Pacific 231, a Romanian built steam locomotive under J A Maffei license, wasn't only a locomotive, but one of the greatest pacific (3 motor wheels) steam locomotives of all time and in Europe.
The ultimate depiction of the movement of a steam locomotive. 2-3-1 refers to the 'grey scale', which is the arrangement of the wheels on a steam locomotive of the Pacific-class, namely a 4-6-2 [2 leading, 3 driving, 2 trailing] wheel arrangement.
Lots of predictable comments on here saying "beautiful music", "masterpiece" etc. This is NOT beautiful music. It is intentionally very rough, ugly music. This piece reflects all the putrid fuel and dirt and grease and the inexorable "chug-a-chug-a" of these locomotive snakes pulsating for hundreds or even thousands of miles on the tracks. The string parts are really well-written it looks like but sadly, are almost completely covered by the winds as the piece progresses. Super effective use of harmonics in the opening. That ending though....jesus. It's enough to make your heart stop. This is not a happy piece. It may not be unhappy, but it's not good-natured or fun in the least. I was in an orchestra that performed this piece one time, and also the short "Circus" Overture by Ernst Toch, whose title also belies what it really is...terrifying. Toch, like Honneger, was a great but underrated composer who today is even more forgotten.
@@PhilipDaniel Did he really say that?! Wow, I need to remember that. Ives was definitely The Man. People don't realize that he pre-dated even Stravinsky with his weird harmonic and atonal inventions. Genius. This piece was like a mini tone poem - I guess the subtitle "Symphonic movement" sorta suggests that.
It is fun to note the similarities between the last movement of Villa Lobo's "Bachianas 2", that is called " O Trenzinho Caipira" (Little train of the Caipira), and this work by Honegger. They were actually good friends in Paris, and you can see that Villa uses some of Arthur's ideas to depict the train. However, the Brazilian piece goes in a much more tonal, melodious, heart melting direction, as Villa changed his style after returning to Brazil in 1930.
Honegger is such an underrated genius. He and the other Les Six members aside from Poulenc and Milhaud deserve more recognition like these 2. I think of Mosolov's the Iron Foundry, Rails by Deshevov and many of Antheil's music
I ended up having Honegger being assigned to me to present for my 20th century music history class. The first half of it, it was a great assignment and allowed me to get to know this composers music and life more fully.
Puur kunst ! Arthur Honegger waseen lied van de Groupe de Six en schrijf over 200 werken , waarvan het orkest werk Pacific 231 , tot de bekendste behoort. In dit werk imiteert het symfonieorkest het geluid van een stoomlocomotief.
If you look at rehearsal mark 1, you can see that the bassoonists were simply not aware that the strings were assigned shorter note values. Therefore, the bassoonists didn't hold their notes full value, which is a shame since the change of tone color would have interesting.
I know you wrote this 4 years ago and have totally forgotten about it but that's a hoot! I'm sure you are the only one who noticed it. Least of all, the recording engineer who didn't make them go back and do it over again.
Thanks for the truly informative informational text. It told me a lot. I've only heard of the piece and knew the title, but I've never heard it. Interesting and nice.
Spannende Interpretation dieses perfekt komponierten Meisterwerks mit farbenprächtigen Töne aller Instrumente. Der geniale Maestro dirigiert das funktionelle Orchester im beschleunigenden Tempo mit völlig effektiver Dynamik. Echt faszinierend!
Wonderfully composed, really full of awesome great cinema! You really feel the power the steam locomotive needs to set itself and the load (passenger cars, freight cars, etc. in motion). And to slow down the mass afterwards.
Ted Templeman, in his autobiography, mentioned this composition, referring to Long Train Running by the Doobie Brothers, and how he spurred the writers to think of a train chugging along. The writer, Tom Johnson, took his cues and wrote and composed the FM radio staple
From Wikipedia: The popular interpretation of the piece is that it depicts a steam locomotive, an interpretation that is supported by the title of the piece. Honegger, however, insisted that he wrote it as an exercise in building momentum while the tempo of the piece slows. He originally titled it Mouvement Symphonique, only giving it the name Pacific 231, a class of steam locomotive designated in Whyte notation as a 4-6-2, with four pilot wheels, six driving wheels, and two trailing wheels (the French, who count axles rather than wheels when describing locomotives, call this arrangement 2-3-1) after it was finished. See also the Wikipedia article on 4-6-2, which shows the locomotive the composer was writing about.
