That's so funny. The model overhaul to ZSS to make her thiccer was as much to make her look better as a character design (Seriously Brawl ZSS and even her first overhaul was unrealistically skinny) as it was to nerf her by giving her a bigger set of hurt boxes and spheres.
@@forestskilbred9461 Let's not open that can of worms. Sammy has more cake now, which is a good thing. Especially now so our attacks won't whiff anymore
Most of the changes are pretty well thought out, but there's some outliers like reverting Marth dair to its og landing lag and nerfing Link that I don't think anybody was asking for, but I don't know for sure.
Is giving him, like, 1% less damage on one move really that bad? I guess the weight change is pretty big. But the third change they made seems like a huge buff. That's gonna make boomerang WAY safer.
@VisaCardholder I mean yeah, the kb is uncompensated so it's just a flat nerf to his best kill confirm, I'd argue that's kind of a big deal. The grounded boomerang catch animation could always be avoided by shielding or being in any other animation anyway so it's not at all a buff to how much you can spam it, just a quality of life change, which while Nice is not in any way compensation to the other nerfs imo
The link nerf baffled me. I'm not at all competitive in P+, but was Link really strong? Didn't strike me as glaringly powerful in any capacity, and seemed less strong than toon link
I really apreciate how the dev team makes really well thought out small changes to top tiers. I despise how main series Smash thinks gutting and overnerfing previously successful characters is effective game design when it just makes the characters less fun on almost all angles. Wario had some tweaks to grab knockback growth and Waft body hitbox knockback. Minor stuff that I can live with because the character and his combo options remain fun.
@@nateinman1 If they removed "literally all", then that would require the character to not be in the game anymore. The character still exists in the game. That is not what those words mean. Maybe you should get out and get a dictionary.
Personally love all the changes, feels more justified using the previously busted characters even amongst my less skilled friends. Hoping for volleyball singles & doubles in 4.0🤞costumes & music has never been P+’s strongest suit tho but I can always figure out how to replace that myself I guess👍
I just watched a video of yours from 2 weeks ago with high quality audio. Now I'm watching a video from 1 week ago and suddenly it's difficult to understand what you're saying. What happened?
@@CannibalSerb Oh that makes sense. You know I noticed the way this narrator spoke was very different from the last one but I assumed I was imagining it.
Sonic definitely got hit the hardest. Nerfs all over, on stage and recovery. They went a little too overboard with the nerfs and now UP B is pretty broken (not in a good way) lot of weird ass bias going around with the devs sadly…
I feel like Knuckles shouldn't have his glide and spring. Maybe he should have a new up special that doesn't help too much with recovery since his glid is broken. It could be a flaming uppercut!
But still no Zelda buffs 😔 Nah jk jk haha - super stoked to see the changes and I love the format you used to explain the effects and purpose behind the changes :)
What I find kind of frustrating about these changes is that the only top tier hit was zss. The rest as just high tiers with powerful but not broken traits
To anyone crying about the nerfs, I think p+ desperately needed this. I feel like p+ and pm can be frustrating for melee players to play since a lot of the combo routes and options are way easier and often times free (ie the many grab kill confirms). Like low and mid teirs in melee required a lot of work arounds to their lack of options that make them fun to explore and extremely hype to watch in bracket. When I see the same knuckles combo a million times in tournaments it gets old. I think these nerfs are actually quite amazing, it almost feels like they had a vision to de-homogenize the consistant playstyle of every (higher tier) character, and give them a chance to be diversified and explored. I think watching characters like lucas and knuckles will be much more interesting now because people will have to change up how they play the same character rather than all doing the same things.
@@Anthony-zl7yz yeah, I think they’re trying to tone down the braindead overly powerful stuff half the cast has had so far. There’s less time for neutral and defense when top tiers touch you and you die, every character being Fox is not fun so I think the changes were great and no character got destroyed or anything like a lot of people in this comment section cries about.
From what I remember with using her she was just very solid all around, but didn’t feel as technically strict or precise as other characters in order to do well. Though I say that as a Captain Falcon main who came from Melee, so it might be my biases there.
@@115zombies935 or you could be objective instead of fall victim to loss aversion. The better game isnt just the one with the stronger, more extreme characters. Ugh
@@freddiesimmons1394 Nah, making everyone less fun to play and reducing the depth of the game across the board with universal changes on top of it all ain’t it. Definitely isn’t gonna help revive the game that’s for sure.
