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Only $2500 to literally sell your voice is INSANE. This is why I’ll never tradpub. In the end, companies want easy money and they will sell your soul to cash in. And “hundreds of authors agreed”?? Yeah uh. I highly doubt it. They probably couldn’t say no because of something in their contract 🤢
Can confirm on B&N: I went there yesterday on a day off and it was still bustling. Weekends are a lot more packed, too. Lots of tables with 'booktok' recommendations, notes and recommendations from employees, etc. Employees are happy to make recommendations personally and so are other shoppers. Seems like it creates a better communal experience.
@@jbyker2205 what publisher? I enjoy going into them. They have a lot of enthusiastic and knowledgeable employees and it’s nice to interact with them versus just ordering books online all the time. Which I do also, of course.
As an aspiring author, the current state of AI stuff makes me very sad. There's always been the danger that your works will be used without your permission or plagiarized into a new version, but it's hard right to not feel disheartened. When I'm finished writing, will there be anywhere I can go to publish my work that won't feed it into some dumb computer?
On a postive note about Harper, now my TBR will be a little lighter with not purchasing any of their books. Sorry to any of those authors, but I had the realization awhile back I will die before I read everything I want to. So making decisions to not support those publishers is something I can live with. I'll go get my books through someone else.
I knew it was only a matter of time before publishers started selling out to AI. Really hoping more publishers follow Penguin Random House’s lead, but I won’t hold my breath. 😣
Is Hades really even trying something new? Just sounds like the Hercules version of Maleficent. I can't be the only one who remembers Maleficent, can I? It was only... holy shit, it's been 10 years since Maleficent came out!?
When they came out with Maleficent they were genuinely trying something different that wasn't tied to their original Sleeping Beauty movie. If it's a standalone like Maleficent or Cruella, they can do something really special. If they do it more like Christopher Robin... Well.
Now we'll have to distinguish between Hades the god of the underworld, Hades the awesome, beautifully crafted Indie game, and Hades the movie that no one wanted or cares about.
It even fits better since original Maleficent was just straight up petty and evil, but mythological Hades was the nice one of the three top gods (his brothers Zeus and Poseidon). Not great (hoo boy)...but much nicer.
I stopped going to Barnes and Noble when their Science Fiction & Fantasy section shrank from 2.5 aisles to 1ish aisle. If they want me back, they can return to carrying an actual stock of books for me to browse. A few "curated tables" doesn't interest me, and won't get me back. I'll go to the local used book store and get to enjoy an actual book-browsing experience.
One reason bookstores are shrinking genre sections, is because publishers are not publishing good books anymore (for the most part) they are excluding straight white men who are new authors from the industry and the few voices that are not part of that demographic that are genuinely good authors are not there in enough numbers to make the publishers shit loads of money. The publishers are so focused on publishing terrible books by activists pretending to be authors, who are using fiction as a soap box to brainwash impressionable minds into believing nonsense. Especially in the YA sphere. I know this cause I have three friends who are agents who are now having to work a part time regular job as they can't sell books by straight white guys and increasing straight white women. And they as agents get sent the books by activists and because they are terrible agenda pushing bits of trash, they reject them. But the industry is in overdrive with the activist pretend writers, that they get picked up by editors with or without agents. My agent friends have a roster of already established authors, that they are still agents for. But they are not taking on new authors. I know a few of aspiring authors (two straight white men, one straight white women, one straight male of colour and one bisexual lady of colour) who got rejected by publishers because they were straight and white, and or male. The male of colour refused to make his story and allegory for fighting slavery and the main character a male of colour at the publishers request. He also refused to use his skin colour as a way to market his book. The lady of colour had the similar requests from publishees about her book series, but the publisher requested that she make it a sapphic romance heavy story. And to use her sexuality as a marketing ploy. She refused. When these things are happening, publishers are left with a huge stack of authors they can't sell cause they are activists not writers, but they need to see those books, so bookstores at the request of publishers shrink things down, narrowing down the choices and removing good authors from shelves that actually sell. I've been into three Waterstones outlets here in the UK where they have removed Tolkien's entire catalogue of work, along with George RR Martin's and the wheel of time, and in the place of those works, they put books by various talentless hack activists pretending to be writers. The publishing industry has got bitten by the "get woke go broke" (fuck I hate that phrase, but you'll know what i mean when I say it) thing that Hollywood got bitten with back in 2010. Hopefully the publishing industry doesn't let it go on for too long and they stop it before they actually collapse.
