Zzt231 owner here. Car is transformed with simple bolt-ons, similar to how K series responds to bolt-ons. There are solid metal shifter bushings to combat that rubbery shifting feel. Most people install stiffer suspension to make it handle better. & if you really want to get more out of the engine you can get a standalone ECU like Apexi PFC, which allows lift to hit way sooner & longer. Boom, all the criticism is now fixed.
Mitsubishi had a lot of MIVEC engines with variable valve lift. The Mitsubishi Diamante 30M I used to own had a 6G72 MIVEC that made 200kW (270 PS) from a 3.0L V6, revved to 7500rpm and sounded amazing doing so. Way quicker than any Ford Falcon XR6 or V6 Commodore built in the period as well.
@@HashDogg06 The Cyborg was very similar to the Civic Vti-R Australia never got them but the Mirage one make race series in Australia used them or at least the Cyborg engine if I remember correctly.
I had that EXACT car. Same colour and kit but I also had a hood spoiler (factory). Such a good car. I used to race my mates DC2R and they are neck and neck. Only problem was it was a pain to stay in lift. Torque down low was hopeless haha. Was called a ZR here. The SX had the same engine but no ABS. All Celica's in oz came with the 2zz-ge. Same engine as the Corolla Sportivo.
Love my Celica GT(uk) gen 7- 2zz, Daily driven for last 13 years and its never got boring to drive - I just love it!! And compared to the bland modern cars these days it still looks awesome!! 👍
Nice video. I owned a Celica TS (GTS in Europe) in the past. Only the JDM 2zz Celica in SuperStrut version, had a LSD stock from the factory. Or the TRD Sport M limited edition. Not only the Celica and Lotus Elise and Exige are using the 2zz engine, but also the many Toyota Corolla versions (XRS, RunX, Fielder, ...), Toyota Voltz, Matrix. WiLL VS 1.8. Pontiac Vibe GT. There was Exige 2zz with compressor, as well as a limited edition of the Corolla, named Corolla TS TTE compressor. TTE (Toyota Team Europe), the former high competition branch of Toyota. The Corolla TS TTE compressor, was an amazing prepared machine, with stunning chassis and engine performances. Worth every penny.
Sometime back in the mid 00s I worked at a Toyota dealership that sold new and used. At one time a manual MR-S came in from Japan with a 2ZZ-GE fitted to it, I've never seen another, and can't confirm if it was fitted stock or converted in Japan. For all purposes it was a Toyota certified vehicle and "stock", which leads me to believe that it was actually some rare factory vehicle. It was fast! Seriously quick when fitted in a MR-S, considering the MR-S is not a lot different in weight to a Lotus Elise.
Yeah man I reviewed a 2ZZ MRS a wee while ago. White one with red wheels, compared with my Accord lol. Was epic! Because it was that little bit lighter it was actually able to use the power
@@KiwiCarLife The MR-S literally was Toyota Elise, but since Toyota accepted Lotus to fit the 2zz in their Elise 111R, Lotus asked them not to fit the 2zz in MR-S for sales reasons (MR-S would have been much cheaper, unfair competition). I think the MR-S from Japan is referring to, was the one from the famous Techno Pro Spirit tuner compagny. He was the first guy to make the 2zz swap to a MR-S. Nowadays the Techno Pro Spirit MR-S is a very advanced tuned MR-S fitted with Celica headlights, and capable of battling an E92 M3. He never stopped improving it.
@@jingorooroad2559 The MR-S is NOT ANYWHERE NEAR AN ELISE. The difference in chassis stiffness alone is worlds apart. Let alone the weight difference and DWB vs MacPherson Suspension problem
@@thumbtak Yeah sure, it's only a way to see it. Still, when comparing the prices, the MR-S was and is still a much cheaper option than a Lotus. You can put the price difference, in parts to modify the MR-S, and you'll be able to get a better Lotus for cheaper. Asano-san from Techno Pro Spirit, is the typical example of it. His MR-S is now amazingly fast. I followed the evolution of his MR-S, he even designed his own parts, and are selling them. He's even telling the weak points of it, and how to solve them.
Ex Celica owner here, it was an amazing machine. Toyota had a very different specifications on papers, compared to the ITR DC2. They were targeting another type of clients, looking for a more versatile car. Had fun toying with the bmw e46 325 328 330i and ci, back in the days. It's possible to stay in the lift when shifting, but you need to get use to it. Only 1st to 2nd it's almost impossible to stay in the lift, but above no problem. Toyota was ahead of Honda about intelligent variables systems, the VVT-i appeared in 1995, and VVTL-i in 1999, while i-VTEC only arrived on 2001. Toyota even won engine of the year in 2000 thanks to the 1zz and 2zz.
@@pinayinfrance2642 yeah first and second you definitely can’t stay in lift but second to third you can, just never really got that fast in the video. Yes Toyota bought out some of those intelligent systems before Honda, but Honda invented VTEC another five years before VVT, And despite the lack of vvt, the b18 still made more power than the 2ZZ, and feels way more torquey
@@KiwiCarLife Yes true, I agree. There are different reasons for that. The ITR and b18, received a racing preparation from factory, they polished the intakes by hands, internal are balanced, the weight distribution of the chassis was optimized taking in consideration everything,... Toyota clearly didn't went that far. They choose a higher lift engagement at 6000 rpm, for fuel savings, only a single vvti and VVTL-i,... Honestly that's why Lotus directly engaged the lift sooner at 5400-5500 on the 2zz, and it changes things a lot. As said above, Toyota was targeting another type of clients with the 7th gen Celica. You can drive long trip without being tired, which isn't the case of the ITR, being more stiff and rigid. Conclusions, it depends on what people are looking for, I was hesitating between S15, DC2, Celica, S2000, and more, but I didn't regret choosing the more versatile Celica, because we're not always racing everyday 😉
You learn something everyday, certainly didn't know Toyota had that tech going on under that bonnet! Another great vid mate, I am certainly a fan of the high revving na car with a manual gearbox formula!
5:47 it's not so much a competitor to the DC5 Integra Type R, but rather originally designed as a DC2 Integra GS-R (B18C1) or perhaps a DC5 Integra Type S competitor. The Type R's for both DC2 and DC5 really are in a different league like you said
Kinda irrelevant though because put them on track and the Type R will beat it every time. Watch the Best Motoring race, even the EK9 beat the celica haha
@@KiwiCarLife true but its worth mentioning, the front suspension on the dc5 is shared with the ep3 which was originally taken from a honda minivan. just look at the steering rack placement & design on those chassis. rear suspension has other issues too, especially when lowered etc
I have a Corolla T-Sport (European Sportivo). It’s my favourite car I’ve owned. I have a great laugh surprising people in it. No one expects a standard looking Corolla to rev to 8.2k and manage to go 140. I’ve got some plans for it, like a Blitz LM induction kit and to fit some NB Mx5 wheels on it when I get them refurbed. The chassis is okay but will be much better when it’s on coilovers. The steering is quite good and keeping it in lift, while hard is very addictive. In the UK, a T-Sport is much cheaper than an EP3 Type R and is just as fast in a straight line. Would recommend it to anyone who wants a good sleeper that you can easily daily. I’ve driven it on multiple 3 hour journeys and no pain in my back whatsoever
Definitely underrated in Australia given many where Automatic driven by hairdressers. Also many owners didn't actually know able the second lift cam at 6,000rpm. I worked for Toyota just as these where phasing out and the Corolla Sportivo with the same engine where being sold. The Celica's definitely drove better especially in regards to handelling and steering feel. There's still plenty round but you be lucky to find one with under 250,000. What id like to see on the channel actually is the ST202 SS-III Celica either the 2.0L Yamaha BEAMS engine. Australia never got it and not many people know they existed. Now they are over 25 years old they can be legally imported to Australia. If you could find one of those it would be quite a unique review.
