DIY dual heat pipe laptop mod. i7 4700MQ now 13C Cooler at 3.2Ghz all cores for 617 Cinebench R15
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- I add a second heat pipe to my laptop cooling system and get shocking temperature reduction on my i7 4700mq. Please excuse my excitement but with over 30°C headroom, watch as I push this Haswell mobile CPU to 3.2Ghz all 4 cores speed and it doesn't even break a sweat. The first half of the video is the DIY build. The second half is the results and benchmarks.
Timestamps:
Introduction to the plan and materials needed: 00:20
The plan 01:29
Preparing cooling system for upgrade 03: 55
Applying a base layer of thermal paste 06:30
Glueing down the second heat sink 08:40
Securing glued heatsink with clamps 09:10
Inspecting cured glue on upgraded heatsink 09:54
Sealing up fan compartment to prevent air escape 12:55
Reinstall the upgraded cooling system 14:30
Laptop turn on and impressions 15:55
New idle temperatures with dual heat pipes 17:24
Measuring temperature on the new heatpipe with a thermocouple 19:27
Throttlestop cpu 4 core speed increase 22:15
CPUz benchmarking 22:05
Cinebench r15 benchmark real time 25:30
Screenshot of cinebench BEFORE the mod 28:22
Screenshot of cinebench AFTER the mod 28:36
Things I used
What I used in the video:
- Used spare heat sink from a Fujitsu Esprimo laptop. Cost €5
- Thermal paste and thermal glue. Cost €6
- Kapton tape (not needed)
- 99% Isopropyl Alcohol and cotton buds. I had this in stock for my electronic hobby.
- Plastic clamps
- K type thermocouple fo test heat pipe heat transfer.
- CPUz Version 1.89.1 Bench/Stress test version 17.01.64
- Core temp for temperature measurement.
- Throttlestop version 8.70
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hey brother what's the best thermal glue we'd should get?
Thank you for doing it in english. It is incredible how many will use english title but speak in anything other than that
I agree with this lol, When I saw a title in English I was very happy but when I started the video it's indian Language. Still I appreciate their efforts for uploading some useful and life saver tips. Five Thumbs up
Since it tech vid.. you mean that country right 😆
I always smash a dislike when that happens 😅
This was really cool and something I have never thought of. Impressive results. Makes you wonder why it didn't have something like this when new. There was loads of space for two heat pipes
It came this way as I opted for the I5 CPU version when I bought this laptop 5 years ago. The I7 came at a huge premium when new and I couldn't justify it for my needs at the time.
Cost cuts, cost/performance ratio, call it how you want. Manufacturers are in business to earn money.
Congratulations, I know how frustrating it can be when your laptop keeps thermal throttling, well done.
undervolt it ,no more throttling
I am impressed with your Mod and video. you are my hero , i wish every laptop was like this when we get it origionally with 2 pipes
Wow thanks Brad. I got it easy I must confess, but I plan to make a video showing alternative solutions for adding heatpipes in much more constrained or complicated cases.
@@diyroby732 would love to see it
i'm itching to mod m laptop hahah
Great work. In 2019 I changed thermal paste and cleaned the fan of my then 8 year old w520. Paste was like dried clay. It was long overdue. It got temps and throttling down a lot. What I remember it had a separate heat pipe for the gpu as well. If people new why their once good laptops feels slower and slower they would get it cleaned and repasted.
I would like to point out that the new heat pipe being hotter means its not as effective as the other, because ita not transferring the heat to the fins. Its still seems to be working well, but if it were soldered, it would be as cool as the origin pipe.
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks
How to solder an heatpipe without exploding him?
All heat pipes can be soldered with lower temp solder. A lot of heatpipe heatsinks are soldered.
What's the limit temperature to heatpipes? I planing to solder two heatpipes together, using low temperature solder paste(138°C) and a oven or heatgun? What do you think is the best method?