@@Dil-DoeShaggings I've found plenty of authors of all types - I still buy books online, I buy at used book stores, and they aren't just "Woke" selections. No offense mate, but you sound like you are taking an opportunity to preach an ideology. Its true a lot of authors I grew up with aren't there any more - a lot of them died of old age or retired - but that doesn't just mean everyone is going woke. And honestly, if people like me aren't coming in any more because of the lack of selection, their remaining browsing audience might be who they are catering the limited selection to, but that's more a factor of corporate choice than what is being published. It doesn't sound like you go in much either, or if you do you go in angry and seeing a diversity of people you don't like. I'd go back in if they had a selection, I used to make several trips a year, but B&N is a fair drive from my rural location, and it literally just doesn't pay to waste my time going in to look at a single aisle of books.
Also how is "license for 3 years" supposed to work when they're just feeding it into a program? Like once it's fed in, you can't unfeed it - or I'd assume they would not go to the work of even attempting to. So really this is a lifetime license they are asking for.
I think AI is growing so fast that laws can't keep up. I'm hopeful that a lot of stuff that is legal now will become illegal in time. Or at least, the legality will be refined to better protect individual rights from corporate exploitation. In the meantime, BOO Harper Collins!!! BOOO!!!
AI generated things CAN NOT BE COPYWRITED. There are numerous rulings in the US on this. Without copywrite, art has no monetary value. Copywrite creates scarcity and scarcity drives profit.
It doesn’t matter, it’s only a matter a time before most media is produced all or in part by AI. Once it gets good enough authors/artists will use AI and either not disclose or use some undefined level of creative input as a legal workaround. There will be court cases and there will be very slick lawyers that will get case law on the books for ways to circumvent the law. If it’s good enough how would anyone know that’s it’s mostly AI generated. There will be no way to know. There also won’t be any new laws in the US to curb AI in that way either. The only AI laws that could get passed are actually ways for already huge AI corps to have a monopoly that’s disguised in regulations to protect people. The best thing to do now is learn how to use AI, like really use it well. Others will be using it and outcompete those who don’t. Fighting it is futile and you’ll be left in the dust.
@@lemonz1769 You're making some pretty big swings there bud. The only reason AI seems inevitable in all spaces is because companies have paid advertisers a lot of money to get you to think that. However, literature readers are nothing if not stubborn, and I fully believe that while, yes, there will be an influx of AI generated content and people will read that content, there will also be a serious cultural backlash and a lot of people will take pride in consuming human-generated work. AI is only inevitable if we let it. Yes, there are decisions that are being made without us, but we also get to make some of those decisions ourselves, and I would really hope you don't let your pessimism hurt other people who care about the integrity of art.
That's not true unfortunately. Copyright just gives the creator (or now the corporation who has bought the copyright) the ability to control the art for the term of the rights. That in itself doesn't confer value - a really bad book doesn't have value because it is copyrighted - it has value in the eyes of the creator, and maybe their friends and family, but not in the eyes of everyone else. Copyright has nothing to do with the value. Conversely, public domain works can be reprinted and have value (in the terms that people will buy copies). And that is restricting value to the proxy of money, which is problematic at times.
@@lemonz1769 Your pessimism is not warranted. Anyone who uses AI for their craft and says they aren't will be labeled as frauds by the public should it ever come out. And your notion that writers should just give up, and sell their soul to AI is insulting to the craft.
Please try Lord of Mysteries it's a dark fantasy and mystery set in an alternate Victorian-era world brimming with magic, mysticism, and secret societies.
Can't they train AI machine learning systems on public domain books? I mean, Project Gutenberg has over 70,000 titles. If the average title has 1000 words, that's 70 million words used in context. Is that not enough?
Not nearly enough for the scale at which some of these large language models are being trained. Also they probably want a larger sample of modern works.
I should also say that this is probably ultimately a non-issue. I doubt Harper Collins is making less than the authors. And paying between $3 and $5,000 per book to train an artificial intelligence is completely unsustainable. I applaud whatever AI company is trying to pay the authors. Pat, they won't get enough data before they run out of money. So ultimately this data set is going nowhere
More of the same. Remember Maleficent & Cruella? They ran out of princesses so it's onto the villains. You have to give Disney credit for being able to squeeze every dime out of every franchise until only a skeleton is left.
Very happy barnes and noble is doing so good. I was in the states in 2022, and was suprised how few bookstores there were. I was in NYC and Washington D C, in the big cities here in norway there is a bookstore in every street(just slightly exagersting here) happy that more barnes and noble are opening up
15:41 The irony of B&N turning to the business practices of all the bookshops they put out of business in order to stay afloat, plus the irony of B&N being the anti-Amazon.
I was recently at a Barnes and Noble (hadn't been in ages) and it was actually really busy. It was really awesome to see. They have definitely upped their game.