Corolla TS has this engine too. Even better there was a Corolla TS TRD verison equipped with a compressor. Unfortunately even the TRD version came without LSD fitted.
I was doubting when reading this comment, so I searched online. There's no Corolla TS TRD ever made or build. I think you was referring to the Corolla TTE compressor, which was made in a limited edition in Europe, and which was a really effective weapon on track.
_Been waiting for a review on one of these, back in the day they was a lot of criticism on the lack of torque and narrow power band_ .. _still, a cool car 😎 .. I believe the head was designed by YAMAHA if I’m not mistaken_ .. _great review🤙🏼_
This 2ZZ is a good motor if its driven correctly and maintained well. IF the 2ZZ is neglected from basic maintenance or driven harder than it should when its cold is when you get really horrendous issues. The MMC liners on the cylinder walls hate being driven hard when cold. Once the MMC liners are gone you either need new sleeves or a new short block. Both very expensive. Also in the earlier 2ZZs the VVTLI bolts like to come apart if the factory recall hasnt been done. Compaired to the 3SGE this replaced this engine looks weak in comparison. But if looked after and driven correctly im sure the owner would get a long healthy life out of this motor. Fun fact: The 2ZZ-GE is the ONLY toyota production engine with VVTLi. 2JZ-GTE? no 2GR-FE? no 1LR-GUE(Lexus LFA)? no G16E-GTS (GR Yaris and Corolla)? no. So for that alone it is quite a special engine. I wish Toyota would explore VVTLI more in future.
Sounds like a BMW! I think with any high performance engine they can’t handle neglect as well as an understrung boggo 4 cyl. And yep it’s their only VVTL-i engine
I had the Corolla wagon version called the Aerotourer Z with TRD headers and exhaust and it definitely moved with an awesome scream once it hit lift. It is definitely possible to hit lift in 2nd with a short shifter too but you gotta be real smooth 😅
Interestingly enough, my European spec TS Celica has Lift that goes from 6k to 8,2k RPM , definitely more usable and great fun too! Just a nimble and beautiful car~
A K24A3 Accord on original gearing ratio and original ECU tune also falls out of the VTEC band on shift. No doubt a good tuner can transform this car. Give it more midrange and keep you in the band during shifting. Probably needs a few bolt-ons though, as with the K24, if you just lower VTEC without letting it breathe better, it bogs.
2:27 In the US, the 2005-6 Corolla XRS and 2003-6 Matrix XRS (and Pontiac Vibe Sport, which was a rebadged Matrix XRS) also came with the 2ZZ-GE and 6MT.
My mate had a brand new ZR back in 2001 or 2002 or so,, In the blue. was a nice colour and optioned with factory BBS rims. RRP was 50k ish too.. Lift should come on at 6000 RPM.. In 2003 I got my DC2R for 30k 2nd hand.. Much better car which I held onto for 10 years!
Toyota still have that, under the name of Valvematic which switches the lift profile based on throttle position as opposed to engine rev (just like BMW’s Valvetronic, which is also a variable valve lift system)
First car when i moved to NZ. Still loving and enjoying. Mine is fully stock and done 255K. Wish i could get performance exhaust like invidia N1 but iam not sure whether its too much loud in NZ. Its a 99 model 6 speed manual 2ZZ. Lift engagement is sluggish recently but we will be already above speed limit before it even had time to engage. Perfect daily sports car and massive space at back where i put my bicycle, mattress, pillow and chair and i do camping in this car and no suvs or campervans can match this level of enjoyment. Living in Hamilton and with these 50s and 60s and occasional 80s speed zones, i get fuel economy more than average swift. So all in all this car covers everything the best it can no matter how much hate this car has.
theres some small mods you could really benefit from with the age and kms. invidia n1 not only sounds awful but is pretty close to the limit in nz. fujitsubo power getter or apexi n1 evo are much better options (actually sound good too). if lift is sluggish you probably have an issue somewhere
@arcanevoid9199 thanks for those suggestions. I will take a look for it. Regarding lift, not sure whether it's lift bolts or OCV. Since there is no oil leaks and completely stable, felt not to disturb opening the engine head but ya miss the best part of this engine. For the exhaust I do wish bit more sound than stock but at the same time she is quiet at night
@@KiwiCarLifeyes kind of iam very late. During summer trip I spend whole month sleeping in the car on camps. Rear TRD spoiler is for locking the bicycle at night. Do you know the best part - if you sleep inside the car you get the whole night sky view with stars. Travelled whole of north island from cape reinga all the way to wellington. One big challenge is she runs only on 98 and she don't like the 95 we get from remote fuel pumps. When I came back to hamilton engine was knocking above 3000rpm and it took around 2 weeks of fresh 98 to fix it and then all back to normal. Also during winter she is absolutely fine getting frozen at mt.ruapehu. stayed for 3 days there. Anyway it was wonderful experience and she did more than those struggling smoking campervans and also did lot of offroads than suvs and WOF just passed.
@@maheshmohan92 could test the solenoid and then check the lift bolts, there is no issue removing the valve cover as new gaskets are cheap. got the fujitsubo power getter for mine and its very similar volume to stock at idle and low rpm but its progressively louder the higher the rpm etc. sounds much better though and doesnt drone even if you let off at 5k rpm. can get it from japan for about $1150nzd shipped
So much more cars than just celica and lotus. Also corolla and matrix xrs aswell as the pontiac vibe gt. With a good tune these can run good specially in the corolla or matrix 05 06 with r9k tune which can keep u in that powerband every gear if u can shift it at the right time. With full Bolt on and a ported intake manifold lift almost fell like boost😂
unfortunate how its never the nice examples that get reviewed, seems so common for these to not get looked after properly in nz. can easily spot the black brake fluid in the engine bay and overall lack of care (outside of the nice paint etc). the shifting on these can be massively improved by sorting out the bushings, but most are on the oem bushings that are soft and end up oval after a while
@@KiwiCarLife its got fairly low kms and interior and exterior wise it is. but when you start looking closer its obvious its not that great, after 22 years and 100,000kms+ things wear out and most people don't replace them. I am intimately familiar with this platform as I have stripped mine down to essentially a bare shell
Yeah there’s a lot of manufacturers with continuous valve lift adjustment technology, like BMW’s valvetronic but not many with the distinctive change at a certain rpm as it physically switches to a larger cam lobe rather than continuously phasing it
Also another note, the stock seats on this car give you a surprisingly low seating position (much moreso than a contemporary Civic Si or RSX) and it's common to swap these 7th gen Celica seats into 6th gen Celicas.
I know it's fashionable to assume that the backseat of a sports car is completely unusable, but the Celica actually has ample leg room and is perfectly reasonable for fitting extra passengers in the back for shorter trips. It also has an insane storage capacity with the rear seats folded down. I'd go as far as to say that it's easily the most practical proper sports car ever made. Also, the engine can absolutely stay in lift after a shift if you rev it properly to the 8300 limiter.
