave the country.
So if it makes me puke the very idea of man touching another man it is because I believe and respect God!?
Only Christianity has a place here. It's Europe.
I wonder when will you LGBT going to produce your own natural born baby ?
That's not how it works?
They don’t, they adopt the children abandoned by heterosexual people
i am heterosexual i love my children i don't abandon my children
Umar JJ Johan did I say every straight person did, no. But it’s not the gays who are filling children’s homes with kids is it.
Bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual etc.
watch them ask for rights because they’re muslim but when it comes to lgbtq rights : no
Lol no, those Muslims don't force their Islamic values to be taught at school for everyone, unlike the alphabet community. False comparison.
@@angcil88 facts, let kids be kids if u want them to learn about lgbt let them do it later in life this is irrelevant to them rn
They are very violent in there “peaceful protests” Islam is disgusting.
I don’t see any violence just people protesting peacefully
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It's always nice to see Ringo up and about, but shouldn't he be working on his next album?
Welcome to post Brexit Britain. GooD buy Polish and Spanish workers.
Polish?
What that has to do with Europeans? It's about Muslim migrants.
I thought I was going to vote labour
Jesus Christ came out as a gay in 2018
sure he did 🙄