My Response to Jennifer Lynx: "The Problem With Pettube (100 PETS!!!!)"
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- This is my take on "The problem with pettube"
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There’s a big difference between someone with a large number of animals who takes good care of them, and someone who has a large number of animals and does not. It’s clear that you’re someone who takes good care of them.
Preach hunter frickin preach !!
👏👏👏 animal keeping is not a “one size fits all” hobby. You can have 3 pets and neglect them, or 100 pets and take care of them wonderfully.
Support creators that take proper care of their animals, regardless of if that is 1 pet or 100+ pets.
I totally agree! My sis had 3 pets and she couldn't take proper care of any of them. I have 20+ pets (mostly adopted and I adopted 1 of my sis's 3 pets aka the most neglected 1, the other 2 given to my uncle) and I can proudly say that I take good care of all my pets. Their enclosures might just be a little bigger than "minimum" required size (my house is pretty small) but at least they are surely all healthy, active and happy. Ppl should know what's their limits. If you can't take good care of an animal till their last day on Earth, cos you're overwhelmed and whatsoever reasons that you need to rehome them later, then you should not keep pets. If you can't even take care of yourself, then you should never never never keep any other animal. I only support creators that really take care of their pets not just for the sake of creating videos to get likes or views then throw away or rehome their once called pets. Imo, quantity wasn't that important. What's important is quality. Oh I'm not a pet hoarder coz I've 20+ pets, most of my pets are rescued. Ive stopped adopting any coz I know my limits on how many can I take care of (& space limits) and I don't want rescue or adopt more and later on I'm overwhelmed (lol) and I can't give my best to my pets. And ppl, please adopt don't buy. And and, before you adopt/buy any animals, be sure you have done your "homework" & have enough $ standby aside in case of emergency.
I totally agree with you. Your animals all look very well cared for.
I have 1 bird. That's plenty for me, but other people can have many pets and take excellent care of them. Part of responsible pet ownership is knowing your own limits and not exceeding that.
Yas Maddie! I can't believe she threw thumbnails up of you, Tyler, Emily... Nope.
Beautifully said. A lot of you guys videos are informational, and help us make better decisions about how prepared we are to care for new/more animals. 🖤
Seeing Snake Discovery in there is a shame considering they're breeders and are just opening their zoo/adoption center. :/
yeah, it is a... bold choice to include professional reptile breeders/educators as examples of "animal hoarders" lol
@@InternSeraph and also some of the people have more than 2 people who care for the animals too. Just because a channel has 1 face for it doesn't mean they always live alone. Some people are married, some people have facilities and some are dating. That's 2 or more people taking care of 40 animals (most of which are reptiles, insects and arachnids which are far easier to care for than caring for 10 dogs, cats, birds ect who can't even have enclosures).
I know I was shocked to see a Snake Discovery thumbnail in there
That's very true
Why should breeders be held to a different standard? If anything, they are more complicit in the problem with the pet industry by mass producing consumable products and Snake Discovery absolutely doesn't provide a large number of their animals with enough space for the very reason that they have to have large quantities of them in order to be breeders with a profitable business. You guys are making excuses for a situation that is entirely induced by human materialism and profit driven motivations.
I honestly see way more issue with a lot of tiktok animals videos then youtubers. So many animals put in terrible situations for a laugh or to look cute!
I can’t even go on tiktok for this reason. It’s a black hole of neglectful situations
Omg yes this is the exact reason I deleted tiktok. Got in too many arguments with people who know f all about even the most basics of pet care! 😂
I love TikTok, it keeps my simple brain distracted, BUT pet tok is just horrendous. Especially for small pets. Like people laughing at how their hamsters died or dropping them on camera. It's just sad.
It’s only problematic if you can’t take care of your animals
Which happens a lot sadly enough even on RUclips
Purr ! Only offended creators of that video should really think about why they are upset .. no one was called out .. there thumbnails fit the mold and narrative of her point .. why be upset if you used the titles she is talking about …? SUS
And that's the point that Jenny was making in the first place. I think people have gotten weirdly bent up about the thumbnails instead of her point
@@PuppyMintMocha they feel attacked which is sus like are they butthurt because they don’t actually take care of them ??
@@AlexMartinez-bu1et yeah, I mean I think I generally trust that Tyler takes good care of his animals. But I think the people feeling attacked just need to re-evaluate what Jennifer's message was really about instead of focusing on the thumbnails she used and responding in a way that downplays the actual problem
I’m really glad to see so many people sharing their opinions. No matter the animals we keep, or the numbers, I’m proud to know PetTubers who truly love and care for their animals, like you and Maddie do. I love the passion you both have for your breeding projects, and I LOVE how much emphasis you’ve put on great animal care. What you keep, and in how many numbers will always be a source of debate for people when shared online, but I know your care is exquisite, and I know your dedication to being a responsible RUclipsr is also top notch. No matter what, we *should* be aware that we do have influencer, but as with all other content on RUclips, we don’t make decisions for others. Everyone should aim to keep only what they can afford to, whether that’s 1 animal or more.
Well put! And as a viewer it's nice to see y'all supporting one another. 💞
So true. You have known Ty and Maddie for years, i am just a follower, but he has all the animals from start to grave and that is something that is rare for so many. Same with you and your babies. There is something special as a viewer to "know" these babies for their whole lives. Also, im going to miss your sweet Zombie. 💔💖
Well said em, I feel like her video doesn't take a lot into account and has a very narrow perspective. I mean I have 1000+ tarantulas and give what I hope is great care and have a channel BUT I also have that many as I contribute to a lot of captive breeding and run 2 companies that breed/sell to people in the hobby .....so am I promoting hoarding 🤔🤔🤔
@@robbiestalkingts This is the opposite of hoarding. She shouldn't have used that terminology at all. Hoarding is a mental illness and in all my years of rescue, i only seen a few cases in person. It sounds like you are helping your hobby in many ways. Keep up the good work.
