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Engineering Degrees Ranked: Pay, Demand, and Job Roles
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- In this video, I describe the job roles for the top 10 most studied engineering disciplines and rank them by average pay and future demand. This video is a great place to start if you are interested in engineering, but aren't quite sure which type of engineering is for you. enjoy!
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0:00 intro
0:42 civil engineering
1:34 mechanical engineering
3:18 industrial engineering
4:15 materials engineering
5:16 electrical engineering
6:17 biomedical engineering
7:33 aerospace engineering
8:31 computer engineering
9:36 chemical engineering
10:38 computer science
I’m an engineer with 29 years of industry experience and I can tell you that it’s not nearly as important which discipline you study, as it is that you understand the material and finish the degree. There is a surprising amount of overlap between disciplines and a surprising amount of inter-disciplinary opportunity. I probably wouldn’t put computer science on this list. My experience is that it’s a lot more realistic for any of the other engineering disciplines to transition into computer related jobs than it is to move in the other direction. It’s an entirely different base training and skill set. Just my 2 cents.
I spent 5 years as a software engineer and I can definitely tell you it is difficult to go from starting with abstract software design and interfaces to the 1s and 0s of circuitry. I’m going back to school to get my undergrad in electrical engineering in the fall!
Licensed Mechanical engineer with 16 years experience. 100% agree with everything you said, including the CS comment.
@@Hmmmmmmmm320 im going to electronic engineer also!!! CS is shit now because of people can learn it just using google and is over crowded. With an E engineering at least are valuable because your knowledge is hard. Im almost a CS undergrad
@@Hmmmmmmmm320 life is hard to just knowing CS. Electrical or electronics are S tier and CS is over crowded and many people from every single field wanna get into CS jobs. Im sad
Agreed; I studied and taught (TA, not professor) computer science and I've found that there are generally two types of graduates: the more mathematical type and the more programm-ish type.
Science, mathematics and reasoning fundamentals are the same across STEM disciplines (even into more "unique" things like biology); so the mathematical ones tend to have a lot more mobility; but programmers tend to struggle, because they're more akin to software masons than engineers.
Even then, software engineers tend to have formation in very software-specific things, that translate poorly into a more fundamental understanding of maths and science.
The thing with engineering (and math) is you have to actually understand it. In the humanities you can fake it and still get a decent grade. You can't do that in engineering.
Spoiler alert: you absolutely can fake it. Would strongly advice against it, as in the end you will end up a fool.
But it's possible to get away with absolute disasters, because at the end of the day, nobody aside from other engineers understands what's going on. To management and everyone else, math is often basically magic, so they can't verify how much or how little effort things take.
If you're clever and can make cartels with other engineers, it's easy to fool employers, coworkers and users. For instance, all you have to do is say: "our cloud storage uses modern state-of-the-art encryption system", when in reality it uses the most basic encryption you've happened to find on StackOverflow, and no one will be able to tell. Now, what happens if it's found out is another problem, which is why I wouldn't advise it.
I will tell you more, often times, even when you actively fight for the right solution, management will not accept it and will force you into terrible engineering decisions, making you wonder why did you even study all that math for? Real world is more akin to natural selection: whatever can survive with the barest minimum engineering possible will survive, be it jobs or products, and often be successful because of some other factors outside of the engineering, such as marketing or monopolization.
It's the opposite in my opinion
@@sonsofelshamy3987 How so? With a math equation there is a correct answer(s) and everything else is wrong. On the other hand, I can argue that the Maltese Falcon is a Christ allegory and get full credit. And with spell and grammar checks I don't even need to know how to do that.
@@theman4884 That’s not about understanding that’s about opinion. You can use equations without knowing how they’re derived and understanding what they mean. I can apply the equation F=ma to a question by simply substituting values and still have no clue what any of it means.
@@sonsofelshamy3987 You just perfectly demonstrated exactly what he was talking about. Engineering is not mindless calculation. An engineer has to understand what they're dealing with before they can even begin to choose the correct equations to reach a solution.
Licensed civil/structural engineer. Graduated 1980, now retired. Found educational course work challenging, not overwhelming. Received a joint BS in civil and electrical, went on to master's work in Structural Engineering. Participated in hundreds of engineering projects, big and small. 42 year Career included 20 years in public service. Led dozens of projects. Worked alongside the best and brightest. Helped develop many engineers, supported many others. Followed first principles. Most difficult was leaning to know what I did not know. Not done learning to this day. The profession provides as much as one put back into it. All said and done a good life. Find the need to rank difficulty and compete and strive for salary distracting. Do your work, dedicate some of your free time to intellectual self-improvement, care for your family first, give back as much as received, the rest takes care of itself.
Do you have Linkedin or some contacts? Im a Civil undergraduate seeking some advice
Pls help me, I'm in a more doubt situation.
I have completed by bachelor's in mechanical engineering degree. But after that in our country the salary range for a mechanical engineer is so low and the growth also. So I put up learning a web development course , but still struggling to learn from depth. Now can't create better understanding of programmings..I'm really in stuck situation. What to do next! Can I go back to mechanical domain and learn the skills as time goes and improve on myself.
Hi, your opinion on a 58 year old wanting to pursue structural engineering?
Well said.
I tried mechanical engineering in the 70's with very weak Maths from HS. That was a stupid decision but I shifted into Geophysics/Geology, ended up as a geophysical engineer in the Petroleum E&P industries for 45 years, matured to become petroleum engineer by self-studies!! OIL companies paid me very well for my experiences!!!! I am very wealthy today!!! But my honest advise to young people, if you want to become REAL ENGINEER, you must focus into your MATHS, ADVANCED MATHS, ENGINEERING MATHS, STEM is Maths, NOT TOYS!!! Many quit because they are afraid the difficulties of MATHS!! If you want good money you need GOOD MATHS in engineering & physics!!! There are NO FREE LUNCH!!!
Not often mentioned: regardless of the engineering discipline chosen, interpersonal skills will be a big factor in your advancement. Your career path can lead you to places you can’t predict at this time: project engineering, project management, etc. Getting along with people in a team, leadership are important skills to develop.
Agree. Those skills are absolutely necessary to differentiate you from "just" engineering work and open doors to positions that might build on your engineering expertise but be a better fit and much more rewarding.
I also agree. Being technically competent is necessary but not sufficient.
As long as the Human Resources idiots have a stranglehold on management (for fear of lawsuits), interpersonal skills and workgroups will, unfortunately, be a thing. This mindset is anti-engineering except for the absolute top 1% which can do both math and schmoozing effortlessly. We need more working and fewer meetings where we are forced to "share."
Spot on. I'm an ex Ex RAF Radar Engineer but ended up as the UK rep at ETSI (European Technical Standards Instutite). No way was that predictable.
@@RyanK-100 I respectfully disagree. Interpersonal skills and teamwork will always be a key component of any engineering project.