Im not an expert on this, so take this all with a grain of salt. There should be online resources with more detailed information.
Great job man!! i was really glad to see someone do this and recently too!!
Inspired me to try the same on my laptop
Thanks Meta. Good luck with your project. Let me know if you need help.
Watched this a few times. Still amazes me the temp drop. I have a Razor Blade Pro 2014 that has dismal heatsinks on CPU side, which is a 4700HQ. GPU side doesnt break a sweat. Even overclocking it. CPU just ramps up like a jet engine under any load and hits 90s at 3.2GHZ usage when gaming. Will be trying your trick. Cheers.
24:10 "I didn't want the whole freaking sky above my head" 🤣🤣🤣 You need to post more videos with your amazing personality!
I want to give a big shout out, and thank you to you for your help. Our old Lenovo G510 was dead, and although we only wanted this older unit as a backup, following your tutorials: I upgraded the Ram from 6g to 16g, the old slow Seagate HD to the Crucial 480GB SSD, and the I5 processor to the I7 4700MQ, and installed Win10 Pro.
I was able to get the dual pipe heatsink off of eBay. My first install had the idle temps at 50c, so I modified the heatsink by clamping down the GPU heat pipe (our G510 doesn’t utilize a GPU cooler) to the CPU pipe area securely with the CPU pipe using thermal paste and thermal glue. PC runs screaming fast with idle temps on all 4 cores below 40C. Total mods cost in 2024 approximately $100 USD.
Awesome work Mezcal. I'm sure that was satisfying. This laptop is a beast and a sleeper.
This is so impressive, I could feel the excitement in your voice. Going to do the same for my overheating dell latitude.
Thank you for uploading this video, very informative,I myself do a lot of mods and I gotta say it feels good to see that there people who are actually doing this too
Thanks, Ferd. Modding/DIY is fun and it doesn't require spending much money :)
wow iam also modding my laptop and its idle at 52 with max 68 at max load, didn't know adding more heatsink is way much better in thermal management
I think you did a great job at minimum cost, very well done 🥇
Hey, thanks for the nice guide video. Resourceful.
To give extra fan speed just download TPFC 0.62 (ThinkPad Fan Controller).
I use TPFC on T440P (4700MQ + gt 730m) and now i could manually set fan speed at 4800 rpm, 1000 rpm higher than before.
With higher rpm i could do gaming with Turbo Boost ON (at 35 centigrade ambience temp), no throttling whatsoever and max temp was hovering around 87 centigrade.
I also changed the old thermalpaste with Kingping KPX.
One more thing, i peeled the plastic mesh on the back cover because it disrupts airflow on the cpu fan inlet.
Thanks Davied. Great job on your mods. Unfortunately, my laptop - Lenovo G510 - is not a thinkpad, so fan controller does not work. Haven't been able to find a fan control software for it.
Really good idea for a heatpipe mod and good adaptation to the constraints
This was extremely helpful thanks !!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤. I did a copper shim mod on my msi gp66 on gpu and cpu side and I’m seeing a big drop in temps. I use to thermal throttle instantly on cinebench but now it’s way better esp on gpu side but I’ve been searching to add heat pipes or do some more mods to get it even lower. Im going to make a video update and I’ll give you a shout out !
Very good.
Cheap white thermal paste has an advantage - it doesn't dry up and turn to garbage nearly as easily as high performance CPU paste. It is perhaps not the most ideal choice, but probably fairly close without access to better materials and techniques.
I think the most proper way would be to remove the fan and all plastics completely and use bismuth based solder to attach the extra heatpipe, but it's somewhat risky, as the heatpipes can rupture. Indium solder is less risky but it's difficult to purchase and very expensive.
A very cheap and durable choice can be to use thermal double sided tape on the bottom instead of white paste and thermal cement (glue) like you have on the top.
