Awesome picking on a great lock. Very interesting to see the inside - still amazed that some shutter locks can be disassembled. Nice long key pins. Thanks for sharing.
I gave up picking this lock as I needed to get it off my chain (lost the key). Took less than 2mins to angle grind a slot to access the grub screw. Thanks for the video.
LockPickingLawyer yeah. I have one with pretty good bitting, but without that huge plate cover. Adding the extra quarter inch of depth is like adding 2 pin lengths lol.
Hi Harry, Another great shutter lock, perhaps overkill in the drill protection department. Maybe the cylinder with steel pins in number one is used in another type of lock with less external drill protection? Awkward keyway, but you got around that mental barrier! Regards, Brian.
Thanks... and I agree that the drill protection for the shear line on this lock is pretty silly. On this lock, were I inclined to drill it, my impression is that the side of the set screw securing the retainer plate seems the far easier target. As an added bonus, you could weld the hole afterwards and salvage the lock!
This is by far and away the most common shutter lock you will see in italy, 6 out 10 stores use it. It could fit a Rs3 or Astral cylinder as well. It is well made BUT ive seen many cracked open with a sledgehammer. The hardeni g process renders them impervious to manual sawing but it also makes them very brittle. Hence the sledgehammer... The viro monolith is probably a slightly more resistant lock and uses niploy anticorrosion treatment.
Hi, i see from here www.cisa.com/content/dam/cisa/documenti/Brochure-Lucchetti-CISA-gamma.pdf that cisa sells this padlock in different versions, with all 5 cylinder types but I could not find any other than the standard lim. Is it possible to change the cylinder manually by myself? Thanks :P
this is the exact lock same body the dvla use in uk to clamp untaxed cars,1 big difference is the dvla core is worse than a master and can be picked with one hand so i swapped the one i had for a cisa core years ago.
I'm a bit disappointed with mine. The bidding is 3,2,2,1,1.... I couldn't get it disassembled for rekeying. After unscrewing the set screw, the core retainer didn't come out. Cisa also, builds the lock cheaper now. The spinner actually spins now and is made from zinc plated, punched steel,
This is made me wanna redo my cisa half euro cylinder and tear it down to see the insides. Maybe ill do it the weekend. Makes for a better video i think
LockPickingLawyer not sure, yep bolt pulls other way.you can pull out the core without taking bolt out. never seen a shutter lock open that way before.
i would love if you rated it. like how easy was it to pick. it looked easy. but for a master it would be i guess. so like from. 1-novice -10 or 5 or something expert. and the meterials of the locks. and the safety of it. and so on. it would be realy nice i think.
The Cylinder model is the C3000 by CISA, it is since 1 year now, the new entry-level non-security cylinder (packing a little bit of security in the pinning) and it replaces the really famous C2000 model which is around (in Italy) since ages (the only "refurbishment" done to the C2000 was, sometimes near 10 years ago, the modification to the shape of the keyhandling part, from plain circular to near trapezoidal) Just for clarification: the correct pronunciation for CISA is like CHESA (similar to cheese but with shorter "e" and the "a" pronounced as the beginning of "umbrella") and what it is referring to is a mountain pass here in Italy called the "Cisa Pass".
If of interest then you can get the Cisa 28550/85 for €45 at store.centrobenedetti.it/prodotto/maniglie-e-serrature/cisa-2855085-lucchetto-acc-ret-top/ . The catch is you need a mail proxy, as they only ship to Italy. I had one sent to the hotel the last time I were there. A bit risky perhaps. Going to get the CISA 218 80 for £22 at some point, as they ship to anywhere =) www.cisapadlocks.com/cisa-218-80-container-padlock-109-p.asp
the 85 looks the same as the 75mm version... just scaled up. Yes? The Armored lock looks nice also. Looks like it could be made by Viro, based on a few of the design features.
Yes, it is just scaled up. Good point. I wonder if Cisa and Viro are nowadays the same company. The shutter locks with and without the double space (that many use for chain joints) are very popular in Italy, because they are used for the front door of shops. The door is always pulled from the top down and locked with a shutter lock to a hasp in the ground.