Retired electrical engineer here. Six years in I was promoted into engineering management, which turned out to be a better fit for me instead of designing circuits and writing code. I evolved a small local electronics support group into a team of engineers and skilled trades people who specialized in the concept, design, build, installation and startup of custom manufacturing assembly automation equipment for my company's North American operations. I learned a tremendous amount, way beyond just the electrical side, from the variety of skilled specialists in my group. I respected them and they knew it, which in turn made me a more effective leader. Very meaningful and profitable (for the company) work, but extremely demanding. Upper management always wanted more and expected you to work whatever hours it took to meet their (often unrealistic) expectations. Biggest pain was having to explain to the bean counters and fast-track upper managers why sophisticated equipment couldn't always be conceived and produced to the schedule they crafted on a spreadsheet or Gantt chart. I was successful not because I was an engineering marvel, but because I could identify, recruit, hire and retain a wide range of skilled people who could produce results, and then was able to keep management at bay just enough so I could maintain a positive, creative atmosphere for my team. My people were the secret sauce for producing project outcomes that made the company $millions. With that group, there was almost nothing we couldn't do.
Engineering is what you make of it. You've got to work smart and produce measurable results, either by yourself, as part of a team, or as the leader of a team. You need to be as mobile as necessary to find a good job that fits your skill set. The right amount of aggressiveness coupled with strong technical and practical knowledge and broad experience can be a real asset as you interact with others in the corporate world. You need to be articulate, have strong grammar skills, be creative and persuasive in order to convey your ideas and convince upper management you qualify for the $$ or resources you require to produce the results they want. Just be sure you've done your homework on issues, because when you take the lead, you've got to be right.
I walked away when things went global and the service my team provided was being spread all over the planet. And I was being shuffled into roles that I hadn't signed up for and were out of my scope. The volatility became a drag and travel was starting to take too much away from my personal life. I realized the tipping point had been reached while returning home one night from a business trip, and I immediately started planning my exit. Shortly thereafter I submitted a one month notice and retired. Great career, but having way more fun now.
You sound like the generation that built the middle class before we began outsourcing American jobs for overseas engineers at an unprecedented rate
Your role sounds like project manager!
Can you please get me an internship for next summer somehow😭😭😭
I'm in a trouble situation. Completed bachelors in mechanical engineering and went into learn web development because of the payscale it offers. Still struggling to learn the programming and don't know what to do next. Can I stick on to mechanical domain.
@@henrylj2660we outsider want to migrate because there is no respect to educated people because of tyrants and greedy and uneducated business owners from a few generations ago and we have not enough salaries.
I am a civil engineer. I studied both civil and mechanical engineering in college. I found that "it moves" versus "it doesn't move" was the differentiator for me. There's a level of understanding calculus that I couldn't get through that stalled me in the mechanical engineering classes. I got through calculus, but didn't understand it well enough to perform the manipulations necessary to define movement, and therefore, to get through an ME degree. Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry have served me well for forty years.
So kids, strong in Calculus, try Mechanical Engineering - weak in Calculus, Civil Engineering might be for you.
I'm extremely strong in calculus (A+ in all calcs) but still chose civil
I passed Integral calculus at 63%..I think i will go for civil lol. I’m somehow strong in physics but calculus is my kryptonite..
The thing I don’t understand is when will we apply these equations in real life… i think I have a fairly decent grasp of calculus currently taking cal 1 (maybe like 80% i remember and sorta could teach) but like will we somehow know how to apply an equation or idk I’m just confused…
@@sslvsme5763 The derivative of displacement is velocity, and the derivative of velocity is acceleration. And it goes the other way: the integral of acceleration is velocity and the integral of velocity is displacement. So, if you want to design a machine part, and you can define its motion, you can integrate that definition and get the acceleration of every slice of that part. Multiply the acceleration by the mass and you get a force. From that, you can get the stress on every slice on that part. From that, you can design the part is strong enough in every slice. Or, something like that, it's been more than 40 years.
@@jakurdadov6375 damn thanks for the info, I'm taking an intro physics course rn and calc, so I barely just learned about derivatives and everything makes sense from what I learned and what you said. so far...thanks
I was an undergrad during the second half of the 1980s. I chose computer engineering purely because that's where my passion was (and still is). I feel very blessed to have a career I love, which is also in demand, and has offered strong financial compensation. I am very thankful.
Hello, fellow CompE geezer. Are you now doing systems software engineering, like me? 😜
@@MykePagan
I fell in love with analog circuits in elementary school, followed quickly by high-fidelity audio. For a brief while, my master plan was to study EE and go work for McIntosh. But then I added computer hardware and software to my list of interests. By the time I graduated from high school and entered college, I had already decided that computer engineering was the right path for me. (But I continued to love analog circuits also. My favorite course in college was my junior-level analog course.)
Anyway, in practice, my professional career went into (embedded) computer networking software (IP routers, DNS servers, etc.) and network design (configuring routers, planning the network topology, etc.). My career has remained in embedded software/firmware. I currently write embedded code for automation/control products for big electrical power generating plants.
But I keep my hands dirty at home with hands-on digital and analog electronics.
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@@waltwimer2551 I'm starting computer engineering after summer but I'm kinda freaking out because AI, I would love to hear your opinion about how AI will impact programming jobs etc.
@@MrApaze
*Great* question! I wish I had an answer for you, but I really have no idea what's going to happen. I can see AI automating certain aspects of hardware design, and automating the creation of certain kinds of software. I currently work in the power industry, writing low-level embedded software/firmware for controlling big AC generators in power plants. On one hand, the power industry has traditionally been very slow-moving. The power companies dislike/distrust radical changes. They often prefer that products and systems remain the same for 30+ years. But, now we have a HUGE push for renewable energy sources (wind, solar, etc.). This is a huge disruption to the power industry's traditional way of thinking. This opens up a lot of opportunity for new startup companies to move in and create radically new products, so AI may prove to fit right in by accelerating designs. But I suspect that the designs will have an almost "alien" quality to them. Human engineers may look at the designs and say, "How the hell does this work?" That's bad for the stability of the overall power system. If we humans can no longer understand how the systems work, we won't be able to fix them when they inevitably break. So that could go two different ways... Some companies may reject AI or at least keep human engineers to have the final say on designs. Or the world may go all-in on AI, and then some major catastrophe will happen and no one (including the AIs) will be able to fix it.
The future seems incredibly unpredictable at this point. But I'd rather have knowledge and skills than not have them. I think the world will still need computer engineers for a long time. If not, then all of humanity may have much bigger existential problems...
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@@waltwimer2551 Thank you for your insight I really appreciate it:)
All of these videos are correct in what they say but they leave out many opportunities and fields of work that the engineering degree can give you. I have an ME degree. Went to work for a major oil company and did systems engineering for 5 years. Made supervisor and managed the work for another 5. Sent overseas on a project and never looked back. Love project work which can mean anything from initial front-end engineer, detailed design, construction and commissioning. I have been a contracts manager, project controls manager, construction manager and project manager. Every job is different and there is never a dull moment.
So with a BSME you can basically do anything that’s not super specialized?
@@folk49 Same is true for most engineering disciplines. My father was a civil engineer who retired as the plant manager of a chemical plant. Had a friend who was an EE and became an environmental manager.
As a high school engineering teacher this video is going to be so helpful to me! Great content thank you.
You are very welcome!
I am an industrial engineer but have spent my career as the CEO of software startups. IE is an excellent foundation for a management career. I use my IE mindset every day as a CEO because I have to design and improve company operations as one of my fundamental roles.
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7:47 aerospace engineer here. I want to add onto this note. We are experts on these fields, but not on all. I know one pretty well and the others enough to do the job. However, another AE knows that field I don’t know pretty well but lacks knowledge on mine. Working together is when we become a force to be reckoned with.
I hace a Bachelors in aerospace engineering but due to not having my US citizenship, I was not able to find a job in the space industry like I always dreamed of. I ended up taking a job in the pump industry as an applications/mechanical engineer.