The DC5 Integra has an equivalent amount of room to this. Same with 1 series coupe. And I believe it depends on the year and market. Our NZ new ones definitely don't go to 8300 and the lift come in at like 6200 I think so it's impossible to stay in lift in this example
Down on power, sure, but means you can drive the pants off it without warp factor 9-ing yourself to death / prison. Of course, you still could, but you get my drift. What a fun car! Give it another 10 years and it’ll be collectable. Awesome vid, per usual bro!! Keep em rolling…
Now go find one of the Fielder station wagons with exactly the same 2zz motor and 6spd manual. I’ve had both and the Fielder is more fun purely for the sleeper factor
FunFact; There were optional LSDs from factory, also there were versions with higher & lower redlines Gearing & lightness on the Type R was superior, but the GTS was never a true competitor to the hand built Rs, unless we're talking Celica M Spec Toyota made them closer to mass production vehicles similar to the Si type even though that still benefits from hand machined powerplants, the 2ZZs never had any costly hand port matching, polishing & the like Toyota's aspirations are less but it's still an amazing option to market that I believe beat the K20 to the punch with cam phasing & the intelligence aspect of the technology. The higher reving LSD model might be respected, but as with the K20, on American roads in particular you were better served just springing for something with a proper V6/I6, that's just to say I hope no reader gets the impression that I'm championing either of these 4Pots as the pinnacle of performance
@@ChroniclesofKToyoda any proof? looking at the launch catalog from toyota with all the dealer options & equipment the lsd is nowhere to be found except mentioning its standard on the superstrut model
@@arcanevoid9199 read my comment again, I'm saying it was an option by choosing that variant, we aren't in disagreement, you're arguing semantics when I'm only saying LSD was on the table that's all
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Toyota has valvematic continuously VVL (unlike VTEC) 1-11mm even in econoboxes, ZR FAE engine class and they're quite revvy too ~8k
The ZZ2 in the Elise models had an extra 1000rpm to work with so it could easily stay in the power band. I think they had a deal with Toyota to keep theirs dialed back so they couldn't compete as if an expensive MR toy and an economy FF car were being shortlisted together by people looking for their next sports car. The lift point and fuel cutoff changes depending on the year. I think '02 was the worst of them all. Mine was a '00 and it engaged lift at 6000rpm flat and nearly went to 8500rpm which gave it near continuous lift under full acceleration. If I find another in good shape I'm saving up for a Haltech to give it the full 9000rpm
@@zubiddydoodoopop hmmmm that’s a good point. Yeah this one was a 2002 and only went to 8200 and lift was around 6200 so it could stay in lift from 2nd to 3rd but not 1st to 2nd
I used to own a corolla sportivo, I think the lift starts at 6200rpm and redline at 8200rpm and some celica has 7800 rpm redline. Also, as long as shfting from 1st to 2nd landed inside lift range, it can head to head with stock k20.
@@Golf7CS problem is there’s no way to keep it in lift. You can hear at the start I literally hit rev limiter and still dropped out of lift. The ratio is just too long
@@KiwiCarLife I agreed with you that in a normal situation, the lift should come before 6.2k or the redline goes further like lotus (iirc lotus redline at 8.6k) to stay in the power band. It needs some practice on aggresive and perfect timing shift to land just right in the lift zone.
@@Golf7CS it’s not possible though. If you spin the wheels then maybe but it doesn’t even have the power for that. I looked back at the raw footage and in the initial acceleration clip I shifted at 8200rpm, the revs then dropped to 5500rpm in 2nd. Lift is 6200. You can’t get it to stay in lift when changing into 2nd. Into 3rd though it drops to 6200 so you can from 2nd to 3rd.
@@KiwiCarLife I dont't know if anything to do with the car, but mine drops between 6000-6200 rpm when shift from 1st to 2nd. I also tried the 7th gen celica, the acceleration is not as hard/punchy as the corolla. I know it is kind of the same car but every same car is different. Just want to let you know it is capable of doing that.
Seems like different years have different lift engagement points. Because it is physically not possible. Unless you shift hard enough to spin the wheels, which in the dry is not possible, even hitting rev limiter at 8200, the revs drop back to like 5700
@@KiwiCarLife the 03-06 models had rpm lift set to 6200 the earlier models were set to 6000,mine revs up to 8250 and I shift just before that to hit lift all the time.
Lower lip biting increases as far as rpm increases 😂 thats sign of vtec fan You've already reviewed this car. It always concerned me its daily driveability because of seat comfort, and its burning oil issue.
Yeah from memory it’s more the 1ZZ that can burn oil? Either way the 2ZZ seems mostly reliable but isn’t bulletproof, especially the gearbox is a bit weak. And yeah I think you could daily one no problem but there’s better cars out there that can still do high revving fun but with some creature comforts. Like a Euro R for instance
Dunno which one burns oil tbh 🙄 im not so familiar with toyota engines, i tought theres 1.8 and thats it, now i see theres two types of it. Thx for the info
@@GandhiBeatz 1zzfe burns oil because of lack of oil return holes on the piston, toyota doubled the amount in 2003 to fix this issue. however it can still happen if oil changes are neglected severely. 2zz doesn't burn oil unless there is something seriously wrong, only thing you will get with the 2zz is oil leaks or blow by from hard driving
4:16 the fonts on the gauge cluster look hideous but thankfully, the facelifted Celicas from 2003 onwards came with a vastly more palatable and normal-looking font
AVLS is quite different where it only varies the lift on one cam lobe, more like VTEC-E to improve efficiency by creating a swirl effect in the combustion chamber. The 2ZZ and B, H, F and K series are the only engines to use two different size cam lobes all the time
Nice video man! I've got a Corolla XRS with the 2ZZ-GE and a good number of people can get the ECU reflashed to lower lift engagement. The R9K reflash/tune has my lift come in around 5800rpm, redline raised to 8600rpm and losing that torque dip between shifts definitely makes a difference. Although not officially timed...in my before and after, I'd reckon that the 0-60 is at least 0.5-0.7 seconds quicker 👍 ruclips.net/video/hy1enx9p7yU/видео.htmlsi=06MvGJD_17VIIXBW
Incorrect! Ever hear of MIVEC by Mitsubishi, or the Nissan VE engines. Variable lift ya'll. 🙂 I have a mean little MIVEC Mirage cup car that lives in the MIVEC.. just saying 😉
Yes I didn’t realise Mitsi did it too. A lot of other brands are continuously variable though. BMW’s valvetronic is an example of this. Not many engines besides Honda and 2ZZ where it switches from a small cam lobe to a big one.
@@WyattJp yes and no, the front suspension is very expensive to service/replace and there is almost no aftermarket for it. some of the oem parts are also discontinued. you can just replace it with the normal mcpherson suspension though, but its still quite alot of work. keep in mind that because of the age and kms it could definitely use new bushings, shocks, caliper rebuild, fuel filter etc etc
There’s so little in the way of features in them I’m not sure how they can be unreliable. There’s nothing to go wrong haha. The older ones weren’t great though, 70’s and 80’s
Surprised the engine didn't break down during this video, these VVT-i and VVTL-i 1.8 litre engines are known for being not that great in terms of reliability.. they also like to consume oil at a rather healthy pace. I was looking at these Celicas but so far haven't bought one from all the horror stories of the engines blowing up before and slightly after 200tkm (~125000 miles?). They seem to work fine (apart from oil consumption) when driven "like a normal car", but as soon as you start pushing the engine hard at high rpms, they have a tendency to not last. I've heard it's especially catastrophic when you have the revs high during hard cornering.
they are great in terms of reliability, just a massive amount of misinformation on the internet but its the same with many platforms/engines. only the prefacelift 1zz has an oil consumption issue, this was fixed in 2003 but can still be an issue if you neglect oil changes (you shouldn't). and its not about having the revs high, its about the cornering forces. the stock oiling system on these is not up to track use or very hard street use, and being at high rpm only makes it worse
It’s funny aye when Toyota engines have reliability issues it’s “misinformation on the internet” but if it’s a BMW engine that’s generally quite reliable it’s “oh classic BMW plastic piles of garbage so unreliable blah blah”. It is fairly common knowledge that the 2ZZ’s transmission is weak, they can burn oil (as with any high performance 4 cylinder when it gets to high k’s) and the VVTL-i solenoids can fail, among other things. They’re certainly not unreliable no… but they’re not bulletproof. I drove a traded RunX from work for a week and the engine light came on multiple times because of the lift not engaging. And the owner himself admitted it needs to be topped up with oil even though he serviced it immaculately. At 120,000km!
