Avalanche has -4 priority so your speed doesnt matter, it only gets boosted if your opponent attacks you. Also, it boosts its power,so it doesnt get boosted by technician
It would be annoying to organize but a 6 player tournament where each person is stuck with a single stat to remove from their whole team to see which stat is the least needed
Avalanche's boost happens if you take damage since it's negative priority anyways. Sheer Force negates chance secondary effects, so scale shot on Garchomp could've worked normally for the speed boost since it's guaranteed.
Sheer force scale shot does work but it’s not because it’s guaranteed. Other moves with guaranteed effects like mystical fire or mortal spin have their effect negated. I don’t know why it works but it could be because it boosts one stat and lowers the other.
@@Hawaiian_Tiger07 it's a bit complicated for Scale Shot, since stat decreasing moves are not included or they would be too OP (like Close Combat for example). Since Scale Shot has both stat increase and decrease it's not been included as affected by sheer force.
Loved this concept, however I think this could potentially get a fun modifier to it. What if you are forced to lower 1 stat but you can then take that stat's number and put it into other catagorys on the mon. This can make it more interesting as if you risk nerfing a mons high stat to buff it in areas it isn't as good.
I have an idea for a battle… you swap a Pokémon’s highest and lowest stats, 10 defense and 130 special attack for example, would swap, becoming 130 defense and 10 special attack
I'm fairly sure Smogon sets use moves specifically to hard counter one pokemon so unless he had an Onix or something I think ice beam may have been a wasted move spot 😂
I was curious so I looked into where he got the set from, it's from gen 7 zu and the tier contains torterra, marowak and golem as maybe potential options for why it runs it. It also usually has sheer force + life orb so even though it has bad spa it probably still does decent damage. Obviously without that combo it makes much less sense to run it as well.
At lvl 100 most stats will still be relatively high even at 0 or 1 base stat values if they don't remove the 31 ivs, which is still fair game. Though I do think a couple of the recaps weren't showing the correct values either
Heres a video idea Redistribute stats for the same total BST So for example with Meloetta she has 600 bst You could make it so only 2 points are given to the attack stat and everything else keeps the 100 points except HP where the 98 points taken could go making it 198 HP Or you could make a mon thats min maxed very balanced like making Regieleki no longer a complete glass canon by taking some of its extremely unnecessarily high speed and unused attack stat and puttting it into its bulk Or just a complete stat swap
It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Even before watching this video even I knew with horn leech and earthquake nobody cares about special attack on a Gogoat. That would be as dumb as investing special attack on a Machamp or Conkeldur... if that makes sense. So yeah... definitely was a good move to cut the special attack of a pokemon that does not need it.
To be fair it's possible that a lot of the recaps were showing incorrect stats and they still kept ivs at 31 to make the stats not absolutely terrible even at base 0 or 1for the ones that matter like speed, defenses and hp
Do it again like this but other person chooses the pokemon and the state which is have to decrease without knowing the pokemon. I think that will better
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they should do a video like this except you take all the removed points from whatever stat and redistribute them to the rest of the stats per your choice
I think this gimmick doesn’t really work when each player is both selecting their Pokemon and the debuff for that Pokemon. It means that everyone will naturally give the least important debuffs they can and the concept stops mattering much. I think a better version would be either having the opponent choosing the debuff, or you could do a video where every Pokemon has to use its lower attacking stat.
How about a video where: You can bork a stat to the max, but one stat goes to nothing. Can only choose the stat to max once. OR- you can half bork two stats (raise two stats 50%) and reduce one 25%.
Meloettas stats are not all the same, lol. It's a special focused mon with the other form being a Physical Glass cannon instead. Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Shaymin (land form) and victini. Pretty sure those are the mythicals to follow that 600 evenly distributed stat spread
20 sided dice decides which "then we fight" video you use. Flip a coin to decide which player in the video to take a pokemon from. Then roll a 6 sided dice to decide which pokemon you get from that team
All leftovers for items is so lame. Just feels like the safest option. I would love to see some more unique items with these challenges. Something like you chose the stat to remove but then pick the item and your opponent cannot use that item.
I mean...if the item is REALLY good, why wouldn't they use it? They want to play and have fun, but they also want to win, you know? Plus some items are way too situational, like...if your opponent doesn't have set up moves, Mirror Herb is useless, and then there are berries that reduces the damage of certain types, but if the enemy doesn't have that type of move, boom, useless item, there is also Weakness Policy...enemy with no super effective moves against your Pokémon? Useless item too. Then you take Choice Scarf, 99% of the Then We Fight video have this item, why? Because it's REALLY good, same with Leftovers. Taking away the options just because it's "used too often" is just terrible, it's like with the Pokémon...oh man, i have to choose between an Kyurem Black, or an Finneon, I WONDER WHO I SHOULD CHOOSE, hmm, maybe i will make my team worse of purpose, picking an Pokémon that i DON'T like, and that is clearly not making my team better like Kyurem Black would, just because this Pokémon doesn't get picked more often...you get what i mean? Having battles for fun is fine, but you ARE going to try your best, and "make the best teams we possibly can", and let's just say that, if the "stronger" Pokémon isn't getting nerfed in the video, no one will choose Finneon over an actually stronger or more useful Pokémon...same goes for items.
