Why Ferrari’s Race Pace Is Extremely Competitive To Red Bull
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2024
- Why Ferrari’s Race Pace Is Extremely Competitive To Red Bull
Ferrari just won the Australian GP, and even with Max Verstappen getting a DNF. The SF24 showed it is truly a very competitive car. Red bull is worried the Ferrari could be the quicker car depending on track. What has made this new concept work so well for Ferrari with upgrades coming real soon. 
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one of the biggest changes is how much theyve improved now operationally , the pitstops in Australia were all 2.2-2.4 range , no strategy mishaps and Charles went from p4 to p2 comfortably , Fred Vassuer deserves credit for this
Fred is an absolute genius
And he does it all while looking like a fool
@@eden5260 I think he is someone who just doesnt take himself too seriously its refreshing , most TP's are too robotic
@@eden5260that’s the flawed thinking that doesn’t allow people to be who they are
This is also another huge step they took even last year
He's cooking some fine italian dishes. If redbull somehow falls apart and Fred manages to get Newey imagine how dominant ferrari will be. Tifosi will be delighted after all these years
Ferrari is the only team that decided to try something different. They understand that they are not catching RB by simply copying their car. This path at least gives them options.
Whats really impressive is how they have eliminated almost all their weaknesses and turned some into strengths. Tyre wear is super strong, the car is fast on all tracks, not just super low/high speed tracks like the sf-23, it can be setup, and has been bulletproof in terms of reliabiliy. (Both Ferrari and RB failures are from brembo breaks, tho brembo said the RB one was the teams fault) all whilst keeping the cars strenght of massive mechanical grip and power.
Meanwhile, Mclaren have made a step, but still seem a bit high speed corner reliant
Mercedes has gone backwards
And AM have traded race pace for quali pace
I agree and so much more to find in there extremely simple car
@@dylanburston7453really well said
Yep. Tell that to Merc with the SHEETW15
But Red Bull also surprised everyone by completely changing their concept. They didn’t just comfortably stick to their guns, but actually took a risk and went for something completely new. In the end it still paid off as their car is very strong and now they have a completely new concept they can keep developing rather than having the other teams catching up by adopting the RB19 concept.
Not a coincidence that Haas is greatly improved also both Ferrari and Haas had pretty severe tyre wear in race trim but very quick in qualifying trim. Great job by the team in Maranello.
If Max didn't DNF, oh man I think we would've been in for quite a show with Sainz and Max fighting for the win, but again like you said Max is a beast when it comes to tire management.
Yea Maxs bad pace is related to his DNF, his brakes were fucked.
Exactly my friend
For max to win he would have had to finish ATLEAST one minute ahead of Perez , don’t get me wrong it’s obvious how much Perez is struggling and is underperforming , and he is often like 20 seconds - 30 seconds behind max, but max would have to be atleast one minute ahead of Perez for red bull to win , that tells me red bull weren’t so dominant at Australia , and they was a genuine fight .
@@aidenwhelan3973 Yep Red Bull was not miles ahead like they usually are. I am hoping throughout the season we see more fights at the front, because it's looking like Ferrari is going to be cooking this season and giving Red Bull a real fight.
Still a little bit optimistic to see someone else winning apart from Red Bull but it’s exciting to watch the other teams trying to catch up. Certainly Ferrari and McLaren are looking promising….
Funny how people have so much hope after 1 single dnf of max😂
They're on pure copium
Exactly 😂
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RB still fastest but race wise Ferrari is much closer this year than last. If you can’t see that then idk
Y'all talk so much crap better be glad these regs and freezes are in place because red bull would've been down the order had F1 operated like F1 was supposed to do let's Freeze and cap everything so Red Bull and RB won't quit can't stand fanboys funny how this gets overlooked! At least when Hamilton Vettel Alonso and Schumacher and the greats before them won we know it was legit.
An interesting fact I read online after the race is ever since the Australian GP has been held in Melbourne from 1996, every team that has achieved a 1-2 result in Albert Park has gone on to the win that year's Drivers' and Constructors' Championships!😬😬
If you are a Ferrari fan like me,
Hopium brother. Hopium
Geez…such stupid stats…
4:40 Fernando Martin :D :D
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Lets not forget, Mclaren was also not that far from Ferrari. It is hypothetical, but they could also be quite competitive on some circuits.