@@KiwiCarLife you aren't wrong but I find with the 2zz the experience of each owner varies massively. and this is due to how the engine has been looked after, and people not doing their research. my 2zz didnt burn any oil even after 230,000kms, still on original solenoids. the lift didn't work on mine and didnt get any engine lights, was just a broken lift bolt. and it probably had a leaking timing cover, the leak eventually gets really bad but takes 20ish years to get there
@@arcanevoid9199 yeah you’re right it’s similar with any brand some owners think they’re awful others have no issues. Maybe I’ve just got lucky with my BMW’s? But I haven’t had any issues. 2ZZ overall isn’t horrendous though, few leaks and solenoids to replace ain’t bad especially at those k’s.
En el nurburgrin el celica 7g ya sea el 1zzfe o 2zzge desmuestra que es un deportivo para niñas no tiene ningun de los motores prestaciones solamente hacen ruido no destacan son lentos y el chasis es alto para ser deportivo nisiquiera viene con autoblocante es muy cutre y bastante problemático el motor 2zzge el coche da vergüenza es para niñas. El mr2 mk3 al pesar menos tiene mas prestaciones con swap al 2zzge pero el motor es problematico,el mr2 mk3 realmente como rinde bien y es fiable con swap motor honda k20/k24. El celica es una porquería muy cutre un deportivo para niñas.
2024 and that 1.8 liter can kick ass. I love the sound
Yesss good engine
Zzt231 owner here.
Car is transformed with simple bolt-ons, similar to how K series responds to bolt-ons.
There are solid metal shifter bushings to combat that rubbery shifting feel.
Most people install stiffer suspension to make it handle better.
& if you really want to get more out of the engine you can get a standalone ECU like Apexi PFC, which allows lift to hit way sooner & longer.
Boom, all the criticism is now fixed.
@@dephataznboi yeah that is exactly what this car needs aye
You can also get a lighter flywheel/ clutch to also increase torque/ rev quicker
cai/header/ aems 4 y pumm 1.8 liter can kick ass
You do realise that Mitsubishi had a 1.6 4G92 Mivec and Nissan SR16VE SR20VE engines that had the variable lift on both camshafts.
Mitsubishi had a lot of MIVEC engines with variable valve lift. The Mitsubishi Diamante 30M I used to own had a 6G72 MIVEC that made 200kW (270 PS) from a 3.0L V6, revved to 7500rpm and sounded amazing doing so. Way quicker than any Ford Falcon XR6 or V6 Commodore built in the period as well.
Liam needs to get his hands on a Cyborg for sure.
I did not realise that but I’m learning something new!
@@HashDogg06 he sure does. They sound most excellent on MIVEC
@@HashDogg06
The Cyborg was very similar to the Civic Vti-R
Australia never got them but the Mirage one make race series in Australia used them or at least the Cyborg engine if I remember correctly.
I had that EXACT car. Same colour and kit but I also had a hood spoiler (factory). Such a good car. I used to race my mates DC2R and they are neck and neck. Only problem was it was a pain to stay in lift. Torque down low was hopeless haha. Was called a ZR here. The SX had the same engine but no ABS. All Celica's in oz came with the 2zz-ge. Same engine as the Corolla Sportivo.
Nice man but yeah that lift neeeeds to come in sooner aye
Love my Celica GT(uk) gen 7- 2zz,
Daily driven for last 13 years and its never got boring to drive - I just love it!!
And compared to the bland modern cars these days it still looks awesome!! 👍
@@infinityeight8705 awesome man glad you’re still enjoying it all these years later
Nice video. I owned a Celica TS (GTS in Europe) in the past.
Only the JDM 2zz Celica in SuperStrut version, had a LSD stock from the factory. Or the TRD Sport M limited edition.
Not only the Celica and Lotus Elise and Exige are using the 2zz engine, but also the many Toyota Corolla versions (XRS, RunX, Fielder, ...), Toyota Voltz, Matrix. WiLL VS 1.8. Pontiac Vibe GT.
There was Exige 2zz with compressor, as well as a limited edition of the Corolla, named Corolla TS TTE compressor. TTE (Toyota Team Europe), the former high competition branch of Toyota.
The Corolla TS TTE compressor, was an amazing prepared machine, with stunning chassis and engine performances. Worth every penny.
@@jingorooroad2559 nice man yeah they’re a good engine aye
My mate owns one of these. Having a very big Honda bias, i didn't go much on the celica. But after driving it, truly a great car.
@@bubbles4136 yeah I’d agree
Had 1 of these with full body kit, 6spd manual vvtl-i. Was great fun.
Awesome!
With a proper cold air intake they sound insane when they hit lift.
Oh yeah absolutely
Sometime back in the mid 00s I worked at a Toyota dealership that sold new and used. At one time a manual MR-S came in from Japan with a 2ZZ-GE fitted to it, I've never seen another, and can't confirm if it was fitted stock or converted in Japan. For all purposes it was a Toyota certified vehicle and "stock", which leads me to believe that it was actually some rare factory vehicle. It was fast! Seriously quick when fitted in a MR-S, considering the MR-S is not a lot different in weight to a Lotus Elise.
Yeah man I reviewed a 2ZZ MRS a wee while ago. White one with red wheels, compared with my Accord lol. Was epic! Because it was that little bit lighter it was actually able to use the power
@@KiwiCarLife The MR-S literally was Toyota Elise, but since Toyota accepted Lotus to fit the 2zz in their Elise 111R, Lotus asked them not to fit the 2zz in MR-S for sales reasons (MR-S would have been much cheaper, unfair competition).
I think the MR-S from Japan is referring to, was the one from the famous Techno Pro Spirit tuner compagny. He was the first guy to make the 2zz swap to a MR-S. Nowadays the Techno Pro Spirit MR-S is a very advanced tuned MR-S fitted with Celica headlights, and capable of battling an E92 M3. He never stopped improving it.
@@jingorooroad2559 The MR-S is NOT ANYWHERE NEAR AN ELISE. The difference in chassis stiffness alone is worlds apart. Let alone the weight difference and DWB vs MacPherson Suspension problem
@@thumbtak Yeah sure, it's only a way to see it. Still, when comparing the prices, the MR-S was and is still a much cheaper option than a Lotus. You can put the price difference, in parts to modify the MR-S, and you'll be able to get a better Lotus for cheaper.
Asano-san from Techno Pro Spirit, is the typical example of it. His MR-S is now amazingly fast. I followed the evolution of his MR-S, he even designed his own parts, and are selling them. He's even telling the weak points of it, and how to solve them.
Ex Celica owner here, it was an amazing machine. Toyota had a very different specifications on papers, compared to the ITR DC2. They were targeting another type of clients, looking for a more versatile car.
Had fun toying with the bmw e46 325 328 330i and ci, back in the days.
It's possible to stay in the lift when shifting, but you need to get use to it. Only 1st to 2nd it's almost impossible to stay in the lift, but above no problem.
Toyota was ahead of Honda about intelligent variables systems, the VVT-i appeared in 1995, and VVTL-i in 1999, while i-VTEC only arrived on 2001. Toyota even won engine of the year in 2000 thanks to the 1zz and 2zz.
@@pinayinfrance2642 yeah first and second you definitely can’t stay in lift but second to third you can, just never really got that fast in the video.
Yes Toyota bought out some of those intelligent systems before Honda, but Honda invented VTEC another five years before VVT, And despite the lack of vvt, the b18 still made more power than the 2ZZ, and feels way more torquey
@@KiwiCarLife Yes true, I agree.