@@Adulting_Autistic I know, I just think without knowledge of circumstance for every single case, to use such a narrow point of view is unneeded and unnecessary. Yes there are people out there that do have mental illness and horde animals which is a serious subject and does need addressing, but I feel her video was just clout chasing and really didn't touch on the reality of things.i appreciate the nice comment, and hope you're having a great day 😊
Not only did she “call out” breeders, or people that have multiple people taking care of the animals, and people with reptile zoos…. She “called out” an animal sanctuary (Adri rachelle, I might’ve spelt that wrong lol) so that’s what really threw me off. She made some good points, but proceeded to make her experience the only experience. I don’t make videos and have 50+ pets. And it has nothing to do with making money, or views etc. it’s about the love for these animals. Plus it’s really easy to get a big collection when you own things like reptiles and farm animals.
Exactly
Exactly! I haven’t made much content but I also have 30+ exotics and obviously I’m not owning them “for the views” considering I don’t even post 🤷♀️
On top of including adri (who frequently shows the downside and emotional/ finical stress of running a nonprofit sanctuary) something else that bugged me is she included Stephanie Moratto who owns a farm so she’s obviously going to have a large number of animals considering having a flock of chickens will increase that number by a lot. You could go to almost any farm and they would have well over 50 animals if not over 100. Her video could have been great if she just left out the thumbnails because she clearly doesn’t know much about the individuals she included.
@@peanutbutter8744 exactly! I not only have reptiles and small animals, but a hobby farm. My goats and chickens etc all jump that number up quick.
wow Adri? she's an animal Rescue who works hours and hours with her animals so they have the best care. this just prooves she made that video to start drama. i've donated to Adri several times and will continue to.
say it with me everyone, the amount of animals you own does not define how you care for them. the way you care for them defines that.
“I’m not confident that someone that has that many pets can care for them properly…”
Can you imagine telling Ants Canada or other invertebrate/arthropod keepers that they’re neglectful or “hoarders” because they have 1000+ individual animals?
When that many insects are probably less work and maintenance than a single dog.
This was my thought too. I have 36 tarantulas and a scorpion. I also have 2 coonhounds. It takes me less effort and money to provide my tarantulas appropriate care for a year than it takes for me to care for my 2 dogs in a month.
Oh my! I didn’t know she used my thumbnail or even made this video. What! They’re jumping spiders 😅 I keep spiders and rarely actually show any of my other animals that I keep personally for myself! That really surprises me but it’s okay!! I just wish she took a second to talk to me and get to know how I keep my pets instead of judging me as a youtuber.
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I just think that she was totally unethical by using other creators thumbnails to pointing as something negative…now that’s gross.
And used a term from a health issue it’s unbelievable… she should show some respect
And It’s a personal decision to get as many pets as everyone can actually take care and afford, based on very specific factors; some people would love to see hundreds of pets in a video, some other won’t, if she doesn’t like it then she can totally scroll that’s it
At one point I had 300+ baby jumpers before they were sold, guess I’m a hoarder too 😅
This lady is just mad that these people who own all these animals are more successful and she literally can’t do it.
I don't want to be hateful toward anybody, but she really should have spoken with the people (including you) she "calls out" before making the video. Especially if she's using specific people's images... It seems disrespectful. 😕
Tyler, We all know how well you care for all of your animals and how responsible you are as a pet owner. I do agree with a lot she covers in the video although I don’t think it’s fair that she used your thumbnails 🤨
You can't just look at the number of animals owned and say "hoarder." It's about the quality of the care the animals are getting. And you have happy and healthy BIRDS, that's no small feat.
I've watched her for a long time, and I kind of feel like this is super personal for her. She had a hard time with all of her fish and so she thinks anyone else who has that many animals to take care of must also be having a really hard time/doing a bad job. Just because she can't do it doesn't mean that others also can't.
Right I’m not even a pet RUclipsr and I also have a ton of pets. Honestly her whole vid although well meaning came off as a personal attack. Like yes the goldfish community in some small circles (shows, meeting groups and forums) dose encourage to have an insane amount of pets, however that’s a small portion of a larger community. You can’t just paint all pet RUclips’s with a broad brush stroke like that. She even put emzotic in her examples, like Dude Emzotic is a animal educator with a reasonable amount of pets like wth.
I've not watched her videos, but the impression I got just from the clips were exactly this. Seemed personal and her not really being able to think beyond her ability ( also perhaps fear that in not having a large number herself anymore would mean a loss of viewers but Idk the timeline)
Yeah it seems like she's projecting...
She threw away an opportunity to point out true issues in a community like animal hoarding, negligence, abuse, and overcrowding by using responsible ‘pettubers’ as examples. This is a huge problem, but not with Tyler and those like him who keep their animals in amazing setups with enrichment for days. I wish she could have explained these issues without dragging random people into it who have nothing to do with the problem and purposely educate about the same issues. It just frustrates me. Anyone can neglect an animal whether is 1 or 300. Let’s start harping on the channels that actually neglect their animals, instead of pointing out number as if it means anything towards husbandry. Ugh. Just common sense y’all. Please use your common sense 😭😬
As someone who has worked with animal shelters for years, you are far from an animal hoarder. The animals that I have seen rescued from hoarding situations are miles away from your animals. They are abused and neglected. Your animals are not.
Wow Snake Discovery too?? They are reptile breeders mainly and just opened a facility. As well as a lot of the RUclipsrs mentioned are also trying to start breeding projects and keep their animals in above bare minium enclosures just like you do. It's really a shame that to address something that can be an issue she only "called out" people who are actually putting in the work and providing their animals amazing quality of life no matter how many animals they do happen to have
It just killed me that she used em in the "buying new animals all the time" category when, for them, it makes sense. They're breeders, they run a reptile business, they now have a facility/zoo, and they now take in rescues. The inclusion of their thumbnail feels blind and stupid
@@kellyedwards421 For real! Especially since just because we see a video of someone getting a new pet we don't see the potential months or even years of wanting this animal and having the enclosure for the animal set up weeks before you even get it or have the chance to. Animal hoarding and impulsive purchases can be a problem but if she had actually watched any of this videos she would realize these people do actually provide excellent care for their animals
More than that, Snake Discovery uses their animals for educational shows and programs. But Jennifer even used used a Aquarium Co Op thumbnail and they are a fish..F.I.S.H store. smh. THOSE are businesses of course there are a lot of animals. It irks me that she used her personal negative experiences to target other youtubers. Heck, she didn't even use any thumbnails of the legit problematic "pettubers". Its insane.