Great video, love the analysis!
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Another very good and informative video
😁❤️ thank you my friend
Great video as always
❤️❤️ thank you my friend
Who are you 😂😂 what’s your background? Damn you keep cooking 🙌🏿🔥🔥
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Love your videos, don’t stop making them
Always my friend
I mean it's just crazy to think that in two races in a row Charles pulled out the fastest lap on ancient tires on the last lap. When would we ever have expected a FER car to be able to pull off this feat. I think that alone , though a small point is quite illustrative of the gains they have made . Great vid brother AS always !
😂 in Jeddah Max was between backmarkers on track ofc he doesn’t do the fastest lap in that situation. In Melbourne Max wasn’t in the race…..
@@Redlingstein hes talking about ancient tires on the last lap, ferrari cant do that couple season ago.. nothing to do with max good sir
@@aaronyogurt8723point is when max is there he wins by 20 plus without the fastest lap. Almost like he’s got the engine turned down and maintaining the lead. This thread is Ferrari cope
@@__The-Official-Real-Obama__ its nothing to do with Max.. its about Ferrari tires last longer now 😭😭😭😭😭😭
charles is a good track racer not a good passer tho
Awesome vidoe! I really hope we can see a competitive race between Ferrari and Red Bull especially between Max and Charles. Their racing in the beginning of 2022 was so good especially in Jeddah. I want something like that again
Agreed that racing was amazing and thank you 😁❤️
Expect next season
3:40 I remember watching the Race podcast during pre-season and they were highly critical of Ferrari not using the RBR suspension layout. Almost as if suspension layout was the only performance determinant lmao.
I remember them saying the same thing
Great video, no bs no drama no gossip talk only tech and interest for actual racing. As a depressed ferrari fan the direction they have is almost too much hopium. Love your channel man hope it gives you satisfaction!
Thank you my friend ❤️❤️ comments like this make my day
We gotta be careful with this comparison. Max had a mechanical issue that started on the formation lap. I won’t use anything beyond the qualifying session to base my further performance predictions off of. Try to keep things simple and don’t hurt anyone’s confidence if this dramatically changes in Suzuka.
Of course Perez made a insane comment since he got smoked by 2 other teams.
I think in Japan max will win by +20 seconds. I don’t think that will be the case in most races tho
@@F1Unchained That’s bold I like it though.
@@F1Unchainednobody expects Max will win everywhere by 20sec. Its 3rd year of specs…ofc everyone gets closer. Will be interesting to see McLaren and Ferrari fight
It's hard to conclude that they were quicker cos Max DNF and he was quick out of the blocks but for his brake issue. And we can't use Checo as a comparison cos he has had bad performances even last year in a good car. They might have been closer but not sure quicker
Hii, where was this and where can you find these events? Me and my friends have been watching you alot for some years
Let’s see how they do with Max racing the full race. The other races the competition isn’t even close. I’m sure the gap is closer but the modeling and speculation that they are “better” than RB or even equal is a little premature.
As I said with max racing I don’t think there ahead, but had a chance to be ahead even with a healthy max in Australia
@@F1Unchained What was the gap when Max dnfd? More than a sec, there was no chance mate.
WE LOVE THE TECHNICAL VIDEOS ,,,, HOPE THERE IS MORE TO COME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This what I like about ferrari, they haven't followed the rest and changed suspension layouts and gone the red bull way. The have gone in their own direction, think this is why mercedes are having so many problems, they have had either a different chassis, different aero platform, or different suspension on 3 occasions during the 3 seasons. With that amount of change with no figuring out the previous design fully, is a small wonder they don't have previous track data that works or correlation from sim and cfd.
True my friend they have made a great move
Agree Ferrari's tyre deg has improved, But it's a big but. Australia has historically been a good track for Ferrari.
True but worth talking about it when even Red Bull has words for it
On the other hand, Red Bull seem to suffer from that problem. I forgot but wither Max or Checo reported it.
I really don't think sainz would have won if max didn't DNF and I do not believe they will come anywhere near challenging max maybe next year that's a big if..