There are different reasons for that. The ITR and b18, received a racing preparation from factory, they polished the intakes by hands, internal are balanced, the weight distribution of the chassis was optimized taking in consideration everything,... Toyota clearly didn't went that far.
They choose a higher lift engagement at 6000 rpm, for fuel savings, only a single vvti and VVTL-i,... Honestly that's why Lotus directly engaged the lift sooner at 5400-5500 on the 2zz, and it changes things a lot.
As said above, Toyota was targeting another type of clients with the 7th gen Celica. You can drive long trip without being tired, which isn't the case of the ITR, being more stiff and rigid.
Conclusions, it depends on what people are looking for, I was hesitating between S15, DC2, Celica, S2000, and more, but I didn't regret choosing the more versatile Celica, because we're not always racing everyday 😉
Cool video!! big 2ZZ fan, my Turbo Elise has been boosted for over 10 years, 330whp these days
Epic man! That would be a heckin fast elise
@@KiwiCarLifeyou’re going to drive it soon mate! next time in aucks
Very underrated channel
Thanks!
Mate has two 2zz fielders, one has been tastefully modded and has some fancy cold air intake, man the lift soinds amazing, imo better than vtec haha
@@edmund111 That’s epic man
You learn something everyday, certainly didn't know Toyota had that tech going on under that bonnet!
Another great vid mate, I am certainly a fan of the high revving na car with a manual gearbox formula!
There ya go!
5:47 it's not so much a competitor to the DC5 Integra Type R, but rather originally designed as a DC2 Integra GS-R (B18C1) or perhaps a DC5 Integra Type S competitor. The Type R's for both DC2 and DC5 really are in a different league like you said
celica has much better suspension than the dc5 and is lighter than the type r too
Kinda irrelevant though because put them on track and the Type R will beat it every time. Watch the Best Motoring race, even the EK9 beat the celica haha
@@KiwiCarLife true but its worth mentioning, the front suspension on the dc5 is shared with the ep3 which was originally taken from a honda minivan. just look at the steering rack placement & design on those chassis. rear suspension has other issues too, especially when lowered etc
tbh this channel deserves way more subscribers
Appreciate it!
I have a Corolla T-Sport (European Sportivo). It’s my favourite car I’ve owned. I have a great laugh surprising people in it. No one expects a standard looking Corolla to rev to 8.2k and manage to go 140. I’ve got some plans for it, like a Blitz LM induction kit and to fit some NB Mx5 wheels on it when I get them refurbed. The chassis is okay but will be much better when it’s on coilovers. The steering is quite good and keeping it in lift, while hard is very addictive. In the UK, a T-Sport is much cheaper than an EP3 Type R and is just as fast in a straight line. Would recommend it to anyone who wants a good sleeper that you can easily daily. I’ve driven it on multiple 3 hour journeys and no pain in my back whatsoever
Nice man!
Definitely underrated in Australia given many where Automatic driven by hairdressers. Also many owners didn't actually know able the second lift cam at 6,000rpm.
I worked for Toyota just as these where phasing out and the Corolla Sportivo with the same engine where being sold.
The Celica's definitely drove better especially in regards to handelling and steering feel. There's still plenty round but you be lucky to find one with under 250,000.
What id like to see on the channel actually is the ST202 SS-III Celica either the 2.0L Yamaha BEAMS engine.
Australia never got it and not many people know they existed. Now they are over 25 years old they can be legally imported to Australia.
If you could find one of those it would be quite a unique review.
Yeah well I’ve done the GT-Four ST205 but the 202 Beams would be a good one. Basically a FWD altezza coupe kinda
Popular with hairdressers due to the substantial headroom.
I've had 2 of these, both TSports really really fun to drive miss getting rid of them
They’re pretty fun aye! I’m sure you’ll get another
Corolla TS has this engine too. Even better there was a Corolla TS TRD verison equipped with a compressor. Unfortunately even the TRD version came without LSD fitted.
Runx Z & Allex i believe had this engine which i would prefer over this Celica...ugly.
@@HashDogg06 celica is a much better car, and they really aren't ugly. especially compared to the runx lol
Yeah the Celica looks much better than the Corolla imo haha. I’d love to drive a TS TRD! Lotus engine in a Corolla. Epic
I was doubting when reading this comment, so I searched online. There's no Corolla TS TRD ever made or build.
I think you was referring to the Corolla TTE compressor, which was made in a limited edition in Europe, and which was a really effective weapon on track.
@@pinayinfrance2642 I think it’s probably a local Aussie model
_Been waiting for a review on one of these, back in the day they was a lot of criticism on the lack of torque and narrow power band_ .. _still, a cool car 😎 .. I believe the head was designed by YAMAHA if I’m not mistaken_ .. _great review🤙🏼_
Yep Yamaha did almost all high performance Toyota engines back in the day. It’s pretty cool
You're not mistaken, Yamaha is written on the side of the 2zz engine. You're able to spot it, when looking from the right angle.
@@pinayinfrance2642 yep quite cool to see
This 2ZZ is a good motor if its driven correctly and maintained well. IF the 2ZZ is neglected from basic maintenance or driven harder than it should when its cold is when you get really horrendous issues. The MMC liners on the cylinder walls hate being driven hard when cold. Once the MMC liners are gone you either need new sleeves or a new short block. Both very expensive. Also in the earlier 2ZZs the VVTLI bolts like to come apart if the factory recall hasnt been done. Compaired to the 3SGE this replaced this engine looks weak in comparison. But if looked after and driven correctly im sure the owner would get a long healthy life out of this motor.
Fun fact: The 2ZZ-GE is the ONLY toyota production engine with VVTLi. 2JZ-GTE? no 2GR-FE? no 1LR-GUE(Lexus LFA)? no G16E-GTS (GR Yaris and Corolla)? no. So for that alone it is quite a special engine. I wish Toyota would explore VVTLI more in future.
Sounds like a BMW! I think with any high performance engine they can’t handle neglect as well as an understrung boggo 4 cyl. And yep it’s their only VVTL-i engine
This engine only opens the valves at 6000rpm when the engine reaches 90º.
I had the Corolla wagon version called the Aerotourer Z with TRD headers and exhaust and it definitely moved with an awesome scream once it hit lift. It is definitely possible to hit lift in 2nd with a short shifter too but you gotta be real smooth 😅
@@shixtr nice man!
Miss my Celica
@@burningknuckle26 good cars
Interestingly enough, my European spec TS Celica has Lift that goes from 6k to 8,2k RPM , definitely more usable and great fun too! Just a nimble and beautiful car~
Yeah weird aye all the 2ZZ’s seem to have slightly different engagement points
I had a 2001 corolla runx Z TRD with the same engine and gearbox, so fun
They’re cool aye!
That’s what I have now and it’s auto but drives amazing fast car for what it is hopefully Manuel swap it soon 😊
Awesome! I had a metallic blue one with a Blitz Compressor Supercharger on it. Miss that car but it attracted too much attention!
Man, I swear I saw that on trademe years ago! It was on my watchlist for sure haah!
Awesome!
A K24A3 Accord on original gearing ratio and original ECU tune also falls out of the VTEC band on shift.
No doubt a good tuner can transform this car. Give it more midrange and keep you in the band during shifting.
Probably needs a few bolt-ons though, as with the K24, if you just lower VTEC without letting it breathe better, it bogs.
Yeah but because it’s a 2.4 you don’t notice it as bad. It makes 233Nm at 4500rpm, whereas this makes 181Nm at 6000rpm.