I feel like this video was just be hateful and realistically just start a fight (jennys video)
proves that she doesn't fact check before sharing "her opinions"
Like people that say, “I don’t mean to interrupt but……” and then keep going.
Yes. Yes you did mean to interrupt.
I see people with ONE pet that are neglecting them. Then there’s so many in the reptile community, with many reptiles, who’s care is amazing. Good response video.
i liked the points you made in this video! I also wanna say, thank you for the point about mental disorders! as someone who actually has both ocd and ptsd it’s irritating to see people throw mental health terms around without understanding the weight of those terms!
You're 100% correct, by using the thumbnails she points out all of them as bad (and putting Snake Discovery there med her lose all credibility).
As long as each animal is getting the proper care and attention, why does it matter how many pets you have? I know people with only 1-2 pets who a shite owners, and people with 10+ pets who are amazing.
Side note, the way she calls out a bunch of pettubers who imo are good pet owners, just seems toxic, attention seeking, and like she wants to start drama. That's just my opinion. "Im not gunna name names or call anyone out" *proceeds to put thumbnails of well known pettubers* edit: the amount of presuming /assuming she does in her video is my BIGGEST pet peeve about people.
How is "having less pets = better pet owner" in her mind? Im sorry but the more i watched her video the more i think "Girl, what was the point of this, besides to spark controversy?"
Yeah, I thought it was an odd point for her to make against the PetTube community. Having many pets and showing them to others doesn’t automatically encourage others to need many pets. The whole point of PetTube is to document everyone’s companions and share good information about them and their care, breeding, etc. As someone who did have many animals before my disability started, I always enjoyed the PetTube community, and there are many responsible PetTubers out there (the majority). I never had gotten the impression that PetTubers are encouraging what she was mentioning in her video. Not being able to have many animals now because of my disability’s symptoms, it’s fun to watch them all, as I can still enjoy something I can no longer do. If I didn’t have PetTubers to watch that document what they do, I’d likely be struggling a lot more to cope with my condition (as it is severally limiting and I have given a lot up). If anything, they help reinforce that pets are a large commitment, and that we should never get over our heads, as we are jeopardizing both the animals and our own well-being.
I feel like her video had some really good points when you consider the average viewer who is possibly thinking of getting into pet keeping. I may be wrong but when I was watching I noticed she included thumbnails of fishtubers she's also collabed with, it felt like more of a random, non discriminatory array of thumbnails that would pop up in search results to not 'call out one inidividual'. Which understandably has been taken personally...
yeah... i kinda feel like everyone took this way too personally. like how tyler popped off about the term 'animal hoarding' being used, at all in her video. hoarding runs in my family, so im really sensitive about that term too. but what she said wasnt wrong or offensive at all. there are a lot of channels on here who are lowkey encouraging animal hoarding, and others who genuinely are hoarding animals. you dont have to be diagnosed to have a disorder
and as someone whos watched a fair bit of commentary content, i didnt feel like she was calling anyone out specifically with those thumbnails either. those are just the thumbnails that get the most clicks, which pettubers are well aware of, hence why they put "60+ animals!!!!" in their titles. regardless of how good your care is, the truth is that the vast majority of people cannot and/or will not take proper care of that many animals... most people barely care for the one and only pet they have. and by making videos that emphasize a large number of animals, you are inevitably going to encourage someone to buy another animal, and maybe another... and maybe another. but they take that risk, and even emphasize it in the titles for views.
dont get me wrong, i love the idea of pettube. but as long as these people are filming themelves buying new animals, bragging about the numbers in their titles, and showing off exotic species that are far more complicated to care for than you could ever explain in a video, i cant reallly say that 'callout' video is wrong
@@somedude172 I agree! So I have a kingsnake in a very big custom made enclosure with uvb and everything, also every 4 months totally different decor. So total cost is like more than 1000 euro for the beginning alone with a Terra closet in the price included. If I have to do this for even 20 snakes no that doesn't work. I rather take care for 1 animal than 20 animals mediocre care. I don't see many snake keepers use UVB for example and it bothers me A LOT!
People love taking things personally. What gets views are large numbers of animals, that makes people get large numbers of animals even when they can't care for them and the people with smaller collections are ignored. The average person cannot care for these numbers of animals yet these videos push those ideas, especially when most of the audience of these videos are kids and teens. No one was calling out any of the people in the thumb nails and we all know who cares for their animals and who don't. It's all blatantly obvious but it flew over their heads. Anyone who felt attacked obviously are questioning their choices. If it didn't apply to them there is no reason to feel called out.
@@somedude172 i mostly agree with you but i think the issue is that even if all my animal videos never existed, people would still see animals people own and still get them and still not care for them, the issue isnt videos of this type but the fact that getting animals without doing research and improper care of animals (for example betta's and hamsters and working breed dogs) is so normalized
to add, yes, making these kinds of videos might encourage people to get another animal and another animal, but a video only talking about one animal can do the same, same with seeing an animal at a friends house, etc, i mean hell when i was young i was convinced i needed a kinkajou just cause i saw one at an animal rescue, irresponsible pet owners will continue to own irresponsibly even if all of my animals videos just stop existing, and have existed for long before these type of videos did
(ps sorry if i repeated myself at all LOL, im bad at typing long messages)
@@somedude172 The problem is that she used THEIR thumbnails and they proceed to say people who have a lot like them and used those type of thumbnails can't possibly care for their animals. Imo that was direct shade towards those pet tubers.
She was projecting, and then self promoting. 😬
And the casual suggestion that someone is a hoarder is terrible.
Hoarding is a devastating illness that ruins people's lives.
The entire point of your, Maddie’s, Emma’s and Emily’s/Ed’s channels are to promote good pet keeping. Every video you guys make shows exactly how much you care for your pets. All you your enclosures are above minimum size and we can see the dedication to having enrichment in every enclosure upgrade or pet room your video. For someone to call you guys people who promote hoarding is so disappointing. Thank you all for your amazing educational videos and for setting good examples of what good pet parents look like ❤️
I was literally gonna say the same thing and move nearly all their videos and show how much they They love and care for their animals so for someone To say that there are hoarders are horrible is absolutely horrible because I've seen the afteraffect animals have from living in order houses the neglect is horrible. I worked at the local animal shelter in my area
What she's talking about is truly a huge issue, and it's sad that such a great opportunity to spread awareness was thrown away. It's unfair to generalize an ENTIRE group of people, especially people who work their asses off for their animals happiness and livelihood, just to be told THIS. I'm sure she wasn't trying to be hostile, but it comes off that way. I totally get using examples to illustrate your point, but would it be so hard to choose thumbnails from people who are actually apart of the problem? Tyler is not an "example" of animal hoarding, negligence, or promotion of animal hoarding. All of his videos exhibit excellent amimal care, his advice is always accurate, and like he said and showed he leaves disclaimers. Again, just really unfortunate that she wasted an opportunity to shine some light on actual issues within the community, and I hope that she'll improve upon that in the future because her videos are amazing.