Feel like Tobin was the only one taking away the stats 😂
Except on like rotom who was in the 200s lol
Lack of communication on that probably
No he took away the stats just nit in the preview. No way a +1 duskmane gets outsped otherwise
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Colpa hoping for a flinch when he has Sheer Force on Garchomp.........😅
Avalanche has -4 priority so your speed doesnt matter, it only gets boosted if your opponent attacks you. Also, it boosts its power,so it doesnt get boosted by technician
technician loaded dice icicle spear on lapras was right there
And a glass cannon
I can just picture Dylan yelling that aloa golem is such a terrible Pokemon
Tobin really misunderstood how avalanche works lol
Lowering HP to make a defensive set was quite the thing
Yea why not just attack Stat LOL
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I have a stat for you tobin, you were my third most watched gaming content creator this year!
It would be annoying to organize but a 6 player tournament where each person is stuck with a single stat to remove from their whole team to see which stat is the least needed
I like this idea
Its a cool idea except it would be hp without a doubt
I mean do speed and then trick room the field? Depend ls on how you can build the team.
Zapdos with 6 atk is by far the funniest thing i seen
no
Avalanche's boost happens if you take damage since it's negative priority anyways.
Sheer Force negates chance secondary effects, so scale shot on Garchomp could've worked normally for the speed boost since it's guaranteed.
Sheer force scale shot does work but it’s not because it’s guaranteed. Other moves with guaranteed effects like mystical fire or mortal spin have their effect negated. I don’t know why it works but it could be because it boosts one stat and lowers the other.
@@Hawaiian_Tiger07 it's a bit complicated for Scale Shot, since stat decreasing moves are not included or they would be too OP (like Close Combat for example). Since Scale Shot has both stat increase and decrease it's not been included as affected by sheer force.
Avalanche I'm pretty sure just does more damage if you go last. I don't think you have to take damage for it to do more
@dyal91189 you do need to take damage. It had a negative priority, so going last doesn't matter anyways.
Loved this concept, however I think this could potentially get a fun modifier to it.
What if you are forced to lower 1 stat but you can then take that stat's number and put it into other catagorys on the mon.
This can make it more interesting as if you risk nerfing a mons high stat to buff it in areas it isn't as good.
So I think you pushed colpa over the edge 😂
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I have an idea for a battle… you swap a Pokémon’s highest and lowest stats, 10 defense and 130 special attack for example, would swap, becoming 130 defense and 10 special attack
I'm fairly sure Smogon sets use moves specifically to hard counter one pokemon so unless he had an Onix or something I think ice beam may have been a wasted move spot 😂
I was curious so I looked into where he got the set from, it's from gen 7 zu and the tier contains torterra, marowak and golem as maybe potential options for why it runs it. It also usually has sheer force + life orb so even though it has bad spa it probably still does decent damage. Obviously without that combo it makes much less sense to run it as well.
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What you mean by Zero .
Zero State Or EV
At lvl 100 most stats will still be relatively high even at 0 or 1 base stat values if they don't remove the 31 ivs, which is still fair game. Though I do think a couple of the recaps weren't showing the correct values either
Heres a video idea
Redistribute stats for the same total BST
So for example with Meloetta she has 600 bst
You could make it so only 2 points are given to the attack stat and everything else keeps the 100 points except HP where the 98 points taken could go making it 198 HP
Or you could make a mon thats min maxed very balanced like making Regieleki no longer a complete glass canon by taking some of its extremely unnecessarily high speed and unused attack stat and puttting it into its bulk
Or just a complete stat swap
It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Even before watching this video even I knew with horn leech and earthquake nobody cares about special attack on a Gogoat. That would be as dumb as investing special attack on a Machamp or Conkeldur... if that makes sense.
So yeah... definitely was a good move to cut the special attack of a pokemon that does not need it.
Tobin makes his 0 but not him?
bro this video was a clear sweep 😭 if he had lowered his stats more, this wouldn’t of even been a video.
