My realm in vanilla had a "consultant guild" for a while lol. It was filled with tanks and healers who were rented out for a fee to raiding guilds who were missing a couple of tanks or healers for their raid that night. The "consultants" got to raid and were promised to be allowed to roll for specific items they wanted from the raid, and a small chunk of the fee. The rest of the fee went to the GM and officer team of the consultant guild. Obviously only worked for lower tier raids, but I think they had a pretty good business going for a while. I don't remember the name of the guild, but it was on Laughing Skull-EU.
Actually sounds pretty helpful and practical in it's time. I remember always being on the front line as a prot warrior my main. A very thrilling experience I felt, being the one who was taunting death :P
Great show! A few things to note about vanilla which affected raiding: Repair bills were nuts, especially for plate wearers, making progression expensive. buffs were hard (paladins? lol), so maximizing raid members with buffs, flasks, etc wasn't as doable back then. Threat was a super huge part of raiding. You couldn't just launch all your crap at the boss the second the fight started. You had to ease into the fight so you wouldn't pull. Also, very few people actually used addons, and as you mentioned there were few resources for video guides or boss descriptions. Thottbot was life. Many people still clicked their action buttons, making movement mechanics for 40 players nuts. Razer naga didn't exist, few people had mics/headsets. People played on laptops ...with the trackpad.... ... ... It was a hardcore game in a soft era for gamers. Studies have shown it take about 10,000 hours of applied practice to become a professional at a complex task (like sports, video games, chess, etc). It takes reasonably 10 years or more for a person to accomplish this. Think about this in the context of our 13 year old game. Anyone who has played and practiced on raiding content since vanilla is essentially a professional now. =)
I remember in vanilla, I was the guild's "Puller" as a hunter. You had to know aggro ranges really well and time a feign death to just pull one mob and not several or it was a wipe. That meant I had to be at every raid like the tank. I remember there was some drama when we brought in another hunter in prep for Blackwing Lair and were gearing up in Mn Core. We had up to Majordomo on farm which meant that Priests and Hunters held onto their points for getting the class quest items (the leaf or the eye) to get our epic weapon. The drama was actually from me. Our hunter class officer was not able to make it which had most of the raid thinking the "puller" would receive it. Instead they just straight up gave the quest item as a gift to the new hunter who had just joined the guild. I was more immature back then, so I didn't take it too well... even though I received it the following week. But that's how guilds were back then. Loot was the purple-eyed monster that would break groups because purple was so sought after back then.
Mate i play classic as hunter, we finally beat sulfuron as a 21 man and it took us all the way to beating rag in one night, but the grind to get that far was horrible. Itd be easier with more, but if i got shafted on leaf for a new guy thatd be gquit right there i dont even care. Dives would have nothing on my fury.
10:20 I LOVE your transistons! The music you pick, the way it goes with your way of speaking, i know it's a minor detail but little things like that are what keeps me coming back to watch more!!!
I discovered your channel by accident but am definitely staying. Not only do you talk about my favorite game of 13 years, but you do it in a very soothing voice. :)
I love your videos. Very informative and well researched and with a taste of your own experience as well as objective, with little to no personal bias! Which IS rare. I really feel like I understand old WoW so much better than I used to, after watching your videos. Not to mention your voice... It sounds pretty dull (sorry!), but for some reason that adds charm to your videos and surprisingly makes the little jokes you sometimes throw in much better sounding. Additionally, your tone adds to the chill vibe to the channel and often helps me calm down when unable to fall asleep due to nerves. Keep up the good work man!
I remember that we had a player that played Prot Paladin back then. And as a guild we tried to give him a few chances to tank in raids. Even though on progression bosses he healed and buffed (mostly buffed) on trash and on farm bosses he tanked. He was the reason we got through Razorgore in the first place ... our hunters were potatoes and only one of them even had a rudimentary understanding of what kiting means ... so we positioned all our healers in the middle of the room. The mobs ran straight to them where the consecratoin from our prot pally lied. so he got the aggro from them and kited all of the mobs around, always running through the middle to refresh the consecration. We got so used to him doing that, that we couldnt get past razorgore when he wasnt there.
I lenjoy you videos a lot MadSeason. Bringing back all the best memories from playing this game in such a smooth & calming way. You are the Créme de la Créme of the WoW community. Thank you
DKP wasn't too hard to track. Of all the systems we had, I still think DKP is the best solution because it forces players to really think about what items are important to them. In our guild we also allowed players to donate DKP, so if enough people thought that say the tank or one of the healers should get a particular item they could donate their own DKP to that person to bolster their bid and let them get the item. This meant that showing favoritism had a real cost to it and that tended to keep tempers and emotions in check, whereas guilds which had rules allowing the guild masters to assign gear for whatever reason they wanted tended to have tempers blow up more often. Those guilds tended to disintegrate more quickly. Another thing that worked well in conjunction with the DKP system was for players to state their intentions. Before the boss fight (even before the RAID started), players that really wanted a particular item would state so, so when it came to the bidding guild members already knew who really wanted the item. No surprises == less drama. -Matt
I have and always will love the fact that you use music from some of my favorite games such as The Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy. (FFX in this video for example) This channel is one of my personal favorites
I will never forget my first raid - I was level 56 (I think,) and we were raiding stratholme undead side. I want to say it was only 10 players rather than 15, but it was scary all the same. The friends I played with were whispering me tips. I didn't have a guild at that point but eventually joined up with those same folks I raided with that day. Vanilla was good fun but like you said, we all pretty much sucked. It was fun though to figure out strategies and it felt great to finally finish a big raid like Molten Core and Blackwing Lair. I always felt slighted when they did finally cap some of those dungeons at five people, only because I think I benefited from joining those early raids and I figure that a lot of other people could have as well. Oh well though. Great video as always!!!