@@115zombies935 aw its only fun if your character is better? Instead of balanced? Maybe after your balls drop you'll see that games are not about power maxing
they gave ZSS an ass hurtbox 😭
"They gave ZSS an ass" fullstop, thats the change
Ig you can say she has a ASSBOX
My favorite part of the patch was when the devs said "it's balancing time" and then balanced all over the place
Euphoria and Not Like Us as the background music is crazy😭 great video
Aw man... I get ic's were a menace but those nerfs seem really significant
ikr, kinda sucks they halved the ledge handoff distance. Turning fair spike into a meteor should have been enough coupled with the dthrow changes
tldr, zss hurtbox got a bbl
LOL
bbl sammy
That's so funny. The model overhaul to ZSS to make her thiccer was as much to make her look better as a character design (Seriously Brawl ZSS and even her first overhaul was unrealistically skinny) as it was to nerf her by giving her a bigger set of hurt boxes and spheres.
Who knew making women look like women was more practical?
yeah idk why she was so skinny she was like a stick insect
Hmmm
@@illford6921 idk isn't samus supposed to be genetically altered by the chozo to make her a freakishly tall skinny human woman?
@@forestskilbred9461 Let's not open that can of worms. Sammy has more cake now, which is a good thing. Especially now so our attacks won't whiff anymore
Most of the changes are pretty well thought out, but there's some outliers like reverting Marth dair to its og landing lag and nerfing Link that I don't think anybody was asking for, but I don't know for sure.
Is giving him, like, 1% less damage on one move really that bad? I guess the weight change is pretty big. But the third change they made seems like a huge buff. That's gonna make boomerang WAY safer.
@VisaCardholder I mean yeah, the kb is uncompensated so it's just a flat nerf to his best kill confirm, I'd argue that's kind of a big deal.
The grounded boomerang catch animation could always be avoided by shielding or being in any other animation anyway so it's not at all a buff to how much you can spam it, just a quality of life change, which while Nice is not in any way compensation to the other nerfs imo
The link nerf baffled me. I'm not at all competitive in P+, but was Link really strong? Didn't strike me as glaringly powerful in any capacity, and seemed less strong than toon link
@@xMikauNo, he was a mid tier, upper half of B tier. Absolutely no idea why he got nerfed.
Last patch not like us
if you were to pick a main it would probably be ice climberrrrrs
I wonder if Lyn will ever be added in the near future or any of the scraped characters
I really apreciate how the dev team makes really well thought out small changes to top tiers. I despise how main series Smash thinks gutting and overnerfing previously successful characters is effective game design when it just makes the characters less fun on almost all angles.
Wario had some tweaks to grab knockback growth and Waft body hitbox knockback. Minor stuff that I can live with because the character and his combo options remain fun.
They literally removed all of the tools for one of the game’s top tiers lmao get out 💀
@@nateinman1 If they removed "literally all", then that would require the character to not be in the game anymore. The character still exists in the game. That is not what those words mean. Maybe you should get out and get a dictionary.
@@DrCoeloCephalo Ohhh so he’s a smartass :D
In most cases with main smash titles, they'll also nerf the low tiers every patch even if they're bottom 3 (Little Mac)
@@nateinman1 "Ohhhh so he's a smartass" or maybe he's right and you can't think of anything else to say
WHAT IS IT THE BRAIDS?
I hurt your feelings you don’t wan work with me no more OKAY
Great video! Thanks for documenting these changes
yea I'm sticking to pm 3.0
Surprised you didn’t touch on sonic, basically only nerfs this patch huh.
Seems like all the changes were nerfs. The game got brought down a lot.
Man, they nerfed most of the cast. I want to play the new update, but I'm afraid the devs will nerf me too
Personally love all the changes, feels more justified using the previously busted characters even amongst my less skilled friends. Hoping for volleyball singles & doubles in 4.0🤞costumes & music has never been P+’s strongest suit tho but I can always figure out how to replace that myself I guess👍
I hope we get rollback!
The team working on brawlback is reportedly making headway!
W BACKGROUND MUSIC
So excited for this update, btw You got anywhere we can donate to get you a better microphone??
Great video!!
I just watched a video of yours from 2 weeks ago with high quality audio. Now I'm watching a video from 1 week ago and suddenly it's difficult to understand what you're saying. What happened?
We’re a team with different editors and narrators, assuming the “you” is referring to this channel lmao
@@CannibalSerb Oh that makes sense. You know I noticed the way this narrator spoke was very different from the last one but I assumed I was imagining it.
Fantastic video :3
Sonic definitely got hit the hardest. Nerfs all over, on stage and recovery. They went a little too overboard with the nerfs and now UP B is pretty broken (not in a good way) lot of weird ass bias going around with the devs sadly…
Sonic was an HM in the original script lmao
they not like us
making zss thiccer ain't a nerf that's a buff in my opinion
So true 🙏🏾
playing Euphoria in the background lmfao
When
They not like us*
@@JHarrisBrass I didn’t even get that far yet hahaha, Euphoria played right before
Without my girl Lyn and my boy Isaac, the vision will never be fulfilled 😭
Better yet just add Waluigi.