Nothing will ever beat vtec
Good noise
Agree
Unless you're biased and, prefer a MIVEC's induction noises 😉
@@chellesroberts1384 tbh they all sound great in their own way. Need to review one of these mivecs now I’m hearing good things
@@KiwiCarLife ruclips.net/video/oR2hGE7Swtw/видео.htmlsi=FyNKDNttB1Gj9KhM
2zz was also used in the single seater toyota racing series
Oh really that’s cool
it is also used by the lotus elise. just that the elise uses the c64 and celica uses c60, which makes for a different 6th gear and final drive ratio
@@rzt430 yep that’s the one!
And also in the Corolla T-Sport.
2:27 In the US, the 2005-6 Corolla XRS and 2003-6 Matrix XRS (and Pontiac Vibe Sport, which was a rebadged Matrix XRS) also came with the 2ZZ-GE and 6MT.
Yup
My mate had a brand new ZR back in 2001 or 2002 or so,, In the blue. was a nice colour and optioned with factory BBS rims. RRP was 50k ish too.. Lift should come on at 6000 RPM.. In 2003 I got my DC2R for 30k 2nd hand.. Much better car which I held onto for 10 years!
Yeah tbh I’d say the DC2 is a better car. Better interior and despite the lack of VVT, the engine just feels more potent and VTEC comes in lower
Toyota still have that, under the name of Valvematic which switches the lift profile based on throttle position as opposed to engine rev (just like BMW’s Valvetronic, which is also a variable valve lift system)
Yeah I was more referring to engines that switch from a small lobe to a big one. Variable isn’t quite the same as you don’t feel or hear when it hits
Originally bmw called it Vanos, but the way they made it works, was different from the VTEC and VVTL-i. More complex to do the same at the final.
First car when i moved to NZ. Still loving and enjoying. Mine is fully stock and done 255K. Wish i could get performance exhaust like invidia N1 but iam not sure whether its too much loud in NZ. Its a 99 model 6 speed manual 2ZZ. Lift engagement is sluggish recently but we will be already above speed limit before it even had time to engage.
Perfect daily sports car and massive space at back where i put my bicycle, mattress, pillow and chair and i do camping in this car and no suvs or campervans can match this level of enjoyment.
Living in Hamilton and with these 50s and 60s and occasional 80s speed zones, i get fuel economy more than average swift. So all in all this car covers everything the best it can no matter how much hate this car has.
theres some small mods you could really benefit from with the age and kms. invidia n1 not only sounds awful but is pretty close to the limit in nz. fujitsubo power getter or apexi n1 evo are much better options (actually sound good too). if lift is sluggish you probably have an issue somewhere
Haha nice man glad you enjoyed it! A lot of people seemed to have these in their younger days
@arcanevoid9199 thanks for those suggestions. I will take a look for it. Regarding lift, not sure whether it's lift bolts or OCV. Since there is no oil leaks and completely stable, felt not to disturb opening the engine head but ya miss the best part of this engine. For the exhaust I do wish bit more sound than stock but at the same time she is quiet at night
@@KiwiCarLifeyes kind of iam very late. During summer trip I spend whole month sleeping in the car on camps. Rear TRD spoiler is for locking the bicycle at night. Do you know the best part - if you sleep inside the car you get the whole night sky view with stars. Travelled whole of north island from cape reinga all the way to wellington. One big challenge is she runs only on 98 and she don't like the 95 we get from remote fuel pumps. When I came back to hamilton engine was knocking above 3000rpm and it took around 2 weeks of fresh 98 to fix it and then all back to normal. Also during winter she is absolutely fine getting frozen at mt.ruapehu. stayed for 3 days there. Anyway it was wonderful experience and she did more than those struggling smoking campervans and also did lot of offroads than suvs and WOF just passed.
@@maheshmohan92 could test the solenoid and then check the lift bolts, there is no issue removing the valve cover as new gaskets are cheap. got the fujitsubo power getter for mine and its very similar volume to stock at idle and low rpm but its progressively louder the higher the rpm etc. sounds much better though and doesnt drone even if you let off at 5k rpm. can get it from japan for about $1150nzd shipped
So much more cars than just celica and lotus. Also corolla and matrix xrs aswell as the pontiac vibe gt. With a good tune these can run good specially in the corolla or matrix 05 06 with r9k tune which can keep u in that powerband every gear if u can shift it at the right time. With full Bolt on and a ported intake manifold lift almost fell like boost😂
Yes very true
Always liked these but everyone preferred the dc2 and ep3 type r
@@Birmingham_racing yeah tbh I can see why, they are better but this is still good
@@KiwiCarLifewell you have to pay a lot more now for one over the celica
unfortunate how its never the nice examples that get reviewed, seems so common for these to not get looked after properly in nz. can easily spot the black brake fluid in the engine bay and overall lack of care (outside of the nice paint etc). the shifting on these can be massively improved by sorting out the bushings, but most are on the oem bushings that are soft and end up oval after a while
What do you mean this one was in great shape? There are farrrr worse examples than this
@@KiwiCarLife its got fairly low kms and interior and exterior wise it is. but when you start looking closer its obvious its not that great, after 22 years and 100,000kms+ things wear out and most people don't replace them. I am intimately familiar with this platform as I have stripped mine down to essentially a bare shell
Toyota also has the Runx RSI that has the same feature and Nissan has VVL engines, which is basically the same thing.
Yeah there’s a lot of manufacturers with continuous valve lift adjustment technology, like BMW’s valvetronic but not many with the distinctive change at a certain rpm as it physically switches to a larger cam lobe rather than continuously phasing it
lovin the content!! all these cars that i grew up with but never experienced!
Thanks man! And yeah me too! Getting to drive them now though is cool
Also another note, the stock seats on this car give you a surprisingly low seating position (much moreso than a contemporary Civic Si or RSX) and it's common to swap these 7th gen Celica seats into 6th gen Celicas.
Yeah it’s got a good driving position despite the lack of steering wheel adjustment
I know it's fashionable to assume that the backseat of a sports car is completely unusable, but the Celica actually has ample leg room and is perfectly reasonable for fitting extra passengers in the back for shorter trips. It also has an insane storage capacity with the rear seats folded down. I'd go as far as to say that it's easily the most practical proper sports car ever made.
Also, the engine can absolutely stay in lift after a shift if you rev it properly to the 8300 limiter.
The DC5 Integra has an equivalent amount of room to this. Same with 1 series coupe. And I believe it depends on the year and market. Our NZ new ones definitely don't go to 8300 and the lift come in at like 6200 I think so it's impossible to stay in lift in this example
love your videos
inspired me to buy 2 accords 😂
@@tamuwu haha good stuff man!
Down on power, sure, but means you can drive the pants off it without warp factor 9-ing yourself to death / prison. Of course, you still could, but you get my drift.
What a fun car! Give it another 10 years and it’ll be collectable.
Awesome vid, per usual bro!! Keep em rolling…
Thanks man! And yeah that’s true you can always be foot flat and not be going too fast
I have a 2001 Toyota Corolla runx z 2zzge it’s auto but god I love this car fast for what it is i love the lift i have plans for it but its stock atm
@@Saffa-v2 nice man!
Now go find one of the Fielder station wagons with exactly the same 2zz motor and 6spd manual.
I’ve had both and the Fielder is more fun purely for the sleeper factor
Yeah that would be fun!
FunFact; There were optional LSDs from factory, also there were versions with higher & lower redlines
Gearing & lightness on the Type R was superior, but the GTS was never a true competitor to the hand built Rs, unless we're talking Celica M Spec Toyota made them closer to mass production vehicles similar to the Si type even though that still benefits from hand machined powerplants, the 2ZZs never had any costly hand port matching, polishing & the like
Toyota's aspirations are less but it's still an amazing option to market that I believe beat the K20 to the punch with cam phasing & the intelligence aspect of the technology. The higher reving LSD model might be respected, but as with the K20, on American roads in particular you were better served just springing for something with a proper V6/I6, that's just to say I hope no reader gets the impression that I'm championing either of these 4Pots as the pinnacle of performance
lsd was not optional, was standard on the superstrut & sports m variant
@@arcanevoid9199 those are the optional variants lol, but yes Toyota did offer it as such
@@ChroniclesofKToyoda any proof? looking at the launch catalog from toyota with all the dealer options & equipment the lsd is nowhere to be found except mentioning its standard on the superstrut model
Shorter final drive and an LSD would really transform this car I reckon.