Originally for WoW's release you could bring a full 40 man raid into pretty much any dungeon I think, but you DEFINITELY could do it for UBRS/LBRS, Strat, Scholo, etc. I was playing from release day w/ patch 1.1 onwards so I can definitely remember taking 20+ people into these dungeons. I remember vividly just how painful this was for the egg room, or trying to get people keyed for Onyxia when Drakkisath only dropped one blood at a time. But we would start a raid and get as many people as we could to make things go as quickly as possible. Blizzard knew this was unintended but sat on their hands because they had a feeling at the time that they didn't want to make content that already existed "harder" even though UBRS was originally tuned for no more than 15 players and the later half of UBRS was tuned for 10, according to Jeff Kaplan. It wasn't until patch 1.3, with the release of Dire Maul, that Blizzard finally did something about it and fixed the player caps on these dungeons since they were implementing another major pre-raid dungeon in Dire Maul. UBRS became a 15 man raid max, but people generally ran LBRS with less people since it was easier. Strat and Scholo were tuned down to 10. Those two dungeons didn't become 5 mans until MUCH later in vanilla's life. Patch 1.10 to be exact. I hear a lot of people often get their information wrong about these dungeons and how they originally were. Even J Allen Brack has done it during WoW Classic interviews by saying UBRS was a 10 man raid and then changed to 5. Nope, if we're being specific it started life as an open ended raid and you took as many people as you could get, and then later changed to 15 and finally 10. It wasn't until cataclysm that it became a 5 man dungeon. Most guilds I know of used DKP like systems. We used this sort of system although it was called "GP" or Guild Points I think, not DKP, and I didn't know of any guilds on my server that just straight up /rolled for loot. The points system was a way of ensuring it was fair across the board, and it took out the RNG aspect of rolling. There was already enough RNG getting your item to drop in the first place from bosses to then add even more RNG on top of that by having to roll against a bunch of other people. If you had saved enough points, and you had the most points available when your item dropped, you got said item and you paid for it with your points. It was up to the player what gear they wanted to prioritize and they'd keep racking up their points as long as they were showing up to raids and participating. Time=Reward. PS: I'm also remembering there was a point in the game where Ragnaros wouldn't even spawn if you killed Majordomo. I could be entirely wrong about that but I think initially very early in vanilla Ragnaros was bugged and wouldn't spawn for guilds that cleared all the way through Majordomo. I could be misremembering the "bug" but I'm pretty sure there definitely was some kind of bug involving him. My guild was probably a month late in terms of getting the world first rag kill if I had to guess.
warlocks had good DPS but threat was an issue along with their main source of damage DOTS they werent able to put them up because of the low debuff slots on bosses
curse of elements was it for the mages than curse of weakness and only than if you where the 3rd lock in the raid you could use your dps curse correct me if im wrong
Yes, warlocks were pretty good in terms of single target DPS when they had good gear and got support from the raid's healers. In general they were not easy to shine on a consistent base. Besides the rotation of the curses, of which the Curse of elements actually helped your own fire damage a little and curse of shadows helped to reduce shadow resistance (which added to your dmg if it became negative!), you also had the problem that in a few fights you were required to use banish and keep your target controlled. One of the problems I also had (I raided everything until Twin emps on AQ40) were mana issues. In longer fights your mana could easily run out and you did not have any way to regain mana besides using a potion or Life Tap. When your guild had not mastered the fights and healers/tanks were a bit undergeared, they did not have the mana or time to heal you when you life-tapped, which could really reduce your damage output in some cases. However, when healers were able to help you out, you could deal some real damage when life-tapping away between rotations. Another complication were the soulshards, if you really wanted, you could bring 80+ soulshards to a raid and use shadowburn in your dps rotation on specific fights, which could actually boost your DPS enough to be noticed. So if you had the healers to back you up, had the soulshards and were the lucky warlock not be on a banish rotation or personally "useless" curse, you could deal some serious dps. On a side note, most warlocks played a destruction - ruin spec build, just because affliction and demonology did not provide enough DPS and because you had a debuff limit (making affliction difficult). This required you to have a decent amount of critical strike and high spell power, and the more crit you got the faster you could outperform the other classes in comparision. I had the feeling that in BWL and early AQ, warlocks were one of those classes that could boost their dps quicker than average when getting the right items. However, I never had the feeling I was dealing top damage as compared to similar geared rogues that knew how to play.
Ahh this is true - totally forgot about that! I remember warriors weren't allowed to use rend because it basically just ate up a debuff slot. One of the weird quirks of Vanilla raiding. I can't remember if this was fixed in BC? I'll have to look that up for the next one. Thanks for sharing
@@jasperneggers5284 As far as I recall it WL uses Sacrifice from demonology or even the pet bonus (was possible at the same time due to bug) so it was either 0/30/21 or 0/21/30
The one drawback of vanilla raiding,as you pointed out, was there was clear tiers to the roles and it ended up pigeon holing players into roles and specs because of their class. That was my favorite thing about TBC, that they made every spec bring something to the whole of a raid comp, whether it be raid wide buffs, debuffs, or versatility. You wanted a Warrior or a Feral Druid to MT...but you also wanted a Prot Pally for an Off-Tank cause they could scoop up large groups easily. You wanted both Holy and Disc Priests so they could double up on the mitigation and they got better versions of their buffs depending on their spec. Every spec of Shaman had their job to play (plus you could keep cycling Bloodlust lol).
This was as relaxing as a spa day :) the Final fantasy music, a cold beer, and remembering the old raids i used to run when i was a kid :P nice video :)
I will always enjoy these old videos MadSeasonShow, and although youll probably never read my comments now, I'll still leave them, cause they've brought me joy during what may be my last years due to health issues. WOW is 1 of the only things I can socially physically enjoy now.
My best memory of Scholomance in Vanilla is the whelp room above Razorgore. We were doing great when all of a sudden all the mobs started going down the stairs to Razorgore's room. I said in vent "where do they think they're going?!" It was about the time that we all realized our tank got knocked through one of those side chutes down to Razorgore's room, and then he was dead and we all just laughed and yelled "RUUUUUNNN!!!"... not that it helped. I loved wipes like that, they helped make the game so much more fun. :D p.s. I miss resistance gear. I used to have so much fun trying to get my resistances high, and still have a half way viable amount of damage/healing. Really, I miss the RPG in this MMO. WoW is almost as far from an RPG as Super Mario Bros. and about as easy now.
Thanks Madseason!! oh the memory lane... Just trying to get 40ppl together to raid back then was a nightmare! Getting everyone, time zone, availability, and making sure they were attuned f or it... oh the GOOD old days!
I only raided a handful of times in vanilla but I quit for the same reason you did, couldn't bear to think that all the hard work I put in was be meaningless after a few levels in BC even though I still never saw a purple. Another great video btw
Strat was actually 15-man, iirc. Live Strat was far easier (like LBRS), though, and people just ran it with 10. Dead Strat was a freaking pain even with 15, because you weren't just battling the mobs. You were fighting the clock. If you got into Dead Strat really early in WoW's life, you were treated to a race against time to get into the Slaughterhouse... because the three Ziggurat crystals would regenerate after a time (hour and 45 minutes when each was destroyed, iirc again), closing the slaughterhouse gate again. With mob respawns, that pretty much meant you had an hour and 45 minutes to clear before the dungeon effectively reset. The only thing that would stop it is clearing the courtyard event. The dungeon was so hard to start, and the timer made it next to impossible to clear... Dungeon set pants were considered a badge of honor. But Bliz still eventually hotpatched out the timer to give groups a little more chance to clear. Later, Bliz gave a nod to that old gate timer, when we had that Tier .5 (Dungeon set 2) event "Dead Man's Plea" with the kidnap hostage that Rivendare held and would be executed if you didn't kill him in time. Granted, that one was way faster... 45 minutes and a full race to at least engage the boss within the timer (as long as you engage him with a second left, killing him would prevent the execution). Then again, the dungeon was so easy at that time, that 45 minutes was practically a breeze compared to the old days.
the player cap of strat was 10man, and as both exist in the same instance, you cant run strat ud with 15man, ofc you could do it in the early patches when there was no dungeon cap
Right... right. I completely forgot about that. But we definitely ran it with 15 because that timer was brutal. And Bliz removed it before the player limit cap was put into effect, because there's no way most 10-man teams were getting through that dungeon within time, with the gear that was available.