I am so fed up with live action remakes. But also... I was willign to let the horned helmets slip when it was computer animated but live action horned helmets looks to increadibly dumb.
That explains why the last time I went to Barne's and Noble, they had a stack of books at the counter, and based on the books I was purchasing, they recommended one to me. I cannot say I enjoyed the recommended book as much as the ones I bought, however, it was definitely interesting and I did enjoy parts of it. I also enjoyed the experience of someone actually selling me a book based on what I was interested in already! It excited me. I'm rather guilty of recommending books to people searching the shelves in bookstores as well.
Reminder: a business wouldn't offer you a lump sum for your work if they didn't expect to be making magnitudes more from the exchange. If the AI deal looks better than a traditional book deal, it's only because they want to eventually cut you out and/or make even more from it.
'AI will ruin your industry so at least get paid an insulting amount to let your stuff go' is very Pratchett's Thieves guild but with no guarantees where the balance will be found.
Arcane has so many plot threads I can't beleieve the official statement. Ekko is a popular champion and he has gotten barely any screen time this season.
Why are things like Pinocchio and The Little Mermaid being included in the copyright expiration horror wave? Pinocchio is from Carlo Collodi in the 1800s and The Little Mermaid is a Hans Christian Andersen story.
I love your videos and Fantasy news, but as a book lover, the past couple of fantasy news have felt like movie and show reveals only and barely anything about books.
So Barnes and Noble is taking something like the approach borders used to do before they micro managed themselves into the ground, quashing all initiative from their sellers, and killing the best chain bookstore there was
Well, I'm on Words of Radiance in my Stormlight re-read, so hopefully I'll have read Rhythm of War soon so I can watch the summary! ... I'll totally finish the reread in time for Wind and Truth... totally...
Huh. It's good to validated after years of arguing with other people that Barnes and Noble would NOT die, but instead would survive and start to thrive again. I've had so many debates with people on Reddit about this topic. I can't fathom how they didn't expect this to turn around at some point. Every doomsayer was all, "Amazon is going to destroy all bookstores!!!! Barnes and Noble will be dead in two years!!", and here we are, 5 years after those arguments, and oh, Barnes and Noble didn't die, bookstores didn't die, and oh, now they're starting to make comebacks. It's nice to see.
That Hyper Collins story just makes me want to cry as an aspiring author. AI making art obsolete is just enraging. I want robots to do my laundry for me so I have time to focus on art not machines making art for me. 😡
I guess publishers are going to either fall on the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" side or the "we need to protect our industry as much as possible" side. I agree that $2500 seems like an insulting amount. Granted, it's for 3 years, so they'd get more money for a potential license renewal, but it still seems too low. I also don't like this, because if people start getting their information from AI, only the information the AI has been fed/allowed will appear in the results. I don't want tech companies to have that much influence over what people are told.
How To Train Your Dragon live action looks great. The writer and director of the original is writing and directing the live action. Trailer released today.
High Tier Patreon of the day here, I really thought you‘d mess up my last name and I‘d get a funny moment, but I‘m happy to say you pronounced it better than many Germans I know. Well done!
I saw Wicked in early early access last night and there is a How to Train Your Dragon teaser trailer beforehand. It has Toothless and it looks pretty good! Still reserving judgement though.
The only interesting angle I've seen on the AI sale stuff comes from details I've heard from The Verge concerning the New York Times' copyright suit against OpenAI. For context, while the Times is suing OpenAI for copyright infringement for using Times' content as training data, other news outlets like Vox and The Atlantic and have struck deals with them analogous to what Daniel detailed here with Harper Collins, and similarly the amount of compensation in these deals were not particularly compelling. The gist however is that, if you want to claim that here has stolen value from you by training their AI on your content, you need to demonstrate that *there was actual value* there which you were deprived of the opportunity to capitalize on. I can't speak for Harper Collins, but a few of these news companies have more-or-less said off the record that they're less interested (at this time) in the dollar amounts of these contracts with AI companies, and more interested in the fact that PROVES, it DEMONSTRATES that there's value in these kinds of deals in the first place. If you can prove that there is a *market* for selling training data to AI companies, then that makes it easier to prove that some AI company has legitimately defrauded you when they train on your data without consent. Put in other words, selling content as training data to AI companies is per se an assertion that it is YOUR RIGHT to sell that content, and control when and whether it should be used as training data. I cannot speak for whether this is Harper Collins' motivation here, but I think it is a constructive step overall to have some publishers asserting their control over content-as-training-data in a negative (i.e. no-you-may-not) manner like Penguin Random House while others try to assert it in a positive (i.e. yes-but-per-this-contract) manner like Harper Collins.
