Additional tip- if you're going this deep on upgrades you might as well repaste the northbridge chip (Did it on my 2008 idk if 2009's have one) and also replace the PRAM battery.
Just found one about an hour drive away with 16gb of ram, one 256gb SSD, and two 1tb data drives for $200!! Trying to secure the deal as I'm typing this!
I had bought a 2009 Mac Pro 6 core Xeon processor with a 32 GB DDR3. Ram today from Ebay & was looking for some video to see how i could update it in 2021, glad i came across this video. Thank you for all the detailed information ℹ️
I did the firmware update (4,1 to 5,1) and the funny thing is that the latency in Pro Tools 11.3.7 went down considerably. I can now easily set the latency to 64 samples or even 32 samples in a large session instead of 512 at 48 KHz. 256 samples at 48 Khz usually works for a guitarist or drummer to record at but higher than that it's almost impossible. At the moment I use eleven-rack as the audio interface (USB 2). My Digi 003 rack+ has stopped working (fire wire 400) but I will fix it soon. Then I upgraded the dual quad core processors at 2.26 GHz to dual six core at 3.33 GHz. I'm surprised that the firmware did such a huge difference. I still use Yosemite because PT 11 could have issues with El Capitan or higher. I'm also keeping the ATI 4870. It's a DAW.
Great video! Please be careful next time when replacing the CPU in the socket, that accidental drop could have bent or broke some pins off. I have seen it happen to a friend and it was a pain to fix it let alone replace it....Keep up the videos though, have been enjoying them.
Yup, those LGA pins can be your worst nightmare. I screwed up my MP 2,1 logic board somehow as the pins became bent. Paying close attention to the correct direction and laying it in the socket very gently is key.
I have one 2009 Mac Pro & one 2010 Mac Pro!! It's very nice apple workstation. I install MacOS ventura 13.4 sucessfully on my 2010 Mac Pro by using OCLP
I have the single core 2009 4,1. Upgraded to 5,1 installed a 6 core Xeon 3.33 ghz x5690, currently running 16gb ram but would like to upgrade that. Also put in a Gigabyte Aorus RX 580 4gb. Just installed OpenCore and have the boot screen without having to flash the GPU. Also installed is 18 tb of drives, and a m.2 NVME PCIE in slot 2 x16. Just upgraded to Catalina and everything works perfectly. Have not had a single issue. I mainly use this machine as a time machine backup and a Plex server. Eventually id like to get the dual cpu tray but having a difficult finding one for the right price. All these upgrades were very easy and I say that as a person that does not know a lot about terminal code.
I know this is old but do you have any idea where, now, that firmware update tool could be downloaded? The site you using in the video is now some sort of casino "thing"...or something....it's all in a foreign language. The domain obviously has changed owners. UPDATE: I finally found it, elsewhere.
Good video with help for many. A few points of correction. A CPU upgrade is not needed for High Sierra or Mojave but rather a metal capable GPU (for Mojave). Flashing to 5,1 is needed to support faster CPU and 1333 MHz RAM, but not 1600 MHz RAM. CPU upgrades for a 2009 should be delidded (plug and play) or you need to add heat sink washers. Delid is better as you’ll improve heat transfer.
just a note..the single cpu boards do Not use delidded cpu.... its the dual socket versions , that are 2009, that require delidded cpus or all kinds of issues can happen, though it IS possible to skip the delidding as long as the Correct washers are used... 2010 dual cpu models used lidded cpus and dont require any mods
I took out i5 2400s from dead iMac 2011. The socket is 1155. I believe it should work is standard pc motherboard. I just want to double check if it is possible to put inside the pc.
I am sorry, do you know what this code may mean by any chance? 4sns/1/400000000: tn0d- 127.739 The mac at some point started to freeze then restart. :(
Thank you! Really awesome detailed video. I'm also planning on doing this. I heard if you don't delidd the CPU that the fans go crazy. Was that the case or do you know anything about that problem?