You're all wrong! :P the first couple months of vanilla wow had no player cap. You could bring 40 people to strat or scholo or even deadmines, if you really wanted. I was in one 40 man strat run just to rush people through quests.
I have no words for this.. awesome vid theres not many ppl out there who couldve put together all this info and tied it so gracefully with music i also love how you use mostly ff and legend of zelda music in your vids gr8 job keep it up!😃
For MC, you were required to do a quest chain for the Hydraxian Waterlords faction to receive an item call Aqual Quintessence, which was a single use item used to douse a rune guarded by the bosses in MC. In total you required 7 runes to be doused, so more than one person was required to go to Azshara each week to obtain a new quintessence if you wanted to run the raid without interruptions. You needed to be honored with the Waterlords to be able to start the part of the quest chain, which required you to kill all the Flamewaker bosses in MC (Lucifron, Gehennas, Shazzrah and Sulfuron), and only when completing this quest were you eligible to receive the Aqual Quintessences. So basically you were required to do almost one full clear of the raid before even getting close to finishing it. In 1.11 they introduced the Eternal Quintessence, which you could obtain at revered status with the Waterlords. The item was on a 1-hour cooldown, so again you required people with enough reputation with the Waterlords, but this time you weren't required to go to Azshara each week to retrieve a new quintessence for raiding. The quest chain and the requirement to douse all the runes to summon Executus was removed in 3.0.8 at the launch of WotLK.
5:44 Oh no, that gnome! He wants to steal that morning glory dew! I ran this instance 37 times and this is the first time this dropped, you will not take it! (screaming into monitor)
With all of the spammy WoW youtubers on the website, things like the montage and audio-sync in the middle of the video make you stand out among the rest. Good stuff as always, good to see you getting bigger after the infamous raiders series
I started WOW on TBC back in 2008 but it was on a private server as I live in India and the $15 a month was expensive for me. But it was close to Blizz like. Majority of the people had already gear up with Karazhan, serpentshine cavern and Tempest Keep gear. We used to do the 40 man Vanilla Raids with 25 people. Once the Black Temple and Sunwell came out and people were able to gear up, the Vanilla raids went from 25 to 15 people. People used to farm the Vanilla raids to level enchanting and collect gear for RP.
One of the super random things I recall from Vanilla raiding was the big call for Dwarven Priests for Onyxia -- Sadly I wasn't at level before it got patched out, but I believe the Dwarven Priests had a racial specific spell directly relating to fear breaking or resistance. Oh man other things I remember :) -- yes I just found your videos & have been watching them. I remember a time before iLVL! *GASP* stop the world! A time back when you had to either do the math yourself "Or pester a Guildmate" to properly stat yourself without waste via what gear to equip, as well as having to split up a set to wear something with resist which was touched upon in the video.
5 main vanilla raid feature 1) many ppl can't use voice - to low internet bandwidth and high traffic cost(epic skill of typing for RL was needed) 2) very often take ppl for another guild(dwarf priest for onixia etc) or 2 guilds make one 40ppl raid 3) fight in front of entrance with another faction(summon don't work inside instance, early BC was same) 4) farm for resist potions and another consumables(early BC was same) 5) attunes(early BC was same) First spreadsheets appeared in Vanilla but for real dps check we use immortal mobs in blasted lands, only in BC training dummies was introduced and after this spreadsheets became widely available. Rip Decurce and many more useful addons and binds (
Stratholme was also very often ran with 10 people, if only to cover all the class for the pant piece from Baron, and the 3 towers to clear had a very fast re-spawn and was really buggy in itself, often preventing the gate to the abon to not open until we cleared them a few times
I remember my first time killing onyxia early in 2006, before she was "fixed" if you held your mouse pointer on Onyxia, you could see that it stood (Onyxia level 500++++++++++ dragonkin elite) it was so fun raiding back in vanilla, everything was HARD!
It wasn't hard, we just didn't know any better. The fights has gotten much harder with more complex mechanics over the years, we as players just got much smarter and much better.
Truly glad the people who want classic get to have it , but having started in BC I have no desire to go back to the grind and harsh game play. But as said glad it is blizzard ran for those who will adore their time in it :). Thanks for the passion an time Mad
Michael Coffey For me I love the idea. However I'm an adult now.. and no longer have the time to do the vanilla 1-60 grind like I did in my teens. I want to play my level 60 Paladin who wore a mishmash of pvp/pve blues and hung out in ironforge. Sadly it's just a nostalgic dream!
The biggest thing I remember, as melee, is the bosses cleaving (in both Vanilla and TBC).. and the geometry was really weird so you were never quite sure if you were in a spot where you could get cleaved.
Great content as always! The only thing I don’t understand - why devs rushed with MC? It is end game content, they could easily add it with patches a little bit later...
I remember when the guild message was asking for donations to keep the necessary website running. DKP was interesting before raiding turned into a watered down bowling alley.