@@arcanevoid9199 read my comment again, I'm saying it was an option by choosing that variant, we aren't in disagreement, you're arguing semantics when I'm only saying LSD was on the table that's all
Toyota has valvematic continuously VVL (unlike VTEC) 1-11mm even in econoboxes, ZR FAE engine class and they're quite revvy too ~8k
Yes true that’s a good point
I like celicas, but i probably wouldn't give up my 2004 manual type s 7th gen cl9. Even when it's off the road, lmao. Great car though!
Yeah the Accord is definitely a “nicer” car
Nisaan VVL. Works the same as VTEC. I had a Nissan Pulsar VZR Autech.
SR16VE, reminded me of my CL1 Euro R, just no where near as quick haha 😅
@@lukequin.2908 yeah I gotta drive one now I’ve learned about these
@@KiwiCarLife they are fun little pocket rockets :) miss mine a lot.
need to see you drive a fiesta st!!
It’s coming! I’ve filmed a mk3 already
this video is hella sigma, i never knew that toyota had this
Video can't be sigma. Sigma is just another name for Mitsubishi Galant on different markets.
Haha gottem
seen this car, lives near me. I have one too
Haha nice!
I think they already got Lcd.
Such a good car I had one.
@@mohammedalabdullah3702 nice man! No Lsd in this one but some of the highest performance ones had an Lsd
That center pocket is as flimsey as you said and my one snapped off half a year ago lol
HAHA yeah it’s not great, the rest of the interior is a bit better though
The ZZ2 in the Elise models had an extra 1000rpm to work with so it could easily stay in the power band. I think they had a deal with Toyota to keep theirs dialed back so they couldn't compete as if an expensive MR toy and an economy FF car were being shortlisted together by people looking for their next sports car. The lift point and fuel cutoff changes depending on the year. I think '02 was the worst of them all. Mine was a '00 and it engaged lift at 6000rpm flat and nearly went to 8500rpm which gave it near continuous lift under full acceleration. If I find another in good shape I'm saving up for a Haltech to give it the full 9000rpm
@@zubiddydoodoopop hmmmm that’s a good point. Yeah this one was a 2002 and only went to 8200 and lift was around 6200 so it could stay in lift from 2nd to 3rd but not 1st to 2nd
Elise only revved to 8500rpm, any more than that and you are risking damage on a stock 2zz
Please do a 2zz corolla sportivo next 🙏🙏
It’s basically the same though haha
I used to own a corolla sportivo, I think the lift starts at 6200rpm and redline at 8200rpm and some celica has 7800 rpm redline.
Also, as long as shfting from 1st to 2nd landed inside lift range, it can head to head with stock k20.
@@Golf7CS problem is there’s no way to keep it in lift. You can hear at the start I literally hit rev limiter and still dropped out of lift. The ratio is just too long
@@KiwiCarLife I agreed with you that in a normal situation, the lift should come before 6.2k or the redline goes further like lotus (iirc lotus redline at 8.6k) to stay in the power band. It needs some practice on aggresive and perfect timing shift to land just right in the lift zone.
@@Golf7CS it’s not possible though. If you spin the wheels then maybe but it doesn’t even have the power for that. I looked back at the raw footage and in the initial acceleration clip I shifted at 8200rpm, the revs then dropped to 5500rpm in 2nd. Lift is 6200. You can’t get it to stay in lift when changing into 2nd. Into 3rd though it drops to 6200 so you can from 2nd to 3rd.
@@KiwiCarLife I dont't know if anything to do with the car, but mine drops between 6000-6200 rpm when shift from 1st to 2nd. I also tried the 7th gen celica, the acceleration is not as hard/punchy as the corolla. I know it is kind of the same car but every same car is different. Just want to let you know it is capable of doing that.
Yeah man I love me my 7gen Celica 2ZZ
Good car
How does this compare with the 2zz swapped mr-s you drove? I know its not a like for like comparison but I'm very curious.
Oh well I mean aside from the engine they're totally different. MRS is much much more raw. Definitely not usable every day
I own an 03 celica but I will say if you shift fast enough before the limiter you can stay in lift.
Seems like different years have different lift engagement points. Because it is physically not possible. Unless you shift hard enough to spin the wheels, which in the dry is not possible, even hitting rev limiter at 8200, the revs drop back to like 5700
@@KiwiCarLife the 03-06 models had rpm lift set to 6200 the earlier models were set to 6000,mine revs up to 8250 and I shift just before that to hit lift all the time.
have these version of celicas gone up in value yet? they are now a collector car age
@@BeenQA hmmm they’re worth a bit more but not heaps. One like this one is probably a 8-10k car
Nissan had a vtec engine too. a 1.6L neo came in the pulsar
@@johnweir9197 yeah I learned that in the comments haha
Forgetting the SR20VE 😔
Yeah sorry I wasn’t aware of that engine. I guess it’s not as widely circulated as the Honda and 2zz engines
Most probably why lotus put a supercharger on this engine to compensate for the lag
Yeah that makes sense
Yo missing Nissan VVL .
Sr20ve and sr16ve
@@StaffPhones-p5w yeah didn’t know about them
Lower lip biting increases as far as rpm increases 😂 thats sign of vtec fan
You've already reviewed this car. It always concerned me its daily driveability because of seat comfort, and its burning oil issue.
2zzs don’t burn oil
Yeah from memory it’s more the 1ZZ that can burn oil? Either way the 2ZZ seems mostly reliable but isn’t bulletproof, especially the gearbox is a bit weak.
And yeah I think you could daily one no problem but there’s better cars out there that can still do high revving fun but with some creature comforts. Like a Euro R for instance
Dunno which one burns oil tbh 🙄 im not so familiar with toyota engines, i tought theres 1.8 and thats it, now i see theres two types of it. Thx for the info
@@GandhiBeatz yeah me neither tbh
@@GandhiBeatz 1zzfe burns oil because of lack of oil return holes on the piston, toyota doubled the amount in 2003 to fix this issue. however it can still happen if oil changes are neglected severely. 2zz doesn't burn oil unless there is something seriously wrong, only thing you will get with the 2zz is oil leaks or blow by from hard driving
This engine belongs in a MR2 Spyder
4:16 the fonts on the gauge cluster look hideous but thankfully, the facelifted Celicas from 2003 onwards came with a vastly more palatable and normal-looking font
Oh I thought it looks cool
So in Australia you get Cruise control. But UK I have leather seats and sunroof.?
@@lawncare-4u849 yeah the spec is all over the show round the world aye
sounds like this celica needs a reflash :D
celica ecus are all locked :/
Yeah if I could flash it I would!
The Subaru legacy 3.0r has the same thing as VTEC
AVLS is quite different where it only varies the lift on one cam lobe, more like VTEC-E to improve efficiency by creating a swirl effect in the combustion chamber. The 2ZZ and B, H, F and K series are the only engines to use two different size cam lobes all the time
Ummm Mitsubishi fto mivec? Nissan's Sr16/20ve head? Also they've got the Rb neo head.... what do you mean no others have done it before?
I've learned something new from the comments section of this video
Should i get one as my first car today?
Would recommend! Ideal first car
if only the supercharger kits were cheaper for them
How much do they cost?