We currently have this song as subject in music class and I love it! I couldn't resist on searching for it on RUclips and listen to it's full glory... Definetely worth it!
Excellent notes. Thank you. I first heard this & many other classics on 78s including Ferde Grofé - Grand Canyon Suite which shares elements of impressionist musical portraits.
I think is the other way around. I don't know if Honneger even knew about Prokofiev. However after Prokofiev saw how successful this piece became, he wrote his second symphony which was a massive fail unfortunately. Nobody cared. This type of music was named in French the "mechanical style". Prokofiev was not the first one to do this type of music. It's inspiration came from the most advance technology of it's time, which was of course trains.
신음악 2세대- 힌데미트, 바일,아이슬러, 크세넥, 재즈의 선구자로 불리는 랙타임을 차용한 작품등 그래서 신음악 2세대의 작품은 [중간음악]에 속한다. 중간음악의 이유: 미학적 관점에서 중간적 위치 이기 때문, 낭ㅁ나적 예술관의 높은 관련적 예술관과 민속악이나 저급음악, 유행음악의 낮은 예술관의 중간이 위치하기 때문이었다. 쉰 베 르크， 스트라빈스키， 바르토크 등 신음악 1세대가 확고하게 고수한 이러한 미학관과 단호하게 결별을시도한신음악 2세대는폭넓은의미에서의 기능성 에중 요성을 부여했다. 이에 따라 시대의 변화와 일상적 삶을 음악에 담으 려는흥미 있는시도가나타났다. (3) 신음악 2세대가 가장 거부했던 전통은 낭만주의 였다. 그들은 복잡 한 화성과 형식， 세분화된 표현력， 음악에 대한 숭고한 미학 퉁의 낭만 주의에서 벗어나 20세기의 빠른 시대적 흐름을 음악에 직접 담고자 시 도했다. 단순한 선율선과 자연스럽고 이해하기 쉬운 형식이나 대규모 오케스트라보다 실내음악을 선호했다. 현악기를 위한 무반주곡이 다시 애호되기 시작한 것도 화성의 지배에서 벗어난 선율적 흐름에 의한 음 악에 관심을 가졌다는 것을 보여준다. 미요의 〈현악4중주 4번〉은 단순 하고가벼운분위기의 새로운실내악유형을보여주며 ，힌데미트의 〈실 내음악 1번〉은 독특한 리듬과 대위법적 양식， 그리고 아코디언과 127~ 의 독주악기가 풍부한 불협화음을 창출해 큰 주목을 받았다. 오네게르 는 〈퍼시픽 231) (Paci!ic 231, 1923) 에서 새롭게 등장한 증기기관차를 일종의 문명의 상징으로 표현했다. 또한 현대적 주제를 다루는 〈시대 오페라) (ZeitopeIJ가 나타나 현대적 삶의 일상적 사건과 개인적 · 경제 적 정치적 영역에서 나타나는 인간관계를중심주제로다루었다 (4) 신음악 2세대는 대 중성과 예술성의 화합을 추구하고， 재즈와 같은 대중음악을 예술음악에 수용하였다(20세기 22 참조) . 또한 음악의 기능 을 다양한 측면에서 추구해 실용음악을 작곡했다(20세기 2 1 참조) .0) 1920년대 에 신음악 2세대는 청중과의 공감대를 모색하면서 음악의 기농성， 설용성을 중시했다. 실용음악은 가정에서 연주되는 음악， 춤음 악， 영화음악， 라디오음악， 교육용 음악 등과 같이 실용적으로 사용될 수 있는 음악을 의미하는 것으로 음악학자 베셀러 (H. Be잃eler) 에 의해 이론적으로 뒷받침되었다 베셀러는 인간의 삶과 연관되고 청중이 쉽 게 연주하면서 즐길 수 있는 과거(중세나 르네쌍스)의 음악을 이상적 실 용음악으로보았다. (2) 힌데미트는 음악활동을 하는 아마추어그룹을 중요하게 생각해 이 들을 위한 음악을 작곡했다. 그는 “애호가를 위한 음악， 어 린이를 위한 음악， 라디오음악， 기계적 악기를 위한 음악이 음악회용 음악보다 훨씬 더 중요하다” 라고 주장하였다 그래서 그는 연주자의 능동적 태도와 청중의 수동적 태도가 분리된 것을 비판하면서 , 실제 연주될 수 있거나 실제적 기능성을 가지는 실용음악을 작곡했다. 대표작으로는 〈현악오 케스트라， 플루트， 오보에를 위한 유희음악) (op. 43) ,
Je pense M.Honegger avez beaucoup meilleur des ouvres que ca : Parmi, Symphonie #2 des chordes et le #1 Symphony en 1930 et especialment "Symphony Liturgique( J'ai ecoute'. mais savez pas c'est vraie ou non c'est ecrite en prison dans deuxiem guerre ) pouvez pas trouve information oui ou non.