Nice video (: Just have to say another aspect that was hard to manage when the 40 people dungeons came out was that there had been no group interface for the entire raid beside in the menu. So u basically had to sit an healer in each grp to an an overview and as far as i can remember grp one was 3 tanks + 2 healers only doing singletargetheal on them. Also Guilds having class leaders had been important back then due communication issues and boss explaining/coordinating and i loved it. At the class balance i've abit to disagree. Our guild was 2nd clear on the Server Nefarian @ BWL so we had been into end-progress. But we were also known having unusuall class using. Like we had an sword MS-Warrior in the raid (no shit^^) and he was always top 1-8 in DPS (he was like place 20-30 until 30% health and then his deadly strike got him up until he got sometimes even aggro over the tank and died often ....yeh lots of love at 2nd boss in bwl haha, i was permahealing him, died on every try but the dmg was clear nr1^^ ....thanks that i remember now those funny stuff^^) Fury Warriors with propper hit/crit were also good and goddamn great at aoe. Warlocks did GREAT damage when having some bwl gear and beeing destruction (was often place one in raid against an 120 energy dagger rogue and t2 combat rogue). My full t2 druid hold up with every priest mostly and overall was unbeatable in manamanagement when it comes to t2(it had setboni that gave druids part of manaregen going on while casting and was upping the hot time while t1 had like nothing for them). Druids have only been weak if they cannot permacast all the time.PvP mine was an unreachable healmonster but this is another story x) We even had an 2h retri pala in the mainraid with pretty good dps (middle rank). elemental shamans were also able to be an good DPS-class in raids but this was sadly also kinda very rare. And also Hunters were able to outdps Rogues back then. Our hunter outdpsed an mc geared rogue on autohit beeing whole fight in the kitchen i can remember (but hunters gear was bwl/aq40 mainly) :P I don't know if u remember the issue of the afk-Hunters in raids, or they always known beeing bit lazy back then. It was total chaotic (and funny) when they introduced bwl and hunters had to do some classbounded cc first time :P Also mages had their spikes and Fire ones did tons of damage but yeh -> no mc,bwl ^^ Overall my remembering is the balance u remember was like pre-mc. Later gear pretty much changed the whole balance to the better in my opinion, some classes just have been alrdy avarage dps with low gear while for example an Offensive Warrior needed to have like 30% crit if wanna be usefull in raids (this kinda standart setup to reach it i could see on the sweet warrior with sulfurion in the video hehe )Also when they intruduced zf later that was a pretty good bridge getting those stats before mc what was big help back then for lots of guilds that werent able to do mc/bwl stuff... also zf was an fun location for open pvp... 3-5 ppl with aq40 gear vs 25 half blue/epic geared raiders was fun and nearly balanced xD wow i wrote way too much, fuckin nostalgica sorry ;) One last thing, loved the fact to see those big maintanks always in ironforge representing kinda the raidstatus of the guild due they always nr1 at getting gear^^ And not a single of them on the server looked exactly like the other
I never personally raided during vanilla as I was only 8-9 years old, but I remember sitting at my dad's desk (very quietly) and watching him raid. I was sent out of the room when raid members started using curse words.
also in 40-mans every class had to have its own leader who had to know the fights inside and out specifically for their class, so you had to set up new chat channels, negotiate DKP, assign healers to specific people or groups, tell them whom to ignore, pass out food, etc. that took about an hour itself in the old days.
We have fond memories from vanilla wow, because we were so young and dumb back then. I still wish to play it though, but I don't have the time nor the money to spare :(
40 man raiding was so fun.. even if they were so chaotic that we did not finnish and got locked out . but when we did get it done it was like climbing a mountain.
It might have been worth a mention that paladins and shamans were faction specific which had an effect on available buffs. Plus from what I remember paladins only had the 10 minute buffs initially, making it frustrating to keep up on 40 people at once. As mentioned in another comment, the ragnaros kill says "onyxia" in the top left corner (15:20). Also I swear there's a faint clicking noise in the last few minutes of the video.
At launch, Sunken Temple allowed for 10 people to enter the instance. Now, I don't think it was intended to be a raid, but I did always find it interesting.
I was a feral tank back then, until I switched to resto after we recruited another tank that was geared better, which by pure chance was also feral. Later we recruited a Shaman which became our main tank and the druid became back-up. Ppl that were guests in our raids were often very surprised at our group make-up and often thought it would be a wipe fest. But, it wasn't, both our tanks were amazing.
What I miss the most is raids meant back in the day... You can't deny that raids (for some expansions now) mean nothing else but "gather in this spot, kill boss, say goodbye to your guildmates and go on your merry way". Before it meant preparation and a challenge.
I am sure you mentioned it in another video, but for the people only watching this one I think it's fair to say that the game was released first in US, Australia and New Zealand, and only after several months in other parts of the world. Thus, the US server guilds had quite an advantage, so it would have been quite impossible for them not to be the first that finish raids.
I still remember the early days with shamans and paladins dedicated to off-combat-resurrection. Back in early Vanilla you would not be automatically in combat once a boss fight starts. If you stood like 100m away, you would stay off combat and could resurrect people who have died during the fight. Not sure when they changed it so the whole instance was in combat once the boss was pulled. 1.5?
My realm in vanilla had a "consultant guild" for a while lol. It was filled with tanks and healers who were rented out for a fee to raiding guilds who were missing a couple of tanks or healers for their raid that night. The "consultants" got to raid and were promised to be allowed to roll for specific items they wanted from the raid, and a small chunk of the fee. The rest of the fee went to the GM and officer team of the consultant guild. Obviously only worked for lower tier raids, but I think they had a pretty good business going for a while.
I don't remember the name of the guild, but it was on Laughing Skull-EU.
Gnome Pest Controle or Randoms. Might have been one of those.
Actually sounds pretty helpful and practical in it's time. I remember always being on the front line as a prot warrior my main. A very thrilling experience I felt, being the one who was taunting death :P
I get so hyped every time you upload! Easily the best WoW content creator on RUclips!!!
That's quite the compliment...thanks!
I would say that Nobbel is the best, but that is subjective because i love stories and lore. Madseason is definitely one of the best. :)
Great show! A few things to note about vanilla which affected raiding:
Repair bills were nuts, especially for plate wearers, making progression expensive. buffs were hard (paladins? lol), so maximizing raid members with buffs, flasks, etc wasn't as doable back then. Threat was a super huge part of raiding. You couldn't just launch all your crap at the boss the second the fight started. You had to ease into the fight so you wouldn't pull.
Also, very few people actually used addons, and as you mentioned there were few resources for video guides or boss descriptions. Thottbot was life. Many people still clicked their action buttons, making movement mechanics for 40 players nuts. Razer naga didn't exist, few people had mics/headsets. People played on laptops ...with the trackpad.... ... ...
It was a hardcore game in a soft era for gamers. Studies have shown it take about 10,000 hours of applied practice to become a professional at a complex task (like sports, video games, chess, etc). It takes reasonably 10 years or more for a person to accomplish this. Think about this in the context of our 13 year old game. Anyone who has played and practiced on raiding content since vanilla is essentially a professional now. =)
I don't play WoW but watch and enjoy your videos regularly, so well produced and calming. Thank you!
So why you watch wow videos
the best thing about this channel is the awesome mixture of FFX and WOW music. god damn
I love when you upload a new video it's like a free psychology session
In what way?
He finds them cathartic, perhaps?
I remember in vanilla, I was the guild's "Puller" as a hunter. You had to know aggro ranges really well and time a feign death to just pull one mob and not several or it was a wipe. That meant I had to be at every raid like the tank. I remember there was some drama when we brought in another hunter in prep for Blackwing Lair and were gearing up in Mn Core. We had up to Majordomo on farm which meant that Priests and Hunters held onto their points for getting the class quest items (the leaf or the eye) to get our epic weapon. The drama was actually from me. Our hunter class officer was not able to make it which had most of the raid thinking the "puller" would receive it. Instead they just straight up gave the quest item as a gift to the new hunter who had just joined the guild. I was more immature back then, so I didn't take it too well... even though I received it the following week. But that's how guilds were back then. Loot was the purple-eyed monster that would break groups because purple was so sought after back then.