Question where can I grab P+ for dolphin and anyone have good recommendations on downloading legacy XP as well?
Euphoria beat lol
RIP to my hammer children
They massacred them
netplay combos 9 mention
Legit saved me so much time shoutout Chaloopy
hell yeah
i wish you guys buff the weaker characters so they can keep up more often
I feel like Knuckles shouldn't have his glide and spring. Maybe he should have a new up special that doesn't help too much with recovery since his glid is broken. It could be a flaming uppercut!
Still waiting for the gamecube adapter overclock to work. :(
3:32 omg is this the euphoria beat
There better been a bowser buff 🤬
He got A buff
how can I get plus?
Patch 4.0 when?
Give it another 4 years 😂
But still no Zelda buffs 😔
Nah jk jk haha - super stoked to see the changes and I love the format you used to explain the effects and purpose behind the changes :)
She did get buffed a little bit. The vertical speed of Din's Fire was increased.
No Buffs?
Can you make a video on buffs next?
The buffs in this patch were much more in the margins, not sure they’re exciting or significant enough for a full video
But I’ll consider it 🤔
I know the beat the background
Did they add roll back?
Not yet, probably not for another year or two
What I find kind of frustrating about these changes is that the only top tier hit was zss. The rest as just high tiers with powerful but not broken traits
A bunch of mid tiers got nerfed too for some strange reason
meta knight got nerfed a fair amount
sonic, wolf, dk, knuckles, sheik, mk, falcon and lucario all got hit at least a bit
Mario got nerf 😢
rip pikachu
Pikachu was net buffed this patch lmao, all his worst matchups got hit hard
@@CannibalSerb how bout just buff my man?
To anyone crying about the nerfs, I think p+ desperately needed this. I feel like p+ and pm can be frustrating for melee players to play since a lot of the combo routes and options are way easier and often times free (ie the many grab kill confirms). Like low and mid teirs in melee required a lot of work arounds to their lack of options that make them fun to explore and extremely hype to watch in bracket. When I see the same knuckles combo a million times in tournaments it gets old. I think these nerfs are actually quite amazing, it almost feels like they had a vision to de-homogenize the consistant playstyle of every (higher tier) character, and give them a chance to be diversified and explored. I think watching characters like lucas and knuckles will be much more interesting now because people will have to change up how they play the same character rather than all doing the same things.
Changing magnet pressure was indeed good. This way there's a reason to at least alternate between magnet and djc on shield
@@Anthony-zl7yz yeah, I think they’re trying to tone down the braindead overly powerful stuff half the cast has had so far. There’s less time for neutral and defense when top tiers touch you and you die, every character being Fox is not fun so I think the changes were great and no character got destroyed or anything like a lot of people in this comment section cries about.
@@surfingraichu7594 agreed 😤😤
wap wap wap wap wap
Synch side b with icies works that way in melee though
Yeah it’s still a nerf from what it used to be though
Algorithm boost comment
Dks dash grab untouched. Dumb
ZSS nerfs kinda feel overkill.
From what I remember with using her she was just very solid all around, but didn’t feel as technically strict or precise as other characters in order to do well. Though I say that as a Captain Falcon main who came from Melee, so it might be my biases there.
Add shadow 😭
They Not Like Us playing while Knuckles is on is so perfect 😂
Random ass DK nerfs
Random how
Everyone is getting nerfed for some reason. Just another reason to play PM over P+ it seems
@@115zombies935 or you could be objective instead of fall victim to loss aversion. The better game isnt just the one with the stronger, more extreme characters. Ugh
@@freddiesimmons1394 Nah, making everyone less fun to play and reducing the depth of the game across the board with universal changes on top of it all ain’t it. Definitely isn’t gonna help revive the game that’s for sure.
@@115zombies935 aw its only fun if your character is better? Instead of balanced? Maybe after your balls drop you'll see that games are not about power maxing
knuckles nerfs? L
Disappointing patch IMO. Nerfs across the board.
Keeo getting 'emotional' over nerfs to your characters lol
@@Brob2nd Looks like you took the L on that comment 😂
I like how modern tourneys have pronouns next to the players names as if I couldn’t tell that was a dude lmao
Who even plays this lol
A lot of people.
Me
Many, many people, and if you think i'm lying and nobody plays it, well, i'm the only person that plays P+ then
Great video!