This was my Dad’s 1st ship when he was 16yrs old. Didn’t stay long. Hated waiting on mess tables as a Boot newbie! Transferred to the USS HAMMANN DE-131. He was 2nd generation Navy. I’m 3rd gen (Vietnam). My son 4th (Iraq/Afghanistan). Go Navy!!! TurnToo-Carry On!!
I thought it looked intimidating when stationery but when it's moving it's just obsurd how badass it looks with that dark paint and hull design and when it was going through the water and some of the trees wwre blocking the view and all you could see was the control tower just creeping along then a gap in the trees would open up and you'd see a massive gun it was like a predator on the hunt I'm glad I got to see an old ship like this move again in such good picture quality it was a site to behold
I was born and raised and still in NewHanover County where the USS North Carolina is docked and memorialized for people to visit and tour the ship, it's great the USS Texas is getting refurbished rather than scrapped. The sheer size and power really takes hold once you've walked on the ship and sat at an AAA battery, it's great to keep the memory alive for the veterans and the ships
This makes up a little bit for the scrubbing of the Artemis launch that was to happen Monday. Congrats, Texas, she's a magnificent vessel and deserves to be refurbished and appreciated. -From NC, another state with our own beloved battleship
I lived close to this ship so I've been on it many times and I'm delighted to know she is going to finally be restored. She is an amazing part of history and would make a beautiful floating museum if they choose to do so.
It should be moved to the Clear Lake area to have a combination ticket with Space Center a Houston to boost the revenue and generate positive cash flow. Ideally, they dry dock it in Clear Lake permanently and build a climate controlled building that can take a direct hit from a cat 5 hurricane around it. Something similar to how they have preserved the Saturn V rocket at JSC after it sat outside rotting for decades. It’s a losing battle to keep it in salt water exposed to humidity, UV sunlight, and brutal summer heat that destroy it.
Is it possible to keep a Battleship at over 700 feet to be placed in a climate controlled facility on permanent dry dock? Just thinking of the massive amount of weight that the ship would have on itself of that size in such a state for years.. Similar to how a whale is beached. I guess if its supported by something that can displace its weight of several thousand tons would be workable. . What about perhaps having its weight displaced in fresh water that's controlled? it would likely sink a little bit as Salt Water lets it out of the water better but perhaps having something that can displace the weight that's a liquid would allow less strain on the ships hull on the bottom. You can still keep it in a controlled environment and the water can be specially treated to ensure that rust isn't formed on the ship.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Unfortunately it's not. Ships like these are not meant to be out of water for extended periods of time. Her hull will potbelly out as the top begins to slowly squeeze down on the top. These ships require the water around them to help hold the hull in shape and the result is that the top of the ship doesn't push down on the bottom anymore but rather floats with the rest of the ship in the water.
@@HunterSteel29 That's what I was thinking that perhaps putting her in a freshwater tub or something similar that can support her weight and retard any future rust should be considered. I guess maybe a controlled salt water treated might be worth looking into. If its possible to place such a ship in a environmentally controlled room with a way to keep her weight from being a issue it could lead the way for future large scale projects with other ships like say the USS Olympia.
Probably the best way is something similar to the cofferdam around USS North Carolina over in Raleigh, but extensive studies must be undertaken due to Texas' advanced age, its 118 years old after all.
There are several submarines that are museum pieces that are permanently dry docked, but the largest US surface vessel I know of is a destroyer *USS **_Stewart_* - DE-238; it's hull is buried. The *USS **_Texas_* is 573 feet / 173 m in length. She doesn't need to be in a building; none of the other battleships or major naval vessels are, but if she's kept in the water, she'll need periodic maintenance, _unless_ they create her own "pool" and put her in fresh water, which would be an enormous expense in itself. I've read that there's a foreign battleship that's in a permanent dry dock, but the way they did that was to bury it in cement up to its water line. I don't recall which vessel that is, so I don't have the ability to check how accurate it is, along with any details of maintenance issues that may have caused.