We used paladins as pullers in my guild and the hunters got mad about it lol
Travis Mabe there was no misdirection in vanilla lol
Mate i play classic as hunter, we finally beat sulfuron as a 21 man and it took us all the way to beating rag in one night, but the grind to get that far was horrible. Itd be easier with more, but if i got shafted on leaf for a new guy thatd be gquit right there i dont even care. Dives would have nothing on my fury.
10:20 I LOVE your transistons! The music you pick, the way it goes with your way of speaking, i know it's a minor detail but little things like that are what keeps me coming back to watch more!!!
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5 hours a night. 4 nights a week wiping on the same boss for 2 months before killing it. Yep. I remember. Lol.
The quality of your videos never ceases to amaze; it just keeps getting better! Keep doing what you are doing man.
these videos make me long for my dorm room, late nights, a bong, and knocking out them vanilla levels. Love your stuff
I discovered your channel by accident but am definitely staying. Not only do you talk about my favorite game of 13 years, but you do it in a very soothing voice. :)
I love your videos.
Very informative and well researched and with a taste of your own experience as well as objective, with little to no personal bias! Which IS rare. I really feel like I understand old WoW so much better than I used to, after watching your videos.
Not to mention your voice... It sounds pretty dull (sorry!), but for some reason that adds charm to your videos and surprisingly makes the little jokes you sometimes throw in much better sounding. Additionally, your tone adds to the chill vibe to the channel and often helps me calm down when unable to fall asleep due to nerves. Keep up the good work man!
Waiting anxiously every time for the new time warp series to be uploaded! Great content, great youtuber! So enjoyable to watch!
I remember that we had a player that played Prot Paladin back then. And as a guild we tried to give him a few chances to tank in raids. Even though on progression bosses he healed and buffed (mostly buffed) on trash and on farm bosses he tanked. He was the reason we got through Razorgore in the first place ... our hunters were potatoes and only one of them even had a rudimentary understanding of what kiting means ... so we positioned all our healers in the middle of the room. The mobs ran straight to them where the consecratoin from our prot pally lied. so he got the aggro from them and kited all of the mobs around, always running through the middle to refresh the consecration. We got so used to him doing that, that we couldnt get past razorgore when he wasnt there.
I lenjoy you videos a lot MadSeason. Bringing back all the best memories from playing this game in such a smooth & calming way. You are the Créme de la Créme of the WoW community.
Thank you
DKP wasn't too hard to track. Of all the systems we had, I still think DKP is the best solution because it forces players to really think about what items are important to them. In our guild we also allowed players to donate DKP, so if enough people thought that say the tank or one of the healers should get a particular item they could donate their own DKP to that person to bolster their bid and let them get the item. This meant that showing favoritism had a real cost to it and that tended to keep tempers and emotions in check, whereas guilds which had rules allowing the guild masters to assign gear for whatever reason they wanted tended to have tempers blow up more often. Those guilds tended to disintegrate more quickly.
Another thing that worked well in conjunction with the DKP system was for players to state their intentions. Before the boss fight (even before the RAID started), players that really wanted a particular item would state so, so when it came to the bidding guild members already knew who really wanted the item. No surprises == less drama.
-Matt
I have and always will love the fact that you use music from some of my favorite games such as The Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy. (FFX in this video for example) This channel is one of my personal favorites
I will never forget my first raid - I was level 56 (I think,) and we were raiding stratholme undead side. I want to say it was only 10 players rather than 15, but it was scary all the same. The friends I played with were whispering me tips. I didn't have a guild at that point but eventually joined up with those same folks I raided with that day. Vanilla was good fun but like you said, we all pretty much sucked. It was fun though to figure out strategies and it felt great to finally finish a big raid like Molten Core and Blackwing Lair. I always felt slighted when they did finally cap some of those dungeons at five people, only because I think I benefited from joining those early raids and I figure that a lot of other people could have as well. Oh well though. Great video as always!!!
Please do more Time Warp, it's just so great !
Torben Bruhns ist ein ...? :D
brb gonna make some popcorn
Originally for WoW's release you could bring a full 40 man raid into pretty much any dungeon I think, but you DEFINITELY could do it for UBRS/LBRS, Strat, Scholo, etc. I was playing from release day w/ patch 1.1 onwards so I can definitely remember taking 20+ people into these dungeons. I remember vividly just how painful this was for the egg room, or trying to get people keyed for Onyxia when Drakkisath only dropped one blood at a time. But we would start a raid and get as many people as we could to make things go as quickly as possible. Blizzard knew this was unintended but sat on their hands because they had a feeling at the time that they didn't want to make content that already existed "harder" even though UBRS was originally tuned for no more than 15 players and the later half of UBRS was tuned for 10, according to Jeff Kaplan. It wasn't until patch 1.3, with the release of Dire Maul, that Blizzard finally did something about it and fixed the player caps on these dungeons since they were implementing another major pre-raid dungeon in Dire Maul. UBRS became a 15 man raid max, but people generally ran LBRS with less people since it was easier. Strat and Scholo were tuned down to 10. Those two dungeons didn't become 5 mans until MUCH later in vanilla's life. Patch 1.10 to be exact.
I hear a lot of people often get their information wrong about these dungeons and how they originally were. Even J Allen Brack has done it during WoW Classic interviews by saying UBRS was a 10 man raid and then changed to 5. Nope, if we're being specific it started life as an open ended raid and you took as many people as you could get, and then later changed to 15 and finally 10. It wasn't until cataclysm that it became a 5 man dungeon.
Most guilds I know of used DKP like systems. We used this sort of system although it was called "GP" or Guild Points I think, not DKP, and I didn't know of any guilds on my server that just straight up /rolled for loot. The points system was a way of ensuring it was fair across the board, and it took out the RNG aspect of rolling. There was already enough RNG getting your item to drop in the first place from bosses to then add even more RNG on top of that by having to roll against a bunch of other people. If you had saved enough points, and you had the most points available when your item dropped, you got said item and you paid for it with your points. It was up to the player what gear they wanted to prioritize and they'd keep racking up their points as long as they were showing up to raids and participating. Time=Reward.