The only reason why Ferrari did as well as they did was because Max had a freak, seized brake disc & Checo was unfairly penalized after Q3. Until Checo damaged his floor, he had the fastest car 'on track'. If he had clear air then, he would have easily got the fastest lap.
Don't get us wrong, Carlos executed an excellent race, after both RB's were severely penalized.
Im not gonna go round giving WDC shouts but Ferrari certainly look on track to do so in the next couple of seasons
This is exactly what I’m saying
Mate, when will you post an expected upgrades video for the Japan GP...
Tomorrow:)
@@F1Unchained I'm waiting!
I always looked for American based content for F1(always been a challenge). Glad to see these takes that align with my perspective/opinions. Another opinion of mine is that super hardcore American F1 fans have a slightly less biased perspective of the sport.
❤️❤️ I do think we have less bias
Don't get too much hope just yet, even last year, where RBR was completely dominating, there was a race (Singapore) RBR suddenly underperform but then quickly recovered back to their peak form the next race. It might be a closer this year, but the first 2 races were still a clear hint that they're still way ahead of everyone else.
Problem with the example of Max in Mexico GP is because he wasn't under any pressure so he was able to just hit the same lap time on a constant basis but I believe the more there is pressure put on then things could prove to be different especially if there's two Ferraris behind him within 2 seconds
Max ALWAYS drives consitent lap times cos that’s how he manages his tyre wear, he does that in traffic, like starting P9 in Miami and driving P1… … On Classic tracks the RBR is better suited than street tracks, RBR knows that. That’s cos tyre wear on street tracks is not due to overheating but due to graining. The RBR cars handle overheating tyre wear as one of the best on the grid, that’s their strength.
Yay for tyre talk!
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I think in that race Carlos was faster than Max even ig he didnt had brake failure, but was Max slower than Charles, i think not
I've just started the video. I'm not sure if it is mentioned further in, but McLaren is on very good pace as well
There definitely a contender
Bro, please make the video on how well the ferrari car suits lewis driving style 🙏
It will be more fitting when we see him there :)
Somewhere Lewis is sipping some herbal tea and licking his chops . Lewis has a talent with tires.
He's sipping liquorless liquor@@dcrasta! Cheers! 💜💜💜
Would be really curious whether there based on the three first races, and the differences between Red Bulls, Ferrari, and McLaren you identify, you could look ahead to the tracks this season, and take an educated guess at which trucks will suit which car?
Mclaren will be very strong at Japan and probably second
They will all bring updates… especially for RBR with the new concept, that will influence the results on certain tracks.
Hope atleast Ferrari can challenge Red Bull ❤.
I think they can my friend
Ok so are we gonna get a 2017 Merc-Ferrari or is it too much to have an outside hope of a fight?
Not like 2017 yet
Checo needs to be P2 or P3 as many times as possible….last season he was the weakest link. That’s why Horner said that this year Checo needs to deliver cos for the Constructors championship it will be much tighter this season, if teams stay consistent that is.
According to German outlet Auto Motor und Sport, a Fernando Alonso tear-off visor got stuck in one of Sergio Perez’s ‘underbody channels’ - disrupting the airflow and downforce produced by his car.
Yep, nice coincidence to say, hey lets deflect. The guy pushed that is why hamilton etc was saying it was a rocketship, but then tire degradation kicked in, as for other teams.
Ferrari had always great mechanical grip even 2021 car this reason why Ferrari is always great in Monaco because you need mechanical grip
Agreed
That tied with the small turbo which gives great acceleration pretty much made them as good as RB on some street tracks, even with a car as shit as the sf23
so my f1 manager save isnt lying, red bull is is a really good high speed car and ferrari is a really good low speed car
dont give us hope for a title challenge 🥴
We still won’t have that now unless Ferrari brings huge upgrades to continue improving
@@F1UnchainedThey will bring big Upgrades ether in Japan or Imola
@jonasbecker6554 RedBull is bringing water skis to Japan! Lookout! .... Seriously though, can you say "Quarter pod"? It's the next evolution of the RB20, and what Mercedes SHOULD have done on the W13/14/14B if They knew what They were doing..... The win will likely come from His ability to drive in the rain though.....
