The Damian Lillard Problem
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- With the Damian Lillard trade request dominating the NBA offseason, the Portland Trail Blazers are in a difficult position. The Miami Heat are the top suitors for Dame at the moment, with a potential Tyler Herro trade package being the focal point of the deal.
The rift between Dame and Portland has been growing ever larger for years now, and with it finally at a tipping point, the Blazers are just hoping to capitalize on his trade value as much as possible. But a Damian Lillard Miami Heat trade would likely not net Portland nearly enough to make them even remotely interested in moving him. With Damian Lillard's agent reportedly warning other front offices not to trade for him, things have become even more complicated.
This whole ordeal spawns a very interesting conversation about the supermax contract in the NBA, and how it punishes teams and players for being loyal to one another. Damian Lillard has always been constantly mentioned in NBA trade rumors, but Dame time has come to an end in Portland.
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Where do you think Dame ends up? 👇
Hopefully Detroit.
Brooklyn
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In Minnesota for KAT straight up, hopefully.
GSW in 3 weeks
It’s a lose-lose situation for the front office tbh. If they don’t trade Dame to Miami they’ll be critized for not respecting Dames wishes. But if they trade him to the heat, they’ll be criticized for the bad return package. Hard pill to swallow.
Not really, because Portland has all the leverage here, they can just shelf dame for a year, even 2 if need be until they get a reasonable package. As they would be rebuilding and tanking anyway after trading dame, they do not need the assets now and have all the time in the world. Dames camp made a huge mistake here not understanding they have 0 leverage in this.
The bad return package can hurt them on the long term so I'd rather be criticized for not respecting Dames wishes. Also at the end of the day, it's still business so I don't get why Dame and his agent would have childish acts calling other teams to not trade for him.
@@cadrollhunting3564 Like I said. The front office loses regardless. They’ll be criticized no matter what.
@@sakamoto8354 exactly my point. What’s more important, Dame or the fans. Look at Boston, they don’t care who they trade or cut, they always do what’s good for the organization. It’s just business.
Blazers paid dame half a billion dollars. That’s mans great great great gran kids are set for life. They don’t owe him anything, front office can come out on top if they do right by the fans by getting a great return for a star player. Dame can go to a Boston or Philly and still compete and fans in Portland won’t feel robbed. Not entirely a “lose - lose” scenario.
That little weird love thing Dame and the Portland front office had was weird. No one is irreplaceable. Should’ve traded him two years ago and gotten so many picks to put your franchise in a great position.
Well the Blazers were so trash that even with Lillard they got 2 lottery picks in the past 2 years so it really didn't even matter for them. The loser in this was Lillard. He just wasted 2 years.
That wasn’t a great move on Dame’s agent. Portland likely said they’d trade Lillard for the best package in order to drive Miami’s price up. His agent doing this allows Miami to not offer as much slowing down the trade
Yea, what the hell. Isn't this the opposite of what an agent is supposed to do? I thought they were supposed to represent their clients to get the most favourable deals on their behalf. Airing out this dirty laundry is such a sneak move. Reminds me of Westbrook's agent taking shots at Russ a few months back, just ugly all around.
Not enough people talk about that last part. The supermax was designed to help teams, it seems like most of the time it’s only been hurting them.
You are exactly correct! There is no reason why Portland had to trade Dame to Miami - NONE!
You're right they don't have too but they should. Dame could have and should have left many many years ago but he decided to stay, now it's they're turn to pay it back. It's different than James Harden because he requests a trade every other season.
If they don't at least trade him to a serious contender, it will basically be another fucking blow to player loyalty, so don't fucking cry when you favourite player team hops.
trading Dame to Miami will bring them the highest possible trade return. Unless Boston trades Jaylen Brown (w the agreement he’ll extend).
@@aqua_serene dame staying hurt portland as much as portland hurt dame
@@aqua_sereneMiami doesn’t get Dame for Herro and two picks. Get real
Yeah I hope 3-5 teams get involved so everyone can be happy with what they get.