PS: I'm also remembering there was a point in the game where Ragnaros wouldn't even spawn if you killed Majordomo. I could be entirely wrong about that but I think initially very early in vanilla Ragnaros was bugged and wouldn't spawn for guilds that cleared all the way through Majordomo. I could be misremembering the "bug" but I'm pretty sure there definitely was some kind of bug involving him. My guild was probably a month late in terms of getting the world first rag kill if I had to guess.
warlocks had good DPS but threat was an issue along with their main source of damage DOTS they werent able to put them up because of the low debuff slots on bosses
LazyPCGamer they also had no real way to control/reduce their threat
curse of elements was it for the mages than curse of weakness and only than if you where the 3rd lock in the raid you could use your dps curse correct me if im wrong
Yes, warlocks were pretty good in terms of single target DPS when they had good gear and got support from the raid's healers. In general they were not easy to shine on a consistent base. Besides the rotation of the curses, of which the Curse of elements actually helped your own fire damage a little and curse of shadows helped to reduce shadow resistance (which added to your dmg if it became negative!), you also had the problem that in a few fights you were required to use banish and keep your target controlled. One of the problems I also had (I raided everything until Twin emps on AQ40) were mana issues. In longer fights your mana could easily run out and you did not have any way to regain mana besides using a potion or Life Tap. When your guild had not mastered the fights and healers/tanks were a bit undergeared, they did not have the mana or time to heal you when you life-tapped, which could really reduce your damage output in some cases. However, when healers were able to help you out, you could deal some real damage when life-tapping away between rotations. Another complication were the soulshards, if you really wanted, you could bring 80+ soulshards to a raid and use shadowburn in your dps rotation on specific fights, which could actually boost your DPS enough to be noticed. So if you had the healers to back you up, had the soulshards and were the lucky warlock not be on a banish rotation or personally "useless" curse, you could deal some serious dps.
On a side note, most warlocks played a destruction - ruin spec build, just because affliction and demonology did not provide enough DPS and because you had a debuff limit (making affliction difficult). This required you to have a decent amount of critical strike and high spell power, and the more crit you got the faster you could outperform the other classes in comparision. I had the feeling that in BWL and early AQ, warlocks were one of those classes that could boost their dps quicker than average when getting the right items. However, I never had the feeling I was dealing top damage as compared to similar geared rogues that knew how to play.
Ahh this is true - totally forgot about that! I remember warriors weren't allowed to use rend because it basically just ate up a debuff slot. One of the weird quirks of Vanilla raiding. I can't remember if this was fixed in BC? I'll have to look that up for the next one. Thanks for sharing
@@jasperneggers5284 As far as I recall it WL uses Sacrifice from demonology or even the pet bonus (was possible at the same time due to bug) so it was either 0/30/21 or 0/21/30
Love all the FFX music in your videos! DKP was so annoying but loot councils were worse!
Really surprised he isn't getting hit with copy write strikes though. Pretty sure FF is pretty fussy with its music.
Whats the one called that starts at 10:15?
Its called Calm Before the Storm, one of my favorite tracks in the OST. From the Killika Woods zone. ruclips.net/video/vmHBqGG7TN0/видео.html
I just gotta say, you're one of my favorite channels. Youre just such an awesome and chill guy and I love your videos!
The one drawback of vanilla raiding,as you pointed out, was there was clear tiers to the roles and it ended up pigeon holing players into roles and specs because of their class. That was my favorite thing about TBC, that they made every spec bring something to the whole of a raid comp, whether it be raid wide buffs, debuffs, or versatility.
You wanted a Warrior or a Feral Druid to MT...but you also wanted a Prot Pally for an Off-Tank cause they could scoop up large groups easily.
You wanted both Holy and Disc Priests so they could double up on the mitigation and they got better versions of their buffs depending on their spec.
Every spec of Shaman had their job to play (plus you could keep cycling Bloodlust lol).
Mad-dog, you make very well produced videos that have excellent content. I love reminiscing on the old days with videos like these. Keep it up :-)
Man. You sound like an awesome person to play WoW with. You're generally chill and just want to enjoy the game for what it is. Never change dude.
I don’t have time for WoW anymore but I’m always entertained by your videos. Keep up the good work
This was as relaxing as a spa day :) the Final fantasy music, a cold beer, and remembering the old raids i used to run when i was a kid :P nice video :)
dat ffx music in the background, mmm daddy take me to macalania
I will always enjoy these old videos MadSeasonShow, and although youll probably never read my comments now, I'll still leave them, cause they've brought me joy during what may be my last years due to health issues. WOW is 1 of the only things I can socially physically enjoy now.
All the Final Fantasy 10 music goes so well with your voice and videos. Love it. One of my favourite FF games too.
Dude you are by far the best WoW youtuber. Such a great storyteller
Keep up the good work, love your videos!
My best memory of Scholomance in Vanilla is the whelp room above Razorgore. We were doing great when all of a sudden all the mobs started going down the stairs to Razorgore's room. I said in vent "where do they think they're going?!" It was about the time that we all realized our tank got knocked through one of those side chutes down to Razorgore's room, and then he was dead and we all just laughed and yelled "RUUUUUNNN!!!"... not that it helped. I loved wipes like that, they helped make the game so much more fun. :D
p.s. I miss resistance gear. I used to have so much fun trying to get my resistances high, and still have a half way viable amount of damage/healing. Really, I miss the RPG in this MMO. WoW is almost as far from an RPG as Super Mario Bros. and about as easy now.
Are you SURE it was Scholomance?
@@andreaghiretti8189 the boss was probably Rattlegore
I don't usually comment but you make the most wonderfully relaxing videos, props to you!
really enjoying the editing style you're going for, with the music
it makes your videos really comfy to watch
Ohhh @ 6:30. Now I get that "YOU GET MINUS 50 DKP" from the Onyxia wipe animation video haha
I remember Strathholme being a 10man as well. But then it has been 13yrs like you said so I could be wrong. Great episode as always.
Thanks Madseason!! oh the memory lane... Just trying to get 40ppl together to raid back then was a nightmare! Getting everyone, time zone, availability, and making sure they were attuned f or it... oh the GOOD old days!
I only raided a handful of times in vanilla but I quit for the same reason you did, couldn't bear to think that all the hard work I put in was be meaningless after a few levels in BC even though I still never saw a purple. Another great video btw
Glad I found your channel, while waiting for WoW Classic!
Starting to feel the hype!
Old man Vanilla player.
The casual 15-20 minutes of buffing before each boss or wipe, the gooood ole dayss >.
stratholme was 10 aswell, changed to 5man same time as scholomance
Did not know about that one...interesting! Thanks for the info
Strat was actually 15-man, iirc. Live Strat was far easier (like LBRS), though, and people just ran it with 10. Dead Strat was a freaking pain even with 15, because you weren't just battling the mobs. You were fighting the clock.
If you got into Dead Strat really early in WoW's life, you were treated to a race against time to get into the Slaughterhouse... because the three Ziggurat crystals would regenerate after a time (hour and 45 minutes when each was destroyed, iirc again), closing the slaughterhouse gate again. With mob respawns, that pretty much meant you had an hour and 45 minutes to clear before the dungeon effectively reset. The only thing that would stop it is clearing the courtyard event. The dungeon was so hard to start, and the timer made it next to impossible to clear... Dungeon set pants were considered a badge of honor. But Bliz still eventually hotpatched out the timer to give groups a little more chance to clear.
