$400 VS $2,000 JAZZ GUITAR - Part 1
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I thought I'd take a few minutes and make a comparison between my Ibanez AF71 ($400) and my Eastman AR810ce with the Kent Armstrong PAF ($2,000-ish). Both are fantastic guitars for the money but how much of a difference in sound really is there? They are both floating pickup acoustic guitars constructed out of maple, but the Ibanez is a laminate while the Eastman is solid wood. The Eastman is also slightly larger with a 17" lower bout. I recorded everything through an MXL 5000 large body condenser microphone plugged into my Focusrite Saffire 6 interface feeding into Logic Pro. The amp you hear is a Fishman Loudbox Mini acoustic amp.
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Hello! Due to the overwhelming amount of attention and questions I've received on this video, I've decided to upload "Part 2." You'll find it's much more detailed and better in overall audio/video quality than this one.
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Sounds like $1,600 of difference to me.
I was not prepared for how much better the eastman sounded acoustically.
To me eastman is clearly better both acoustic and amplified...
So the real question becomes "is that difference worth the price?"
The listener will pay more attention to the sound, the player will pay more attention to the instrument feel...
binger!
Preferisco Ibanez che è meno metallica
you are so so correct on that! very well put
Thats the point! Many times we used to see small differences between cheap and expensive guitars tones, but for the player, the feeling is completely different.. it make you fell more confortable and play better. Most of my life i played with a cheap guitar because i didint know it Worth. Now i do.
IDK, I pay attention to both when I play.
An expensive instrument does not make you a better musician, but it sure is more fun to use! Great video, thanks for sharing.
Exactly! I know many musicians that could make that Ibanez sound better than I can do with the Eastman. Especially with archtops, true tone is in the player.
if I could afford an eastman yes they r nice sounding but if I saw a used car to take me 2 a gig then the car would b my investment. so I would get the Ibanez which will get me 2 a gig than get an eastman or price like guitar then have it stolen and lose out. I have friends who've bought eastmans at those prices and 1 was stolen right from the gig and said should have gotten the Ibanez instead and the rest r scared to play a gig with theirs.
Actually having a better quality instrument that makes it easier to express oneself is a very good thing. I have a friend who is an amazing viola player and has gone as far as he can with his current instrument. His teacher suggests he is only being limited by his instrument. The next step up for him is to go from a $20,000 instrument up to one that is closer to $45K.
I am a violist myself and I agree :)
hahahaha.fuck i just thought it was kids that were full of shit. A Student using a $20,000...considering a normal expensive one is in the 6-8K range I don't think its his instrument that has issues.
This shows how much sound nuance is lost in electric guitars. Unplugged the Eastman wins by a mile. Plugged in the Ibanez does great and there there is more a difference in character than in "quality" as such (Ibanez basically brighter).
The pickup on the Eastman has a particularly dark sound. The original that came with the guitar was much brighter, like the Ibanez.
Acoustically, the Eastman really dominates. Plugged in, I actually preferred the Ibanez - just. You are a great player and your musicianship is of the sort that makes me want to listen for a long time. Hope you keep making these videos.
I like the Eastman acoustically when not plugged into an amp. I love the sound of the Ibanez plugged into the amp!
the difference is better heard when theyre played accousticly ( is that how u spell it, idk)
Eastman sound 10 times better then the ibanez
Acoustically, no doubt. Electrically, I'm not so sure the difference in price is worth it. Just my opinion.
Wrong scale Eastman sounds a millions times better :-)
For sure the Eastman sounds better... but it's not really fair to compare a guitar with a wooden bridge and a guitar with a metal bridge :)
It actually doesn't. In a blindfold test I guarantee that nobody would predict a 10x price difference. That's not how it works with electric guitars.
jay paul I
Usually I can barely tell the difference in these types of videos but it was easy to tell
Yaakov Hassoun thanks for listening!
