You Should Use Spell Scrolls in Your D&D 5e Game 📜 Everything You Need to Know!
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Spell Scrolls are the easiest magic items to implement in your game, and I'll explain why. Learn everything you need to know to develop a fondness for Spell Scrolls in #DND5e, and that goes for DMs and players alike.
Follow along and explore #DND information regarding Spell Scrolls (I include the variant rule for scroll mishaps in my article): www.flutesloot.com/dnd-5e-spe...
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00:00 Intro and article link
00:48 Q&A format
01:16 What is a Spell Scroll?
01:47 How are Spell Scrolls created?
02:28 Do Spell Scrolls require concentration?
02:45 DCs and spellcasting modifiers of Spell Scrolls.
03:31 Crafting your own Spell Scrolls.
04:00 Magic item crafting table reference.
04:51 Order of the Scribes Wizards and Spell Scrolls.
05:36 Who can use a Spell Scroll and how does it work?
06:04 Skill check to activate Spell Scrolls that are beyond your power.
06:55 PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!
07:14 Thief Rogues freely using Spell Scrolls.
08:07 Reward Wizards with Spell Scrolls especially.
09:12 Spell Scroll DC/modifier reference table.
09:31 Flavor freedom for what a Spell Scroll can be.
10:17 Outro - tell me what you think!
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Scrolls are game changers! I'm going to cover it too eventually but anyways, I dont understand why people aren't jumping up and down about it. Like Good berry scrolls are just better than healing potions, Bless scrolls beats baseline damage with ease, shield scrolls, gift of alacrity scrolls, Expeditious retreat scrolls, Absorb elements scrolls, Healing word scrolls, Pass without trace scrolls, Misty step scrolls, Revivify scrolls!
Like revivify scrolls, I've never had a player ask for a revivify scroll ever! I have to either ask that or give them that...
You know what I'm talking about! Spell Scrolls are amazing, and many of them can be created with relative ease if they're not found.
@@FlutesLoot My Rangers/cleric has 32 bless scrolls. I try to use am every fight but sometimes I just cant because of better options in spell casting.
@@PackTactics lol I've never heard of such scroll surplus
@@FlutesLoot I had a lot of downtime and a lot of money lol.
@@PackTactics downtime with wealth is a beautiful thing
I'm a sorcerer main, and let me tell you, scrolls are where it's at. If there's a spell I *know* I use a lot in combat, I like as many scrolls containing that spell as possible. Saves me spell slots when I'm most likely to need them. Also, as a sorcerer, I'll take anything that loosens my "known" restrictions
This is the way!
Updates!
---I missed that there is a table specifically for spell scroll creation in XGtE. I've updated my article to include that table, which is slightly more granular than the table I engineered based on rarity. The XGtE table is great for differentiating a 2nd-level spell scroll from a 3rd-level spell scroll for cost and crafting time, which were previously the same if you were just using the scroll's rarity for crafting.
---It was pointed out to me that the DC and spellcasting modifier of a spell cast from a spell scroll is determined by the level of the spell, not the original caster. I am not sure where I got the impression that a caster could determine the DC and modifier when creating a spell scroll, so I edited that in my article.
Artificers have some abilities that can really help with spell scrolls. Enhanced Arcane Focus (from level 2) gives you a +1 bonus to attack roll spells (including from scrolls, rising to +2 at level 10). Flash of Genius at level 7 can give you (or even better someone else) an int mod boost to their ability check to use an 'over level' scroll. Magic Item Adept at level 10 allows you to craft spell scrolls up to spell level 3 at a quarter of the time and half the cost. And best of all Magic Item Savant at level 14 grants you the same ability as the Thief rogue - you can use any scroll (any magic item) without needing to meet any of the requirements :)
Shard! I hadn't considered how well the Artificer is suited to using spell scrolls! I have to update my article to mention Artificers.