Later, Bliz gave a nod to that old gate timer, when we had that Tier .5 (Dungeon set 2) event "Dead Man's Plea" with the kidnap hostage that Rivendare held and would be executed if you didn't kill him in time. Granted, that one was way faster... 45 minutes and a full race to at least engage the boss within the timer (as long as you engage him with a second left, killing him would prevent the execution). Then again, the dungeon was so easy at that time, that 45 minutes was practically a breeze compared to the old days.
the player cap of strat was 10man, and as both exist in the same instance, you cant run strat ud with 15man, ofc you could do it in the early patches when there was no dungeon cap
Right... right. I completely forgot about that. But we definitely ran it with 15 because that timer was brutal. And Bliz removed it before the player limit cap was put into effect, because there's no way most 10-man teams were getting through that dungeon within time, with the gear that was available.
You're all wrong! :P the first couple months of vanilla wow had no player cap. You could bring 40 people to strat or scholo or even deadmines, if you really wanted. I was in one 40 man strat run just to rush people through quests.
I have no words for this.. awesome vid theres not many ppl out there who couldve put together all this info and tied it so gracefully with music i also love how you use mostly ff and legend of zelda music in your vids gr8 job keep it up!😃
For MC, you were required to do a quest chain for the Hydraxian Waterlords faction to receive an item call Aqual Quintessence, which was a single use item used to douse a rune guarded by the bosses in MC. In total you required 7 runes to be doused, so more than one person was required to go to Azshara each week to obtain a new quintessence if you wanted to run the raid without interruptions. You needed to be honored with the Waterlords to be able to start the part of the quest chain, which required you to kill all the Flamewaker bosses in MC (Lucifron, Gehennas, Shazzrah and Sulfuron), and only when completing this quest were you eligible to receive the Aqual Quintessences. So basically you were required to do almost one full clear of the raid before even getting close to finishing it.
In 1.11 they introduced the Eternal Quintessence, which you could obtain at revered status with the Waterlords. The item was on a 1-hour cooldown, so again you required people with enough reputation with the Waterlords, but this time you weren't required to go to Azshara each week to retrieve a new quintessence for raiding.
The quest chain and the requirement to douse all the runes to summon Executus was removed in 3.0.8 at the launch of WotLK.
5:44 Oh no, that gnome! He wants to steal that morning glory dew! I ran this instance 37 times and this is the first time this dropped, you will not take it! (screaming into monitor)
Love the FF10 music in so many of your videos. Greatest game ever made. Love it.
With all of the spammy WoW youtubers on the website, things like the montage and audio-sync in the middle of the video make you stand out among the rest. Good stuff as always, good to see you getting bigger after the infamous raiders series
I started WOW on TBC back in 2008 but it was on a private server as I live in India and the $15 a month was expensive for me. But it was close to Blizz like. Majority of the people had already gear up with Karazhan, serpentshine cavern and Tempest Keep gear. We used to do the 40 man Vanilla Raids with 25 people. Once the Black Temple and Sunwell came out and people were able to gear up, the Vanilla raids went from 25 to 15 people. People used to farm the Vanilla raids to level enchanting and collect gear for RP.
Nice informative video! Really like the production value you put into your videos and the new things you try like the music and video correlation.
Your videos are always so relaxing.
Also, that sync with the music+transitions was clever
One of the super random things I recall from Vanilla raiding was the big call for Dwarven Priests for Onyxia -- Sadly I wasn't at level before it got patched out, but I believe the Dwarven Priests had a racial specific spell directly relating to fear breaking or resistance.
Oh man other things I remember :) -- yes I just found your videos & have been watching them.
I remember a time before iLVL! *GASP* stop the world! A time back when you had to either do the math yourself "Or pester a Guildmate" to properly stat yourself without waste via what gear to equip, as well as having to split up a set to wear something with resist which was touched upon in the video.
5 main vanilla raid feature
1) many ppl can't use voice - to low internet bandwidth and high traffic cost(epic skill of typing for RL was needed)
2) very often take ppl for another guild(dwarf priest for onixia etc) or 2 guilds make one 40ppl raid
3) fight in front of entrance with another faction(summon don't work inside instance, early BC was same)
4) farm for resist potions and another consumables(early BC was same)
5) attunes(early BC was same)
First spreadsheets appeared in Vanilla but for real dps check we use immortal mobs in blasted lands, only in BC training dummies was introduced and after this spreadsheets became widely available.
Rip Decurce and many more useful addons and binds (
That montage you had 10:15 was masterfully put together, great work!
Loved the video! A bit of text miss information at 15.15. But still, you´re certainly one of the better wow youtubers. Cheers, keep up the good work
Ah my fault. Nice catch
So many good memories, racing home from work the farming mats before for raiding all night.....ahh the days.
Stratholme was also very often ran with 10 people, if only to cover all the class for the pant piece from Baron, and the 3 towers to clear had a very fast re-spawn and was really buggy in itself, often preventing the gate to the abon to not open until we cleared them a few times
Amazing video as always! Noticed however that it says "Word first Onyxia" at 15:15 instead of Ragnaros.
And I noticed you wrote word instead of world haha
Nice catch. I wish RUclips still had annotations. Very handy for fixing stuff like that.
Love your content man! Always brings back good memories of wow! Keep up the good work! 👌🏼
I remember my first time killing onyxia early in 2006, before she was "fixed" if you held your mouse pointer on Onyxia, you could see that it stood (Onyxia level 500++++++++++ dragonkin elite) it was so fun raiding back in vanilla, everything was HARD!
It wasn't hard, we just didn't know any better. The fights has gotten much harder with more complex mechanics over the years, we as players just got much smarter and much better.
Aye from Killing Onyxia in her lair to Fighting titans at space. what happend! :D
TBC
spectacle creep
humanity happened! everyone should go vegan and #stopspaceraiding
with a sprinkle of time travel
just like COD... Activision happened
The little edits you did in time with the FFX music was really nice!
Those ninja looting video's, still makes me smile.
But its a horror when it happens to you.
The FF X song caught me off guard
Don’t forget, Stratholme was considered a raid early on as well
I absolutely love this series.
Truly glad the people who want classic get to have it , but having started in BC I have no desire to go back to the grind and harsh game play. But as said glad it is blizzard ran for those who will adore their time in it :). Thanks for the passion an time Mad
Michael Coffey For me I love the idea. However I'm an adult now.. and no longer have the time to do the vanilla 1-60 grind like I did in my teens.
I want to play my level 60 Paladin who wore a mishmash of pvp/pve blues and hung out in ironforge. Sadly it's just a nostalgic dream!
The biggest thing I remember, as melee, is the bosses cleaving (in both Vanilla and TBC).. and the geometry was really weird so you were never quite sure if you were in a spot where you could get cleaved.
That final fantasy ten music
Great content as always!