I definitely noticed a big difference- both unplugged and plugged in. I currently have an Epiphone Joe Pass Emperor II, which I also got discounted for about $400. It is a reliable, gig worthy laminate hollow body jazz guitar that is a work horse- no doubt about it. The Eastman 800 series with the floating pickup and solid tone wood is clearly a huge step up IMHO though. $2k is a lot of money but it is an investment worth making if you are serious about taking it to the next level with jazz guitar, as you are and I am.
Slick impro, compelling phrases, great sound. ... Bravo!
Thank you!
That was nice of him to let his twin brother play the Eastman.. The better instrument will always give you more confidence and that will positively affect your progress.
Actually, I could probably happily listen to you playing all day on either of those guitars :-) But yeah, the Eastman by a country mile.
Thanks for the compliments Mike!
Acoustically, the Eastman is miles ahead of the Ibanez - which is why I have 2 Eastmans. But the Ibanez has a great tone plugged in, and that's why I also have a number of Ibanez guitars. Both are great instruments. You should buy what makes you want to play more, and what you can afford. The important thing is just to get out there and play!
Thanks for your thoughts! Which Eastmans do you play?
@@AlexPriceMusician - I have an early AR804 (oval hole) and an AR810 (f-hole). Currently looking for a nice 900 series, and maybe an El Rey....
Ibanez - 7. Eastman - 9.5. Ibanez has "that sound" yet the Eastman is bolder and mellower. Great comparison video!
Totally agree.
When I am shopping for a guitar I don't worry too much about the sound as it depends on so many other factors. But what I do pay attention to is the playability. And I often find that the cheaper guitars are just not that playable compared to more expensive models.
Yes it is definitely worth it! The Eastman sounded so much better acoustically. As someone who's played most of his life I find the experience of the instrument in your hand you so much more than just how it sounds plugged in. Your playing is great! I am sure if you were to venture an opinion you would agree. I Understand you have to be impartial, or at least appear to be impartial, but I would wager given your druthers you would pick the better guitar. I have an 810 CE. It was my main guitar for years until I had a custom guitar built by a friend in Mosier Oregon. The physical feeling and vibe of the better guitar is apparent when I am playing.
Chad, what kind of strings do you have on your Eastman? Just started playing one and not hearing much a warm or rich tone...
Well of course they sound better acoustically with a nice heavy set of phosphor bronze. Since that was my main gigging guitar for a few years I used mostly flatwounds on it only because they are so fun to play. I used a Kent Armstrong P90 on it and it sounds amazing plugged in through either an AER Compact 60 or my other amp setup is a Clarus plus head run through a Raezers Edge Stealth 10er cabinet. I have used the Thomastiks and the George Bensons, and a few others. I don't have a clear favorite, but I have also been moving to a lighter gauge string as of late to alleviate pain in my hands from playing too long and too hard. :-/
The eastman sounds fantastic...oh my.
The Ibanez almost sounds like a resonator acoustically. Definite win for the Eastman.
Electronically, they were pretty well balanced. The pickup gave the Eastman more clarity in the bottom, but still pretty close in Yuotube audio terms.
they sound great together! love the variation
I have 2 Eastmans and several Ibanez guitars. They all play very well, and they all sound great. BUT - if I could only have one, it would be my Eastman 810 - hands down. It's head and shoulders above all else.
Well said Chris!
Great playing. nice idea with the split screen.
Tim7of7 thanks Tim!
Wonderful playing. I completely forgot what the video was about and just listened. Thanks for keeping this music alive.
Thank you!! I really appreciate the compliments!
Awesome playing man, subbed!
I deleted a couple of smart arse comments about comparing these two guitars (sorry about the inbox spam), but suffice to say they are very different, I think the Ibanez has a niche that the Eastman doesn't - it would be better for loud gigs etc. Eastman works great in the studio, sounds fab miked. I recently toured with an AF85 (with classic 57s) and everyone raved about how good it sounded on stage.... I normally play a vintage ES175, so there you go. Lot of guitar for not much money.
While it's obvious the Eastman sounded better, I'd like to point out that both sounded great and 400 bucks gets you a hell of a lot more than it did when I was a kid that's for sure.