Fantastic! Came here thanks to Oliver Sacks's "the man who mistook his wife for a hat", beautiful book
wow, me too.
Same
Me too!!
Me too!! (4)
Same but in my book the title is spelled wrong :0
Pacific 231, a Romanian built steam locomotive under J A Maffei license, wasn't only a locomotive, but one of the greatest pacific (3 motor wheels) steam locomotives of all time and in Europe.
The ultimate depiction of the movement of a steam locomotive. 2-3-1 refers to the 'grey scale', which is the arrangement of the wheels on a steam locomotive of the Pacific-class, namely a 4-6-2 [2 leading, 3 driving, 2 trailing] wheel arrangement.
Lots of predictable comments on here saying "beautiful music", "masterpiece" etc. This is NOT beautiful music. It is intentionally very rough, ugly music. This piece reflects all the putrid fuel and dirt and grease and the inexorable "chug-a-chug-a" of these locomotive snakes pulsating for hundreds or even thousands of miles on the tracks. The string parts are really well-written it looks like but sadly, are almost completely covered by the winds as the piece progresses. Super effective use of harmonics in the opening. That ending though....jesus. It's enough to make your heart stop. This is not a happy piece. It may not be unhappy, but it's not good-natured or fun in the least. I was in an orchestra that performed this piece one time, and also the short "Circus" Overture by Ernst Toch, whose title also belies what it really is...terrifying. Toch, like Honneger, was a great but underrated composer who today is even more forgotten.
To quote Charles Ives, "Stand up and take your dissonance like a man!"
@@PhilipDaniel Did he really say that?! Wow, I need to remember that. Ives was definitely The Man. People don't realize that he pre-dated even Stravinsky with his weird harmonic and atonal inventions. Genius. This piece was like a mini tone poem - I guess the subtitle "Symphonic movement" sorta suggests that.
It is fun to note the similarities between the last movement of Villa Lobo's "Bachianas 2", that is called " O Trenzinho Caipira" (Little train of the Caipira), and this work by Honegger. They were actually good friends in Paris, and you can see that Villa uses some of Arthur's ideas to depict the train. However, the Brazilian piece goes in a much more tonal, melodious, heart melting direction, as Villa changed his style after returning to Brazil in 1930.
Honegger is such an underrated genius. He and the other Les Six members aside from Poulenc and Milhaud deserve more recognition like these 2. I think of Mosolov's the Iron Foundry, Rails by Deshevov and many of Antheil's music
I ended up having Honegger being assigned to me to present for my 20th century music history class. The first half of it, it was a great assignment and allowed me to get to know this composers music and life more fully.
Puur kunst ! Arthur Honegger waseen lied van de Groupe de Six en schrijf over 200 werken , waarvan het orkest werk Pacific 231 , tot de bekendste behoort. In dit werk imiteert het symfonieorkest het geluid van een stoomlocomotief.
A truly unique piece of music, really great cinema. A real masterpiece.
Deservedly his most popular piece. Thank you for uploading!
la vraie traduction d'une impression visuelle d'un grand locomotive. Quelle belle composition!
If you look at rehearsal mark 1, you can see that the bassoonists were simply not aware that the strings were assigned shorter note values. Therefore, the bassoonists didn't hold their notes full value, which is a shame since the change of tone color would have interesting.
such a profound shame!!! I probably won't sleep for weeks.