8 years later I have my citizenship… what are my chances of still getting into the industry? And I screwed?
Edit; I have been designing and building “high power” model rockets for the past couple of years and practicing my CAD and working with microcontrollers. Would this help me at all?
I would like to study aerospace engineering. Is this worth to study? I would like to get a honest reply from your side
ya im thinking about it too, im super passionate about space and flight. Want to see what people who have gone through with the degree think about it@@p34ky._
Gonna be honest, you might want a Master's if you want the cool jobs in the space industry.@@ROVA00
My daughter received her Civil Engineering degree, her first job was working for aerospace company on tanker programs, after few years she went on to work for different aerospace company building commercial jets, now she working for largest private space programs company, making mid 6 figures after 8 years out of college, who knew I thought she be building bridges not Jets and Space rockets
So she is a civil engineer yet working on rockets and space stuff? I would think that’s aerospace engineering.
@@kristoonz That's the thing with engineering, you can almost be anything with a 6 month course.
@@kristoonz I would think the same, engineering are about design and calculations so I guess all you really need an engineering degree to get your foot in the door, the rest are up to you.
@@kristoonz no engineers are multidisciplinary!! I have a chemical engineer degree and I’m working as a mining engineer 🤣🤣🤣 that degree just means you know how to think to Solve complex problems
civil engineer here. the pros are it's a very diverse field and you can pretty much get a job anywhere starting out. the cons are if you're like me and stay at 1 company for 20 years it'll be difficult if you have to get a job elsewhere later in life. My company is pretty much a 1 trick pony. We do site design including grading, drainage, storm water calculations, and parking lot layout. Most other firms want experience in roadway design or construction engineering. My company does neither of those, so despite having 20 years of experience, going to another firm that does different work sets would basically be like me coming right out of college again and having to start from scratch except for having the professional license.
I started out studying biology and then switched to physics and eventually got a masters in mechanical engineering, heat transfer & thermodynamics. My entire career was basically developing scientific instrumentation, first for air pollution monitoring and then DNA sequencing. Engineering is a great career and, as you can see, can take you into all sorts of career paths. When I graduated, high throughput DNA sequencing and the Human Genome Project wasn’t even an idea. I retired 12 years ago.
Physics seems like a really hard degree
@@ngkngk875 Many college majors are difficult. It depends on your individual strengths. At the time, my strength was in mathematics. I found biology and chemistry to be too hard for me because, in my view, they required too much memorization which, to this day, is a weak point for me.
"Mechanical Engineers make weapons. Civil Engineers make targets." 😀 Keep in mind it's hard to ship overseas some of these like Civil Engineering. I started as a BSEE in 1987 from a good U with excellent grades at $32,000. EEs also design chips (integrated circuits) for television, networking, medical equipment, etc. It bugs me to no end when people without engineering degrees call themselves engineers.
I worked a job they called us field engineers to get out of paying us OT. That didn’t work out well for them as they also got caught billing the customer for engineers when we were technicians. They also had to pay us back pay for OT. I worked with bandwidth transport with FOC, digital microwave and satellite communications at a gateway. These jobs paid over $100,000 10 years ago.
@@Chris_at_Home i work in construction and was a field Engineer. I can say we did more “engineering” related work than project engineers which I also did lol
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by people calling themselves engineers. First and foremost, in most if not all states, it's illegal to pose as an engineer and do engineering work. Even if you have the technical know how, you cannot carry out such work in the name of an engineer. If someone calls themselves an engineer because that happens to be their job title, I see nothing wrong with that. The title itself was not self-bestowed. It's just a job title that came with the job. Lastly, if you're going to try to imply that somehow, ONLY, people with a degree in one of the formal engineering fields is capable of carrying out work in these areas, I would totally disagree with you because that is entirely not true. There are plenty of bright people who can easily pick up books and be completely as competent if not more than students who have a formal degree. Not all engineers are created equal because not all engineering institutions are equal and we know passing the FE and the PE only requires around a 70%. In other words, you are going to have engineers who barely scraped by and you're going to have engineers who breezed through the material. When it comes to institutions, there are places where average students walk out with A's and the C students wouldn't have a chance in a real competitive engineering school, but somehow, society groups them as the same since they have their engineering degree and this seems to be where you're coming from. You can't tell me that all engineering schools in the country graduate engineers with the same level of competencies, because they don't. There literally are "engineers" as you would like to call them with engineering degrees that literally are incompetent. When I say incompetent, I mean literally they struggle to handle the fundamental math and physics that they are supposed to be competent in. This is simply due to the different levels of competency required to receive an engineering degree at different institutions. Just as you cannot equate the bottom of the graduating class of engineers at the bottom engineering schools in the nation with the likes of the top engineering students, or just all the engineering graduates at your top engineering schools, you cannot just scoff at the idea that someone could be an engineer without no formal degree. Sure, they may not have taken all the classes required to get a degree, but that doesn't mean they haven't or couldn't master all that is required to be an aerospace, mechanical, electrical, or whatever type of engineer. Instead of judging them by their title, I prefer to judge them by their abilities. If they can show competency in the field, they are engineers in my book. I could care less about a degree. After all, a degree DOES NOT endow one with special abilities. The ability comes from the person, not the paper. As such, people can possess a paper and be totally incompetent. My experience is people who are less competent are the one's that rely on their degree. A competent engineer never has to rely on his degree. His knowledge alone screams, "I'M AN ENGINEER!" No paper required! And the thing with licensure, a PE, is to ensure competency, but even for PE's some are extremely competent and others, not so much. The key differentiating thing with being a PE is it carries with it, liability. Being the EOR, you are taking on the responsibility of any failures that may occur. All other engineers take none.
So I'm not really sure why you feel so strongly about it. It's one thing if they have a fake PE license, but if they are merely calling themselves an engineer because that is their job title or if they can do exactly what you do, but just lack a piece of paper, that in no way should make them any less than you. This sounds more like an ego issue than an engineering issue. The fact of the matter is that engineers have been around long before the formal BS in engineering degree ever came into existence. If what you are saying is true, it would negate all the great engineers in the past who helped build and designed many of the world's great wonders of the past. Engineering is the application of math and science to solve technical problems. There's nothing that requires one to have a degree to do this; all that's required is knowledge in the maths and sciences and having the creativity and ingenuity to contrive and come up with solutions that will work. Creativity and ingenuity is not possessed by all who hold a piece of paper. As Einstein put it, "imagination is more important than knowledge" because one's knowledge is finite while one's creativity is not. Lastly, I leave you by paraphrasing what Terrence Tao said in an email response to someone asking how it felt to win the Fields Medal. His response was, "The Field's Medal doesn't have any magical powers that will automatically solve all the problems I'm working on for me. As such, I'll continue to work on the very same problems I've been working on ." A degree is simply just a degree. If a degree proves anything, it's that you are willing and capable of starting and finishing a task and nothing more. Competency is proven in the field, not on some piece of paper. Cheers!
If you know drive a car but doesn't a license, can you drive a car in a city?