😂😂😂 2 dominant wins by Max… and 1 DNF…and you think Sainz has the upper hand? 😂 fantasy much lol
Max finished Bahrain and Saudi 18-22 second ahead of Sainz and Carlos, I am not too sure what would make anyone think Carlos would have beaten Max at Australia. Still nice tyre information.
Thank you ❤️ and I’m Bahrain they both had problems on brakes but for Saudi the Red Bull was dominant
ahead of sainz and carlos?
Beautifulness and preciseness are not words. Please use beauty and precision.
You're expecting too much, the vast majority of yanks are poorly educated
Yes Verstappen is super consistent, but in the comparison with Perez, Max is in clean air compared to Perez behind others
Max is ALWAYS consistent, also in traffic….. it’s how he takes care of his tyres even when he needs to come from P9 like in Miami
Yay!!! Ferrari hopefully Sainz and Lecrec be consistent…always looking forward to your videos ❤👍
Thank you 😁❤️❤️
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Fernando Martin :D
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Kudos to the Maranello's engineer for all the hard work during the winter. I think its too early too judge Ferrari's chance regarding championship but as long as their upgrade seems to be well operate within the car and improving their overall performance then we can expect an even closer fight against the Red Bull. 🤞🏻
😂😂😂😂 AS IF RBR WONT BRING UPDATES ALL SEASON……….
@@Redlingstein i'm not saying Red Bull won't bring update tho
Well see how bad the Ferrari really is when tyre deg is determined by load instead of temprature and compound in Japan, i suspect RB and Max in particular is going to murder the rest of the field.
I do think Red Bull with be much stronger here
I appreciate your insights, F1Reeves.
Thank you my friend 😁❤️ I like f1reeves hahaha
@@F1Unchained LOL... Cheers Cuz🍻
I still need to see the Red Bull in Max's hands on a circuit like Suzuka, Catalunya etc. In Bahrain we haven't seen the best of Ferrari, in Saudi there wasn't really tyre wear nor was there reason for Max to push and in Australia the Red Bull had the most trouble with graining and of course Max DNFd.
Agreed and very well put
in bahrain one of the drivers said that the redbull with the softs can go nearly same amount of rounds like others with hards. if this is true i dont think somebody can beat them with tireware
7:38 I am not so sure about this. Because in most if not all the races in the past couple of years Max has never had to push the car to get the win. So obviously he will just look at the delta and try to keep the lap times consistent.
It would be pretty interesting to see what he would do when there is some competition around. Let's hope this season will be a good one.
Given that Max DNF the ability of the RB20 to not tear up its' tires as fuel load decreases has not much merit. Max has shown he can nurse the tires as needed to pull off the win. Also as Brundle has stated Max is comfortable with the uncomfortable.
Also Carlos did not have Max pushing him so would the SF24 been as gentle on its' tires had Max been in the race. Would Carlos even had won?
Does the Ferrari show good promise? In a word yes. It would be prudent to judge when there is a full length race between them. And anyone thinking RB has exhausted its bag of tricks to win races is swimming against the current.
Lastly Ferrari has historically found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The race strategists have yet to prove their worth over the course of a full campaign.
Well said
After one race 😂😂
You forgot to mention that Perez said this before he knew he had floor damage.
Can't wait for 25 & even 26.
But Ferrari doesn't have Verstappen.
And Red bull's engineers and pit crew also seem to be way better.
but charles is there drivers are not the problem at ferrari pit crew is up there this year the only thing which is inferior are the quality of engineers which will also be fixed for next year
In regards to strategy we'll have to wait and see if Ferrari improve as they're known for consistently bottling strategy when things get competitive. Also next year they'll have Lewis. I don't want to hear more of this bullshit that's he's washed and finished. If he's given a car on a similar level to Red Bull, I'm confident he'll return to form and all the haters will look so stupid.
What are these Ferrari B-Rolls. They look sooooooooooooooooo sick!!!!!!
4:41 ah yes Fernando Martin, 2 time WDC who drives for Aston Alonso! 🔥
The king
There's still that 0.5 or 0.6 sec race pace gap to Redbull. If they get their updates right they might reduce it significantly.
A 0.2 gap means that qualifying becomes much more important, and races become much harder cause you might be faster but you still have to overtake on the the track, and any mistake might be fatal.