Agreed. There was a very good opportunity to show bad examples of pettubers but she doesn't do that. She shows the ones giving proper good care for their animals which gives the viewer the wrong ppl to watch out for.
Imagine calling out people actively promoting animal welfare, positivity and how to improve your pet care-oh wait
I’m a big fan of her, but I think she missed the mark with this video. This was a very nice and respectful response, bravo!
I agree. She had the good intention but poor execution.
Same! And I’m kinda confused
I think she’s pretty upset with pet-tube and I mean she’s got history here she went through trauma with her pets and her business and that’s valid but it does not mean all of pet-tube is the problem.
Tarantula Kat in there too?? Spiders are so so easy to take care of. It's easy to have many and not do much work.
Thank you. I've followed Jennie for years but her video definitely rubbed me the wrong way and I believe she owes some folks a clarification/apology, at least if she wants to maintain that she isn't personally attacking them. Even if it was inadvertent on her part, she was throwing shade on a lot of folks who have exceptional care and do a lot in terms of education. Also, I understand that there's a lack of understanding from the general public about how hands-off pet reptiles are (in that they don't need frequent handling and interaction.) But Jennie has reptiles herself, and has very recently talked about how much less stressful they are in terms of their needs than aquariums. A lot of the channels she's made examples of are predominantly reptile keepers.
I too have followed her for many years and agree with you. I can’t see her meaning to throw shade at RUclipsrs like snakediscovery. We don’t know until she clarifies. I hope it was just a misunderstanding and I imagine she’ll respond soon enough. I like seeing fair, unbiased comments like yours.
I feel like she is only doing this for numbers and I will NOT watch an apology or excuse video which would be giving her even more numbers. When I like a RUclipsr, I watch their ads. Even go grab a sandwich and watch a long ad. But I'll quit watching her ads. Simple math.
I agree
She really sounds like a hypocrite
I saw her video too and I have exactly 50 tarantulas and 1 cat. I thought "okay girl, you don't like how some other youtubers do and you think other people have too many animals. Cool. Worry about yourself. Let me decide who I support, k thanks."
@Sifra Bolle tarantulas are easier than fish.. I put them on par with a low maintenance house plant.
Exactly. She's trying to manipulate her audience into watching her and not those other guys.
@@orandachildren1051 i am not going to guess her motives. I mean it's fine for her to give her opinions but it's not the kind of content i want to watch. Don't tell me how other people do or should keep the animals. Show me how you keep yours. Stay on topic. None of this was needed. If you want to make a video about how to know when you're acquiring too many animals, do that. That's a lot different then making a video complaining about other keepers.
This.
I think Jennie takes care of her animals and you do too. I have more animals than most
She killed all her fish.
I know this is old at this point, but I think people missed the actual point of her video because they're too caught up in the "ooh, she used my fav youtubers thumbnail!" With all the pettiness aside, I think her point is valid.
Commenting again after finishing your video:
There's a few people on RUclips that definitely use animals and don't know what they're doing, but people like you, elle, clint, snake discovery, wickan, ect . Are pretty great and taught me A LOT before getting reptiles.
Y'all take great care of the pets.
I'm truly disappointed in jen for using some great people as examples.
100% agree!! I love those people you mentioned and you are so right! I see nothing wrong with having a lot of animals if you take care of them!!
Honestly, I think her video would have been closer to her point of "I'm not calling anyone out" if she just didn't use any example thumbnails.
I think the thumbnail thing is being taken the wrong way, I noticed she even included her own thumbnails in that bit.i feel like she was just giving examples and not throwing shade, but she should have just left the thumbnails out altogether. :/
@@fioregiallo Nope, she's definitely calling them out. She wants their viewers to go to her. Adding her own thumbnails only throws off gullible people like you.
@@orandachildren1051 nope, she's just showing that it doesn't matter if you're a good caretaker or not, those types of videos are problematic. Viewers that are not knowledgeable about the amount of work it takes will have no idea who is good or bad. Most viewers of pettube are children. Also what about the "bad" creators in there? Taylor Dean? Kristen Leanne? King of DIY? Funny how the worst pettubers have the most followers...
@@fioregiallo She cares so much about the well being of animals that when people complained their fish were dying from her advice on her salt dip video, she turns off comments and kept the video up. Hilarious. That's Jenny the narcissist for you, she can never be wrong about anything in her little mind. And little mindless followers like you enable her pathological thinking.
@@fioregiallo She stated she found their content "gross" or something along those lines. If she didn't have a problem with those creators she wouldn't have posted their thumbnails there, period.
I've recently gotten to a place where I can have a variety of pets. Channels like yours, and the others mentioned, were actually a good influence for me. Because of channels like yours, the two lizards I already had (being kept with outdated information) received better enclosures, food, setups, etc. Once I improved their care, I started adding to my reptile family. They all have bioactive enclosures, and I breed a variety of roaches and crickets for them.
Jennie had some good points in her video but Tyler is absolutely right in the points he pointed out . A person can have a single pet and neglect it , while someone else can have 100 odd pets and yet give them the life they deserve ! As some who has been following Tyler for a very long time now , I do know that he really loves his pets and it’s not about the views , which I truly appreciate and like Tyler mentioned , when we see thumbnails that say 50+ or 100+ pets , we tend to watch those videos because we know that we’ll most probably never have that many pets ever !
I get to live vicariously through all y'all pettubers. Seems better than me getting all the animals I'm interested in and leaving it to people who are much more qualified.
Thanks for sharing your animals with us!
I honestly think thats half the reason those types of videos do so well. We want to live vicariously through those with a large variety/quantity of pets we couldn't possibly match ourselves
That's why I watch them too
Very well said, Tyler 👏 people forget that for some, taking care of these animals is your full time job. You literally make a living off of making their lives great.