Yeah that would transform this engine
Him: Theres nothing like vtec, Sr20ve am i a joke to you?
Yes I've learned after posting this that other japanese brands had a similar setup
Nice video man! I've got a Corolla XRS with the 2ZZ-GE and a good number of people can get the ECU reflashed to lower lift engagement. The R9K reflash/tune has my lift come in around 5800rpm, redline raised to 8600rpm and losing that torque dip between shifts definitely makes a difference. Although not officially timed...in my before and after, I'd reckon that the 0-60 is at least 0.5-0.7 seconds quicker 👍
ruclips.net/video/hy1enx9p7yU/видео.htmlsi=06MvGJD_17VIIXBW
Oh that’s exactly what this car needs!
Incorrect! Ever hear of MIVEC by Mitsubishi, or the Nissan VE engines. Variable lift ya'll. 🙂
I have a mean little MIVEC Mirage cup car that lives in the MIVEC.. just saying 😉
Yes I didn’t realise Mitsi did it too. A lot of other brands are continuously variable though. BMW’s valvetronic is an example of this. Not many engines besides Honda and 2ZZ where it switches from a small cam lobe to a big one.
This engine is also found in corolla ts i belive
Sure is
右ハンドルってことはイギリスかオーストラリアかな？
確かマニュアルエアコンは1ZZ-FEエンジン搭載のSS-Ⅰだったはず
New Zealand bro, definitely 2ZZ
When do we get another crv video!??
I’ve already reviewed basically every generation…
Looking at a 2000 SS2 Celica how would I maintain it?
@@WyattJp just like any other car. Regular oil changes and fix things as soon as they break
@@KiwiCarLife Okay thanks, also any idea what the SS2 Super Strut Package is?
@@WyattJpcomes with completely different front suspension, interior changes, sports abs, lsd, rear performance bar etc
@@arcanevoid9199 its good then? Rhd 4.5k 160xxx kms
@@WyattJp yes and no, the front suspension is very expensive to service/replace and there is almost no aftermarket for it. some of the oem parts are also discontinued. you can just replace it with the normal mcpherson suspension though, but its still quite alot of work. keep in mind that because of the age and kms it could definitely use new bushings, shocks, caliper rebuild, fuel filter etc etc
K is the way..
Yeah it’s definitely better tbh
Time for k swap build series honda fo life cuzz.
Monkey Wrench Racing do a Supercharger kit for it
@@user-ye5cg8he7q that would transform it!
The fielder z aero tourer and the runx z aero tourer also came with the 2zz
@@Ez-tk1xy yeah basically a corolla or RUNX
Why didn't you do a 0-100??! And the 1/4 mile 🤦🤦🤦
I did the 0-100 at the start, and where do you think I’m going to do a 1/4 mile on the public road? Rent out a drag strip just for this video?
@@KiwiCarLife go to Mexico my friend. 😏🤫
@@xconankunx4530 you paying for my flights?
@@KiwiCarLife bro, you haven't added the 0-100 for the celica. I've watched the whole damn video three times. Lol
@@xconankunx4530 its about 6.5 seconds or less depending on the car
No no it’s not Toyota vtec it is lift my friend lift!!!
@@jiomilopreacher3097 Toyota Vtec is what most people can understand
@@KiwiCarLife well explain to people it’s not vtec it’s lift !!!!! Baddest thing out there
The only thing "reliable" In the Lotus is that engine. Lotus means Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious
There’s so little in the way of features in them I’m not sure how they can be unreliable. There’s nothing to go wrong haha. The older ones weren’t great though, 70’s and 80’s
Surprised the engine didn't break down during this video, these VVT-i and VVTL-i 1.8 litre engines are known for being not that great in terms of reliability.. they also like to consume oil at a rather healthy pace.
I was looking at these Celicas but so far haven't bought one from all the horror stories of the engines blowing up before and slightly after 200tkm (~125000 miles?). They seem to work fine (apart from oil consumption) when driven "like a normal car", but as soon as you start pushing the engine hard at high rpms, they have a tendency to not last. I've heard it's especially catastrophic when you have the revs high during hard cornering.
they are great in terms of reliability, just a massive amount of misinformation on the internet but its the same with many platforms/engines. only the prefacelift 1zz has an oil consumption issue, this was fixed in 2003 but can still be an issue if you neglect oil changes (you shouldn't). and its not about having the revs high, its about the cornering forces. the stock oiling system on these is not up to track use or very hard street use, and being at high rpm only makes it worse
the reliability isn't that bad. I have a corolla sportivo daily w the 2zz 6spd, 285,000ks and gets revved to redline at least 7-10 times a week.
It’s funny aye when Toyota engines have reliability issues it’s “misinformation on the internet” but if it’s a BMW engine that’s generally quite reliable it’s “oh classic BMW plastic piles of garbage so unreliable blah blah”.
It is fairly common knowledge that the 2ZZ’s transmission is weak, they can burn oil (as with any high performance 4 cylinder when it gets to high k’s) and the VVTL-i solenoids can fail, among other things. They’re certainly not unreliable no… but they’re not bulletproof.
I drove a traded RunX from work for a week and the engine light came on multiple times because of the lift not engaging. And the owner himself admitted it needs to be topped up with oil even though he serviced it immaculately. At 120,000km!
@@KiwiCarLife you aren't wrong but I find with the 2zz the experience of each owner varies massively. and this is due to how the engine has been looked after, and people not doing their research. my 2zz didnt burn any oil even after 230,000kms, still on original solenoids. the lift didn't work on mine and didnt get any engine lights, was just a broken lift bolt. and it probably had a leaking timing cover, the leak eventually gets really bad but takes 20ish years to get there
@@arcanevoid9199 yeah you’re right it’s similar with any brand some owners think they’re awful others have no issues. Maybe I’ve just got lucky with my BMW’s? But I haven’t had any issues. 2ZZ overall isn’t horrendous though, few leaks and solenoids to replace ain’t bad especially at those k’s.
Doesn't this have a Helical LSD in it?
Nope unfortunately
only the rare superstrut model does (only sold in japan), this an nz new model
Yeah LSD on this one
Nah pass. I am saving for an MR2 SW20 than 8 gen Celica. I am not into FWD sportscar.
Have fun lift off oversteering HAHA nah fair they’re great cars
@@KiwiCarLife As if FWD did any better. If you get an understeer you will kiss the tree that will kill you.
@@Nyaonyx not if u know how to drive it. I've seen plenty of RWD hit trees to. Again inless u know how to drive
Yamaha
@@kingmarz3635 yep
Disagree, get a 1zz and you'll never have to replace the engine
Why would you buy the slow one that makes no sense
@@KiwiCarLife the gts is a failure that's why
@@theinfiniteone6958 not a failure at all, and most 1zz celicas burn oil (majority are prefacelift)
2zzge is a great reliable and robust engine with everything except pistons forged from factory. 1zzfe burn oil like crazy in 2000-2003 models
En el nurburgrin el celica 7g ya sea el 1zzfe o 2zzge desmuestra que es un deportivo para niñas no tiene ningun de los motores prestaciones solamente hacen ruido no destacan son lentos y el chasis es alto para ser deportivo nisiquiera viene con autoblocante es muy cutre y bastante problemático el motor 2zzge el coche da vergüenza es para niñas.
El mr2 mk3 al pesar menos tiene mas prestaciones con swap al 2zzge pero el motor es problematico,el mr2 mk3 realmente como rinde bien y es fiable con swap motor honda k20/k24.
El celica es una porquería muy cutre un deportivo para niñas.
Yes
sorry but the 2zzge engine is sh*t I had one terrible experience
Sorry you feel that way
@@KiwiCarLife lol wow thanks 😂