Oooooh booktok. Thought it was booktalk, had no idea what that was... Thought maybe that's what they call the book-podcast world... Guess I'm getting older
Yeah, it takes a lot of data to train AI, but there is a lot out-of-copyright material to do so. Imho it would be an advantage if AI trained mostly on Jane Austen or Arthur Conan Doyle and the like, than on modern authors, its prose would be of far better quality. Even The Lord of the Ring get out of copyright in a mere 2 decades and will be then available for training. I would not really miss the modern themes from modern writing much in the AI responses.
Knowing that no contract will remain as-is and can be changed "at our discretion", there's no chance in Hell I'd ever agree to this. They tell me today that they claim no ownership and so on and so forth, and in three years, they decide to change those terms and now they can do what they want with the data you provided and there's nothing you can do about it. Of course, this change would happen just prior to the end of the three year term they talk about, because of course it would. Sooner or later, they'll change their TOS once they get what they want or need from it, and those who participated will now be left out of the loop and likely have their materials used at the company's discretion and no acknowledgement, let alone payment to the authors. No chance in Hell would I agree to this unless the contract was written as permanent and irrevocable and not subject to change without author's express WRITTEN consent. Be warned. They WILL change their TOS. They always do. As soon as they get what they want or need, it'll happen.
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they released the HTTYD teaser a couple hours after you made the video
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Please do Dark War by Glenn Cook book review 🙏
Why isn't Harper Collins ever in the news for something positive?
This is positive. The problem is you.
Because most people don’t read/watch positive news.
How is this news positive?@@jasongrundy1717
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@@jasongrundy1717The death of art isn't positive
Only $2500 to literally sell your voice is INSANE. This is why I’ll never tradpub. In the end, companies want easy money and they will sell your soul to cash in. And “hundreds of authors agreed”?? Yeah uh. I highly doubt it. They probably couldn’t say no because of something in their contract 🤢
Argumentum ad populum, the "bandwagon effect."
$2500 does NOT sound like a lot of money to sell your literary voice for! One day in the future, people will say "They paid HOW little?"
Can confirm on B&N: I went there yesterday on a day off and it was still bustling. Weekends are a lot more packed, too. Lots of tables with 'booktok' recommendations, notes and recommendations from employees, etc. Employees are happy to make recommendations personally and so are other shoppers. Seems like it creates a better communal experience.
Remember when B&N was the big bad store putting the little bookstores out of business?
@@sdstarr01now B&N is the little guy trying to resist Amazon
I love that they are keeping up with booktube, etc and are making going to their stores a fun experience. Nothing beats being in a physical bookstore.
B&N sucks, but that is the publishers’ fault not the stores.
@@jbyker2205 what publisher? I enjoy going into them. They have a lot of enthusiastic and knowledgeable employees and it’s nice to interact with them versus just ordering books online all the time. Which I do also, of course.
As an aspiring author, the current state of AI stuff makes me very sad.
There's always been the danger that your works will be used without your permission or plagiarized into a new version, but it's hard right to not feel disheartened. When I'm finished writing, will there be anywhere I can go to publish my work that won't feed it into some dumb computer?
On a postive note about Harper, now my TBR will be a little lighter with not purchasing any of their books. Sorry to any of those authors, but I had the realization awhile back I will die before I read everything I want to. So making decisions to not support those publishers is something I can live with. I'll go get my books through someone else.
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you are not by any chance related to somebody who likes to shout out Adonalsium every once in a while?:D
I knew it was only a matter of time before publishers started selling out to AI. Really hoping more publishers follow Penguin Random House’s lead, but I won’t hold my breath. 😣
Hey at least they’re offering money. Adobe just assumed it was okay to teach their A.I with everyone’s photography and not pay us.🤷🏼
If you were gonna pay me for books I wrote. It have to be big chunk of money cus they essentially gonna put authors out of business
Retirement kind of money and even then...
Harper Collins needs to read a book- specifically On Tyranny where it reminds us to not obey in advance… 😂
Is Hades really even trying something new? Just sounds like the Hercules version of Maleficent. I can't be the only one who remembers Maleficent, can I? It was only... holy shit, it's been 10 years since Maleficent came out!?
honestly I am not entirely against it IF they actually do something on a Maleficent level.
It would be nice to see Hades's side story to see him as an anti hero.
When they came out with Maleficent they were genuinely trying something different that wasn't tied to their original Sleeping Beauty movie. If it's a standalone like Maleficent or Cruella, they can do something really special. If they do it more like Christopher Robin... Well.