@@FlutesLoot Artificers are great :) So versatile
I have a Thief build with prof in Medicine and Religion capable of using up to 5th Spell Scrolls guaranteed (As with a 0 Int and Reliable Talent, the lowest you can roll is a 15 with Reliable Talent). If I ever get to play this character, I'm hoping to convince my DM to sell me all the Scrolls and ask my Spellcasting Companions to throw Spell Scrolls my way after they've learned them. Cause a Spell Casting Rogue is truly the best thing ever.
Just imagine a Rogue Concentrating on Bless instead of the Cleric, holding an upcast Intellect Fortress for the party in place of the Wizard, or a casting a clutch Healing Word/Mass Healing Word when the Healer drops.
I love the idea! Make sure your DM rules that you can add proficiency bonus to your attempts to use Spell Scrolls. By the book (DMG), you wouldn't add proficiency bonus, so it wouldn't sync with Reliable Talent.
@@FlutesLoot Ah Drat! I thought it used an Arcana/Religion Check (Depending on if it was Arcane/Divine Spell Scroll to cast the spell) I just re-read it but the check is only to copy it.
I'll see about checking with my DM on his rules about using spell scrolls or adding my proficiency. I think I may have confused RAW with some homebrew.
Though the character is a Reborn, so I can still use my Memories of Another Life to add 1d6 as it is an ability check.
@@Athkore Yeah, it's still a fun concept even if you can't make Reliable Talent apply :)
I think that; for downtime, wizards and other spell casters should be making spell scrolls.
It's a great way to pass the time! You can essentially create more spell slots for yourself in the form of spell scrolls.
@@FlutesLoot Yea and for casters who have access to the full spell list (clerics and druids) they can maybe prepare scrolls that are more niche and often less picked.
@@patrickslayter9946 smart way to play and manage resources.
I was actually trying to find advice on the following, which led me to this video.
I am playing a now 11th lvl stars druid in CoS. I do have Arcana proficiency, what spell scrolls would you recommend me to stockpile? I currently have 22 wis (was able to read a tome of understanding), so I can actually prepare a rather large list.
I actually made like 4 scrolls to help the wizard add to his spellbook. But the DM actually told me to pay the same rate the wizard uses to copy into their book (2hrs + 50g per spell level).
I'm double checking if he's going to let me continue to make scrolls at that rate, cus is actually REALLY cheap
@@ewokrover5823 what a bargain! haha
If you have the time and means to create spell scrolls, you might consider the NPCs traveling with you and whether or not they can cast spells. Since you're a Druid, it may be hard to find Druidic NPCs. But you can create spell scrolls that overlap with other spell lists like Wizards, as you've been doing. Spells that deal radiant damage are great (Sunbeam). Goodberry scrolls can be useful. Lots of interesting possibilities, though you'll know best what suits your situation and party.
Excellent, just subscribed! The channel Twisted Tentacle Inn sent me.
Awesome! I hadn't heard of TTI but will check out the channel :)
Very nice. Thanks for the tables.
You're welcome!
Scrolls are great. I houserule in my games that anyone can use scrolls, it doesn't need to be on your list. This way, I'm able to reward characters with limited uses of abilities that are usually outside their (or the party's) capabilities without it needing to be a big-name magic item. Because, honestly, whenever I give my players scrolls with spells they already know or could have otherwise learned, the absolute disappointment is palpable! Yeah, they might be useful, but where's the fun in that? If they wanted to cast Pulse Wave, they would have chosen it instead of fireball when they levelled up!
It's a fine houserule for groups that don't spam downtime for crafting :P Spell Scrolls are excellent rewards, and they can open up player creativity! Fighters who normally couldn't cast a spell could have options that won't break the game or demand that another party member take the item.
@@FlutesLoot If my players decide to spam downtime for crafting scrolls they're going to be enjoying a very fun story hook about the mage's guild getting up in their business about unlicensed spell scroll production with intent to unlawfully distribute! You can't just let anyone get their hands on those sorts of things, after all!
@@s0niKu I love it!
Yes letting everyone use scrolls with a check only is a great mechanic and fun rewards for everyone. Almost the weirder the spell you give them the more potential fun.There are so many spells that people never choose.
@@jarydf Exactly. Adding variety to the game is fun.