No they are not. Viro is from Bologna and is a sole propertorship company while CISA is now part of Allegion, a group of companies that develop security solutions.
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Awesome picking on a great lock. Very interesting to see the inside - still amazed that some shutter locks can be disassembled. Nice long key pins. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks... I figured this lock would be more common over there. No? It's certainly a lock that deserves some attention.
At least no common for me.
I gave up picking this lock as I needed to get it off my chain (lost the key). Took less than 2mins to angle grind a slot to access the grub screw. Thanks for the video.
Any picture? No picture, it didn't happen.
got one of these beasts comming in the mail... gathering info and your channel is always my first stop.
I love that keyway. I've got a couple of locks with it. nice and tight.
It really is a nice keyway. With more challenging bitting, this lock would be a real problem.
LockPickingLawyer yeah. I have one with pretty good bitting, but without that huge plate cover. Adding the extra quarter inch of depth is like adding 2 pin lengths lol.
Another great pick, always fun to watch. That keyway looks pretty nasty. Thanks for sharing the lock.
Thanks. The keyway really is pretty bad. I was lucky with the bitting.
Very nice and beefy shutter lock :). You were lucky on the bitting. Good work around. Thank you for sharing, was as always a pleasure to watch :).
Thanks, and agreed about the bitting. I would have needed a much deeper hook had the bitting been worse, if I could open it at all!
Hi Harry, Another great shutter lock, perhaps overkill in the drill protection department. Maybe the cylinder with steel pins in number one is used in another type of lock with less external drill protection? Awkward keyway, but you got around that mental barrier! Regards, Brian.
Thanks... and I agree that the drill protection for the shear line on this lock is pretty silly. On this lock, were I inclined to drill it, my impression is that the side of the set screw securing the retainer plate seems the far easier target. As an added bonus, you could weld the hole afterwards and salvage the lock!
This is by far and away the most common shutter lock you will see in italy, 6 out 10 stores use it. It could fit a Rs3 or Astral cylinder as well. It is well made BUT ive seen many cracked open with a sledgehammer. The hardeni g process renders them impervious to manual sawing but it also makes them very brittle. Hence the sledgehammer...
The viro monolith is probably a slightly more resistant lock and uses niploy anticorrosion treatment.
Hi, i see from here www.cisa.com/content/dam/cisa/documenti/Brochure-Lucchetti-CISA-gamma.pdf that cisa sells this padlock in different versions, with all 5 cylinder types but I could not find any other than the standard lim. Is it possible to change the cylinder manually by myself? Thanks :P
@@ilrefex91 it is.
Nice CISA, i am surprised that it doesn't take half a euro cylinder.
thanks for the show
Thanks. Do other variants of this lock take Euros?
That is a great lock!!! Hardened steel body with added steel! FANTASTIC
Great looking shutter lock. Very nice presentation too. Thumbs up.
Thanks -- I agree that it's a nice little lock. Definitely one that I would use.
Ooooh! I love this lock :-) I got to borrow one the other day, so I hope to get a vid out myself soon. Great picking!
It is very nice. Looking forward to the video. Hope your bitting isn't too bad. This keyway is pretty tricky.
After watching this video, I bought one. Very happy with it.
Definitely nice locks. Good luck with it!
I've got a security profile version of this and boy does it look intimidating. I'd really love to see you pick that one!
nice lock. nice picking. your sneaky devil well explained. thanks😎😎😎
Thanks.
@LockPickingLawyer hello there , can you make a vid of how to pick CISA 285-84 dimple , please ?
Great job picking as always brother and thanks for sharing it with us!
Amazing the nastiness that a pick can be caused to slide by sometimes.
Yup, all I need is a tiny bit a daylight... it's not always there, but there's usually something.
In the words of Leonard Cohen, "There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in." :)
Great Video I've got today 3 of 285/66 cisa shutter locks. What is the security level of this particular shutter lock from 1-10?
Nice lock and pick, Did the serration on pins 2 and 5 come into play ?
Thanks. The serrations do not come into place unless you overset the pins, which I didn't do (this time).
Thats a pretty beefy lock. I wouldn't have too many complaints about it either, that keyway really would be an issue with a nasty bitting on the pins.