Now we'll have to distinguish between Hades the god of the underworld, Hades the awesome, beautifully crafted Indie game, and Hades the movie that no one wanted or cares about.
It even fits better since original Maleficent was just straight up petty and evil, but mythological Hades was the nice one of the three top gods (his brothers Zeus and Poseidon). Not great (hoo boy)...but much nicer.
Reading fiction increases empathy, something we desperately need today, so the more readers the better.
I stopped going to Barnes and Noble when their Science Fiction & Fantasy section shrank from 2.5 aisles to 1ish aisle. If they want me back, they can return to carrying an actual stock of books for me to browse. A few "curated tables" doesn't interest me, and won't get me back. I'll go to the local used book store and get to enjoy an actual book-browsing experience.
One reason bookstores are shrinking genre sections, is because publishers are not publishing good books anymore (for the most part) they are excluding straight white men who are new authors from the industry and the few voices that are not part of that demographic that are genuinely good authors are not there in enough numbers to make the publishers shit loads of money. The publishers are so focused on publishing terrible books by activists pretending to be authors, who are using fiction as a soap box to brainwash impressionable minds into believing nonsense. Especially in the YA sphere. I know this cause I have three friends who are agents who are now having to work a part time regular job as they can't sell books by straight white guys and increasing straight white women. And they as agents get sent the books by activists and because they are terrible agenda pushing bits of trash, they reject them. But the industry is in overdrive with the activist pretend writers, that they get picked up by editors with or without agents. My agent friends have a roster of already established authors, that they are still agents for. But they are not taking on new authors. I know a few of aspiring authors (two straight white men, one straight white women, one straight male of colour and one bisexual lady of colour) who got rejected by publishers because they were straight and white, and or male. The male of colour refused to make his story and allegory for fighting slavery and the main character a male of colour at the publishers request. He also refused to use his skin colour as a way to market his book. The lady of colour had the similar requests from publishees about her book series, but the publisher requested that she make it a sapphic romance heavy story. And to use her sexuality as a marketing ploy. She refused.
When these things are happening, publishers are left with a huge stack of authors they can't sell cause they are activists not writers, but they need to see those books, so bookstores at the request of publishers shrink things down, narrowing down the choices and removing good authors from shelves that actually sell.
I've been into three Waterstones outlets here in the UK where they have removed Tolkien's entire catalogue of work, along with George RR Martin's and the wheel of time, and in the place of those works, they put books by various talentless hack activists pretending to be writers.
The publishing industry has got bitten by the "get woke go broke" (fuck I hate that phrase, but you'll know what i mean when I say it) thing that Hollywood got bitten with back in 2010.
Hopefully the publishing industry doesn't let it go on for too long and they stop it before they actually collapse.
Maybe we can lobby for a Fantasy News recommendations table!
@@Dil-DoeShaggings I've found plenty of authors of all types - I still buy books online, I buy at used book stores, and they aren't just "Woke" selections. No offense mate, but you sound like you are taking an opportunity to preach an ideology. Its true a lot of authors I grew up with aren't there any more - a lot of them died of old age or retired - but that doesn't just mean everyone is going woke. And honestly, if people like me aren't coming in any more because of the lack of selection, their remaining browsing audience might be who they are catering the limited selection to, but that's more a factor of corporate choice than what is being published. It doesn't sound like you go in much either, or if you do you go in angry and seeing a diversity of people you don't like.
I'd go back in if they had a selection, I used to make several trips a year, but B&N is a fair drive from my rural location, and it literally just doesn't pay to waste my time going in to look at a single aisle of books.
@Dil-DoeShaggings You heard it here first, only straight white men write good books!
2500 per title is insanely abysmal for full license to use your entire written work for... whatever they decide to use it for in an LLM 😑😑
Also how is "license for 3 years" supposed to work when they're just feeding it into a program? Like once it's fed in, you can't unfeed it - or I'd assume they would not go to the work of even attempting to. So really this is a lifetime license they are asking for.
@@joannamarieart the 3 year term part really got me too! How are you going to prove that part of the contract HC??
$2500?? That’s it?? I mean, it’s awful that they’re even doing this but ONLY $2500? Wow.
I think AI is growing so fast that laws can't keep up. I'm hopeful that a lot of stuff that is legal now will become illegal in time. Or at least, the legality will be refined to better protect individual rights from corporate exploitation.
In the meantime, BOO Harper Collins!!! BOOO!!!
it will not become illegal
AI generated things CAN NOT BE COPYWRITED. There are numerous rulings in the US on this. Without copywrite, art has no monetary value. Copywrite creates scarcity and scarcity drives profit.