The only thing I don’t understand - why devs rushed with MC? It is end game content, they could easily add it with patches a little bit later...
It's really fun to watch these videos. Keep it up Mad!
I remember when the guild message was asking for donations to keep the necessary website running. DKP was interesting before raiding turned into a watered down bowling alley.
Nice video (: Just have to say another aspect that was hard to manage when the 40 people dungeons came out was that there had been no group interface for the entire raid beside in the menu. So u basically had to sit an healer in each grp to an an overview and as far as i can remember grp one was 3 tanks + 2 healers only doing singletargetheal on them. Also Guilds having class leaders had been important back then due communication issues and boss explaining/coordinating and i loved it. At the class balance i've abit to disagree. Our guild was 2nd clear on the Server Nefarian @ BWL so we had been into end-progress. But we were also known having unusuall class using. Like we had an sword MS-Warrior in the raid (no shit^^) and he was always top 1-8 in DPS (he was like place 20-30 until 30% health and then his deadly strike got him up until he got sometimes even aggro over the tank and died often ....yeh lots of love at 2nd boss in bwl haha, i was permahealing him, died on every try but the dmg was clear nr1^^ ....thanks that i remember now those funny stuff^^) Fury Warriors with propper hit/crit were also good and goddamn great at aoe. Warlocks did GREAT damage when having some bwl gear and beeing destruction (was often place one in raid against an 120 energy dagger rogue and t2 combat rogue). My full t2 druid hold up with every priest mostly and overall was unbeatable in manamanagement when it comes to t2(it had setboni that gave druids part of manaregen going on while casting and was upping the hot time while t1 had like nothing for them). Druids have only been weak if they cannot permacast all the time.PvP mine was an unreachable healmonster but this is another story x) We even had an 2h retri pala in the mainraid with pretty good dps (middle rank). elemental shamans were also able to be an good DPS-class in raids but this was sadly also kinda very rare. And also Hunters were able to outdps Rogues back then. Our hunter outdpsed an mc geared rogue on autohit beeing whole fight in the kitchen i can remember (but hunters gear was bwl/aq40 mainly) :P I don't know if u remember the issue of the afk-Hunters in raids, or they always known beeing bit lazy back then. It was total chaotic (and funny) when they introduced bwl and hunters had to do some classbounded cc first time :P Also mages had their spikes and Fire ones did tons of damage but yeh -> no mc,bwl ^^ Overall my remembering is the balance u remember was like pre-mc. Later gear pretty much changed the whole balance to the better in my opinion, some classes just have been alrdy avarage dps with low gear while for example an Offensive Warrior needed to have like 30% crit if wanna be usefull in raids (this kinda standart setup to reach it i could see on the sweet warrior with sulfurion in the video hehe )Also when they intruduced zf later that was a pretty good bridge getting those stats before mc what was big help back then for lots of guilds that werent able to do mc/bwl stuff... also zf was an fun location for open pvp... 3-5 ppl with aq40 gear vs 25 half blue/epic geared raiders was fun and nearly balanced xD wow i wrote way too much, fuckin nostalgica sorry ;) One last thing, loved the fact to see those big maintanks always in ironforge representing kinda the raidstatus of the guild due they always nr1 at getting gear^^ And not a single of them on the server looked exactly like the other
I never personally raided during vanilla as I was only 8-9 years old, but I remember sitting at my dad's desk (very quietly) and watching him raid. I was sent out of the room when raid members started using curse words.
I don't remeber vanilla raiding but thanks to you I know how it was :-) Love your videos man! Keep up the good work, proud of you! :-)
I love this series. Keep up the good work MadSeasonShow :D
The thunderfury was so busted that it was even used in TBC. The difference between having that sword and not was HUGE for a raiding guild.
The transitions going with the music was oddly satisfying
also in 40-mans every class had to have its own leader who had to know the fights inside and out specifically for their class, so you had to set up new chat channels, negotiate DKP, assign healers to specific people or groups, tell them whom to ignore, pass out food, etc. that took about an hour itself in the old days.
Honestly, longer these videos are, I’m happier, love yoiur content
We have fond memories from vanilla wow, because we were so young and dumb back then. I still wish to play it though, but I don't have the time nor the money to spare :(
40 man raiding was so fun.. even if they were so chaotic that we did not finnish and got locked out . but when we did get it done it was like climbing a mountain.
Your videos area a nostalgia bomb it's so satisfying I swear
the music bruh :O gave me chills....that login screen :O
Amazing sound and video sync on the music, your editing is getting better every video
Love your vids! You do a great job and pick the best music, tysm!!!
"Oh he dropped shaman gear, this sucks"
"Oh he dropped pally gear, this sucks."
-Vanilla raiding.
It might have been worth a mention that paladins and shamans were faction specific which had an effect on available buffs. Plus from what I remember paladins only had the 10 minute buffs initially, making it frustrating to keep up on 40 people at once. As mentioned in another comment, the ragnaros kill says "onyxia" in the top left corner (15:20). Also I swear there's a faint clicking noise in the last few minutes of the video.
At launch, Sunken Temple allowed for 10 people to enter the instance. Now, I don't think it was intended to be a raid, but I did always find it interesting.
One of my favourite chanels.
I was a feral tank back then, until I switched to resto after we recruited another tank that was geared better, which by pure chance was also feral. Later we recruited a Shaman which became our main tank and the druid became back-up. Ppl that were guests in our raids were often very surprised at our group make-up and often thought it would be a wipe fest. But, it wasn't, both our tanks were amazing.
The elysium classic server was/is so much fun. I had a few buddies that I managed to start a guild with, the farthest we got was the ony and MC clear.
What I miss the most is raids meant back in the day... You can't deny that raids (for some expansions now) mean nothing else but "gather in this spot, kill boss, say goodbye to your guildmates and go on your merry way". Before it meant preparation and a challenge.
Mythic (and Heroic before Wod) raiding is the challenge.
Love how you used the ff x music in the middle of the video. True gamer
Fury warriors were tied with combat rogues for DPS, top geared people were hanging around 450-500 dps
I am sure you mentioned it in another video, but for the people only watching this one I think it's fair to say that the game was released first in US, Australia and New Zealand, and only after several months in other parts of the world. Thus, the US server guilds had quite an advantage, so it would have been quite impossible for them not to be the first that finish raids.
Guys TBC stands for Time before Christ
Christ? He a raid boss or sth?
Clashking r/whoosh
I thought it was Tuberculosis
Christ of wow lore aka arthas
I still remember the early days with shamans and paladins dedicated to off-combat-resurrection. Back in early Vanilla you would not be automatically in combat once a boss fight starts. If you stood like 100m away, you would stay off combat and could resurrect people who have died during the fight. Not sure when they changed it so the whole instance was in combat once the boss was pulled. 1.5?
You're the man! Favorite channel on RUclips