I know you wrote this 4 years ago and have totally forgotten about it but that's a hoot! I'm sure you are the only one who noticed it. Least of all, the recording engineer who didn't make them go back and do it over again.
Pièce maîtresse du répertoire symphonique...❤
0:29 Anfahren des Zuges
2:19 Fagott Thema
3:20 Tarantella
4:52 Hymne à la vitesse
Thanks for the truly informative informational text. It told me a lot. I've only heard of the piece and knew the title, but I've never heard it. Interesting and nice.
One of the best performance of this masterpiece! Thank you!
Choo chooo
indeed my dude
😂😂
Can't argue with that!
Also had to have a listen while reading Dr. Sacks Musicophilia. I love all his books. The man was a indisputable genius.
0:28 хорал
0:55 марш токката
2:18 Скерцо-токката
3:19 тарантелла
4:52 марш НТР
Buena interpretación. Me recuerda a Maurice Abravanel con la Utah Symphony
自転車乗る時
頭の中でこの曲流してます
Spannende Interpretation dieses perfekt komponierten Meisterwerks mit farbenprächtigen Töne aller Instrumente. Der geniale Maestro dirigiert das funktionelle Orchester im beschleunigenden Tempo mit völlig effektiver Dynamik. Echt faszinierend!
you are the best I hope you're still alive
Wonderfully composed, really full of awesome great cinema! You really feel the power the steam locomotive needs to set itself and the load (passenger cars, freight cars, etc. in motion). And to slow down the mass afterwards.
Ted Templeman, in his autobiography, mentioned this composition, referring to Long Train Running by the Doobie Brothers, and how he spurred the writers to think of a train chugging along. The writer, Tom Johnson, took his cues and wrote and composed the FM radio staple
From Wikipedia: The popular interpretation of the piece is that it depicts a steam locomotive, an interpretation that is supported by the title of the piece. Honegger, however, insisted that he wrote it as an exercise in building momentum while the tempo of the piece slows. He originally titled it Mouvement Symphonique, only giving it the name Pacific 231, a class of steam locomotive designated in Whyte notation as a 4-6-2, with four pilot wheels, six driving wheels, and two trailing wheels (the French, who count axles rather than wheels when describing locomotives, call this arrangement 2-3-1) after it was finished.
See also the Wikipedia article on 4-6-2, which shows the locomotive the composer was writing about.
See the info under the video.
@Jerf Hankell RUclips marked your comment as spam and as potentially inappropriate... lol
Drakengard 1: Eighth Chapter ~ In the Sky samples the passage at 4:29, 19 seconds into the song
Heard on BBC Radio 3 once long ago, stuck with me as a great piece!
The Adam Friedland Show :)
My favourite recording of my favourite piece.
Well this is a beautiful masterpiece!
We currently have this song as subject in music class and I love it! I couldn't resist on searching for it on RUclips and listen to it's full glory... Definetely worth it!
same here!
Wow, excellent rendition !
Unique and marvelous ❤
0:17 me recuerda a un soundtrack de alien isolution
wer ist auch hier wegen musik?
Ich
bIN WEGEN HAUSAUFGABEN
ich XD
A 8.a. Még távoktatásnál is ezt hallgatja.
Hajrá Mariann néni, remélem most már nem fáj a torka.
Meg értelek 8/2 nevében sok sikert ;)
Jobbulást Mariann néni! :DDDD
Legszívmelengetőbb komment az interneten. Remélem, mindenki jól van!
He recreated perfectly the sound of a Train with the Start of the engine.
Amazing
I imagine a small, rusty steam engine speedily chugging through a scrapyard, racing for its life from the clutches of a pursuing diesel.
You've been watching Thomas the Train again, haven't you?
Wer ist auch hier wegen Musik 🎶
Meee
ich hahahah im lockdown
herr detzel
Ich
IchXD
고맙습니다
my favorite symphonist
wouldnt listen to this if there wouldnt be corona , i need to write an essay about this thing so fml if anyone wanna help xD
Same bro
same here
same :(
Same here, I only have one hour left and I’m ducked up
Bruh why are music teachers such assholes
Awesome!