It doesn’t matter, it’s only a matter a time before most media is produced all or in part by AI. Once it gets good enough authors/artists will use AI and either not disclose or use some undefined level of creative input as a legal workaround. There will be court cases and there will be very slick lawyers that will get case law on the books for ways to circumvent the law. If it’s good enough how would anyone know that’s it’s mostly AI generated. There will be no way to know. There also won’t be any new laws in the US to curb AI in that way either. The only AI laws that could get passed are actually ways for already huge AI corps to have a monopoly that’s disguised in regulations to protect people. The best thing to do now is learn how to use AI, like really use it well. Others will be using it and outcompete those who don’t. Fighting it is futile and you’ll be left in the dust.
@@lemonz1769 You're making some pretty big swings there bud.
The only reason AI seems inevitable in all spaces is because companies have paid advertisers a lot of money to get you to think that. However, literature readers are nothing if not stubborn, and I fully believe that while, yes, there will be an influx of AI generated content and people will read that content, there will also be a serious cultural backlash and a lot of people will take pride in consuming human-generated work. AI is only inevitable if we let it. Yes, there are decisions that are being made without us, but we also get to make some of those decisions ourselves, and I would really hope you don't let your pessimism hurt other people who care about the integrity of art.
Ever seen a Shakespeare movie? Or Jane Austen? Both out of copyright, both still making people money.
Don’t diss the public domain!
That's not true unfortunately. Copyright just gives the creator (or now the corporation who has bought the copyright) the ability to control the art for the term of the rights.
That in itself doesn't confer value - a really bad book doesn't have value because it is copyrighted - it has value in the eyes of the creator, and maybe their friends and family, but not in the eyes of everyone else. Copyright has nothing to do with the value.
Conversely, public domain works can be reprinted and have value (in the terms that people will buy copies). And that is restricting value to the proxy of money, which is problematic at times.
@@lemonz1769 Your pessimism is not warranted. Anyone who uses AI for their craft and says they aren't will be labeled as frauds by the public should it ever come out. And your notion that writers should just give up, and sell their soul to AI is insulting to the craft.
Please try Lord of Mysteries it's a dark fantasy and mystery set in an alternate Victorian-era world brimming with magic, mysticism, and secret societies.
It’s also getting an animation adaptation next year ! Which looks very promising
The future be looking dark 😳
Can't they train AI machine learning systems on public domain books? I mean, Project Gutenberg has over 70,000 titles. If the average title has 1000 words, that's 70 million words used in context. Is that not enough?
Not nearly enough for the scale at which some of these large language models are being trained. Also they probably want a larger sample of modern works.
Harper Collins saying "replace us" as of their are also an author had the same energy as Jeff bezos calling himself a journalist
I should also say that this is probably ultimately a non-issue. I doubt Harper Collins is making less than the authors. And paying between $3 and $5,000 per book to train an artificial intelligence is completely unsustainable.
I applaud whatever AI company is trying to pay the authors. Pat, they won't get enough data before they run out of money. So ultimately this data set is going nowhere
More of the same. Remember Maleficent & Cruella? They ran out of princesses so it's onto the villains. You have to give Disney credit for being able to squeeze every dime out of every franchise until only a skeleton is left.
Very happy barnes and noble is doing so good. I was in the states in 2022, and was suprised how few bookstores there were. I was in NYC and Washington D C, in the big cities here in norway there is a bookstore in every street(just slightly exagersting here) happy that more barnes and noble are opening up
15:41 The irony of B&N turning to the business practices of all the bookshops they put out of business in order to stay afloat, plus the irony of B&N being the anti-Amazon.
Doubtful. I doubt B&N is to blame. Talking to book store owners where I live small book stores failed because of the owner & mistakes they made.
I was recently at a Barnes and Noble (hadn't been in ages) and it was actually really busy. It was really awesome to see. They have definitely upped their game.
HTTYD just pulled a sanderson on you lol
I am so fed up with live action remakes. But also... I was willign to let the horned helmets slip when it was computer animated but live action horned helmets looks to increadibly dumb.
I think we need a petition or something around this.
But... "There's always hope..." for the poor authors who sold themsleves that is.
Blessings!
That explains why the last time I went to Barne's and Noble, they had a stack of books at the counter, and based on the books I was purchasing, they recommended one to me.
I cannot say I enjoyed the recommended book as much as the ones I bought, however, it was definitely interesting and I did enjoy parts of it. I also enjoyed the experience of someone actually selling me a book based on what I was interested in already! It excited me.
I'm rather guilty of recommending books to people searching the shelves in bookstores as well.