Yeah US has many issues this is one area where the US can be proud though there's 1-2 episodes that will anger people in this area(Oregon and Enterprise mainly). Russia, China get an A for effort but they don't really have much to preserve, think China mainly preserves some of Russias carriers rather than their own stuff. Japan and Italy have done a decent job given how much of their stuff was destroyed they get a C they have excuses though. UK,Germany and France get an F for failure for various reasons. Everyone knows the UK's love of destroying priceless history but Germany had a chance to get Goeben back basically for free and they refused they also found a bunch of U-Boats perfectley preserved and buried them deep under a parking lot. France has preserved almost nothing.
Galveston is about the only place that makes any sense to put the Battleship. When they talk about Beaumont or Baytown I just can't imagine what they are thinking. The battleship is great and I love the thing like all of you but it does not and will not attract enough visitors to pay for its upkeep in places where people (re:tourists) aren't already going. Nobody is going to Beaumont or Baytown on vacation or to board a cruise ship. Send it to Galveston and it becomes part of the overall attraction of the island. It also puts it close to the drydocks it needs to go into periodically which saves us from having to send it down the ship channel or across the intercoastal waterway every time it needs that kind of work. They need to end this farce and just go ahead and put it in Galveston.
Unfortunately there is no best location. The millions it will cost to build the berth and infrastructure will be borne by Galveston (or any other location). Is Galveston willing to pay this cost? Galveston water salinity is more corrosive and the ship more susceptible to storm damage. Where? Pelican Island is not viable. Won't physically fit in Sea Wolf Park. The abandoned Todd Shipyard (to the east of Copper) still has the slips but are they deep enough? It is an EPA Superfund site. It is isolated from the tourist area. Galveston Island? No space to the east of The Strand. Maybre the west if some of the cruise ships relocate to the new facility being built to the east but presently the east facility is for expanded ship operations. The Elisa has annual visitation of 40,000. BTF has stated 350,000 annual visitations is needed.
@@charlesmoore766 And you have nowhere else along the Texas coast that's more visited than Galveston so what's the solution? The ship needs a place that already has the potential to draw more tourists. It's as simple as that and nowhere in Texas has a better shot at it than Galveston Island. If they want more tourist dollars they have to build and invest more in attractions. The Pleasure Pier is a piece. The cruise terminals are a piece. Obviously the beaches are a piece of the puzzle. So is The Strand but alone each are not enough. Galveston is one of the cities trying to get the ship so that tells me they're interested in giving it a shot. I know one thing, Beaumont and Baytown aren't going to cut it.
Location, location, location! Somewhere like USS North Carolina has. Everyone driving across the bridge into Wilmington can look to the right and see her sitting in her cofferdam. No better advertising than driving past it several times a week! San Jacinto Battleground became an out of way destination.
Because the water there was extraordinarily bad for the ship's hull and the visitor numbers weren't that great either, from what I've heard. The water conditions at the other places should be way more favorable.
La Porte's bay is lined with factories, refineries, and chemical plants. The waters are both salty and corrosive. During the 75 years that the battleship had been stationed in La Porte's stagnant waters, it lost over 90% of its hull integrity in some areas. It would literally collapse under its own weight if treated and dry docked like a normal ship (that is... if it doesn't capsize within the first mile of being towed first). The staff had to spend over a year removing any weight that could be saved (such as anti-aircraft guns, anchor, chairs, machinery, museum decor, etc) and filling many of its compartments and torpedo blisters with a special bouyant foam material to minimize the risk of capsizing during transit. In addition, pre-emptively, the ship was severely neglected and poorly maintained from lack of funding during the first few decades of its life as a museum ship from 1948 to 1983 under the care(?) of the Battleship Texas Commission before transferring to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department out of _necessity_ . Compare this to the British iron-hulled SS Great Britain, which had laid underwater for 33 years littered with holes (from when it was scuttled) before being raised, towed, repaired, and turned into an above-water drydocked museum with _lesser_ effort than what was needed to be done to the USS Texas. If it goes back to La Porte it will end up needing 50 million dollar repairs every 75 years.
@@charlesmoore766 Naval historian Drachinifel's RUclips channel, he did a video on the USS Texas about a year or two ago wherean he read an examiner's report stating that several of the main structural frames had degraded to over 90% rust. Highly recommend his videos. Top notch naval history and naval engineering content with everything from famous battles to boilers, schematics, propulsion, firepower, damage control, etc., alongside a slew of comedic quirky oddities that sometimes arise during voyages and close-call encounters.