Yup... pretty good overall. I would definitely need a more extreme pick were the bitting more challenging...
LockPickingLawyer what sort of biting would make it more challenging?
this is the exact lock same body the dvla use in uk to clamp untaxed cars,1 big difference is the dvla core is worse than a master and can be picked with one hand so i swapped the one i had for a cisa core years ago.
Nice lock gotta follow cisa
Thanks... CISA definitely has some nice products
I'm a bit disappointed with mine.
The bidding is 3,2,2,1,1....
I couldn't get it disassembled for rekeying.
After unscrewing the set screw, the core retainer didn't come out.
Cisa also, builds the lock cheaper now. The spinner actually spins now and is made from zinc plated, punched steel,
Have 3 of these at work for the containers, lets see how they hold up lol
Well its a good job i live in a different country that LPL
what a bruiser! Of course though there are few commercial locks that can keep you out. ice picking
Yup... definitely a lock that I would feel comfortable using.
This is made me wanna redo my cisa half euro cylinder and tear it down to see the insides. Maybe ill do it the weekend. Makes for a better video i think
Interesting the Lockwood shutter lock the bolt opens other end
The other end? You mean the locking lug near the handle? Do you think that provides an advantage?
LockPickingLawyer not sure, yep bolt pulls other way.you can pull out the core without taking bolt out.
never seen a shutter lock open that way before.
dont know if that is more secure ir not
I have one of these on a container, nice lock,
I need to get three more locks like this, any recommendations.
What tool are you using to remove the c-clip on back of the plug?
I own a similarly beefy CISA 283/73 padlock... seems to have a similar core.
Nice thank you
8:22? Already know the lock is quite good.
i would love if you rated it. like how easy was it to pick. it looked easy. but for a master it would be i guess. so like from. 1-novice -10 or 5 or something expert.
and the meterials of the locks. and the safety of it. and so on. it would be realy nice i think.
👍🏻
LPL what sort of cylinder is it?
Wonder what cylinder you could replace with
These are quite good value £53 delivered for the largest one.
I have no firsthand knowledge, but have been told that cylinders with other CISA profiles (such as the incredible SP profile) are available.
The Cylinder model is the C3000 by CISA, it is since 1 year now, the new entry-level non-security cylinder (packing a little bit of security in the pinning) and it replaces the really famous C2000 model which is around (in Italy) since ages (the only "refurbishment" done to the C2000 was, sometimes near 10 years ago, the modification to the shape of the keyhandling part, from plain circular to near trapezoidal)
Just for clarification: the correct pronunciation for CISA is like CHESA (similar to cheese but with shorter "e" and the "a" pronounced as the beginning of "umbrella") and what it is referring to is a mountain pass here in Italy called the "Cisa Pass".
not a bad little lock, the close up on the keyway does look nasty but never a challenge for you eh...
The keyway is pretty bad, but the bitting was favorable for me. Otherwise, this might have been an ugly fight!
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So I'm guessing mine which is upside down and hard to get at is pretty secure?
Whish I could pick as good as you can open a lot of locks but spent hours on one of these and can't get it to budge
If of interest then you can get the Cisa 28550/85 for €45 at store.centrobenedetti.it/prodotto/maniglie-e-serrature/cisa-2855085-lucchetto-acc-ret-top/ . The catch is you need a mail proxy, as they only ship to Italy. I had one sent to the hotel the last time I were there. A bit risky perhaps.
Going to get the CISA 218 80 for £22 at some point, as they ship to anywhere =)
www.cisapadlocks.com/cisa-218-80-container-padlock-109-p.asp
the 85 looks the same as the 75mm version... just scaled up. Yes? The Armored lock looks nice also. Looks like it could be made by Viro, based on a few of the design features.
Yes, it is just scaled up.
Good point. I wonder if Cisa and Viro are nowadays the same company. The shutter locks with and without the double space (that many use for chain joints) are very popular in Italy, because they are used for the front door of shops. The door is always pulled from the top down and locked with a shutter lock to a hasp in the ground.
No they are not. Viro is from Bologna and is a sole propertorship company while CISA is now part of Allegion, a group of companies that develop security solutions.
Can people lock pick my cisa lock?