Gotta love these machines, so under rated. They run Mojave amazing! Love OpenCore on them too. Will be tearing ours down to get a guide set up for it! Great video thanks! To add to it though I really would use a dual 6 pin to 8 pin even on the 480 the logic board can only run 75w trough each port and 75w from the PCIe slot. Really best to run the dual so you do not run the risk of trying to pull too much power through the Logic Board running the risk of blowing out a capacitor or something on the board. Good choice on the X5675 lower power less cost and on par with the X5680's or X5690's
I agree that it can be problematic to draw too much power, I walk that fine line... haha. Haven't been bitten yet (cross my fingers). I did quite a bit of testing on the 480 after their launch as well. They average around ~90-130 when doing intensive workloads depending on the bios they have installed. Just don't use one that is a launch card without any driver updates.. they can pull 90w from PCIe slot alone and only draw 20-30 from the plug.
Peace & love brother . I have the same mac and I'm trying to do the same upgrades could you drop some links where I can get those same products ? Ram, grfx card , cpu . Thanks chief
riddle me this I’m trying to upgrade my 2009(early)Mac Pro 4,1 to a 5,1. I did the EFI update and the firmware update when I restart it goes into a short flash mode and crashes then restarts back into El Capitan’s
You rock dude! I am nervous about this for unknown reasons, but I found a great looking dual cpu 2009 upgraded to 5,1 for just under 400 and free shipping.. will this really smoke my 2015 MacBook Pro after upgrading it?
tell me which adapter to buy to make RIDE 0 out of four 970EVO for Mac Pro 2009, flashed to 5.1. Mac os Mojave. I will always load OS from another Disk
To whom who thinks this is an easy walk in the park just remember that those machines are old and their components are brittle and have gone through hot and cold for years.This being said removing the heat sink might seems easy except that the nuts are affixed to the board and are prone to come off ( happened to me)...once off it will not secure the processing unit and the computer will not boot.Know what your are getting into.
I have a 2009 mac pro flashed to 5,1 running high sierra. when I installed the sapphire rx580 with the right cord, my screen is black but the system is running. How do i proceed? Any help is nice.
Buy another mobo that has not been upgraded which is not necessarily rare but you'll have some homework. The fw updates were included in the OS updates as a package so most people who upgraded their OS upgraded the fw as well.
Hi Luka, it is possible to get to Catalina on these older Macs, you will need to search Google for 'dosdude catalina patcher' and use it to download and modify a Catalina installer to get it running on your machine. I did this process for installing High Sierra on my older 2007 imac, so some of the instructions are in that video! Overall, I like Mojave more still... so I would personally hold off on updating until Catalina brings something to the table other than "Removing 32bit support."
ran monterey on the 2009 mac pro, even with the gt120 default nvidia card..work flawless.. used opencore legacy patcher... probably even run Ventura if u wanted
Additional tip- if you're going this deep on upgrades you might as well repaste the northbridge chip (Did it on my 2008 idk if 2009's have one) and also replace the PRAM battery.
Just found one about an hour drive away with 16gb of ram, one 256gb SSD, and two 1tb data drives for $200!! Trying to secure the deal as I'm typing this!
I had bought a 2009 Mac Pro 6 core Xeon processor with a 32 GB DDR3. Ram today from Ebay & was looking for some video to see how i could update it in 2021, glad i came across this video. Thank you for all the detailed information ℹ️
I did the firmware update (4,1 to 5,1) and the funny thing is that the latency in Pro Tools 11.3.7 went down considerably. I can now easily set the latency to 64 samples or even 32 samples in a large session instead of 512 at 48 KHz. 256 samples at 48 Khz usually works for a guitarist or drummer to record at but higher than that it's almost impossible. At the moment I use eleven-rack as the audio interface (USB 2). My Digi 003 rack+ has stopped working (fire wire 400) but I will fix it soon. Then I upgraded the dual quad core processors at 2.26 GHz to dual six core at 3.33 GHz. I'm surprised that the firmware did such a huge difference. I still use Yosemite because PT 11 could have issues with El Capitan or higher. I'm also keeping the ATI 4870. It's a DAW.