True. Budget guitars used to be very compromised in terms of general quality some decades ago.
Reverse inflation. 400 bucks today equates to 80 bucks back in the 50's but yeah totally agree the equivalent money back then got you a bucket of crabs with 6 strings attached.
Nice video! Although the Eastman sounds really great, I would be very very curious to ear them performing with the same pickup...
I was thinking the same thing.
Eastman hands down on tone, acoustic and amped...and I'm sure the Eastman feels better and has a great set-up
Great playing!! Acoustic the Eastman sounded better, but I amplified, I prefered the more neutral, less nasal sound of the Ibanez
I think the Eastman sounds better amplified, but not by much
Both sound great. Also the tone comes from you which pans out very well too. Keep up the great playing!
I feel like the Eastman gives a really rich, woody tone. I don't know much about these guitars but I'm trying to learn. I've played Martin D-28 guitars for 30 years and currently work with a 1969 model. My son is falling deep into Coltrane, Davis and the like so I've thought about picking up an archtop. Excellent work and chops! Subscribed.
Thanks Allen! Eastman really does make some of the best guitars for the money. And if you look to the right in that line of the guitars, all the way in the back is my HD-28. Fantastic guitar that I admittedly don't play enough :/
just depends on what appeals to you. Pat methey's guitar cost like $1,000 and the same with George Benson, Scofield, stern. But it all just depends on what your going for and the tone is also alot in your fingers as well as your mind. If you have a cheap guitar and set the tone settings right then it could sound amazing!
The difference is clear. But how much of that is due to the Eastman having the benefit of a pickup upgrade and bigger sound box?
Certainly the bigger volume will have an impact, especially acoustically.
And solid construction. The fact that there is a difference because of reasons does not invalidate the difference.
@@toddcallison8087 But why improve further the better guitar before comparing it to an obviously lesser competitor?
Eastman sounds warm and full!As all Ibanez guitars all have a higher end tone to them.Depends on what sounds best and feels best to the player.
Thanks for your thoughts Wendell
Thanks for the video. In this case, the solid wood really makes the difference between a purely electric sound and the real acoustic archtop sound.
You could have stopped the video after the first strum on that Eastman HAH! Beautiful tones.
Before i watch this video i do not see how a comparison can be equally done you upgraded the pickup on the more expensive Guitar but i will listen and watch and make a real determination afterwards.
Take it this way - the Eastman is a fully equipped, pro-level guitar. The other is an affordable student guitar.
I'd give the edge to the Eastman but the Ibanez sounds great. Nice demo!
That was a great demo and great playing! The Ibanez sounds fine in the mix but the Eastman sounds so nice unplugged that it must be much more fun to play on a regular basis. Sounds great and likely produces a much finer tactile response. Well done!
Hit the nail on the head Rick - the Eastman is much more musically rewarding. Thanks for the kind words!
My pleasure, I enjoyed the video!
Great Job , thanks for sharing , I wonder what the Ibenez would sound like with a kent armstrong hand wound pickup...
I think that's the only thing missing here
The vocals rocked !
Great job man!
I have an AR810 and a Ibanez AF 85... a very similar set. We can see the difference between both guitars in your smile while playing!
The Ibanez is an electric guitar. The Eastman is a "Jazz guitar". Personally, I use both an Ibanez GB-10 and a Heritage Golden Eagle. Two fantastic jazz boxes.
Keep on having fun. You sound great.
Len J
Thanks Len!
That was interesting! The Eastman is definitely a much more "live" guitar but I much preferred the sound of the Ibanez when both were plugged in; I have an AR605-CE that's beautiful but way too live for anything but the most low-volume situations. On the other hand, my Epiphone Howard Roberts (with a Kent Armstrong p/u upgrade) sounds way better for most "jazz box" gigs. It's also telling you swapped out the OEM p/u in the Eastman... Nice playing too, thanks!
Thanks for your thoughts!!
Night and day contrast, but the duet was great. My late father loved the guitar. He would've liked this. Thanks.