Woj's article specifically said that the agent calling other front offices thing is not a new move
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Thank you for putting out a reasonable take! Missing is the fact of the hand shake deal with the front office about trading the picks and what the Gm said at the end of last season saying he and the blazers owed it to Dame to put all the chips in to win!
But some people are assuming there were good offers available. Based on what Miami’s offering for Dame, it is very possible there have been no good offers available for trading the picks.
@@Kennyisdarkvanilla but the mavs got better with worse assets…. And no one wants to see that either
I think Portland made a crucial mistake that makes the potential Dame to Miami trade even more complicated is that Joe Cronin has "revealed" his hand by publicly stating that he's not impressed with what Miami was offering, pointing out that he does not want Tyler Herro. The Heat were willing to oblige and look for a 3rd team to help getting it done, but Cronin's words may've reached to other GM's who might not be willing to give away players and picks that would be used to be re-routed to Portland (teams like San Antonio, Utah or OKC). The Nets are more willing to be part of it, but that's because they want to dump Ben Simmons and his awful contract and that will most likely happen - Portland will get Ben Simmons and Duncan Robinson (maybe throw in Royce O'Neal or Dinwiddie as well) + some 1st rounders. Cronin will then have no choice by take the L and resign as GM.
i think dame will eventually be traded to the heat right now we are seeing a leverage battle dame and his agent are telling other teams off so they have to most leverage when negotiating with the blazers gm joe cronin on getting him to the heat while joe cronin is trying to show he will listen to other trade offers besides miami to get leverage saying to dame hey we don’t have to trade you to heat you don’t have a no trade clause like bradley beal we can trade you to whatever team we think gives us the best trade package which is why we won’t see a dame trade for another couple weeks or even month
There’s no other willing trade partners w more assets than Miami. This all negotiation tactic which is normal. But at the end of the day, the most valuable return would be from Miami and before the season starts. The only better package than Miami’s is if Boston trades Brown (w the agreement he’ll extend in Portland).
I don't see that Boston dream happening
New Orleans can easily offer a better package (Ingram/Zion, Alvarado, Nance, draft comp, Trey/Herb)
@@johnrouguine3090 New Orleans could do that theoretically for sure, they’re a wildcard. But with all that instability, im not sure Dame is the guy to go all in for from New Orleans perspective. He’s 33 and explicitly doesn’t wanna be there, i doubt N.O. wants to add that chaos to their situation w Zion. They just haven’t expressed all that much interest to invest their draft assets in Dame.
Portland screwed this up by not trading him earlier, when Dame hadnt been totally explicit about wanting to be traded... By delaying this, Portland forced Dame to be explicit -- which reduces Portland's leverage. Portland tried to take advantage of Dames loyalty comments, forcing him to do something he didnt want (explicitly ask out). All around shitty situation induced by Portlands really bad management, which doesnt realize did a poor job in exploiting Dames window and tried to take advantage of him
I think a Dame for Jaylen Brown trade would be interesting. If Boston signed Brown to a max deal, I think the money would work out. I've heard Brown doesn't like Boston as a City. He'd go from a contender to a non-contender but he'd get his 5 year/295 million max. contract.
just come to Orlando, Dame. It's close enough to Miami :P
The return this, the return that. What about that lockers room and the development of Scoot, etc? Dame said "I have no appetite for 19 yr olds". He has checked out. Keeping him now is spiteful, esp. If we talking over one damn pick😒
From the perspective of another GM I can see being hesitant with him being unhappy and requesting another trade and then getting less value than what you traded for him next year.
I totally agree, Dame is great, but as a GM, I can’t give my star player up for pennies on a dollar.
You're so proud of do you're under contract for 4 more years.. If you want it out, you shouldn't sign the contract for big time Money. you want out now deal with it.. You went back on your word as a man. now you have to deal with the Situation that it is .which you have created by signing the contract.