@@fmeraz37 I just watched Drachinifel's "USS Texas - 107 years old and time for some R&R!", posted one year ago. Nowhere in the video is there content that 90% of hull integrity in some areas has been lost. There were serious structure issues (particularly under the engines) that were repaired starting 10 years ago. In the video, Travis Davis said repeatedly the structure is sound for towing. Lays naked your "capsizing" statement. Ship channel water at San Jacinto is brackish, not salty - per Travis Davis Structural problems were caused water that was pumped into the lower areas in 1948 to anchor the ship in place AA guns were removed for repairs. Museum decor was removed to secure and prevent damage Anchors were not removed. Tow video show the anchors in place Chairs..? for weight reduction No idea what you classify as machinery but what is BB35 designated machinery was not removed. The two 36" search lights on the main mast were removed The foam injected into the blisters and some hull area was not for buoyancy but to keep water from entering, Travis said it added a bit of buoyancy.
Put it next to the Lexington… I mean Jesus it’s a no brainer. Don’t stick it in a town where ppl are gonna be like… huh? Lexington is the only fit for it.
I agree, they already have two Naval vessels there: USS Stewart, one of the last of the destroyer escorts, and USS Cavalla, the celebrated slayer of the Japanese aircraft carrier Shokaku.
It would if it was docked. But it's not a great location as it's out of the way. Corpus could be a better location physically and economically particularly if parked by the Lexington which averages 4x more visitors than the Texas currently does.
@@DarkRyderWhisky There is no good location Sea Wolf has no room even with a dock instead of a slip. Corpus, or any other location, (not BTF) will have to spend millions of dollars to build the needed berthing and infrastucture. The same mistake was made with the Blue Ghost as it was with BB35 in 1948 that being the interior was flooded with water to anchor it. Like BB35 did (and is still suffering from) the Blue Ghost is rusting from the inside out. I don't think both ships could draw enough visitors to support both. The BTF estimates BB35 needs 350,000 annual visits. From your info, the Lex has annual visitation of about 350,000 The ship won't go back to San Jacinto, but it has an advantage over all other options because it is environmentally superior. The water is not salty. Ship Channel water quality has improved over the decades. The location is father away from the coast so the impact of severe weather is greatly reduced.
Those people can't even take care of themselves much less a 30,000 ton battleship. It would be an insult to the man who served and the one crew member who died aboard her to house them on board Galveston is the only option
Besides the fact that someone could accidently set fire in the ship. There are very real health and safety concerns. The ship is designed for function not comfort. A person not trained on a vessel like a battleship could get hurt by much of the equipment on board. Potentially even killed Then there is the fact the ship doesn't come with a air conditioner. Most ships didn't have them. Air conditioner was the top deck and a few windows. It becomes a literal hot box on hot days you could potentially cook a person to death on it. So absolutely not.
This was my Dad’s 1st ship when he was 16yrs old. Didn’t stay long. Hated waiting on mess tables as a Boot newbie! Transferred to the USS HAMMANN DE-131. He was 2nd generation Navy. I’m 3rd gen (Vietnam). My son 4th (Iraq/Afghanistan). Go Navy!!! TurnToo-Carry On!!
BIG appreciative salutes to all of you !!
Even though she wasn't under her own power, it's still an impressive sight to see moving across the water. Incredible history.
Amen, brother!
Even so, She was the fastest Battleship that day.
I thought it looked intimidating when stationery but when it's moving it's just obsurd how badass it looks with that dark paint and hull design and when it was going through the water and some of the trees wwre blocking the view and all you could see was the control tower just creeping along then a gap in the trees would open up and you'd see a massive gun it was like a predator on the hunt I'm glad I got to see an old ship like this move again in such good picture quality it was a site to behold
Go to see the u.s.s constitution ....Wierd shit
I was born and raised and still in NewHanover County where the USS North Carolina is docked and memorialized for people to visit and tour the ship, it's great the USS Texas is getting refurbished rather than scrapped. The sheer size and power really takes hold once you've walked on the ship and sat at an AAA battery, it's great to keep the memory alive for the veterans and the ships
This makes up a little bit for the scrubbing of the Artemis launch that was to happen Monday. Congrats, Texas, she's a magnificent vessel and deserves to be refurbished and appreciated. -From NC, another state with our own beloved battleship
I have been on The Battleship of Texas more times than anyone I know except my brother. Great to Hear from a Tar Heel!!!!