Great video! Please be careful next time when replacing the CPU in the socket, that accidental drop could have bent or broke some pins off. I have seen it happen to a friend and it was a pain to fix it let alone replace it....Keep up the videos though, have been enjoying them.
I got lucky, in this case the Xeon chips are all LGA - which means the pins are on the motherboard rather than on the CPU!
@@messing-with-computers That's true. Those motherboards are quite expensive if the pins broke off...
Yup, those LGA pins can be your worst nightmare. I screwed up my MP 2,1 logic board somehow as the pins became bent. Paying close attention to the correct direction and laying it in the socket very gently is key.
If you're on Yosemite do the firmware update before updating to a later MacOS. Yosemite doesn't have SIP but El Capitan does. You will skip a hassle.
Nice hack, love it!
Great videos, man. Love your stuff. Hacking these older macs is so much fun.
Agree! I need to find an Old 2011 MacBook Pro 15 to mess with. Those have a ton of cheap fix potential.
use 3x16gb, it will perform better with just 3 slots used
I have one 2009 Mac Pro & one 2010 Mac Pro!! It's very nice apple workstation.
I install MacOS ventura 13.4 sucessfully on my 2010 Mac Pro by using OCLP
The best Macintosh ever! Great video. Thanks 😊
Love these machines. Still rocking in 2020!
I have the single core 2009 4,1. Upgraded to 5,1 installed a 6 core Xeon 3.33 ghz x5690, currently running 16gb ram but would like to upgrade that. Also put in a Gigabyte Aorus RX 580 4gb. Just installed OpenCore and have the boot screen without having to flash the GPU. Also installed is 18 tb of drives, and a m.2 NVME PCIE in slot 2 x16. Just upgraded to Catalina and everything works perfectly. Have not had a single issue. I mainly use this machine as a time machine backup and a Plex server. Eventually id like to get the dual cpu tray but having a difficult finding one for the right price. All these upgrades were very easy and I say that as a person that does not know a lot about terminal code.
I know this is old but do you have any idea where, now, that firmware update tool could be downloaded? The site you using in the video is now some sort of casino "thing"...or something....it's all in a foreign language. The domain obviously has changed owners. UPDATE: I finally found it, elsewhere.
I'm pretty happy with my 3,1 .. still pimped it
Good video with help for many. A few points of correction. A CPU upgrade is not needed for High Sierra or Mojave but rather a metal capable GPU (for Mojave). Flashing to 5,1 is needed to support faster CPU and 1333 MHz RAM, but not 1600 MHz RAM. CPU upgrades for a 2009 should be delidded (plug and play) or you need to add heat sink washers. Delid is better as you’ll improve heat transfer.
just a note..the single cpu boards do Not use delidded cpu.... its the dual socket versions , that are 2009, that require delidded cpus or all kinds of issues can happen, though it IS possible to skip the delidding as long as the Correct washers are used... 2010 dual cpu models used lidded cpus and dont require any mods
I took out i5 2400s from dead iMac 2011. The socket is 1155. I believe it should work is standard pc motherboard. I just want to double check if it is possible to put inside the pc.
Jan - you can absolutely use that CPU in a different PC or Mac!
The only major pain is the SATA2 connectors, which is why you put the PCI-E drive bay.
Great video! Always very interesting!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I am sorry, do you know what this code may mean by any chance? 4sns/1/400000000: tn0d- 127.739 The mac at some point started to freeze then restart. :(
This is a really good Video, Sir. Thank you
Thank you! Really awesome detailed video. I'm also planning on doing this. I heard if you don't delidd the CPU that the fans go crazy. Was that the case or do you know anything about that problem?