To be fair it's possible that a lot of the recaps were showing incorrect stats and they still kept ivs at 31 to make the stats not absolutely terrible even at base 0 or 1for the ones that matter like speed, defenses and hp
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Future idea make one stat zero take the number in that stat added to any other stat.
damn trick room policy dawn necrozma wouldve went hard with 0 speed
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The necrozma could've been ran with weakness policy and Morning sun and ran as a bulky sweeper
Do it again like this but other person chooses the pokemon and the state which is have to decrease without knowing the pokemon. I think that will better
You should do this again but increase a separate stat by how much you lowered the other one
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AMAZING VIDEO from Tobin! 🎮 I really enjoyed how each Pokémon's power was entirely dependent on a specific stat, which determined how they performed in battle. 🐉⚔ Especially when it comes to reducing that stat to 0 and seeing how the battle fares-IT'S A GAME-CHANGER! 💥 It was super fun to watch-W SHORTTEMPERED IN THE CHAT! 🏆👏
they should do a video like this except you take all the removed points from whatever stat and redistribute them to the rest of the stats per your choice
leftovers on garchomp with no hp
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I think a cool idea for a video would be make one stat 0 like this but also making another stat 255 so you get both extremes
I think this gimmick doesn’t really work when each player is both selecting their Pokemon and the debuff for that Pokemon. It means that everyone will naturally give the least important debuffs they can and the concept stops mattering much.
I think a better version would be either having the opponent choosing the debuff, or you could do a video where every Pokemon has to use its lower attacking stat.
The peach ring flavor from gfuel is really good too.
Sheeeesh i caught this one EARLY 🎉
GoGoat the Go-GOAT
How about a video where:
You can bork a stat to the max, but one stat goes to nothing. Can only choose the stat to max once.
OR- you can half bork two stats (raise two stats 50%) and reduce one 25%.
9:04 silly it can’t take damage from sandstorms anyways
Gogoat the GOAT
"It's a good day to be a Tobin" I agree.. but you spelled it wrong.. lol
Technician Lapras is actually fire. Anyone know if avalanche does get boosted or not?
There are ways around Levitate
5:50 why did you not get rid of spatk bro
Yeah, same
I want to see min max! Do the same but maximise one and nurf the other 🎉
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Meloetta is a Mythical but it doesnt have 100 across the board
Meloettas stats are not all the same, lol. It's a special focused mon with the other form being a Physical Glass cannon instead. Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Shaymin (land form) and victini. Pretty sure those are the mythicals to follow that 600 evenly distributed stat spread
How dare you forget about shaymin :(
@crypto9938 Ooos, true. Definitely not the first time i forget about Shaymin and it wont be last lmao
20 sided dice decides which "then we fight" video you use.
Flip a coin to decide which player in the video to take a pokemon from.
Then roll a 6 sided dice to decide which pokemon you get from that team
You shoukd've randomized which stat it was so you didnt know until you got it
sturdy Pokemon with one hp would have cooked
Dude sandstorm don't hurt rock type
What about the pokemons highest stat becomes zero?
Why they are talking about speed for avalanche. Avalanche is a negative priority move
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Man the way you. Guys are runnjng these mons are whacky. 4:33
Trick room? 6:18
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Meloettas stats are not all the same
But she does have 128 attack special attack special defense and speed tho (technically)
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Colpa definitely cheating
One minute lol😮
2 hours ago and kinda late
All leftovers for items is so lame. Just feels like the safest option. I would love to see some more unique items with these challenges. Something like you chose the stat to remove but then pick the item and your opponent cannot use that item.
I mean...if the item is REALLY good, why wouldn't they use it? They want to play and have fun, but they also want to win, you know? Plus some items are way too situational, like...if your opponent doesn't have set up moves, Mirror Herb is useless, and then there are berries that reduces the damage of certain types, but if the enemy doesn't have that type of move, boom, useless item, there is also Weakness Policy...enemy with no super effective moves against your Pokémon? Useless item too. Then you take Choice Scarf, 99% of the Then We Fight video have this item, why? Because it's REALLY good, same with Leftovers. Taking away the options just because it's "used too often" is just terrible, it's like with the Pokémon...oh man, i have to choose between an Kyurem Black, or an Finneon, I WONDER WHO I SHOULD CHOOSE, hmm, maybe i will make my team worse of purpose, picking an Pokémon that i DON'T like, and that is clearly not making my team better like Kyurem Black would, just because this Pokémon doesn't get picked more often...you get what i mean? Having battles for fun is fine, but you ARE going to try your best, and "make the best teams we possibly can", and let's just say that, if the "stronger" Pokémon isn't getting nerfed in the video, no one will choose Finneon over an actually stronger or more useful Pokémon...same goes for items.
Gotta love the leftovers no hp garchomp
Literally any other item would be better
@@Tryingtofindacreativename i mean...you never know, and again, as you even said, it's a safe item, so...
I agree this would be way more hype with mirror herbs and focus bands and other crazy content strats
@zplazma5557 exactly. There are some really cool items that never get to shine.
kolpa really stupid ahahahahh😂😂😂😂😂😂
6 seconds ago lol
Yeay under 10 min