Its a players league. Dame will be in miami by mid july. Superstars always get their way. Especially universally beloved superstars. The longer the wait, the less assets portland wll get.
Miami offer would be just as bad a few years from now so yeah
Exactly. Teams can't be seen as not catering to super stars or else they'll never attract them in free agency. Not that Portland is a destination, but teams want players to perceive them as respectful of players. Portland already has a bad rap for failing to build a proper contender around Same.
Damian Lillard is a great player but he somehow manages to avoid criticism or fault for the Trail Blazers shortcomings because he hit some big shots. Being clutch shouldn't absolve Damien of any responsibility for the team's failures.
Tanking his own trade value might have done enough damage that it outweighs the limited success he brought to the team.
In dame's 11 loyal year stay with the blazers they made it to the playoffs 7 times, he put them in relevancy its DAME TIME! The last 2 seasons forcibly tanked by incompetent GM cronin, Dame by himself being an top 5 offence in the league playing with 19 year olds is somehow an villain for wanting to become nba champion? But when the blazers draft his replacement thats cool, aight loyalty goes both ways
Nah........this was a thing long before he was ever drafted. Portland is notorious for being cheap, not buying into winning and not investing in real talent. The trailblazers are just a fun business venture for their owner, he could care less about actually winning.
Minnesota should try to pick him up. Send KAT or Rudy and see what happens
Can’t compare this to the Kawai situation because that raptor team was in a right situation at the right time.
Well if the blazers don’t trade him to the heat then loyalty will be truly dead lol no players gonna ever wanna be loyal to a organization ever again as they should
So now i need a sequel thats an amalysis on supermax deals
Dame gave everything to the city it’s time for him to focus on himself and try to get a ring with a contender not on a team the blazers want
I dont like this. I have so much respect for Dame but he signed the contract, having your agent go round other teams like this is insulting to the blazers
Dame is stupid for being loyal to the machine. He could've been a free agent and went wherever he wanted. But he took the max money instead. I don't feel sorry for him at all and if I'm Portland I'm telling him to kick rocks he didn't do anything in Portland
What about the bucks who and what can they trade to get dame. I think if dame gets a trade to bucks hes going to win a champ!
Ngl Blazers should just take the L he’s been loyal to the soil. Give him what he wants yeah the package may be terrible but it’s not like dame made this situation messy. Show faith to the player. Don’t gain the reputation of a dirty org
Dame has gotten plenty of money to stay with Portland. He could have asked for a trade before but now he only wants to go to Miami? I thought his goal is to win a championship? Is Miami the best team to go to? Portland should do best for the franchise!
I like Lillard but so tired of players only playing where they want to
I'm getting tired of Damian Lillard. He never made a WCF under his own power. He fails at postseason. Never been top 5 (though top 10). He signed a full 4/176 contract last year. And now he wants out. Okay. But you don't get to choose where you want to go after signing a 4/176 last year.
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Itsbdame fault for signing that contract he knew he wasn't going to be able to win without having cap space for other players he messed his own team up by being selfish
Damian wants to play with Butler. That would be one of the most formidable combinations in the NBA. Especially at games end in a series.
With Bam*
Bam is his best friend
they should've never gave him the added 2 years, he would've been 35 when his deal was up, now they're holding onto a grenade, best bet to teach these players a lesson is too hold onto him. TB has all of there picks and someone has to hold the line cause these NBA players been outta hand with these demands.
5:55 this is spot on coming from a lifelong blazer fan
SAT word in the title lol
What's the name of the outro song?
Like this is a weird shift in Dame's personality. Not the trade request, but the whole Miami or bust thing, being a prick about it and all. Genuinely if he gave the front office 5 teams he wishes to go to, i'm sure the GM and the fans wouldn't mind accepting a "good" package from a competitor even if a team like OKC was offering a "great" one. Although arguably OKC would be a competitor with Shai and Dame, but you get my point.