When people doing trades say they're engineers...
as an automotive mechanical engineer, i can say that mechanical engineers don't just work on stuff that moves. plenty of components that need to be engineered, are hard mounted to other stuff that moves or doesn't move. those components just need to survive whatever conditions the stakeholders need them to survive (vibration, thermal shock, corrosion, etc).
and contrary to some of the comments i'm seeing here, i'd argue that a lot of engineering roles out there don't care if you remember your calculus or all your niche physics formulas. i'm sure that depends a lot on how your employer approaches filtering out applicants, or even the level of technology that your industry implements in their workflow. but like in automotive, for example, most employers aren't gonna risk their short timelines and thin project margins on your ability to do hand calculations. they budget resources for CAE and accelerated design validation testing. your job as a mechanical engineer, in those cases, is to understand fundamental engineering concepts enough to be able to interpret data and use it design/redesign something that eventually passes all those checks.
also everyone seems to always report average salary for different professions. i don't understand this. especially when the target demographic of the data is college students. what we actually need is the median starting salary data, which nobody seems to want to collect. in general, i wouldn't have high expectations for an entry level engineering salary that comes close to these average salaries (especially since your prestigious degree does not guarantee that you've interviewed for a high paying engineering function), unless you're gonna be working in a high cost of living state - in which case, all that extra salary goes to rent and gas.
In which field you work in Automotive?
@@moin9962 currently EV power distribution. Before that, ICE fuel systems.
Actually I really want to see more colleges offering a 4 Year Mechatronics Engineering Degree, the combination of Software, Mechanical, and Electrical. Its the holy grail for Robotics and Automation/Autonomy. Some universities have picked up on it, Most haven't and are sticking to the core Engineering degrees listed in the video.
current issue with a lot of tron degrees currently is because of the range and how broad it has to be it becomes just some of each of those disciplines which can result in a jack of all trades master or none scenario work wise
@@jeremymarsh9199 I agree with you while at the same time realizing that most/much of the information that is taught in college is either out of date immediately or isn’t directly applicable in the workforce. Nearly everything I have learned in the past 25 years of engineering was learned on the job, their process, their application. I now think of college as somewhere that needs to teach you how to learn. In engineering, you will continue to learn for the rest of your career. If you think about it that way, jack of all trades is ok for my new hires. I would say at this point, 90% of my hires directly out of college are not able to actually do anything for almost their full first year.
Yes, still very few universities with one, but at least alot of them allow double majors in EE and Mech.
@@jeremymarsh9199 No. Regardless of what you study you walk into your first job knowing basically nothing. Mechatronics atleast opens you up in the job market.
@@jeremymarsh9199this is exactly what I dealt with. Was difficult to find a job since I wasn’t a specialist in any of those fields but once I landed a job things have gone very well and my background in different areas in propelling my career. Just 1 mans experience
I would think computer engineering is ahead of computer science because it would essentially have the pros of computer science along with having knowledge on hardware
I am a retired nuclear engineer. What you are doing is outstanding. Keep up the good work!!!
Thank you so much for this video, I have been looking for a breakdown of what to do next, and honestly, thus is the best so far today, very simple and direct. I am trying to add to my skill and was stuck between electrical, computer engineering and computer science
You are very welcome! Glad it was helpful
I will add that communication skills are important. It is as important to communicate clearly in a report the results of the calculation as it is to be able to perform the calculation correctly. If you aspire to become a technical or managerial lead you must also be able to communicate the important points of a project or design in an oral presentation.
Thanks for all the work you do on this channel. I checked out a few of your other videos, and they're great. Keep it up!
Hey thanks! That means alot.
Because all of these majors precipitate into one job role or another, those roles each have their own salary expectations. For example an electrical engineer in power systems is completely different than an electrical engineer in control systems. Wouldn't it be nice if someone could write software that would let you navigate to the brainpower-to-salary that most closely matches you? Of course in college, people don't really know themselves yet, of what they are capable, and of what they are not.
100%. An electrical engineer in control systems in mining for example will pay 2x to 3x of a power systems
As an old computer science guy, I can say your information is right on target and strait to the point..! Keep up the good work..!
Hey thanks! Much appreciated!
@@ItsAllFake1 If you're in Europe it may depend because you guys have things such as free healthcare and free education so the pay usually isn't that much different than a senior dev in the us when all of that is factored in as well as cost of living
Boy, did I ever screw up. I spent my final 25 years of employment as a software engineer and the most I ever made was $65,000, working 12 hour days.
Yeah. You screwed up big time. I'm a software engineer and I make $110k working 100% from home.
How is that even possible? I've never even seen a senior software engineering position listed for less than $80k
@@tjcogger1974 It's 100% my own fault. I absolutely loved the type of coding I was doing, and just never looked for other jobs. The company I worked for didn't have a huge budget for coders, so if I wanted to remain doing what I loved, I had to suck it up...and therein lies my screwup.
@@livedreamsgwhere did you work?
I love getting the pov of different engineers in the comment section really helpful y’all appreciated fr❤
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I am an industrial engineering with a msc in operations research, now working as a quant analyst. Ie is definitely the most versatile degree and job opportunities are amazing.
You forgot to mention that pursuing mechanical engineering can lead to aerospace and automobile engineering too.
It sure can!
I love the video very informative bit especially about the Electrical Engineering cuz I'm currently taking it for 2 years now.
If you plan is to end up in corporate research or product development and you‘re not sure which field interest you the most - go for a physics degree and go for an application-oriented topic in your graduation project
I feel the computer science part is misleading as 1. It’s not actually an engineering degree, and 2. Job demand has been slashed especially at high calibre tech companies. There is still projected job growth as industries such as the financial and automotive industry have become increasingly keen to bring programmers on board, I’m just sceptical of how that will be affected by AI models.
Someone must still program said AI
1) I have a CS degree and I’m a software engineer. So that’s invalid.
2) “High Caliber Tech industries” aren’t the only places that higher software engineers??? There are thousands of other jobs that will pay us 70-100k starting out. For start up jobs and everything in between.
I wanted to add my two cents to this as a current Structural Engineer i.e Civil Engineering Major with focus on Structures, with both an BS and MS. If you want to make money in a 9-5, get your PE license and then switch to Real Estate development or Project Management, I currently make more than my buddy working in Computers plus I get to be outside talking to people and seeing projects being built. Also started my side hustle flipping properties. Another advantage of the traditional engineering degrees such as Civil, Electrical and Mechanical, once you get your PE license you can open your own consulting firm. I doubt it you’d be able to design rockets in your basement. Also, please evaluate your personality type before making a career decision. If you want to work from your couch, civil engineering is not for you.
thank you,but are civil engineering in demand?
@@janepatiebdi I guess it depends on your location. I live in US near a Metro area, so there will always be work. If not new construction there will be renovations/restorations, state/local inspections, investigations etc.
@fr7198 what about the hours I heard that there is crazy hours and high turnover
I am biased as an elect4ical engineer but I think you have tremendous job security. Name on engineering project thay requires zero power infrastructure, it's nearly impossible. This means there is a large pool of projects for ee's to work on
ee is much more than power infrastructure. That part is the “boring” part of ee. How about quantum computers?
The thing about mech engineering is that you can basically apply also for jobs in materials, biomedical, aerospace, industrial fairly easily and even civil, chemical and electrical by a certain extent. The versatility is its best strength imo
How can mechanical apply for biomedical without the prerequisite *biological and medical* understanding?
Thank you! I am a teacher in TX in a large engineering community; I will be using your channel in my classes. Any hope that you would consider visiting a classroom remotely? I also would love to see a video on your take about how AI is going to change the disciplines featured in this video and impact the careers of those pursuing them!