Reminder: a business wouldn't offer you a lump sum for your work if they didn't expect to be making magnitudes more from the exchange. If the AI deal looks better than a traditional book deal, it's only because they want to eventually cut you out and/or make even more from it.
'AI will ruin your industry so at least get paid an insulting amount to let your stuff go' is very Pratchett's Thieves guild but with no guarantees where the balance will be found.
$2500? With two zeros? 30 years? With a zero? Let's move the 0 after that 3 over to 25 and it's a question.
I hope they give them royalties for every time the AI generates a story 😂
They wouldn’t be so keen if that was the case.
Please cover more of these low budget non copyrighted horror movies, they are so dumb and fun, just the kind of news we need from time to time
Arcane has so many plot threads I can't beleieve the official statement. Ekko is a popular champion and he has gotten barely any screen time this season.
Why are things like Pinocchio and The Little Mermaid being included in the copyright expiration horror wave? Pinocchio is from Carlo Collodi in the 1800s and The Little Mermaid is a Hans Christian Andersen story.
The original stories are adaptable and have been for a while! The disney versions aren't.
I love your videos and Fantasy news, but as a book lover, the past couple of fantasy news have felt like movie and show reveals only and barely anything about books.
Harper Collins...icky!
Stephen King...awesome!
Barnes & Noble...yay!
I wish there is a way to feed those AI models some crappy trash I’ve written, so they would never get good 💀
So Barnes and Noble is taking something like the approach borders used to do before they micro managed themselves into the ground, quashing all initiative from their sellers, and killing the best chain bookstore there was
Well, I'm on Words of Radiance in my Stormlight re-read, so hopefully I'll have read Rhythm of War soon so I can watch the summary!
... I'll totally finish the reread in time for Wind and Truth... totally...
"High quality adult focused animation didn't exist before Arcane". Yes, because evidently Japan doesn't exist.
Alternatively, they're dismissing the entirety of the medium as "Low Quality"...
Cant wait for the " Devils " 😈
It is fantastic that they are sending an official painting guide with the dragon model
that live action how to train your dragon be looking like a capitol one commercial smh
Huh. It's good to validated after years of arguing with other people that Barnes and Noble would NOT die, but instead would survive and start to thrive again. I've had so many debates with people on Reddit about this topic. I can't fathom how they didn't expect this to turn around at some point. Every doomsayer was all, "Amazon is going to destroy all bookstores!!!! Barnes and Noble will be dead in two years!!", and here we are, 5 years after those arguments, and oh, Barnes and Noble didn't die, bookstores didn't die, and oh, now they're starting to make comebacks. It's nice to see.
You need a Sandersonesque "Bing" graphic for your word count reveal each week 🙂
That Hyper Collins story just makes me want to cry as an aspiring author. AI making art obsolete is just enraging. I want robots to do my laundry for me so I have time to focus on art not machines making art for me. 😡
First episode of Dune: the sisterhood is out. Do you plan to cover it in the upcoming news or dedicated vids?
I guess publishers are going to either fall on the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" side or the "we need to protect our industry as much as possible" side. I agree that $2500 seems like an insulting amount. Granted, it's for 3 years, so they'd get more money for a potential license renewal, but it still seems too low. I also don't like this, because if people start getting their information from AI, only the information the AI has been fed/allowed will appear in the results. I don't want tech companies to have that much influence over what people are told.
That Sylspear tattoo is absolutelt stunning!
How To Train Your Dragon live action looks great. The writer and director of the original is writing and directing the live action. Trailer released today.
I do love the idea of low budget horror movies of popular IPs, however, do they need to always be slashers? It just feels uninspired
High Tier Patreon of the day here, I really thought you‘d mess up my last name and I‘d get a funny moment, but I‘m happy to say you pronounced it better than many Germans I know. Well done!
I have been seeing plenty of Barnes and Noble videos on TikTok, so that could’ve helped it
First Taylor & Francis, now Harper Collins. Yep, this'll be a trend.
So is the live action How To train Your Dragon movie just a live action version of the animated movies, or is it actually adapting the book?
Thanks for the news!
Right at the source of the flow
Why watch live action HTTYD when you could watch animated HTTYD again instead
Genuinely tho. The animation look holds up. The live action looks silly as anything.
Ah yes $2,500 for AI to be able to replicate your work for ever
I am all over that Elf Quest
Love hearing Book Guys rendition of the outro!!! 🔥🎵🔥
Love you Daniel watching your videos while eating lunch is a daily highlight:)
a whole how to train your dragon trailer released this morning
Red/yellow/amber lighting = jaundice with some skin tones
nice 'stache. Hopefully by the end of the month it will deserve the full name !!!!!!