Max was out after having issue from race start & Perez had damaged floor, so how can anybody possibly know without any real data!! This is just a shot in the dark!!
I showed even in that data graph to not look at when Perez had damage and leclerc was faster
@@F1UnchainedDon't you think Perez isn't a reliable benchmark? After all, we saw him finish behind others multiple times when Max is having comfortable wins! But still it'll be an exciting season if their cars are having similar race pace.
Agree. Its way to premature. We need a few more different tracks to see a pattern. All 3 so far are outlier tracks. Which don’t say anything abt the rest of the season, all teams said so in interviews these last 3 races.
@@F1UnchainedCheco is not a reliable benchmark to compare Ferrari with RBR, if you would have done that last season 😂….
Perez never was a tyre whisperer. Being slow is not tyre wear mastery.
Answer: it’s not.
Max didn’t race last week and in the other 2 races it wasn’t close. Japan will also not be close.
Thank god Ferrari is stepping up! Im a Red Bull fan but i don't want them to win constantly at least not without a fight. It is way more excoting when there is a Championship fight on the go!
Ferrari doesn't in normal circumstances. Australia was a outlier because it was so hot. Unexpectedly hot. RB was able to prep for Jeddah and Bahrain. Aus, not so much. It caught them lacking, and Ferrari being good enough in hot temps (they've been like that for years) meant they were prepped for a good race.
And that's when the RB's had damage. lol. They're getting waxed at Suzuka
Although we can all agree that red bull are still the clear favourites I don't think it should be too surprising if Ferrari manages to get a few wins here and there or at least make life difficult for Max. But certainly a step in the right direction for Ferrari, curious to see how far they can go
Agreed
Not when there's thermal deg. The more thermal deg the stronger red bull are in races. There was no thermal deg in Australia. In Bahrain there was alot of thermal deg hence Red Bull won by alot, in saudi less hence red bull won by less there.
Will have to see but interesting point. The gap would have been way less if Ferrari wasn’t having brake problems in both cars
Exactly!
@@F1Unchainedthey had brake issues but Max didn’t drive on max either…. So he could’ve been faster too…
Too soon to properly judge but it seems that ferrari are really improving. The thing is that RBR might have more performance left on their pockets as I'm not sure they're giving 100% yet. Japan will be a good measure about that and the actual order.
I still have virtually zero belief that this year will be competitive at the very front, but Ferrari is my main hope currently. Mclaren and Aston Martin I can't see them quite making it for this year and next year, and Mercedes are just tragic, I've fully given up on them.
(Every few seasons one teams car seems to come to the fore and arguably Ferrari’s success is quite a few years overdue)- so I hope they continue to be successful for the next few seasons for the good of the sport globally..
Ferrari needs to close the 0.3 sec race pace gap to red bull this year & maybe then we can hope for a title challenge in 2025.
In the interim, a few race wins (5-6) in 2024 will be a successful season for them.
My thought process as well
What gap? Perez was a minute behind! 54 seconds exactly
@@QuerientjeOh dear.....read the comment again. It refers to Ferrari's race pace over the season that needs to improve by 0,3 sec to Red Bull, which I agree with.
@@DarkAlias78 to max😄
Ferrari are trying somthing different and it’s working I expect McLaren and Ferrari to be the leading forces fighting with redbull for the next few yewrs
Seems like it my friend
We saw that the first 2 races
Right but those tracks were great for RedBull and Ferrari had issues on both cars in Bahrain
@@F1Unchained same with redbull last race. But i think they have a big chance of winning the constructors championship because i see perez losing to those 2 ferrari's. I dont know what the data shows because i only watch the fps, qualification and the race but what ive seen is redbull did loose some fast corner speed but gained in the low speed corners. Ferrari gained in the fast corners and was already strong in low speed corners overal i think the redbull is still faster because its above average in every type of corner and in straight line speed.
@@daanklas776you saw wrong lol watch on Yt the comparison of Max with Carlos on Quali lap. Then you’ll see that FERRARI was the one with better slow cornering and RBR with better fast corners.
Max always foucusses on the corner EXIT to take the most speed with him onto the fast corner or straight that follows. Max sacrifices the corner entry a bit for the better corner exit.