An expensive instrument might not make you a better musician instantly, but a more expensive instrument (im equating price to quality) will make you enjoy playing more (assuming you prefer the higher quality sound) and hence will over time increase your rate of improvement
Woao, the acoustic differences is huge. The Eastman sounds waaaay better, warmer and more full 👍
With pickups the diff is not more thaaaat big. I think they are both great guitars. It depends what you want and how much you can spend for it.
A little unfair to compare. But who said that life is fair. Obviously the Eastman AR810ce Kent Armstrong PAF, has a body with better acoustics. But you have to give credit to the Ibanez AF71. Now, the musician plays an important role when playing an instrument as it will give life. The instrument itself is an inert thing ... Good video, helps to have perspective of circumstance when comparing. Excellent interpretation Alex ... FELICIDADES!!!!!
Thanks Henry! I do think the Ibanez really stands up well for the price.
Definitive, I concur with you, the Ibanez is an excellent guitar. In fact I have a Ibanez Artcor AF75 and I enjoy playing it. The important thing is the performer who executes and extracts musical notes from an instrument.
Great Jazz playing from Alex. Another worthy comparison.. I have an Ibanez AF 155 & a Godin 5 th Ave acoustic but the sound of the Eastman, to me at least is worth the $2000.00. Thanks for the video, Cheers!
Thanks for the compliments!
That Eastman is awesome. Thanks for the great vid man.
Thanks for watching!
Having the side by side is Brilliant!!!
David Wend glad it was helpful!
They both sound great. Price not justified. Nice playing and good computer audio
skills.
Steve Zook
Thanks Steve!
Great craft. I wanted to compare the sound, but got so indulged into the artistry instead.
Depends on your budget and the level of your playing. If you’re on a tight budget or can’t hear or feel the difference? Then the answer is “no”. If you can afford the difference in price AND can hear-and-feel the difference, the answer is “yes”.
Great video! The attention to detail is outstanding.
Joseph Mueller thank you! I appreciate it :)
In the right hands, price matters little. Superb playing! Thank you for sharing.
Thanks so much Chess. Best~
I have a Loar and Ibanez Artcore AF75. Love both. I get similar results to yours. The Ibanez plays more easily and doesn’t feed back as quickly.
No matter what musical instrument it is. The creativity of the player is what makes a instrument sing as it should.
Both guitas sounds great in your hands master
Cofff coofff kiss a** (disguised as cough) coff.... sorry i have the air conditioner on and always get coughing fits ;P hehehehehe just kidding :)
thank you for playing both acoustically and plugged in. Most do one or the other.
But the Eastman can be played unplugged and still sound like a jazz guitar. The Ibanez sounds dead. I bought an Eastman 803 for $700 used on Revb. Best money I've ever spent on a guitar.
Used you sir have won the GAS lottery
I thought I did great when I bought my 810 for $800....
Great chops man! Also, it's nice to see someone contort their mouth as much as I do while playing.
Haha! Glad to know there are other people out there like me
So weird seeing the Eastman as the expensive guitar in a comparison video.... The Eastman is the real value as it is truly hand made, all solid carved top back and sides, even that tail-piece is carved out of ebony by hand...Comparable to a $6-8K Gibson or...? Ibanez also makes great stuff, totally different deal here... both cool guitars. You're also a good player and make both of those sound great. Love that amber color
Thanks for this vid. It's a tremendous help! I have the Ibanez on the way via ebay, and I'm still excited but there's no argument that the $2,000 eastman is worth the money. It was kind of you to not direct A/B the amp demo but being played together the AF71 has no cringe reaction for me. I think it sounds great. Great playing too. Thanks again.
Thanks for the feedback!!
No question the Eastaman is hands down the supreme guitar. Worth every penny to my ears and I'm sure play's much nicer as well.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Eastman just has a cleaned and much more defined bass tone to me. But even the highs are cleaner and crisp. That is a very nice guitar. I like Ibanez, electric that is. Never blown away by their acoustics.