Really loved this video! I think Jennifer made some really solid points in her video, and I appreciate that you didn’t discredit that. Ultimately the initial goal of her video was to have a productive conversation about the topic, and I think this video adds a lot of important insight.
However, I think it was totally wrong to associate your face and name with the concept of “glamorizing hoarding”. I think wanting to respond to that is very justified when your livelihood and reputation depends on your ability to provide your animals with the best care that you can.
I’ve seen your animals and your care in person while staying at your place, and can confirm you dedicate yourself fully to making sure your animals are thriving and enriched.
I agree, but when she said "less animals = better pet owner" made me laugh out loud and question why she made that video...
@@DanceLouisDance I agree that there’s no magic number that’s suddenly “not okay”. I understand that it’s important for us to discuss this topic, but applying a one-size-fits-all mentality to pet keeping is just... not productive or realistic. And it’s just untrue. Tyler is an excellent example of husbandry standards we should all strive for and I can confirm I’m a better pet keeper for knowing him. I’m sure many of his viewers feel the same way. To suggest he doesn’t deserve the platform he has just discredits how much work he has put in to helping his viewers improve their pet keeping standards.
@@EmileeRose i agree. I just don't like how she painted all these pet tubers in such a negative way. Tyler handled it soo much calmer and professional that i would have. I woulda contacted her personally and just tell her do we have a problem and why are you using my likeness without my permission.
People like you do so much good for the exotic animal owning community. You’re constantly promoting a higher standard and as a subscriber for a while I can see how you’ve evolved your care and made so much change for the better. Your channel inspires me to be a better keeper and I’m literally going to go to school for zoology because your channel helped me discover my love for the care of animals. Thank you so much for all that you do
Posting a Snake Discovery thumbnail completely invalidates her entire point for me. Like they have a zoo. Emily is an educator, and they have some of the best husbandry out there.
Isn’t she the RUclipsr who asked for and received tons of money (a la king of DIY) for a gigantic pet building? Then, never proceeded with said pet building?
Yes
it was for her fish and reptiles i think, but don't think that ever happened
Yes, I donated and then she moved and decided she’s not keeping fish anymore.
@@tracib2133 did she refund the money?
@@lorih6375 No. If I remember correctly she did build the fish room as planned but it never got off the ground with new animals. She stopped making videos shortly after the construction and then moved.
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It’s unfortunate that because she personally couldn’t handle having and caring for a large number of animals, she assumes others also can’t. Animal care should always be about the actual care, not the number of animals. 🤷🏻♀️
i miss your videos! you've helped me so much with my hedgehog 🦔 ♥️
I miss you Tori! I hope you are doing amazing and all your animals are doing amazing!
Right! I have my one lovebird and that's plenty for me, but I love watching people like Tyler and Maddie, who have lots of happy and healthy animals! And as someone with a bird, I can assure you, birds, like Gizmo, Gypsy, Coo-per, and Little Bird require a LOT of enrichment and extremely varied diet to thrive, and all their birds are wonderfully happy and healthy ❤
Second the comments about how much your videos helped. You were my lifeline when I first got my hedgehog!
Her video is truly about making the competition look bad. "Watch me instead of these guys because I do pet keeping right." She will continue to shame more creators. Just wait and see.
I watched Jennie’s video, and generally enjoy her videos. I also subscribe and enjoy watching your, and most of the other “pettubers” identified in her video. I left that video thinking she was projecting what is best for her onto everyone else. She did just downsize her “collection” because she was overwhelmed. I can see how she would see others’ videos and judge them as being too many animals-but seemed to be too many animals for her, not the creator she was talking about. I watch channels that I can learn from, and who advocate for the well being of the animals. I think her video is a reflection of her, and not of those she used as examples, even though I don’t think she had bad intentions.
"She was projecting what is best for her onto everyone else." YES YES YES! And she's subtle in manipulating her viewers into watching her instead because she has less pets and isn't a "hoarder" like that Tyler Rugge guy.
I totally agree Tyler. You always tell people what works for you but always seek new concepts for your animals. You have never been a proponent of people not caring. I don't care of you had a 1000 animals you rock at what you do. And also I love that you count your isopods which means you are a total lover of every living thing. I love you man!
I mean honestly you are being extremely nice about this. By using your thumbnails she is practically spreading misinformation about you/your pet care.
It's a bad look for you as a creator and a breeder then to round it all off she tells people to not watch 'videos of creators with a lot of animals' (like you).
It's not good for your reputation. Being upset about this is absolutely valid. Using your thumbnail implies a lot of negative things. She should not have used you as an example for something like this.
I think she had good intentions and I wouldn't have a problem with the video if she hadn't done that to not only you, but multiple creators.
Well, personally I appreciate you, Maddie, Emzotic. I have a few selective pets, and from your channels I've also realized some would not suit my lifestyle or budget- example tortoise and ferrets. I love these creatures but I see what they require and would fall short. Thank you guys.
I didn’t view her use of the thumbnails as call outs as much as I thought they were just examples of the kinds of titles she was talking about. But, I am not a creator and if she had used a thumbnail of mine I’m sure I would feel some type of way. I do agree with the sentiment of her video but I agree that it could have been handled more tactfully. This is a Respectful and reasonable response 👍🏼
I didn’t view them as call-outs either, but can see how it was taken that way. It’s not to say that there aren’t problematic pet RUclipsrs, because there are, but most of the thumbnails she used belong to reputable channels. Her intention was good but the execution was poorly done.
@@CelticStar87 not to mention it could be considered defamation of character.
This is such a great video. I am happy you have responded and put your thoughts out there. I have wanted more animals for a long time. Because of RUclipsrs like you, emzotic, and others like StephJ I have educated myself. I have learned so much about pet care. I waited to buy a large house with plenty of room first. It’s only have years of research that I am now working towards adding ferrets to my family. Because of some of you all, I now understand that someone needs to have proper enclosures and knowledge before taking that next step. Thank you🙏
I'm an avid TR viewer but have 0 animals at the moment. It's almost like you can view content and not try to emulate it.
If anything, he's steered me away from getting a pet because of how much effort it takes.