I lived close to this ship so I've been on it many times and I'm delighted to know she is going to finally be restored. She is an amazing part of history and would make a beautiful floating museum if they choose to do so.
Hi, she began her career as a floating museum in 1948.
I hope all goes well. Beautiful, irreplaceable ship.
It should be moved to the Clear Lake area to have a combination ticket with Space Center a Houston to boost the revenue and generate positive cash flow. Ideally, they dry dock it in Clear Lake permanently and build a climate controlled building that can take a direct hit from a cat 5 hurricane around it. Something similar to how they have preserved the Saturn V rocket at JSC after it sat outside rotting for decades. It’s a losing battle to keep it in salt water exposed to humidity, UV sunlight, and brutal summer heat that destroy it.
Is it possible to keep a Battleship at over 700 feet to be placed in a climate controlled facility on permanent dry dock? Just thinking of the massive amount of weight that the ship would have on itself of that size in such a state for years.. Similar to how a whale is beached. I guess if its supported by something that can displace its weight of several thousand tons would be workable. . What about perhaps having its weight displaced in fresh water that's controlled? it would likely sink a little bit as Salt Water lets it out of the water better but perhaps having something that can displace the weight that's a liquid would allow less strain on the ships hull on the bottom. You can still keep it in a controlled environment and the water can be specially treated to ensure that rust isn't formed on the ship.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Unfortunately it's not. Ships like these are not meant to be out of water for extended periods of time. Her hull will potbelly out as the top begins to slowly squeeze down on the top. These ships require the water around them to help hold the hull in shape and the result is that the top of the ship doesn't push down on the bottom anymore but rather floats with the rest of the ship in the water.
@@HunterSteel29 That's what I was thinking that perhaps putting her in a freshwater tub or something similar that can support her weight and retard any future rust should be considered. I guess maybe a controlled salt water treated might be worth looking into.
If its possible to place such a ship in a environmentally controlled room with a way to keep her weight from being a issue it could lead the way for future large scale projects with other ships like say the USS Olympia.
Probably the best way is something similar to the cofferdam around USS North Carolina over in Raleigh, but extensive studies must be undertaken due to Texas' advanced age, its 118 years old after all.
There are several submarines that are museum pieces that are permanently dry docked, but the largest US surface vessel I know of is a destroyer *USS **_Stewart_* - DE-238; it's hull is buried. The *USS **_Texas_* is 573 feet / 173 m in length.
She doesn't need to be in a building; none of the other battleships or major naval vessels are, but if she's kept in the water, she'll need periodic maintenance, _unless_ they create her own "pool" and put her in fresh water, which would be an enormous expense in itself. I've read that there's a foreign battleship that's in a permanent dry dock, but the way they did that was to bury it in cement up to its water line. I don't recall which vessel that is, so I don't have the ability to check how accurate it is, along with any details of maintenance issues that may have caused.
Galveston Will attract the most visitors and tourist 100%
At one time Galveston, Texas was selected to be the homeport for the U.S.S. Missouri. The Federal government reneged on the deal. It was a pity.
I can't wait to see it's complete refurbishment It might look brand new if that's how it goes which would be really awesome to see
Luckily, the US has historically had the resources to preserve older ships like this rather a than scrap them all (looking at YOU, UK).
Yeah US has many issues this is one area where the US can be proud though there's 1-2 episodes that will anger people in this area(Oregon and Enterprise mainly). Russia, China get an A for effort but they don't really have much to preserve, think China mainly preserves some of Russias carriers rather than their own stuff. Japan and Italy have done a decent job given how much of their stuff was destroyed they get a C they have excuses though. UK,Germany and France get an F for failure for various reasons. Everyone knows the UK's love of destroying priceless history but Germany had a chance to get Goeben back basically for free and they refused they also found a bunch of U-Boats perfectley preserved and buried them deep under a parking lot. France has preserved almost nothing.
Us brits regret losing Warspite et al. Keep her safe Yanks.