Dame in Buck with Giannis...... imagine that.
I wish, I'm a Blazers guy, and I was hoping for a Giannis for Henderson, Simons, Sharpe, and picks + maybe Grant.
@@yura50597 Me too. I am a huge Dame fan, i love his play and his attitude.
or he could try to negotiate a buy-out
and piss off portland even more
have to be honest; I don't think Dame winds up in Miami. I wouldn't be surprised if the Nets, Bucks or Cavs get him.
If Dame wanted to go to only one team, he could’ve get there is a FREEAGENT
Trading for Dame in 2023 is like wanting to buy BTC. Risky business
The supermax feels more and more like a bad investment in terms of winning a championship unless the player receiving it is a surefire finals mvp level guy
Everybody gets supermax these days, because all you need to be eligible is to be in the All-NBA team. IMO it should've been limited to just MVP/Finals MVP winners (maybe the conference MVP's a well) and being in the All-NBA 1st team
Most people forget Dame makes a lot of money so it does cripple his team from building around him & honestly Dame isn’t on Kawhi’s level so regardless if he had the talent him shooting under 40% for nearly half his playoff career hasn’t helped either
😂😂😂😂 shut every team has max contract players that’s not stopping teams from being competitive
@@greenecarlos93 thing is its not entirely clear dame can be the best player on a championchip team. he is a top 10 player in the league probably but that may not be enough. for example the lakers couldnt do it with two top 10 players this season and someone like jokic is just on another lvl than dame. its a lot of hypotheticals but noone rly knows if dame as a lone star can get you a ring, history points toward the opposite
They gotta run that
Dame time
they definitely need to send him to the jazz after all the money they gave him
What trade package does Miami have because Herro 3 first rounders and duncan Robinson aint it😂😂😂
Send him to the Bucks
Dame’s agent making calls like that is an absolute disgrace to basketball
Damian Lillard had a very good young hooper in Anfernee, a good all around scrappy player in Hart, and a stud in Grant. how can he not make that work? that’s not talent around him? why were Portland playing better when Dame was hurt? Dame once had one of the best PF’s in the league on his team in Lamarcus Aldridge. where is this WEIRD stipulation that he NEVER had talent around him? Dame is just not a competitor and he doesn’t want to be that’s why he stayed in Portland for so long hiding behind “loyalty.” you’re not held accountable in smaller markets.
Bro anfernee dosent address the poor defense on this team
@@greenecarlos93 well because he’s one person, lol. the point I’m getting at is Dame has brought Portland nothing. Portland provided talent around him. he’s just not a winner. pretty simple tbh.
@@sketchofcolour u are delusional they never had a team favorited to win anything to sit here and act like Portland has had so much talent is pure cap because what players are U talking about
@@greenecarlos93 I never said so much talent you damn fool. they were not Charlotte Hornets trash, they were not Detroit Pistons trash. Dame had talent. Dame is just not a winner. I hope Portland don’t trade him to Miami and I hope they get the best package available for THEIR rebuild. they owe him nothing.
Tyler Herros value is very similar to Jordan Pooles value i would say. Best case you brake him down to 2 smaller bad contracts and get a 2nd pick or so, or you have to add assets to herro to get a decent player, he is defenitely not worth several firsts.
I actually think his value would go up if they went into the season with him to show teams they gotta up their offerings.
Harden for lillard
lol
shoulda traded Dame 5 years ago
So since they’re rebuilding… can Portland back out of that awful Jerami Grant contract before pen is put to paper? 😄
No reason to do Jeremi dirty like that
If they pull that what agent is ever going to trust the Blazers again?
Dame can retire
Dame is such a baby
As a Celtics Fan i really hope we dont go for him
Heat get Dame
76ers get Herro
Blazers get Harden and Robinson
First
first :)
After he made them give Grant that contract before bailing I'm not surprised at all that Portland don't want to send him where he wants. It was a dirty move that will understandably have Portland looking out for themselves first and foremost.