Thank you for showing your experiment pal! I've got a samsung np350xaa with a i58350U and MX110 both with a single narrow cooper pipe and I'll put another one
Imagine having PTM along with this. It would be insane!
Its not only that. Also change the thermal paste on your chips and make sure your thermal pads are still good and not falling apart. All of these things makes sure your laptop is kept cooled.
Great video! You could also use a cheap thermal pad to transfer heat from the 2 heat pipes directly to the case. This will only help with temperature under load though.
Thanks FF. Unfortunately, my case cover is in plastic :)
@@diyroby732 thanks for the heart and reply! Even if its plastic it should transfer some heat.
Sure. With my dual pipe mod, I haven't needed extra performance, so I did no further mods. Are you looking to mod your system?
@@diyroby732 fair point. Your temperatures we're amazing after the mod! I'm not planning on modding mine as it already has a dual heat pipe system and doesn't have any space to add a third. I'm just interested in how other people modified their laptops
That helps especially if you use a coolpad fan.
Incredible job, my man! I'm green with envy when my i5 9300h is idling at 46 😂 bless you for your work and hope you are alive and well!
I'm well, thanks for asking. Hope you are as well. I got good results, but that 9300h is a more modern beast and much more powerful. Take care
@@diyroby732 trust me it's a pain to deal with (I'm using a legion y540). Undervolted by -140, repasted with NT-H2, frequency clamped down to 3.7ghz => still gives me nearly 90C under load
The heat pipe system on that is pretty robust. You could try disabling turbo boost and/or pinning the cpu max clock a bit lower than 3.7. There will be a sweet spot frequency that will give you the best bang for the heat :)
Bro great project! I wish you luck
This is incredible and informative. Thanks and good job
Very, very well done. 👏
You've given us great ideas and directions.
Fantastic work.
This and Part 1 are great videos. Nice idea and well thought through. Thanks for talking through your thoughts as you worked.
I'm brainstorming ways to better cool mine. More so it runs cooler than faster, though both would be nice of course.
Thanks again! This is food for thought.
if u just want cooler you can look into undervolting and also turning turbo boost off but that might affect performance.
Thank you for sharing this with us! Greetings from Venezuela!
Greetings from Brazil!!! Very well done, I’m planning on doing that to my laptop!
I felt bad for this guy..
He is not entirely right nor entirely wrong.
Mostly comment read about thermal paste but non mentioned about principle of heat transfer.
what he do is possible,
however there is a several limitations related to thermal conductivity.
First lemme mentioned what he is wrong.
what he use is a thermal glue, it is mostly used to secure an electronic component to heatsink while able to perform a good heat transfer.
Soldering the two components is the best way to achieve high heat transfer rate, then followed by thermal paste, thermal pad, thermal glue and last thermal tape.
2nd, He didn't remove coating or oxide layer before glue it as this layer act as an heat insulation.
3rd, the oem heatpipe surface temperature is lower because it was able to remove heat better than those glued heatpipe thus related with my 1st and 2nd point.
I did it too, but my 2nd pipe is glued on my fan metal casing. I need to add fin in the future to improve it and next increase airflow.
I didn't gain temperature drop much only 1 degree in cpu stress, however, the temperature graph now different as it took more time to reach 80 degree compared before mod.
also there is a significant temperature drop for daily normal usage for works. before mod between 70-80 degree. after mod between 50-60 degree.
the limitations can be due to a few reasons,
the thermal conductivity of his thermal paste between cpu and heat spreader, better use the best one.
2nd, the contact surface area of heatpipe with heatspreader and heatpipe with heatsink fin.
3rd, the limit on the fin surface area contact with air and with heatpipe.
4th, the airflow able to be provided by fan.
5th, the air temperature.
I'm might not entirely right either but there you go, Im sharing my own experience.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Let me respond to your points but first mention that this modification has solved my throttling problelms and I can now run the cpu at speeds I could only dream of before. Almost like this huge problem never existed.