Kitaptan düştük buralara ilginç bir şekilde hoşuma gitti "-"
Офигительно!! Чуть не кончил!!
There ain’t no gettin offa this train we’re on
And you can really hear the steam locomotive breathing.
cooles video :)
The theme of this is heavily futurist but I am not aware of his involvement in the Italian futurist movement.
one of the most successful compositions of early 20th Century
I have homework in music lesson ;-;
Same 🤟
Arthur Honegger:Pacific 231
Dán Nemzeti Rádió Szimfonikus Zenekara
Vezényel:Neeme Järvi
Sorry I forget something to write down I fell that the drive and stop was been also composed, too.
This could have been a great Shin Godzilla piece!!!
『きしゃぽっぽ』をlevel 1とした場合の、level 100 の曲。
Definitely had an influence on conventional film scoring.
everyday traffic sounds being arranged in the right way: pacific 231
Harry Andruschack, what an amazing run-on sentence in your notes!
Capolavoro
Excellent notes. Thank you.
I first heard this & many other classics on 78s including Ferde Grofé - Grand Canyon Suite which shares elements of impressionist musical portraits.
So did I!
Kto tu je z Brezovej? :D
Fabulous😍
Wer ist alles hier wegen Musik?
ich
Schule
extraordinaire!!! 완전 짱!!!
Can't help it, but one of the themes sounds like it inspired the "Mazel Tov, Mazel Tov" " part of Tevye's Dream in Fiddler.
Hallo ich grüße mich und die Klasse 7a im Musik Unterricht... Hi Lara
Hallo
5:51 is my favorite part
Agreed
Les 3*1 de la classe de Mme Oliver du College Le Cèdre vous êtes ou ???????????
Yo tmb di clase con Oliver
❤
waaaaaaaaaao!
Kann hier jemand mal bitte die Parameter davon reinschreiben?
Very strongly influenced by prokovief.the OSR historical version is still my reference one.
I think is the other way around. I don't know if Honneger even knew about Prokofiev. However after Prokofiev saw how successful this piece became, he wrote his second symphony which was a massive fail unfortunately. Nobody cared. This type of music was named in French the "mechanical style". Prokofiev was not the first one to do this type of music. It's inspiration came from the most advance technology of it's time, which was of course trains.
Came here thanks to Ruben Brandt, Collector
Nice.
c’est quoi la formation instrumentale de l’œuvre svp 🤷♂️
I have that for a homework... 0:59
Why do I get the impression this was war music?
Isn’t this based off an actual steam locomotive or something?
Music based on an actual locomotive. Yes it certainly is.
Yes, something like the Great Bear but bigger.
Wann taucht der Rhythmus bei b auf
Julius Evola Ride The Tiger brought me here.
신음악 2세대- 힌데미트, 바일,아이슬러, 크세넥, 재즈의 선구자로 불리는 랙타임을 차용한 작품등 그래서 신음악 2세대의 작품은 [중간음악]에 속한다. 중간음악의 이유: 미학적 관점에서 중간적 위치 이기 때문, 낭ㅁ나적 예술관의 높은 관련적 예술관과 민속악이나 저급음악, 유행음악의 낮은 예술관의 중간이 위치하기 때문이었다. 쉰 베 르크， 스트라빈스키， 바르토크 등 신음악 1세대가 확고하게 고수한 이러한 미학관과 단호하게 결별을시도한신음악 2세대는폭넓은의미에서의 기능성 에중
요성을 부여했다. 이에 따라 시대의 변화와 일상적 삶을 음악에 담으
려는흥미 있는시도가나타났다.