Watch that vid online, it shows it with the 2 cars in cartoon on track.
to me in this season the RedBull and Max Verstappen will still be very dominant, i don't think ferrari can neither compete for the constructors since Perez seems to be back in shape. Ferrari this year could get a few wins in tracks with high graining and in 2025 could look to finally make a competitive car.
Fernando Martin!!!!
Vasseur really is doing the impossible
So is this the reason HAAS is finishing in the points?
No Haas made their own updates…..
Ok, just remember I have watched F1 since Andretti won the WC and I live in North Carolina. To hear about HAAS or this news about HAAS is very interesting. I made this statement after hearing an American state that Ferrari now had this speed advantage in Australia. I can relay this guys YT channel. But thanks.
Fernando Martin 🤔 😅
You know it
we all know that in japan max will be 20 sec ahead
Hopefully leclerc gets to grips with the car,he struggled in Australia but i felt like he had it all under control in the last stint when he was quite a bit faster than sainz on older tyres.Hopefully he can do it in suzuka and extract that extra 10s in race time
To be honest Charles was the fastest in the race, he Lost 7s to Sainz when behind Norris, and despite a worse strategy because he had to undercut Norris, he only finished 3s off the lead. To be honest he Lost the race during quali
@@emanuelecaselli6395 2s actually and yes I know he was the faster driver in the race but we can't afford such quali mistakes
@@greenfj1466 I mean After 7 front row in succession it's not a big deal. Even because he started P4, not on the back of the grid
@@emanuelecaselli6395 But in the end he lost to carlos,he shouldn't be losing to anyone
You didn’t address the difference of graining vs thermo degradation
i do still think Redbull is some ways ahead on these tracks, Max was afterall only "slow" because of his car killing itself. But seriously, Ferrari might have some chance for 2025, with a really good 2024 concept to build on, and they will have the strongest lineup on the grid for 2025. Depending on who's in the 2nd Redbull seat and if said driver delivers, maybe Ferrari has a chance to steal the WCC for 2025. I still think they will be behind, but not by much at all
Unrelated, but I'm starting to think low deg in general would bring any somewhat poorly performing car, regardless of general pace, to at least a very competitive midfielder, as long as it's not sorely lacking in literally eveyrthing else. This did well for Aston last year, and now Ferrari, I think good tyre wear performance is severely underestimated by both the teams and the fans.......what do you think?
Redbull have the raw pace seemingly, so would it not be rational for them to focus their development primarily on tire wear?
Fred and Lewis in 2025 gonna be lit!
2:30 all the other teams studying the water flowing off the rb20
They have definitely seen it
They were close because 1 of max rear brakes was stuck on 😂😂
In Bahrain and Jeddah Max’ race pace was fastest. In Melbourne RBR had the same issue as in Vegas. That’s a track specific issue.
Ferrari will always find a way to fuck up
Tradition
Don't give me hope!
are you guys serious? xD. Max had opened up 1.5 secs in 1 lap with a messed up brake. You think the race would have been competitive? xD
He only opened up slightly over 1 sec because of the fighting for position
@@F1Unchained don't get me wrong, i would love a competitive season, but we all saw the first two races, and Checo is deffinitely not Max, we know this.
... or temperature (not tempature)
Lmao. Educated opinion?
Bahrain is not thermal degradation Bahrain is physical deg
Think about it..... GOOD = pull + push OR push + pull VERSUS BAD = pull + pull OR push + push
Right but both suspensions can extract a lot
Red Bull is still winning both WCs, let's not get our hopes up, but I do believe Ferrari may win few more GPs this year. Especially If the upgrades work as intended. We shall see.
Not until Max driving redbull..if Lewis gets in Ferrari and he still has it then only Ferrari would be competitive otherwise it's nearly impossible to catch Max in a redbull
Imagine hearing Lewis shouting "Dai Forza Ferrari" in 2025
I must have woken up in an alternate universe where Verstappen hasnt won every race he has finished, taken 3 poles and was leading with a break issue when Ferrari finnaly caught up. I guess if there is a band wagon to jump on it, these channels will all jump on it.
"Suspension set ups are overrated", Ferrari