I would love to hear about creative uses of spells in a video.
I will add that to my idea list! In the meantime, you may enjoy some of the spell deep-dives that Bilbrons and Dragons does on his RUclips channel. I also have a few spell analyses on FlutesLoot.com that you can read. I believe my best spell article is on Dream: www.flutesloot.com/5e-dream-spell-the-spell-youre-sleeping-on/
Great content
Thank you!
Ah spell scrolls. one of the things that break game balance further and make pure martials feel more inferior. we get rewarded scrolls and can craft scrolls at our table but it's not a big deal as our DM has a very strict, expanded magic item attunement/use rules. i can talk about it further if you're interested but in a nutshell it limits:
1. the amount of magic items a player can have on their person, both permanent and consumable.
2. the amount of magic items a player can attune to.
3. the amount of times the "use a magic item" action per unique item per day.
4. the rarity of the magic items a player can have dependent on their level.
5. the amount of magic items that can be stored in containers such as bag of holding.
break those limits and mishaps happen. :D
since caster have more access to stuff like scrolls, they essentially break the limits of spell slots and thus become as sustainable as a martial but with more power/better effects.
personally, i'd advise the opposite of what you're advising to newer DMs. unless you have a system in place that would ensure game balance (or a table that doesn't care or is primarily composed of full casters), i'd recommend not awarding non-ritual scrolls as treasure/buyable in shops in big amounts and on a consistent basis nor allowing crafting of scrolls. the spell slots limiter system imo is a good way to balance casters against martials/gishes and should be retained.
Good considerations
I have so many questions about Spell Scrolls that I may pop!
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1. You mentioned Wizards, but can any Spellcaster with proficiency in Arcana craft a Scroll from the spells they know?
2. Can you create a Scroll by casting a spell as a Ritual?
3. If you create a scroll by casting it as a Ritual, then would the casting time when you read the Scroll add 10 minutes?
4. Can you read a Scroll silently, or does it need to be read aloud?
5. Does casting a spell from a Scroll require any Spell Components, or are they all provided when the spell is created?
6. If casting a spell from a Scroll does not require any Spell Components, then can it be targeted with Counterspell?
1. Correct, any spellcaster can create a spell scroll if they meet the criteria.
2. Yes, as long as you prepare or know the spell.
3. No.
4. It depends who you ask.
5. All components (VSM) are provided by the scroll, though the scroll itself is considered a pseudo component of sorts.
6. See answers 4 and 5 and then ask your DM :) www.sageadvice.eu/casting-from-a-spell-scroll-it-doesnt-say-it-requires-v-s-components/
@@FlutesLoot Thank you!
Excellent questions! Thank you for bringing them up.
Really liked the videos, scrolls that aren't scrolls? I believe in 2E the the Deep Gnomes had Spell Gems.
Thank you! And 5e used that concept in the module Out of the Abyss. I played through that one and we were able to purchase gems for storing spells.
Can you do non archane spells? Like cleric spells?
Yes, you can!
I keep putting scrolls, and single use magic items (class unlocked scrolls) in loot and they NEVER use them. They hoard them. I remind them they have them, they still won't use them. lol They're level 11 now and they still have scrolls they got at level 2-3. Probably gave them 40+ over the past two years and they've used.... one? Maybe two. They seem convinced that someday will be the "perfect" time to use them. Potions too.
I'm a recovering hoarder myself. I played in enough campaigns that ended with me having a bunch of stuff to know that I need to use my resources. :P
@@FlutesLoot it feels like that same thing as having a notebook too nice to write in. But then, what is it? A paperweight? lol
@@yanaleigh that's entirely relatable lol
Great video! What about the language the scroll is written in? Can a warlock read a wizard’s scroll spell? As GM, should I determine the language? Could it be translated? Thanks.
Fun questions that the rules don't cover :)
GM decides
4 Elements Monk, or a Ranger (wisdom modifier) is casting a level 3 fireball scroll. Does he roll against his intelligence or wisdom? Are there any proficiency bonuses or is it just the stat bonus?