Gotta love these machines, so under rated. They run Mojave amazing! Love OpenCore on them too. Will be tearing ours down to get a guide set up for it! Great video thanks! To add to it though I really would use a dual 6 pin to 8 pin even on the 480 the logic board can only run 75w trough each port and 75w from the PCIe slot. Really best to run the dual so you do not run the risk of trying to pull too much power through the Logic Board running the risk of blowing out a capacitor or something on the board. Good choice on the X5675 lower power less cost and on par with the X5680's or X5690's
I agree that it can be problematic to draw too much power, I walk that fine line... haha. Haven't been bitten yet (cross my fingers). I did quite a bit of testing on the 480 after their launch as well. They average around ~90-130 when doing intensive workloads depending on the bios they have installed. Just don't use one that is a launch card without any driver updates.. they can pull 90w from PCIe slot alone and only draw 20-30 from the plug.
no they dont mojave buggy
Peace & love brother . I have the same mac and I'm trying to do the same upgrades could you drop some links where I can get those same products ? Ram, grfx card , cpu . Thanks chief
this video is outstanding thanks man
👍 Wanting to get one and do the same. Thanks for the great vid
Any time!
riddle me this I’m trying to upgrade my 2009(early)Mac Pro 4,1 to a 5,1. I did the EFI update and the firmware update when I restart it goes into a short flash mode and crashes then restarts back into El Capitan’s
9:40 Not sure I understand what you mean, are you saying that the GPU (MSI or Sapphire) RX 470 gives duble the performance compared to the RX 580?
You rock dude! I am nervous about this for unknown reasons, but I found a great looking dual cpu 2009 upgraded to 5,1 for just under 400 and free shipping.. will this really smoke my 2015 MacBook Pro after upgrading it?
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
How can I downgrade to original 2009 G5 Power Mac 4,1 original from a 5,1 firmware upgrade?
I have 12 cores mid 2012 Mac Pro,I did change the CPU for 2X5690 and the tool I used was 3MM not 8MM hex wrench,are you sure 8MM ?
I'm sure he just misspoke, as it's any long hex of 150mm by 3mm, definitely not 6mm.
tell me which adapter to buy to make RIDE 0 out of four 970EVO for Mac Pro 2009, flashed to 5.1. Mac os Mojave. I will always load OS from another Disk
Really good video. Thanks😘
How can I change firmware back to the original 4,1? I lost some things That I need to run.
Where can I find High Sierra ?
To whom who thinks this is an easy walk in the park just remember that those machines are old and their components are brittle and have gone through hot and cold for years.This being said removing the heat sink might seems easy except that the nuts are affixed to the board and are prone to come off ( happened to me)...once off it will not secure the processing unit and the computer will not boot.Know what your are getting into.
I have xfx RX 580 works fine in my Mac Pro 2010
Them bus speed for ram on the 5.1 is 1333mhz
Can’t you put a amd rx5700?
You can! But, the price was still over ~$350-400 at the time of this video.
I have a 2009 mac pro flashed to 5,1 running high sierra. when I installed the sapphire rx580 with the right cord, my screen is black but the system is running. How do i proceed? Any help is nice.
Which sapphire card do you have?
@@messing-with-computers I figured this out. I had a one way DP cord that wasn't labeled one way. Frustrating but it works.
Fairest Lens oh man - ran into the same thing. So frustrating. Glad you fixed it!
Good video! How can I downgrade back to a 4,1 machine?
Buy another mobo that has not been upgraded which is not necessarily rare but you'll have some homework. The fw updates were included in the OS updates as a package so most people who upgraded their OS upgraded the fw as well.
I understood there is no reason for west mere cpu's to be matched, cause there are not different ;}
I bought a 4.1 that is virtually new, prob was a spare one, lucky me !
he drop the cpu when istall this cpu.
Is it possible to go to Catalina
Hi Luka, it is possible to get to Catalina on these older Macs, you will need to search Google for 'dosdude catalina patcher' and use it to download and modify a Catalina installer to get it running on your machine. I did this process for installing High Sierra on my older 2007 imac, so some of the instructions are in that video! Overall, I like Mojave more still... so I would personally hold off on updating until Catalina brings something to the table other than "Removing 32bit support."
ran monterey on the 2009 mac pro, even with the gt120 default nvidia card..work flawless.. used opencore legacy patcher... probably even run Ventura if u wanted