Randy thanks for your thoughts!
eastman is an exceptional guitar brand for the money. i would say it is worth every penny!
No surprise -- fortunately! Yes, the Eastman is better. But the margin is closer than one might expect. That AF71 is a remarkable guitar for the money. As for the Eastman, $2000 for a handcrafted custom guitar is actually on the cheap side, so even that one can be considered a good deal.
Alex, Great job, the Ibanez is a great guitar at a very good price, I have a friend that has one, but he doesn't play much. I will try it on for size,
The Eastman speaks for itself and with the Kent Armstrong in it, the depth and fulness is all there,
Thanks for sharing,
Thanks so much for your thoughts! 🙏🏼
You cannot compare a maple top archtop with a spruce top legitimately.
Even if everything else was exactly the same on them it would be a drastic difference. The tops are monumentally important on those guitars, they respond completely differently.
Fruits of Repentance you’re not going to find a solid top guitar in this price range
The Eastman all the way. But the Ibanez, for $400 is a great guitar. Ibanez are so great for their price point & they have great quality too.
I was surprised how much the Ibanez came to life after being plugged in, unplugged the Eastman killed it, not so much when they were plugged in
Great playing !!! Definitely not worth the price difference. You sound just as good with the Ibanez. But I understand wanting a custom built machine like the Eastman
Great comparison and awesome playing man!
wow man , great demo and awesome playing, I did a similar demo between an Ibanez and Godin...stumbled on yours looking for ideas for another jazz guitar...Ive been wanting to learn jazz for a while now but cant seem to get anywhere with it...really great playing man
Thanks Mike! My advice is to find a great teacher you can see in person, even if you have to drive far for it. Take a few lessons to get an idea what direction you should try to improve in. After that just listen to all the greats and transcribe :)
Very kool man, thanks for the advice...
Very kool man thanks for the advice!
I own the Ibanez, and for the money I will keep it. Unplugged it sounds like the plywood it is. The Eastman sounds extra wonderful plugged and unplugged, The crowds I play for would not notice
Clear high and a ton of bass! The expensive guitar wins ! The black guitar highs and not the kind of bass as the old guitar! The Eastman!’
Great presentation Alex!! Grounds for an informed decision. (Gonna go find something around the 600 mark though )
Thank you!
Nice version of "Donna Lee" The Ibanez is a great guitar for a beginner jazz player, compared to the Eastman it sounds like playing into a soup can though. But if not hearing the two sounds together the Ibanez would sound fine on it's own. The Ibanez is the way to go to get started with the feel of an archtop or jazzbox. Great playing and thanks for the side by side comparison.
deadmanprodinc thanks for your thoughts!
Very nice fluid playing. Great video man.
Wow, i really love your playing. Great comping!
Thank you!
Great Job. I like the Eastman. You can hear the difference in quality. And to me, it's worth the price. But you did a great job demoing them both.
Thank you!
It's been a surprise to me, that the Ibanez when plugged in actually to some degree, sounded better perhaps, on the four higher strings than the Eastman, but the lower strings tone, wasn't attractive to me. Acoustically the Eastman was a commanding victor. I wonder why the need to change the PU in the Eastman. I'm looking at the Eastman or the D'Angelico Throwback, both around 2K and at that price, I don't want to change anything but the strings. I'm hoping to find one, I enjoy playing, with no regrets and sounds magnificent acoustic as well as plugged in. I've got an Amp that I can really dial in, but I spend most the time unplugged.
Yes it is worth it, but if you have only $400 then the Ibanez is fine - play, don't wait! To me, the Eastman was 10x better acoustically and 5x better plugged in (ok, exageratting a bit). To me the acoustic sound is super important. Adds a lot to low volume performing, and for recording I use at least one mic for guitar acoustics, and the room mic will pic it up too if the overall volume is moderate. Excellent vid to show the difference between budget and higher end instruments!
Thanks John! I totally agree with you.
Both have a great sound, with the Eastman having the edge. The Base response in the Eastman makes it. I have a Carlo Robelli, which is really a Peerless. The spruce top makes the difference.