Hey! I’m glad you liked the video. What kind of engineering community? College? High school? I would be happy to do a remote visit. What did you have in mind? Maybe email is best for the rest of this convo becominganengineer123@gmail.com. And that is a very good idea for a video .. I have added to my list. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@becominganengineer2271 Thank you! Email sent!
Retired Systems Engineer (EE). Sending this to my grandson who just started high school and is leaning towards mechanical engineering. Thanks for posting this!
Glad you found it helpful!
THE MOST important factor is that you’re interested in studying 40 hours per week at uni AND would keep on studying it for minimum wage because it gives you THE JUICE. Yearly income can be a TRAP. I think Computer science pays because people get burnt out after a few years and hate it. Compare them to, say, a civil engineer who gets to design a skyscraper. The first Pats more than the civil, but I bet more ppl would last in civil than computer science.
One metric would be to look at how many ppl last and enjoy their roles 20 years later- hard to find metric, my guess. Each to their own, anyways.
i'm a computer engineering student and i'm thinking about double major. but i don't know which department should i choose. industrial engineering or molecular biology and genetics??
Good explanation of degrees and programs!
Do you have a plan for making a video on a “back to school” video?
I found my way to this channel as I’ve decided to explore the possibility of going back to school for an engineering degree to enhance my ability to perform in my field and to open more opportunities for my career.
Would love your perspective on how you would execute doing engineering school if you had to do it now with a family and full-time job!
This is a fantastic idea! I will for sure do one at some point. Good luck to you!
@@becominganengineer2271 What’s your background?
Easier to look down the road, now. When I was in school in the 80’s in Texas, there was a joke. What do you call a petroleum engineer? “Hey, waiter!” Today, it’s extremely well compensated. If history is a guide, the boom & glut will happen again.
I worked with some Petroleum Engineers at an oil well logging company in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska . They were making over $100,000 in the early 1980s. Heck, I was a tech fixing the electronics tools making just over $70,000 back then and worked in a nice warm building.
@@Chris_at_Home I think you missed my point. Ir was about chasing hot degree fields. It was exactly because currently working PEs we’re making so much money that the field quickly became the “hot” major for students just entering university in the late 80’s. By the time they graduated 4 yrs later, the field was glutted.
I'm not sure I'd lump computer science in with the other engineering disciplines. There's some interchangeability between engineering degrees as to core studies, and computer science doesn't really have that core engineering background.
We make solutions, innovation, we make some technology like software that an Mechanical/biomedical/electrical engineer uses. So we do engineering
As a computer scientist, I definitely agree. We don’t have much overlap with engineering apart from math and first year science courses.
@@prohibited1125with that reasoning you could also argue that Physics/Math/Chemistry and all other kinds of Students are engineers. Computer Science itself isn't engineering, Software engineering is (more or less), and many people studying CS go into Software engineering without learning the engineering disciplines that real engineers have to learn
Focus on what it is you really want to do once you graduate. Focus on what type of job will interest you and then get the degree that will facilitate it. Don't just gravitate toward a subject matter you are interested in. Engineering is hard to get through, but it is worth it. If you are passionate about the end result, it will help you get through it. I changed majors halfway through a ME degree and regret it. I changed from ME to MT because I liked the more applied MT courses, and ME was hard! When I got out, I realized what I really wanted to do was mechanical design which required a ME degree. I ended up going into software engineering so I am using neither. Had I investigated what I really wanted to do before enrolling, I might have ended up with the right degree. But that is also part of the process in figuring out what you really want to do.
Indeed, you really need to pursue a career in something you are interested in / have a passion for. I rubbed elbows w/some civil engineers who hated what they were doing & wanted to be car salesmen. Man, I had to give them sideways glances . . .
MT is Mechatronics?
@@awtz Mechanical Engineering Technology
you are awesome man. This was so helpful
thanks! glad you liked it.
Mechanical engineers out here casually taking all other engineering jobs 😂
I have electrical and electronic engineer degree but my job requires me to do circuit design, layout design, software and automation but I still been paid as one degree salary. 😂
I’m 34 now and I am fed up working as a carpenter and joiner. Is it too late for me to become and engineer? I want to become a designer engineer for aerospace.
Never too late. I’m 24 going back now.
I'd proceed with caution, personally. There is a lot of optimism in this comment section, but you should look into all the underemployed people out there with engineering degrees. I got my first engineering degree over 10 years ago and got a new one last year in a different field of engineering, and I am 34 as you are. I personally know multiple engineer graduates that could never land an intern nor a job in their field. Connections are everything. Do you know someone who would hire you as an engineer right now if you only had the degree? If not, do you think you could find one 4+ years from now?
im an engineer. multiple fields between computer and mechanical. your salary depends on how valuable you are to the company. your degree doesnt affect your salary even if you are a fresh graduate.
You do realise that chemical engimeers desigk the entire process and all the equipment. Its a mix of mechanical engineering, electrical/control's engineering and chemistry. I am a chemical engineer and ive designed much equiptment including the instrumentation and control systems associsted with it.
Retired Radar engineer here. never unemployed and head hunted serveral times.
Best place to train is probably the Royal Air Force or the USAF. you can take your skills almost anywhere in the world. Any city with an airport needs a resident radar engineer.. Work in Bermuda, sure you can.
What degree specifically?
@@Dcashkid24 I have a BSC in Electronic Engineering with a Radar Specialisation.. in the RAF Radio Communication was an alternative route.
@@MENSA.lady2 thank you for answering I needed this
What isn't considered is pivoting from the engineering degree to other fields. For example, I have a bachelor's degree in Chemical Engineering. I pivoted to program management in the life sciences. I make overn $200k not including bonus and consulting work, as well as my side hustle.
What does program management in life sciences mean? Are you now a manager?
As a civil engineer I agree with rank 10/10 :D
😂😂😂
People really complain when buildings fall down, they don't understand how underpaid and overworked civil engineers are just to make a modest living.
which country do you live in?@@arcticbeak
@@haidara77 Germany.
You didn't ask, just to prevent misunderstanding: The tradespersons I'm referring to in my comment are also german. Foreign workers most of the time get paid way less, because their education often is not formally recognised.
@@arcticbeak hmm.. that kinda weird that civil engineers get underpaid in a developed country such as Germany 🇩🇪
Here in Norway civil engineers get like 20% more than average workers such as teachers/nurses. And if you have masters in civil engineering it's like 28% more than average works
Very insightful!
Glad you liked it!
How accurate is computer science demands for the future though? I always hear that it’s an oversaturated field to study and most of it can be self taught using code camps… I’m stuck between choosing Mechanical, Industrial, Electrical, or Computer Science …..😢
It’s worth noting I have a HVAC background in service in and maintenance so I have a good understanding of the equipment in the Mechanical world…
Mechatronic Engineering is pretty bitchin'. Plenty of opportunities.
Computer Science is not an Engineering degree. They're more like "computer mathematicians" than engineers! I study Computer Engineering and I suffer the same amount as an Electric Engineering major.
I'm thinking of looking into engineering, and i came across this video. I'm wondering if your book might be a good resource for me or not. I'm 43yo, graduated HS in '98, and have worked mostly retail and food service, but need out of that as I'm just not a people person. I worry that engineering will be too much as I'm not good at multitasking, and can't take notes to save my life. I just can't listen and write at the same time. I've always been good with my hand and figuring things out, but i need a more indoor type job as my knees are shot. I still want to work with my hand and work with machines and equipment, but I'm just not sure where to start. I can't afford to not work full time. I know I'm rambling, but I'm curious what you think.