💪🫡 yessir
@Alejandro Antonio Castillo thank god you guys kept HMS Victory in one piece!
@Alejandro Antonio Castillo I agree!
Galveston is about the only place that makes any sense to put the Battleship. When they talk about Beaumont or Baytown I just can't imagine what they are thinking. The battleship is great and I love the thing like all of you but it does not and will not attract enough visitors to pay for its upkeep in places where people (re:tourists) aren't already going. Nobody is going to Beaumont or Baytown on vacation or to board a cruise ship. Send it to Galveston and it becomes part of the overall attraction of the island. It also puts it close to the drydocks it needs to go into periodically which saves us from having to send it down the ship channel or across the intercoastal waterway every time it needs that kind of work. They need to end this farce and just go ahead and put it in Galveston.
Unfortunately there is no best location. The millions it will cost to build the berth and infrastructure will be borne by Galveston (or any other location). Is Galveston willing to pay this cost? Galveston water salinity is more corrosive and the ship more susceptible to storm damage. Where? Pelican Island is not viable. Won't physically fit in Sea Wolf Park. The abandoned Todd Shipyard (to the east of Copper) still has the slips but are they deep enough? It is an EPA Superfund site. It is isolated from the tourist area. Galveston Island? No space to the east of The Strand. Maybre the west if some of the cruise ships relocate to the new facility being built to the east but presently the east facility is for expanded ship operations. The Elisa has annual visitation of 40,000. BTF has stated 350,000 annual visitations is needed.
@@charlesmoore766 And you have nowhere else along the Texas coast that's more visited than Galveston so what's the solution? The ship needs a place that already has the potential to draw more tourists. It's as simple as that and nowhere in Texas has a better shot at it than Galveston Island. If they want more tourist dollars they have to build and invest more in attractions. The Pleasure Pier is a piece. The cruise terminals are a piece. Obviously the beaches are a piece of the puzzle. So is The Strand but alone each are not enough. Galveston is one of the cities trying to get the ship so that tells me they're interested in giving it a shot. I know one thing, Beaumont and Baytown aren't going to cut it.
Location, location, location! Somewhere like USS North Carolina has. Everyone driving across the bridge into Wilmington can look to the right and see her sitting in her cofferdam. No better advertising than driving past it several times a week! San Jacinto Battleground became an out of way destination.
@@charlesmoore766 In 1988 the U.S.S. Texas was refurbished at the Todd Shipyard. She was the last ship to be worked on there.
Shame it wasn’t under her own power but watching a 30,000 battleship plow across the water again is a true sight.
Bu-but i love where she used to live during she was a museum ship🥲
She has been evicted.
Corpus Christy next to Lady Lex!!! Deep in the heart of Texas!
Galveston, I miss Glenn Campbell he put the town on the map.
Jean Lafitte beat him to it...
@@kmaher1424 I've learnt something today.
yall notice the old flags?
Why can't they send it back La Porte?
Because the water there was extraordinarily bad for the ship's hull and the visitor numbers weren't that great either, from what I've heard. The water conditions at the other places should be way more favorable.
La Porte's bay is lined with factories, refineries, and chemical plants. The waters are both salty and corrosive. During the 75 years that the battleship had been stationed in La Porte's stagnant waters, it lost over 90% of its hull integrity in some areas. It would literally collapse under its own weight if treated and dry docked like a normal ship (that is... if it doesn't capsize within the first mile of being towed first). The staff had to spend over a year removing any weight that could be saved (such as anti-aircraft guns, anchor, chairs, machinery, museum decor, etc) and filling many of its compartments and torpedo blisters with a special bouyant foam material to minimize the risk of capsizing during transit. In addition, pre-emptively, the ship was severely neglected and poorly maintained from lack of funding during the first few decades of its life as a museum ship from 1948 to 1983 under the care(?) of the Battleship Texas Commission before transferring to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department out of _necessity_ .
Compare this to the British iron-hulled SS Great Britain, which had laid underwater for 33 years littered with holes (from when it was scuttled) before being raised, towed, repaired, and turned into an above-water drydocked museum with _lesser_ effort than what was needed to be done to the USS Texas.
If it goes back to La Porte it will end up needing 50 million dollar repairs every 75 years.
@@fmeraz37 Where did you come up with hull integrity loss of 90%?