You use your spellcasting modifier when you have to roll to cast from a spell scroll, so a Ranger would use Wisdom. A Ranger couldn't cast Fireball since Fireball isn't a Ranger spell, so the Ranger wouldn't use a Fireball spell scroll.
You don't add your proficiency bonus to the roll, kinda like Counterspell or Dispel Magic rolls. A Bard would be particularly good at casting greater spell scrolls because Jack of All Trades would function as a bonus to the spell scroll roll.
Four Elements Monks don't actually have the Spellcasting class feature, so they don't have a spell list. Their spells come from specific elemental disciplines that differ from the usual spellcasting functionality. Four Elements Monks can't use spell scrolls.
@@FlutesLoot Yet another reason to be unhappy with Monk! No scrolls for Monk... Not even Monks with "Spell Casting" equivalent features.
Also I'm dissapointed that you can't cast something that isn't on your spell list. So the Eldritch Knight can't do Combat Medic with a spell scroll, even though he has a spell casting ability.
So ONLY Thief Rogues at 13th level can use ANY scroll... but Archane Trickster Rogue can't?
@@Zr0din the Thief at level 13 could cast a spell from any spell scroll without rolling, haha. The Arcane Trickster would be limited Wizard spells, and would often need to roll since its spell slots are low levels.
Yea, Monks disappoint again, haha. The same would apply for Shadow Monks since their spells are based on specific ki abilities, not a Spellcasting feature.
1) could a spellcaster that has multi-classed into barbarian use a spell scroll while raging?
2) how does crafting a spell scroll interact with the warlock invocation “aspect of the moon“ which lets you do light activity instead of sleeping or elf trance and still gain the benefit of a long rest?
3) Would a tome warlock be able to prepare spell scrolls from spells they have added to their tome that are not otherwise on the warlock spell list?
4) do you have a similar video to this one on the magic items “spell wrought tattoos” from TCoE?
5) when you craft your own scroll, does the attack bonus and saving throw DC match your character’s DC or does it only ever match the saving throw DC and attack bonus of a found scroll?
Thanks for the questions!
1) No, the reader of the scroll is treated as the caster of the spell, and Rage doesn't allow spellcasting.
2) Many players have realized they can use Aspect of the Moon to craft spell scrolls during downtime. It's a fun trick! You just need DM permission to count magic item crafting as light activity. It might depend on how much time you're spending on it. The PHB says about an hour of spellcasting can be done during long rests.
3) By the rules, the spell scrolls are based on spell lists, not known spells. However, it's reasonable to assume you could do this. Ask your DM; it should be an easy sell.
4) I don't have a video or article on Spell Wrought Tattoos at this time.
5) When you craft your own spell scroll, treat the DC or attack modifier as you were when you crafted the spell. In other words, use your character's ability scores, not the default spell scroll DCs/modifiers.
@@FlutesLoot Thank you.
Also, what is the use restriction on people like paladins or eldritch knights?
If a spell within a spell scroll is on your class spell list, you can attempt to cast it. Eldritch Knights have the spellcasting feature and it uses the Wizard spell list, so they can attempt to cast a Wizard spell from a spell scroll. Paladins have their own spell list, so they can cast Paladin spells from spell scrolls.
I love using scrolls in my games but often find the mechanics confusing because the DMG says "Any creature that can understand a written language can read the arcane script on a scroll and attempt to
activate it" on pg 139. So if my fighter is literate he can attempt to use one?
The way they implemented the rules for spell scrolls is odd. Literate creatures can *attempt* to activate it. In order to succeed in activating the scroll, they need to meet the requirements I described in the video/article, such as having the scroll's spell on a spell list. (I'm going off memory here since I haven't used a spell scroll in a while, but the knowledge is immortalized in the content, lol)
If I make a spell scroll of Mirror Image, do I use up a 2nd level spell slot (literally cast it) to make that scroll?
Xanathar's Guide to Everything and the DMG do not specify that a spell slot must be used up in order to scribe a Spell Scroll. It's odd that a spell slot isn't used up or anything during the scribing process, but that's what the rules say.