Good for you! Thats a huge change to make. Very very exciting. It sounds like engineering will be a great path for you. I think you will for sure find the book very helpful. It's basically a road map for folks just like you. It lays out how to develop the discipline required, establish a sustainable schedule and mindset, strengthen your mind, how to study successfully, and do well on exams. Give it a read and report back. Id love to hear how you liked it.
I’m in a similar boat just very younger but I’ve been in retail and it sucks. I also wasn’t as smart in high school but I believe I just never applied myself to study
David, I have a graduate engineering degree. My $0.02. Consider starting at a 2 year associate degree at a community college. You will need college calculus, Diff Equations and linear algebra for any engineering anyway. That gives you a great glimpse into what will follow academically, and allow time to think if you like to head that way. If that gets overwhelming consider a trade school.
An engineering degree at this time is not all into machines and equipment. There is a heavy math. Consider industrial or production engineering if you like to work with machines. There are different areas of math that each engineering discipline emphasises more as you advance in level.
Finally do not ignore that going back to college you might be working in groups with other students lot younger who do not have similar life experiences and that may get a little tiring often.
It is very difficult to predict where future opportunities in engineering will be and which will become dead ends. I got my electrical engineering degree 50 years ago and most if what I studied is not that usefull today.
Great video, I wonder how specific field degrees stack up such as nuclear engineering
This is the field I'm interested in.
As someone who just graduated with a dual degree in Nuclear and Mechanical Engineering, I think I’ve benefitted more from being a Mechanical Engineer with a specialization in Nuclear than being a Nuclear Engineer who understands mechanical stuff. So for Nuclear, try picking up some broader education or just go in to Electrical or Mechanical and enter the Nuclear field with either of those.
@@AngoAngo
Would you say nuclear is more related to mechanical engineering than something like chemical?
@@GlacialScion I considered nuclear engineering when I went to school (ultimately decided on aerospace engineering).
At my school, nuclear engineering is heavily based in math, physics, fluid mechanics, and thermodynamics. When deciding which degree to get, I would say that mechanical with any subdiscipline is the most general degree you can have.
In the case of nuclear engineering, the current systems share a lot of similarities with powerplants and HVAC since most powerplants still work on steam generator loops, making a mechanical engineering degree overlap more strongly. However, you definitely will get more particle physics and whatnot in a nuclear engineering degree. Chemical engineering does not overlap as much with nuclear engineering unless you are looking into researching alternative fuel sources, nuclear fusion, or how to deal with the waste.
In general, if you are interested in designing the reactors, mechanical engineering is the better main degree while chemical engineering is better if you are more interested in the fission/fusion reaction itself or working with nuclear waste products.
@@withjoe1880
I greatly appreciate you taking the time to respond. I'm interested in working on fusion technology, but it definitely sounds like I should have more of a mechanical engineering bent to my courses than I was anticipating.
I think I did my best in my engineer profession cariere. But if I had only one speciality it could not happen Succesful engineer should have main speciality but take any opportunity to learn as many others as it is needed. I suspect in my case helped me that I was involved in marine industry - it allowed me to know a lot about steel constructions, automation, mechanics, electronics, architecture designing and production, electricity sailing on ships as crew and even classification. Whole ships were in range of my job, in other cases also land installations. I was desired at begining in my country but other half professional life I had spend also aboard
I did not ask for it too much but marine industry is so hard and demanding that positions were waiting - few wanted to do specialy with starting in production as low grade shipyard worker with university diploma . I quit to retire when I had to deal too much with internet in different places in world and not all were friendly for internet. For me was too stressing due to fact that time was crucial
Is electrical engineering worth it to study?
Idk why but i cant decide between computer engineering and computer science 🤦♂️
If you're willing to go through the extra tough electrical engineering courses, choose computer engineering. Make no mistake though no matter what you choose Computer science and computer engineering are both very tough degrees.
It seems pretty pointless to rank engineering degrees without factoring how versatile they are. An aerospace degree is hardly different than a mechanical one, they take a few extra aero courses that ultimately don't amount to much when it comes to getting into the aerospace industry as an undergraduate, a undergrad with a BS in mechanical has just as good of a chance at getting hired by an aerospace company, but the mechanical engineer is probably more hirable in something like controls, manufacturing, systems engineering type of jobs. Look at any entry level aerospace job and I can guarantee the requirements will be an aerospace OR mechanical degree, sometimes even electrical/chemical. OTOH for biomedical engineering undergrads who often take a mash up of electrical, chemistry, mechanical courses etc it's all breadth with zero depth. If you want to work in the biomedical field you're much better off in an undergrad in electrical, chemical, mechanical and doing a biomedical focused masters.
If you want to be as versatile and hirable in different fields/industries especially out of undergrad then mechanical or electrical are always going to be the best bet, which really needs to be a big consideration for 18 year old kids who will very likely find they find some other subject more interesting than they thought when they actually get into studying engineering
So basically, get a BS in mechanical/electrical engineering and then go for a Masters in the field u really want to do
Worked full time while earning my BSEE at nights, graduating in 2002. Emphasized CPU design. Height of the tech bubble burst. Never worked even 1 day in the field. WIth layoffs rampant in the field, having absolutely no experience (working adult, married, mortgage, etc. so never had the opportunity to do summer internships) made it impossible for me to find work. I use the math from that degree to do statistics in the insurance industry.
My BSEE was concentrated on power generation, transmission, and usage.
Never had issues finding work because I had so little competition in the real world.
@ghost307 one of the instructors told us that we should get as much power design classes as we could in order to always have a job. I didn't want to do that because digital was cool. If I could do it over again I would have done power because it's stable.
I'm no expert but many of these are sub fields of or very closely related to mechanical engineering. Think you're best off just studying mechanical if you want to be any of the sub fields or you'll end up being too focused on one topic.
I am an Elec. Eng., I am now more of a BioMed Eng I guess, working on Linear Accelerators and CT's etc, I have Cisco and MSFT cert's, it has been a great career that has allowed me to study tech all over the world - but a really tough degree.
I'm working on a second bachelor's degree in engineering. I can't decide between civil and chemical. I think they are both interesting. Any advice fellow engineering students?
As a mechanical engineer can go to industrial, material, aerospace, automation and robotics, automobile, software, computer engineering i see this is an absolute win 😂
My starting salary in 1981 working for IBM Corporation in Tucson, AZ was $25k/year with a BS in M.E. from UIUC. Left the engineering job as an engineering manager after 5 years and transferred into an IBM sales job - never made less than mid 6 figures salary since 1986. $$$$$$
Yea it just sux that sales job are considered the lowest of the low and only dishonest people work in there. Also, if someone does those jobs it demonstrates they woul rather spend their lives making koney than reaching their full potential skill wise. You tend to get people who aren't real engineers do those jobs, because true engineers like the technical challenges and pushing their learning to see the best they can be.
Greed is a driver for espionage but it is also to lash out at your place.
Being part of the network is a big driver for a lot, or having your people attacked for something small, pity, or a misunderstanding. People get attacked within just from regular discussions and contrasting views and get attacked for it.
This spawns descension.
Some don't even get paid and do it for their own sanity.
Those who couldn’t survive the ChemE program switched to the ME program and thrived.