@@charlesmoore766 Naval historian Drachinifel's RUclips channel, he did a video on the USS Texas about a year or two ago wherean he read an examiner's report stating that several of the main structural frames had degraded to over 90% rust. Highly recommend his videos. Top notch naval history and naval engineering content with everything from famous battles to boilers, schematics, propulsion, firepower, damage control, etc., alongside a slew of comedic quirky oddities that sometimes arise during voyages and close-call encounters.
@@fmeraz37 I just watched Drachinifel's "USS Texas - 107 years old and time for some R&R!", posted one year ago. Nowhere in the video is there content that 90% of hull integrity in some areas has been lost. There were serious structure issues (particularly under the engines) that were repaired starting 10 years ago.
In the video, Travis Davis said repeatedly the structure is sound for towing. Lays naked your "capsizing" statement.
Ship channel water at San Jacinto is brackish, not salty - per Travis Davis
Structural problems were caused water that was pumped into the lower areas in 1948 to anchor the ship in place
AA guns were removed for repairs.
Museum decor was removed to secure and prevent damage
Anchors were not removed. Tow video show the anchors in place
Chairs..? for weight reduction
No idea what you classify as machinery but what is BB35 designated machinery was not removed. The two 36" search lights on the main mast were removed
The foam injected into the blisters and some hull area was not for buoyancy but to keep water from entering, Travis said it added a bit of buoyancy.
Make it seaworthy... that could be fun
Put it next to the Lexington… I mean Jesus it’s a no brainer. Don’t stick it in a town where ppl are gonna be like… huh? Lexington is the only fit for it.
I cut the decks out the Lexington in Pensacola to take her engines out
Should be renamed battleship “Northern Mexico”.
I think Elon Musk could make her want To stay after for pancakes in Boca chica Texas
Plot twist it's getting updated cuz America can't make up it's mind on what ship it wants to build next
Baytown and Beaumont are disgusting. The only acceptable place that's not where it came from IMO is SeaWolf park.
I agree, they already have two Naval vessels there: USS Stewart, one of the last of the destroyer escorts, and USS Cavalla, the celebrated slayer of the Japanese aircraft carrier Shokaku.
they could send it to corpus christi its already got a carrier there
Will not physically fit in SeaWolf Park.
It would if it was docked. But it's not a great location as it's out of the way. Corpus could be a better location physically and economically particularly if parked by the Lexington which averages 4x more visitors than the Texas currently does.
@@DarkRyderWhisky There is no good location
Sea Wolf has no room even with a dock instead of a slip.
Corpus, or any other location, (not BTF) will have to spend millions of dollars to build the needed berthing and infrastucture. The same mistake was made with the Blue Ghost as it was with BB35 in 1948 that being the interior was flooded with water to anchor it. Like BB35 did (and is still suffering from) the Blue Ghost is rusting from the inside out.
I don't think both ships could draw enough visitors to support both. The BTF estimates BB35 needs 350,000 annual visits. From your info, the Lex has annual visitation of about 350,000
The ship won't go back to San Jacinto, but it has an advantage over all other options because it is environmentally superior. The water is not salty. Ship Channel water quality has improved over the decades. The location is father away from the coast so the impact of severe weather is greatly reduced.
This is insanity on steroids. EVIL is consuming EVERYTHING and keeping the dupes hypnotized with chaff.
This ship is being prepared for the upcoming WW3 as prophesied by the illumanati card game.
@@illusiveman1 RUclips video: Picard Facepalm
use it to house immigrants or the homeless
absolutely not
how bout no
What is it with liberals like you who lay claim to every dollar on the planet to try and help the poor?
Those people can't even take care of themselves much less a 30,000 ton battleship. It would be an insult to the man who served and the one crew member who died aboard her to house them on board Galveston is the only option
Besides the fact that someone could accidently set fire in the ship.
There are very real health and safety concerns.
The ship is designed for function not comfort. A person not trained on a vessel like a battleship could get hurt by much of the equipment on board. Potentially even killed
Then there is the fact the ship doesn't come with a air conditioner. Most ships didn't have them. Air conditioner was the top deck and a few windows. It becomes a literal hot box on hot days you could potentially cook a person to death on it.
So absolutely not.