Totally agree!
I like the Donna lee solo
Thanks so much!
This is the one place where the tonewood debate is valid the Eastman does in fact sound better because of the construction of the guitar and the material it's made of it's solid top versus a laminated top so the wood in fact is going to actually project sound better but that's where the tonewood debate stops when you get involved in solid electric guitars people have this notion that tonewood matters when it doesn't but in this case it absolutely does matter and you can definitely hear the difference.
For the price the Ibanez sounds amazing they're great guitars especially for practice or even playing a gig nothing wrong with it.
Great guitars both of them
Eastman every time for me. Great demo comparison at the end using L&R channels. Excellent playing. (even tho' you were playing jazz, part of your piece reminded me of an LP called 'Nashville Guitar' which I've had since the 60's and which reminded me that most of the greats from that time used archtops). Thanks.
Thanks Alan!
Wait, I think we were short-changed: you only played solo with the $2,000 and no solo on the Ibanez. From what I heard, the $2,000 had a very beautiful resonance that I liked a lot. I myself bought my first beginner electric Les Paul 335 by Grotz for $300.
I was surprised how good the Ibanez sounded amplified. It had more presence than the Eastman. I play fingerstyle and need a guitar with more presence. The Eastman was too dark when amplified IMHO although it sounded better acoustically. Never mind the cork sniffers. I want a tool that will get the job done and doesn't need armed guards watching over it at a gig. Nice playing BTW cheers
Thanks so much for your thoughts Brian
Nice demo Alex !!!! Must say the Kent Armstrong PU gives a nice buttery sound, but its 4 times the price of the Ibanez. Enjoyed both
Louis Palermo thank you! Hope it was helpful
Cool, you had me at Bluezet. Subscribed.
Eastman sounds nicer...Ibanez is not bad at all though!
One certainly doesn't 5 mins. to figure out if the difference is noticeable. When playing them side by side, it would be a better comparison to play exactly the same notes and chords.
Like comparing a Chevy to a Cadillac, both are good and will get you there but the Eastman is much better. Goes to show that a good player such as yourself can make anything sound good,,, in my hands!!!!!
Thanks John!
Clear high and a ton of bass! The expensive guitar wins ! The black guitar highs and not the kind of bass as the old guitar!
Put Thomastik Infeld strings bebop set on the Eastman and you will be blown away by the change.
Check out one of his older videos where he compares that set to an ordinary one on this guitar
Eastman for sure, but for the price, the Ibanez is pretty good. I wonder how it would sound if you put that same pickup in it?
I think your style makes quite a bit of difference, Both Guitars sound like they are worth more than their Suggested prices but I think that's because of your great rendition & Style ! Bravo , Thanks ! Have you ever played the Washburn HB-15 Archtop with Floating Mini Humbucker ? I watched a you tube version of someone playing "Misty" on that and it sounded so incredible I bought one
Vincent Sabatino thanks Vincent! I appreciate the compliments. I haven’t tried the Washburn you mentioned. I generally haven’t had good experiences with that brand to be honest
Do you like it?
Alex This guitar has a Beautiful finish is made well ,with Grover tuners and it reminds me Basically of a Gibson ES-175-D that was stolen from the trunk of my car long time ago except that it has 1 mini humbucker neck P/U
i Had a stroke in June of 2018 and I'm recovering pretty well but my left hand is taking some time getting bar chords back in the Game so I'm using whatever means to make melodies that I can ,triads , single notes , scales Squeezy devices designed to strengthen fingers, Alternate tunings ! I bought a classical guitar thinking that might help and an accordion (which was my first ever instrument at an early age)
and that's getting the fingers going and the arm moving the bellows.I have the Washburn tuned like "rainsong guitar tuning and lesson by 365 guitar" and I'm making progress every time I pick the Guitar up ! Playing it through a Boss Katana 100 x12 and it has a decent Jazz tone and I'm keeping my hopes up that it will sound the way I want it to when my fingers cooperate better !