I was waiting for this! Thank you for responding! You are 100% right! This is your job and you always put a disclaimer in!
I've been watching for your videos for over 3 years, now. I don't have 100+, I only have 19, but everyone I know thinks I'm crazy because my free time is dedicating to caring for them. It's a lot of money to properly care for them, but seeing them thrive is absolutely AMAZING. And as someone who works at a pet store, most of mine are adoptions from people who drop them off or threaten to release them, and I give them the absolute most fulfilling life I can based on years of research.
I get so many customers that just have a dog... or a cat... and they're feeding them Beneful or some bad food like that and they keep them OUTSIDE 24/7 in California and use shock collars on them, etc. & I can say with confidence that you are so correct. Some people abuse or don't care for one animal, and some people are comfortable with taking great care of 30, 50, 100+
"I don't want to call anyone out," makes an entire video calling people out?????
Well said, I’m so glad someone finally responded to her video. It needed to happen and especially It needs to be a conversation not just grabbing thumbnails from others in the community. Have a discussion and talk with your colleagues before judging them.
I hear what she’s saying, but you can’t just lump everyone into the same category. Animal hoarding is awful, but reputable breeders and rehabbers aren’t hoarding animals.
See this is why I love Tyler so much his transparency is what inspires me he’s straight up and hits all of the valid points I love what you do and respect it all as I always say about the people that can’t mind their business “stay in your lane” respectfully
I agree 100% with you, Tyler. I've been watching you and a lot of other "PetTubers" for years since I started keeping snakes back in 2015. I only have 2 because it's all I have the room and money for currently, and I've always watched you and other "50+ PETS!" people and just been in awe by how you fit that many animals into your daily life, how you keep track of who needs what. I have NEVER thought, "I need to get all those pets right now." Maybe years in the future when I am stable and have the ideal lifestyle/job for keeping more, but I've always been one to educate friends on why they shouldn't get pets like chameleons, iguanas, and other more difficult/high maintenance species because I personally believe people should start easy with a cornsnake or leopard gecko before they start getting into the trickier species. Education is so important in this hobby and I think your channel (along with many others like the ones mentioned in this video) does a great job at that, which is why I keep watching these videos! I want to know how people manage so many animals at a time without feeling overwhelmed or stressed, so that if I ever get to a point in my life where I can responsibly keep a "collection," I have a great reference for time/money management.
It does very much feel like you and those other RUclipsrs are being directly called out and it really isn't fair at all to say that you're not giving your animals the care they need and deserve just because you have a lot. I've seen people (some of my own friends) impulse buy pets and exotics as a coping mechanism and I've seen their downfall as pet owners (rehoming, animals getting sick and/or dying unexpectedly), and what you have going on is far from that.
Also what isn't being mention is: a lot of these channels, like you and Maddie, Snake Discovery, etc. aren't taking care of your animals entirely by yourself. I imagine you and the RUclipsrs with roommates/partners/etc. probably share the work in many ways too, which would make it even easier to care for a larger number of animals. Not everyone has the same situation going on so it's very unfair to make a blanket statement like that.
She added a thumbnail from Fish for Thought. Why? His content is mostly about responsible fish keeping and educating people about pet fish abuse (by calling out aquarium neglect and informing people about fish needs). It's so surprising to see him as an example here since he doesn't even show off his collection often.
Right also pointing out he dose not have a ton of tanks.
considering she was exposed for the semi-problematic/negligent breeding "techniques" of her leopard geckos.... this...doesn't....sit right....
Just watched the entirety of Solid Gold Aquatics video on this topic. She had good intentions but her video rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I mean..how difficult is it to communicate to Snake Discovery, tarantula kat, Tyler Rugge about this and have their input before making the video? Instead she says,"I'm not attacking these pettubers" well guess what..her actions did not reflect her words. I've been watching her since her goldfish days but her recent video just seems lacking on so many aspects like common sense and communication to other pettubers.
I used to follow Jenny, until she pulled some shady stuff on her channel and just disappeared. She's not worth listening to, imo.
You're justified in feeling this way and expressing it. You shouldn't have to explain yourself but I understand why you are. Sorry this happened, pretty lame situation to be in. Hopefully she watches these responses and understands where she went wrong.
Oh Jenny never admits she's wrong. Like with her salt dip video.
@@orandachildren1051 I've never seen her content, with the exception of the video this is in response to. Unfortunate to hear she's not open to learning and growing... Sometimes that's just what it is I guess. 🖤
Yes i love watching your channel and alot of the ones that were screenshot in her video. It made me sad cause i get alot of my tank ideas and yes future pets id like to own. But from literally everyone i watch you guys preach that we do our research before ever getting a pet. I want to have all my animals in more then minimum sized enclosure as well as bioactive. Just waiting till i move and can get enclosures set up first and bioactive going good before getting my pet.
She definitely called you guys out, and its really sad cause i use to watch her videos when she was solid gold.
I'm So Happy that with all that was said you are still going ahead with your video and not shying away from it because there are some people that are ignorant to what actual proper husbandry and pet care is weather it be 1 animal or 100 animals and your right she should have made awareness regarding her own experience in not being able to handle the amount of animals she kept and for viewers to be mindful of getting animals from HER OWN experience not trying to out everyone else as not being able to do what she couldn't.
after watching Jennie’s video and seeing who’s thumbnails she included, I was waiting for someone to make a response. Pettube introduced me to crested geckos in 2017 and I just recently got one in February and she’s now my ESA, she brings me so much joy and I’m so happy all of these wonderful creators introduced me to the species and helped in my research about getting one! I also know I would not be capable of caring for 50+ animals, I’m content and capable of caring for the 6 I have!
You and a lot of other pet RUclips's showed me crested geckos and I fell in love with them and I spent years learning how to properly take care of them and In 2020 I finally got my 1st crested gecko and I cannot be happier yeah I got a second one and that's it for now And I want to share the love that i get for these geckos And probably educate people on them . Thanks to you another pet youtubers I wouldn't be where I am right now with my pet. And it's sad to see someone villainizing it Because you guys showed me the love I have for reptiles and other exotic creatures.
Very happy to see your response and really well handled! Love that you were able to clear the misinformation and show your love and dedication as a full-time pet owner while still being polite and collected towards the original video. You and Naddie always do such a great job and it is worth celebrating and sharing (if you want) with others!