I have watched several Videos like this and the numbers are all right about The same. Are your starting salaries for people? Fresh out of college, or are they for When you first get your License?
Fresh out of college
The comments on here are very good and informative.
I have a question. Can a computer engineer do all those things computer scientists do? If yes, then Computer engineering should be on top because they combine knowledge of two fields (electronics engineering and computer science)
Honestly Computer Science, Computer Engineering, and Software Engineering are used interchangeably in job postings. I believe that CS is on top because if focuses solely on software development. While a CE could specialize in software, they typically balance their classes between EE and CS, while a CS student focuses solely on software dev.
@@gabrigamer00skyrim thank you
@@gabrigamer00skyrim so what if software engineer vs computer scientist then?
@@Samguy55 From my experience they are both very similar, it really depends on your university. I majored in CS and had a couple friends in SWE, and there were only small differences in our course load. While they had to do more hands-on classes (mobile dev, UI/UX...), I had more theoretical classes (Discrete Math, Linear Algebra, Statistics...). SWE also required more credits than CS, but they both take the same core classes.
@@gabrigamer00skyrim okay I understand your point.
I think it would’ve been better to put SWE instead of CE since he’s talking about engineering courses then.
But why you forgot ( petroleum engineer)
1. Petroleum engineers are No 1 in the world. Highest paid in USA $145K
I only ranked the top 10’most studied.
It's a subpart of chemical engineering only
Great informative video.
Thanks!
Mechanical>chemical>civil>electrical.
Others like qc just hire you to solve their problem then they don't need you.
industrial?
@Mdl141
You can do the same thing and more with mechanical vut the course work is typically more brutal so it depends on how much spare time you currently have in your life for studying and whether or not you're confident that you're a smart cookie.
Say abt petroleum engineering sir please
Skilled trades in the automotive industry still pays more with overtime.
Sr. Totally Agreed with you!!! my last ten years as a MFG Engineer on the Automotive Industry in Tijuana Mexico has taught me that when you properly know all the IATF, APQP, Core Tools, IPC, etc, you will always be extremely well paid! Regards.
Really good video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Computer science is literally the worst thing to study nowadays. Those jobs no longer exists
you clearly haven't looked anywhere outside of youtube
Search “computer science” in Dallas, Texas. And come back to me saying there’s no jobs in our industry…
These statistics are possibly overly encouraging. If I were interested in becoming an engineering student I'd check them very deeply because the expectation they portray is there is an egger job market for engineers in general and that may not be at all the situation. Also long term employment of over 5 years is an important financial stability agent for family growth and paying back student loans. It can be a troublesome behavior for engineering and science jobs behaving medium term. Chemical Engineering in particular in the past decade had negative job growth predictions per decade in the US Bureau L&S. There are RUclips videos made around 2021 about people graduating with high grade point averages in chemical engineering writing in for advice claiming not being able to find work in CE because the companies wanted new CE graduates to have been involved with a work study program. There were CE graduates willing to work an internship almost for free to get that experience, but companies were not open to that.
When I was going over Electrical Engineering job statistics with my teenage nephews about 2019 I was pointing out when I looked into Electrical Engineering on the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics around 2011 I discovered Electrical Engineering employment was only to rise in the job market by 4% per decade where all increases in that job market were reported to be from technologies not yet known. Referenced average job growth was at 12% per decade. The US Bureau L&S career handbook stated the job market for careers much below 2/3 the average job growth per decade Can Behave Strangely. EE was in the bottom 1/3 of average job growth per decade. My younger nephew promptly looked up the current statistics for EE on his smartphone and he was shocked. The predicted job growth for EE per decade was zero! My guess was the US Bureau L&S couldn't state 4% growth per decade for EE with all job growth coming from technologies not yet known. It did make a long term dent in the viability of investing in EE in my mind and right in front of my teenage nephews.
President Obama was asked a question by the wife of an EE during the 2012 campaign who said her husband had been looking for work for over a year with out luck (his experience was in IC foundries which is extremely specialized). Obama said from what he knew a person like her husband should be doing well in the economy. Obama said they were going to look in to it. I watched the US Bureau L&S career information on EE for a few years after that and it did come out with disturbing information. Electrical Engineering was growing, but not in the USA. It was difficult for EE's to switch out to other fields more so than mechanical engineering. Many EE when making a career switch were having to go to a significantly different field from the standpoint of the US Bureau L&S.
When I was growing up in the 1970s I'd hear US Senators or Congressmen making statements that the future US economy and the US's ability to ensure the free world was entirely dependent on how many engineers and scientists it was able to produce. This implied there is a permanent shortage of the dedicated individuals able to take on these difficulties disciplines. At odd with this stated need was a feeling that academia was anti-engineering. There were few engineering schools. Many educational colleges in the 1960s, 1970s openly discouraged support of people involved in activities supporting in their limited minds: creating world pollution, poisoning products, allowing the war machines of the Vietnam war etc. Engineers were near the top of the list of the people instrumental in creating these issues. The expectation was most college administrations were only putting up with engineering because they had to and they treated those students that way as well.
My observation at my engineering school West Virginia Tech, Montgomery WV of the mid 1980s looking at the US Bureau L&S statistics for job growth per decade I looked up around 2011 lined up with the viability of its engineering schools, not the technology school which appears to have been safe and diligent, with Civil Engineering 12%, Mechanical Engineering 6% and Electrical Engineering 4%. The inside story I got after being at that school in the EE program was Civil Engineering was somewhat OK, Mechanical Engineering was Bad and the Electrical Engineering school was simply the worst, just the worst. That's an exact quote, but you had to have been attending for many years and be somebody involved with the student body before you were told that. I switched to a different school, but I consider WV Tech may college because I was involved with it and a resident. At the time I'd thought EE's were at the top of engineering demand and continued to think that for decades to come.
Medium term jobs in engineering and science: A Butler University Indianapolis Indiana counselor in 2014 was trying to get the son of a friend of mine to choose a different major than marine biology. His reason was this: You take on significant student loans while attending Butler University (Its a private school). The behavior of many science and engineering jobs is that they are medium term. They last 3 - 5 years. That may sound like a good amount of time, but its about the length of time to get financially stable. When you have to start over after 4 years it hard to be financially stable to pay back your student loans. The counselor was really trying to change him away from marine biology as major because it appears to be especially bad I've discovered with high dedication and comparatively below the income to pay back student loans, but the counselor made it clear that the science and engineering job market is subject to being medium term jobs and you need to strive for long term job employment for financial stability to pay back your student loans. Butler University at the time appeared to be pushing for dual majors for hard STEM students. Hard STEM as in physics majors, computer science etc.
That was almost 10 years ago and I've looked over the careers of my distance colleagues since to see how they've faired. The people that have stayed very much in projects appear to frequently get laid off or need to change jobs after 3 - 5 years. A mechanical engineer I knew doing mechanical engineering when I knew him I see switched a decade later to sales and has had that job for 12 years. Sales in engineering can have a strong customer support. The most disturbing aspect is the lack of family development when it appears after 3-5 years these people switch to a different place of work. You may want to seriously consider options that allow for easier family development.