@@FlutesLoot i was thinking it would be like Ring of Spell storing where you cast spell into ring.
For me, I’d use runes for my Spell Scrolls
Skyrim made me love runes
Can you create an wish spell scroll ?
Yes! It would take a long time and require much wealth.
And if no components are needed am i actilually "casting" a spell when reading a scroll? Or is it "if I had cast it"?
This is a gray area that the 5e rules don't clarify.
Some people think Counterspell can't work on a spell cast from a spell scroll, while others think it can, for example.
Here's what I wrote in my article:
"By the rules after DMG errata, maybe?! The errata explains that spell scrolls negate material components for casting, but magic items generally do not require verbal, somatic, or material components to cast spells with them. This Jeremy Crawford tweet implies that even without VSM components, the spellcasting would still be perceptible as the activation of the scroll is perceptible (implying Counterspell would work).
This is 100% one of those “ask your DM” rules. I’ve done enough research for you to know that’s the conclusion, haha!
Sage Advice 1 on the subject, and Sage Advice 2. You can start a healthy debate on Reddit about this if you’re in the mood for a rules war."
@@FlutesLoot I'm not in the mood. Been doing it all day. Thanks so much for the reply!!!
Spell scrolls is one way I give wizards their new spells 😉
As it should be! Wizards love to find scrolls.
How do you feel about a wizard copying a spell scroll and still getting to keep it to me it doesn't make sense that the scroll disappears your just copying it to your spellbook not using it
I'd allow it, and I might even make it the norm when I DM.
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i gave a party of 2 2nd level people a scroll of true restriction... :/ I'm a new dm
lol classic
10:04 Literally Tasha's Cauldron except only up to level 5 and also NO NEED TO HAVE ANY SPELL LIST
Oh, interesting! Are you referring to a magic item, or did I miss a rule from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything about spell scrolls?
@@FlutesLoot Spellwrought Tattoos! I highly recommend!
@@youtubeuniversity3638 oh I see what you meant now! Yes, exactly right. I love the options for Spellwrought Tattoos. It'd be easy to create one that functions as a spell scroll. :)
@@FlutesLoot A pal of mine was very disappointed scrolls were spell list locked, even considered that invalidating of the concept as a whole. Needless to say, Spellwroughts are precisely what they needed.
@@youtubeuniversity3638 Spellwrought Tattoos are a welcome addition to the game :)
This is not how I've been using spell scrolls... if a hypergenius fighter with 20 int wants to learn how to cast magic via scrolls I think he should be able to learn how to craft them, though I can see how mechanically that'd be quite busted
I don't think it's so busted in the grand scheme of things. I like opening things up.
The crafting system in D&D 5E is completelly idiotic. 10,000 days to craft a level 9 scroll that is single use... let's think about that... we are talking about 28 years of working 16 hours a day to craft it. In what universe does that make any sense?
Clearly, only elves with their longevity are supposed to craft such items in this system :P
Xanathar's makes it so a level-9 scroll takes 48 weeks to craft. It's still very expensive. I have a table to quickly reference the XGtE spell scroll crafting rules: www.flutesloot.com/dnd-5e-spell-scrolls-explained-magic-items/
@@FlutesLootEven for elves it would not make sense. That is too much effort for something that is single use. For my wold, I have replaced all that crap with more logical crafting times. 1 day per spell level. So a level 9 scroll will take just over a week of full time work to craft which is pretty long still. What could take so long to write a single page? I don't know but I feel this way it prevents mass production of these scrolls. I did the same thing for potions that also had ridiculous crafting times.
@@Calendyr right, I made the elf comment in jest. I think DMs should take the crafting system and make it their own because the defaults are poor.
20,000 days… really?
Referring to the prescribed time for a non-consumable magic item, yes, that is what the books say to do. XGtE has different rules for spell scrolls, for example, that don't prescribe anything over 48 weeks for a level-nine spell scroll. This can be hastened with more people contributing to the project.
I imagine most groups set their own timelines when dealing with magic item crafting because the RAW is impractical to how people play the game.
How long would you prescribe for players to craft a legendary item?