Also personally, I have only 3 pets (2 dogs, 1 cat) and know that it’s my limit. Sharing all your animals gives me a fun vicarious feeling of having more pets and learn about pet care without getting more pets or feeling a need to. I find the “all my pets” videos to be a remedy for when I wish I could have more
Even with all the editing and what RUclipsrs try to present as reality, it's easy to tell who does and who doesn't take care of their animals. Not only if they're taking care of their animals, but who is helping to promote the correct care for certain animals. From everything I've seen from you, you do a great job at both.
Thank youuuuuu!!! I sent a DM to Maddie about this on Twitter and I was so nervous that I brought up drama you guys didn’t want to be a part of 😬
Ugh I couldn’t even finish watching her video I was so enraged by her stance. And the fact that she didn’t even ask permission to “call you out” by using your thumbnail. It’s scummy. It’s an opinion but it’s scummy to me. She’s had way too many animals before and didn’t necessarily admit that in the past when all of a sudden she would just not have them anymore… she was rehoming them because she couldn’t handle as many anymore. And that’s fine. But then she went and got more of the same animals later. So 🤷♀️ what do you mean you can’t care for so many when you literally just replaced them later?!
Sorry I keep commenting on my own comment but it just really irks me. I used to love her content but this “holier than thou” stance she’s taken really really bugs me. She’s been that person incapable of handling what animals she’s had, and then thoughtfully rehomed them (good choice) and then gotten more of the same animals and then repeated the process. She might deny that but before she relocated I saw her fricking rehoming ads at my local pet store. So…like it’s fine to have an opinion. It’s great to know when you’re in over your head and rectify the situation. But to move cross country and repeat the situation, and then stand on a soap box and call out “animal hoarding” which isn’t what the people she screenshotted are doing- it’s scummy. I’m not sure if I’ll stay subscribed to her tbh. I think she’s digging for some clout - she disappeared off RUclips without much explanation two years ago when she was going on her rehoming frenzies and I think she’s trying to clickbait some views back. 🙄 ok rant over.
Tyler. Maddie. Emma. Everyone else I know and sub to in those heinous screenshots- you’re great. You’re not hoarders. You’re not in over your heads. You’re not using your animals for views. You don’t need me to tell you that. The point she tried to make flopped hard.
I knew from when I was young I wanted a lizard and watching reptile keeping on RUclips has helped me to follow the dream, I only have a bearded dragon and a crested gecko so people like you give me the knowledge and understanding of how to care for them and it helped to see what was the right reptile for me. And by seeing so many incredible reptiles does not make me want to copy its just a big help in learning new things even the most experienced reptile owner will still learn new things
I love how she’s calling you out on obviously your videos when over two years ago she did this big thing that she needed all this money for this fish room because she ran into debt problem and gained all the money and more within 48 hours of asking for peoples help and then decided to disappear off RUclips for two years come back and announce she Doesnt even have fish, even live there any more, putting it down to health issues which I understand but I sure as hell with my hundred dollars back, if it’s not going to what I donated it for
Agree!
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And she'll disappear again, and again give the same excuse.
I kinda feel like reptile owners love to brag about how well their pets are cared for. Look at the cost of enclosures and what people put into their reptile spaces. I love your videos, you can tell you love your pets. I watch these videos to step up my game on how I care for my animals. It's always changing, and I think it's great to see someone with the same animals I have to get new ideas. Keep up the good work!
I wouldn't call it bragging - I'd say protecting their reputation. The reptile community are really really harsh on each other, so a lot of reptile keepers, including myself, feel the need to tell everyone that we're adequate or very good reptile keepers to avoid the scathing criticism.
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I dont understand how she thinks pettubers are getting views from shock content and not from care content. From what I've seen, the only way to build a pet channel is to focus on "how-to" content.
I liked a lot of points Jenny brought up in her video. I would feel the same as you of my thumbnail was used to make a point. It's an important conversation to have though and I think good things can come from it. I've learned a lot about animal care thanks to your videos and many other pet RUclipsrs like Jenny. You've done a great job of always putting a disclaimer at the beginning of your videos and being transparent with your followers.
I think using certain thumbnails was not to call out specific youtubers, just to bring awareness to people who feel the need to purchase xy amount of animals while taking those youtubers as an inspiration. Only because that one person can take care of 100+ animals, doesn’t mean everyone can. And those thumbnails may lead to false assumptions about keeping a lot of animals in general.
i agree with you. i’ve been called an animal hoarder and it’s hurtful when you know you are able to provide the best care for your pets and have the time for them. you are a wonderful pet owner and the things she said don’t feel right to me. everyone’s limits are different so she shouldn’t speak for others and say they are animal hoarders and not to watch creators with alot of pets. pettube can be so hard in this way. i would feel that way too if she used my thumbnail then talked negatively. you are amazing tyler
That because most people cant handle many animals. I had 25 hamsters. My father hated it. Now I have 11 and now he is okay
Love this video.
I only recently started following Jenny like a month ago when I stumbled upon her "Feeding all my reptiles and amphibians" video thanks to the youtube algorithm.
But I was also very taken aback by that video she posted about "hoarding" a bunch of animals for views on youtube. All the things you said in this reaction video are on point. Her original message of not taking on more pets than you can handle and making sure what animals you do have have the best care was good. But she definitely went about it the wrong way.
Can't wait to see your pets video.
Based on the comments on her video it appears that most people know that educators and breeders like yourself and Snake discovery should never have been used in the thumbnails. Good points but bad execution on her part. I will continue to support people like yourself, Clint’s reptiles, Snake Discovery and WWR because I see the passion and care you all take with your reptiles. Most viewers can spot the difference.
Yes yes yes! I couldn’t agree more with you! You take such good care of your animals and it shows! Keep doing you
I love all your videos and you care your pets with a lot of love and affection😊
I think her video would have been more effective if she hadn't included any thumbnails from other creators. though the video probably got a lot more attention because of the controversy (not that that was necessarily her reason for doing it), I think people are more focused on defending the individuals she included rather than her message, which could apply to any PetTuber or pet owner
Exactly! People are missing the point. She was showing examples, and even included her own thumbnails. It tied in with the competition aspect. People are letting their emotions cloud the real message here. The whole thumbnail bit was just (understandably) taken the wrong way, and probably should have been nixed.