When I was going to WV Tech my rail fan buddy was John Carrier a civil engineering student from Albany NY. He wanted to get a job with the NY State highway department. To me that sounded like a dead end to personal growth and experience at the time. I wanted to go to work for a uprising Silicon Valley type firm as an EE. I later got the idea John's mother who worked in the state government in Albany NY had likely asked around a lot and looked into John's interest in civil engineering and railroads and had likely directed him towards a government job in civil engineering for its stability. At the time I didn't say anything, but I thought it was likely a dead end to ever become anybody. I have since with my volunteer association with rails-to-trails, I came up with the term Rail-Trail in 1991 when a volunteer with the Coalition for the Capital Crescent Trail in Bethesda MD, found it is common to see people in state highway departments that have been there 6 - 12 years. There is a deep feeling of public benefit and accomplishment at least it is more evident than I've seen in many regular private firms. I've also talked to a person applying for our town manger that was a civil engineer. I talked to him and told him since being in EE school I've gotten more interested in the actual occupation of civil engineering from the experiences I've had. He said it doesn't pay well.
@douglasengle2704
Very interesting info, thank you
You guys can hate on the CS degrees all you want but it's essential with today's technology. I got my CS degree a lot later in life but I'll tell you right now it's worth it. Again, this depends on the person and how much experience they have. Just because you have en EE degree DOES NOT mean you know jack sh*t. I know this first hand working for engineering firms without any degree. I do have a wide background from working in the IBEW, telecom companies, radio towers and so on but someone with an engineering degree does not define smartness. Be wary with some of the comments in this thread. Nowadays, you can learn anything anywhere and have more experience than the next person. A piece of paper doesn't make anyone more or less qualified.
this ranking is not same for all countries. here in my country civil engineering is #1 .
Which country?
Biomedical engineering gang here
It is meaningless that you rank engineering without personal interest. The mindset is the gateway to any opportunity 🎉.
what engineering degree would you need for optical engineering?
Good question. I would say either physics or electrical engineering.
Typically Physics or Electrical Engineering. I did mechanical engineering and currently an opto-mechanical engineer so you could get into optics field with other degrees too.
Go into control systems and automation. We're going to be shorthanded in that arena for decades at this rate.
High school student here, with promising outcomes. Have above average maths skills and a great GPA. Want to do something challenging, and perhaps science relating. What would be a good engineering career choice?
the one that you're the most interested in
going to buy your book :)
thanks!
I would be a chemical engineer rather than a materials engineer, but I want to be apart of the more theoretical part of the job and be able to conduct my own small experiments instead of working with a team to make equipment that's used for making other stuff. I've heard that's mostly the role of chemical engineers.
Dare I say it would be like making a bowl or spoon for making a cake rather than making the cake itself or perfecting the recipie ? I'm still in undergrad, idk what I'm talking about. Halp plz
Not an expert by any means (aerospace engineering student), but engineering/science is not a field where you just go at it by yourself. Even in research, you will still need at least a small team to be able to assist with lab work in addition to sharing equipment with other teams and collaborating with experts in other fields.
As far as I understand it, most materials science graduates will eventually end up in some sort of research position since materials science focuses on developing new materials for real-world problems. There may be roles in companies where you just perform smaller changes to existing materials, but if you are interested in research, there are plenty of National Laboratories, Universities, and other R&D departments at companies thay would have that type of position available.
Materials science is not usually used to make equipment directly, but there could be a device the necessitates the development of a material with certain properties and you might research a material with those properties. Chemical engineering usually refers to liquids, gases, plasmas, etc. while materials science generally refers to solids. However, I am sure there are cases where one does the other.
I would definitely look more into what chemical engineers and materials science engineering are before proceeding since they take very different courses.
Well unfortunately one thing you can't avoid is working in teams, given that Engineering in itself involves problems that require an iterative process meaning the best way to minimize that repetitive process is to be immensed in a team that validates each other's work, solve complex engineering problems in less time than required and eliminate errors or biases within one's work
@@adlawnmariga Well said, you captured the necessity of teamwork much better than I did in my reply.
@@withjoe1880 Thanks guys. I believe I'm more interested in materials science because it's debatably a more flexible and broad field than chem engineering. I believe you can become a chemical engineer faster as a materials scientist than vice versa.
I actually don't mind working on a team btw, but I, like many people just want the freedom to get paid to study/experiment with what I find interesting. Lmk what you think, and thanks for the replies
You can do both! I got my B.S. in ChemE, and my master's in Materials Engineering. In my experience, ChemE is gives you more flexibility. With it, you could end up working as a materials engineer, or an environmental engineer, or even in pharma. Later on, when you have a better idea of what you like, you can specialize with a master's, which is what I did.
You missed one, 'Electro-mechanical/Packaging Engineer' its a combination of ME with a dose of IE and EE tossed in. This engineer designs the unit that puts 10 lbs of electronics and housing into a 5 lbs package that survives what ever the Customer uses it in, is producible in high volume with no defects and looks good. Did I mention low cost as well.
Hey what do you think about ece(electronics and communication engineering). Is its growth and demand same as electrical engineers please someone clarify
I you gave clues, can you describe what specific industry and companies each engineering discipline fall into?
Im an ee, but this spills out into mechanical, chemical, software, and other disciplines, my work is never boring, but i do spend a lot of time on Google, i use online calculators frequently
My wife says computer science doesnt count as engineering. She is a computer engineer. Thoughts on that?
Seems like it depends on what college you go to. Computer Science was a part of the engineering department at my university, so I view it as an engineering degree. But not all universities are the same.
I have a CS degree and I’m a software engineer. Your wife works on hardware, we work on software.
@@Hostessmoses I'm saying that you are not an engineer, self proclaimed. Because engineers take a lot more math than computer science requires.
@@dreamleaf6784 so now it’s just about how much math you take? I took, “algebra for engineering majors” freshman year. Into pre-calc 1 and 2 sophomore year. Discrete and linear mathematics Junior year. No math Senior year. Had the same classes as EE and MEngineers. They took MORE, yes. But at the end of the day my title is still “Software Engineer” and I work with EE’s and ME’s everyday
@@Hostessmoses I'm just saying it's kinda just a title. I mean I can call myself the queen of england if I want. I'm just pointing out that it's really debatable for many reasons if software engineer is the correct way to describe those jobs. Some say because it isn't physically done, it's not engineering. Like chemical, or structural or mechanical.
The real question is why does anyone care that they are called a software engineer. I'll go by computer scientist. Lol
ChemE was #1 when I graduated from U 45 years ago. I was in CSE before the rise of FAANG boosted the salaries in CS.
It's not the rise of FANNG, it's the rise of access to affordable computers, tablets and mobile devices that the consumer has.
To get a job with a material engineering degree do you need a master's?
It's always good to have masters for your CV, especially if you base your masters thesis on scientific research of new material or some cutting edge way of utilizing existing material. Pieces of that thesis can easily be published in journals or conference papers which is another reference for job applications.
Not only does computer engineer/science get paid well, it is more likely to be teleworking
Which is nice in itself, but also facilitates overemployment
only thing better than a 150k job is 2 150K jobs
Are u ready to compete against 14 y/o boys learning computer by just googling and youtube?
@@prohibited1125 There are plenty of jobs to go around. Projected 25% growth...there's no need to be worried about other programmers. Just worry about yourself and improving your skills.
Electronics Engineering is always left out, but nowadays in Italy it's the "most wanted" for sure, and I think also abroad it's one of the best
It is a part of electrical engineering
In my country we Electrical engineering, Electronics and Communications Engineering and Electrical and electronics engineering is three different engineering degrees.