I saw Wicked in early early access last night and there is a How to Train Your Dragon teaser trailer beforehand. It has Toothless and it looks pretty good! Still reserving judgement though.
$2,500? Better add at least three more zeroes if they prefer authors to be unemployed.
I got excited for a second that the little mermaid horror movie would be undersea eldritch weirdness, but that footage does not inspire confidence
"The sea hides its dead" seems promisable. I hope it gets published soon.
Looking good Daniel.
Love my Tuesdays!
Epic guitar outro ftw!!!!!! 🎸
I'm not judging anyone for watching bad movies. I just watched 'Hot Frosty' the other day. I recommend it, was a fun time 🤣
I still have and treasure the first 6 ElfQuest books in their hard-cover, full-color release from Father Tree Press in the early 90's
How come you and Mike's Book Reviews never collabed on a video before? Him and Merph have made content together
11:24 thank you 🫡
There is a HTTYD sequel show in case you were not aware. It's not considered very good but it does exist.
they are trying to legally stiff the authors 😭
Crazy that Daniel got Henry Cavill to host this week.
The only interesting angle I've seen on the AI sale stuff comes from details I've heard from The Verge concerning the New York Times' copyright suit against OpenAI. For context, while the Times is suing OpenAI for copyright infringement for using Times' content as training data, other news outlets like Vox and The Atlantic and have struck deals with them analogous to what Daniel detailed here with Harper Collins, and similarly the amount of compensation in these deals were not particularly compelling.
The gist however is that, if you want to claim that here has stolen value from you by training their AI on your content, you need to demonstrate that *there was actual value* there which you were deprived of the opportunity to capitalize on. I can't speak for Harper Collins, but a few of these news companies have more-or-less said off the record that they're less interested (at this time) in the dollar amounts of these contracts with AI companies, and more interested in the fact that PROVES, it DEMONSTRATES that there's value in these kinds of deals in the first place. If you can prove that there is a *market* for selling training data to AI companies, then that makes it easier to prove that some AI company has legitimately defrauded you when they train on your data without consent.
Put in other words, selling content as training data to AI companies is per se an assertion that it is YOUR RIGHT to sell that content, and control when and whether it should be used as training data. I cannot speak for whether this is Harper Collins' motivation here, but I think it is a constructive step overall to have some publishers asserting their control over content-as-training-data in a negative (i.e. no-you-may-not) manner like Penguin Random House while others try to assert it in a positive (i.e. yes-but-per-this-contract) manner like Harper Collins.
Oooooh booktok. Thought it was booktalk, had no idea what that was... Thought maybe that's what they call the book-podcast world... Guess I'm getting older
I've enjoyed going to Barns and Noble recently. Feels kinda like Borders used to.
Gotta agree with the Sofie Turner casting; always thought her acting was rather flat and wooden.
Yeah, it takes a lot of data to train AI, but there is a lot out-of-copyright material to do so. Imho it would be an advantage if AI trained mostly on Jane Austen or Arthur Conan Doyle and the like, than on modern authors, its prose would be of far better quality. Even The Lord of the Ring get out of copyright in a mere 2 decades and will be then available for training. I would not really miss the modern themes from modern writing much in the AI responses.
i am not ready for the end of arcane
Knowing that no contract will remain as-is and can be changed "at our discretion", there's no chance in Hell I'd ever agree to this. They tell me today that they claim no ownership and so on and so forth, and in three years, they decide to change those terms and now they can do what they want with the data you provided and there's nothing you can do about it. Of course, this change would happen just prior to the end of the three year term they talk about, because of course it would.
Sooner or later, they'll change their TOS once they get what they want or need from it, and those who participated will now be left out of the loop and likely have their materials used at the company's discretion and no acknowledgement, let alone payment to the authors.
No chance in Hell would I agree to this unless the contract was written as permanent and irrevocable and not subject to change without author's express WRITTEN consent.
Be warned.
They WILL change their TOS. They always do. As soon as they get what they want or need, it'll happen.
lol they just dropped the How to Train Your Dragon teaser trailer
To give the smallest amount of credit: at least they dont outright steal the contents of their books.
Add a couple extra zeroes and...still, no.
A TEASER FOR HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON JUST RELEASED
Aw damn. I love Daniel kibblesmith and jennifer Wright
If it wasn't for books I'd be "snnnnnffff"ing all the time. Thanks books 🙌
Day 55 of asking the Goblin to give Made in Abyss a try.
Let the AI Wars begin.
Who's here after the how to train your dragon trailer?
Daniel looking buffed up is he reaching Goblin Prime? 🔥