@@fioregiallo i mean if someone used a thumbnails of yours to show an example of negative context, without getting your permission, wouldn't you be a little irked too? Also im sure you know what defamation is?
@@DanceLouisDance naw it's perfectly reasonable to be upset about it, however it's under fair use and would definitely not be defamation considering she didn't accuse anyone or degrade anyone, she shared how she felt about that type of video and how it is not a healthy trend. The worst people in that thumbnail clip have the most followers. People are being defensive, letting their emotions cloud the message.
@@fioregiallo so you'd be cool if i used a thumbnail of your video to say what your doing is bad and that people shouldn't support channels like yours? Because she kinda did basically say people shouldn't support channels like tylers. Also i found out shes the same girl who scammed people out of money to build a fish room, which she did not, and didn't refund people
@@fioregiallo because people who don't know tyler are gunna see her video and go " oh ya im not supporting his channel"
I 100% agree with everything you said. Animal keepers care levels are not mutually exclusive.
Some RUclipsrs foster like Stephanie moratto so that’s hurtful, she is making a big difference! Plus never mentioned the fact that Tyler has a breeding business plus most of these youtubers rescue!!
It’s almost as though she expects the viewers to be extremely dumb? Or have the impulse control of a three year old. Many viewers of channels much like yours are already extremely educated in animal care, and simply watch for the enjoyment of seeing animals. I really just felt as though the viewers of ‘pettube’ were been spoken about as though we were simply toddlers, who could only be impressed by high numbers and easily persuaded to go and purchase by simply seeing an animal. Most people won’t do that, sure there’s the dumb few, but as I said most people who watch videos titled ‘Meet my pets (50+)’ are interested in seeing the animals, not shopping for their next pet. It’s not a bad thing that I’m generally more interested in youtubers who have a more diverse range and higher numbers, I’d only watch if they were all properly taken care of and the youtuber would only get money if the people who were viewing the video were happy with the care. It’s a 50/50 partner ship, interested viewers watching well taken after animals. I don’t see the issue.
I agree
She believes that no one else can take care of a lot of animals just because she couldn’t ? No ma’am. Not everyone is the same.🤣 i just don’t understand how she could say she wasn’t calling anyone out when she quite literally showed pictures of you guys. 🤦🏼♀️
Exactly what I was thinking!! Thank you!
I am very late to this video but I wanted to say you have influenced me in a good way. I have 6 guinea pigs, a dog, a hamster, and a fish tank and at the moment, that is all I can financially handle however I eventually want to get a few more when I can financially take care of them. I have always been scared of tarantulas and snakes but watching your videos has helped me with wanting them eventually. I am also upgrading my hamster cage from a 10 gallon to a 40 gallon because I learned more about hamster care from your videos!
This is exactly what we need. RUclipsrs and viewers should be discussing this. You weren't "overreacting." We are discussing this issues
I discovered you through Snake Discovery, but was subscribed to Solid Gold for years, and I appreciate this perspective.
TBH I didn’t actually notice who’s thumbnails were used as examples in Jennie’s video until you showed them here, and I have some thoughts on WHY she used ones she did: by saying she didn’t want to call out the channels addressed in her vid, she still wanted examples to show and maybe used thumbnails of channels that this topic DIDN’T apply to... had she used thumbnails of “bad” pettubers, she’d be literally calling them out... we all know they exist, and we know at least ONE channel by name, which I won’t name.
That’s my perspective, we all have unique views!
I really like your videos. I recently got a baby crested gecko and your content has been very helpful to me. I also have a huge fear of snakes and you painting them in a positive light has helped in that way as well. You also put a lot of disclaimers in your videos telling people to do their research.
With pettube, take what is knowledgeable and helpful and leave the rest. If people can't tell the difference, that's kind of on them.
Yeah she can have her opinion but she has just as many pets so why does she think she has a right to attack other pet youtubers If she also has multiple pets. I can see if they neglect them but most of the thumbnails she shows are respectful pet youtubers that actually take care of their pets . She’s not the one taking care of them
Competition. Drama for views.
i agree its on each person to know there limit for what they can take care of and keep happy and healthy
All the creators she put for those thumb nails is all the ones that I watch and love. They all take care of their animals very well. I'm even subscribed to her. This was very shocking
Hey look, the way I see it is you were invited to Emily and Ed's build off so you mean something! Hence the reason I just subscribed to your channel not hers!!! Btw ,loved your build!! Good luck coming up in the industry, your getting there fast!
As someone who loves animals obsessively these videos are awesome! And saves me a ton of time going around searching all these different species trying to find good footage. Content like yours actually keeps me from getting a million pets, which I wanted before I ever saw a single pettuber, it scratches my itch, so I don’t agree with her. Period.
My mom was an animal hoarder. She had three kids to take care of. We lived in a house that was falling apart and needed food stamps and donations to scrape by. Yet she somehow kept managing to collect animals. When we moved out she abandoned them. It was awful for the animals and traumatizing for us. That's why I love watching your videos, it's like reteaching myself that, yes, people CAN actually be kind to animals and not treat them like possessions. People need to know what true animal hoarding is before they casually toss out accusations.
I think "All my animals!!!" videos are actually one of the best ways to showcase who the responsible owners truly are. RUclipsrs choose what footage their viewers see, and none of them will intentionally show neglect or mistreatment. But while it's easy to hide poor care standards when only one pet/enclosure is placed in front of the camera at once, it's much harder with a full room tour... and the more animals there are, the harder it is to fake. Moreover, PetTubers who cycle through animals just for views (which Jennifer cites as a problem) would be exposed when their viewers realize how many animals previously featured on the channel are no longer in their collection.
It’s honestly insulting to those who have lots of animals and care for them well. I have 40+ animals all cared for amazingly and I’m constantly upgrading. You have great enclosures, Tyler. It’s sad because I do feel like that video was aimed toward people like you, Maddie, or Cataleah who all take amazing care of their pets and love them deeply. Some people can’t care for a ton of pets and that’s fine, but some people can and that’s fine too. Just be responsible and know your limits is the main point just like you said.
Wow I’m early, love your videos ❤️
It's ok Tyler, we all know you love every single one of your animals and you take AMAZING care of them!❤❤❤