(3) 신음악 2세대가 가장 거부했던 전통은 낭만주의 였다. 그들은 복잡
한 화성과 형식， 세분화된 표현력， 음악에 대한 숭고한 미학 퉁의 낭만
주의에서 벗어나 20세기의 빠른 시대적 흐름을 음악에 직접 담고자 시
도했다. 단순한 선율선과 자연스럽고 이해하기 쉬운 형식이나 대규모
오케스트라보다 실내음악을 선호했다. 현악기를 위한 무반주곡이 다시
애호되기 시작한 것도 화성의 지배에서 벗어난 선율적 흐름에 의한 음
악에 관심을 가졌다는 것을 보여준다. 미요의 〈현악4중주 4번〉은 단순
하고가벼운분위기의 새로운실내악유형을보여주며 ，힌데미트의 〈실
내음악 1번〉은 독특한 리듬과 대위법적 양식， 그리고 아코디언과 127~
의 독주악기가 풍부한 불협화음을 창출해 큰 주목을 받았다. 오네게르
는 〈퍼시픽 231) (Paci!ic 231, 1923) 에서 새롭게 등장한 증기기관차를
일종의 문명의 상징으로 표현했다. 또한 현대적 주제를 다루는 〈시대
오페라) (ZeitopeIJ가 나타나 현대적 삶의 일상적 사건과 개인적 · 경제
적 정치적 영역에서 나타나는 인간관계를중심주제로다루었다
(4) 신음악 2세대는 대 중성과 예술성의 화합을 추구하고， 재즈와 같은
대중음악을 예술음악에 수용하였다(20세기 22 참조) . 또한 음악의 기능
을 다양한 측면에서 추구해 실용음악을 작곡했다(20세기 2 1 참조) .0) 1920년대 에 신음악 2세대는 청중과의 공감대를 모색하면서 음악의
기농성， 설용성을 중시했다. 실용음악은 가정에서 연주되는 음악， 춤음
악， 영화음악， 라디오음악， 교육용 음악 등과 같이 실용적으로 사용될
수 있는 음악을 의미하는 것으로 음악학자 베셀러 (H. Be잃eler) 에 의해
이론적으로 뒷받침되었다 베셀러는 인간의 삶과 연관되고 청중이 쉽
게 연주하면서 즐길 수 있는 과거(중세나 르네쌍스)의 음악을 이상적 실
용음악으로보았다.
(2) 힌데미트는 음악활동을 하는 아마추어그룹을 중요하게 생각해 이
들을 위한 음악을 작곡했다. 그는 “애호가를 위한 음악， 어 린이를 위한
음악， 라디오음악， 기계적 악기를 위한 음악이 음악회용 음악보다 훨씬
더 중요하다” 라고 주장하였다 그래서 그는 연주자의 능동적 태도와
청중의 수동적 태도가 분리된 것을 비판하면서 , 실제 연주될 수 있거나
실제적 기능성을 가지는 실용음악을 작곡했다. 대표작으로는 〈현악오
케스트라， 플루트， 오보에를 위한 유희음악) (op. 43) ,
крутяк!
predi shid (2:00)
u shit
why u trol
dont flame
stop it
오네게르-퍼시픽231
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Yessssss
Привет!
Wer ist auch nur hier wegen Musikunterricht ?
Mein Kanal ist meine tägliche Musikausbildung. Willkommen in meiner Welt des Lernens und der Schönheit.
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모더니즘 묘사음악의 결정판
I'm actually only clicked on this video,cause we do this at school...😂🤣
Gloria Cloudrock my too 😂😂
LOL hahahahah
lol me to 😂
I can see that at school you don't learn grammar...
Raffaele Pianese
*I can see that at *your* school* ,*
You failed to involve accurate terminology, and punctuation.
🚂😁🎶
Hudba ako pri horore super
anyone here for IB Music TZ1
Yup! But there are no time zones for Music exams.
Me I loved this example it was cool... until I accidentally turned the CD player to max volume...
Same happened to me.. lol!
YES OMG WTF I AM 2020 IB BUT I AM HERE LOL
lol what a coincidence. Gl on your future exams! (even though they are two years away)
I came here for only a homework music subject duck's xD
I came here for homework too:D
Lyrisme sur mesure pour Abel Gance.
Grüße an alle aus der 7b😂
Ja mann mich auch
Bonjour
Je pense M.Honegger avez beaucoup meilleur des ouvres que ca : Parmi, Symphonie #2 des chordes et le #1 Symphony en 1930 et especialment "Symphony Liturgique( J'ai ecoute'. mais savez pas c'est vraie ou non c'est ecrite en prison dans deuxiem guerre ) pouvez pas trouve information oui ou non.
Pero Pacific 231 es un gran movimiento sinfónico. Y no es porque sí que es su obra más conocida
Какой то не весёлый паровозик попался