1. I applied a layer of thermal PASTE under the second heatpipe before using thermal GLUE to hold it down. Look again closely at the tube I used. This paste has over 4 times the conductivity of the glue even though, the glue alone is still a good cunductor.
2. Coating was not stripped off but we cant call it a total insulation layer because it you touch it you can feel the heat.
3. Maybe, you may be right.
What you didn't mention is the almost perfect cantact of both pipes side by side. It's a thermal paste sandwich and the 2nd heatpipe sucks heat from the first.
You are not getting significant heat reduction with your mod because the fan metal casing is slower than the fins at dissipating the heat compared to the radiator fins.
Take care
@@diyroby732 Yes, indeed. my solution stick it on fan plate is not an ideal solution however that is the only option for me since I don't extra space on the fins.
Assuming the manufacturer's original design (while not optimal) was close to adequate for normal use, then only a few extra watts of power are in need of dissipation which seemed quite achievable with this gentleman's approach. Sure it wasn't ideal, but it didn't need to be.
What a cool idea! The video's good, too, nice presentation! :)
Edit: just finished the video, and dang, those are amazing results!
Nice mod, found that video trying to find any tips about bending heatpipes.
Little tip: solder that is used in heatpipes is low temperature solder, heatpipes themselves can withstand up to 150C heat for 30min without deforming, to solder heatpipes low temperature solder is used, 138C, you have probably went a little bit overboard with heat.
Might get little bit better results filing that edge or just removing paint.
Also might try straighten/bend pipe to contact more of a heatsink, but these are just nuances, I'd assume you'd had tad better results doing so.
Next level would be soldering second pipe using paste and heating it up, oven would be best for temperature control, but overall skill required spikes quite a lot, compared to final result.And easy upgrade is using liquid metal between CPU and copper, but it have little flaw: liquid metal reacts with copper, very slowly. After a year or so replacement of liquid metal might be necessary, to completely stabilize liquid metal/copper plate it requires to repeat process about 2 times, so it's not maintenance free.
Thanks taith. Everything you just mentioned I thought about for weeks and this kept me from doing this mod until I said F it and just did it with what I had at hand. I am lucky it worked well enough for me to abandon any plans to perfect it. As for bending heat pipes, I am sure you will find this videoshocking and exciting ruclips.net/video/Kv_Zn8HB_NY/видео.html
@@diyroby732 it was rather bad bending made by him, collapsed heatpipe in many places, reducing overall conductivity. Flat heatpipes might be hard to bend in one direction causing chamber collapse, that is why there should be some minimal bending angle stencil or something.
Side note, radiator he used was completely inadequate for passive cooling, passive radiators are much bigger and spacing between find is ~5mm minimum.
I plan to get all my gear from AliExpress, low temperature thermal paste, very long flattened heatpipes, radiators might buy locally.
It's gonna be passively cooled desktop, top spec, calculating for 300w heat dissipation.
@@taith2 Ali is the best option, the video was just to show how bad it gets and still work. Goodluck on your project
This is way too awesome. Fantastic DIY solution.
Thank you very much!
Well done! Thanks for sharing this video and especialy for well explaining what you have done there!
The heatpipe that has the biggest delta temperature (difference) from start to end is the one that transfers more heat.
If you want to gain even more CInebench, run it in Realtime priority. The screen will go freeze while the test completes but its worth it, itll score maybe 50-100 extra points.
Wow, thanks. So that's how the big boys do it :)
If anyone wants to copy this, the way the factory solders the heat pipe onto the heatsink is using low temperature Sn42Bi58 solder. So best results will be obtained if you attach the heat pipe with the same kind of solder instead of glue.
Youre so sweet and nice. Thank you. I will look forward to doing this mod on my legion 5!
Great job, thank you! So small and cheap part in cooling system, but so useful.
You're welcome!
Very nice job ! Instructive .
Nice video .
Tuto for heatsink and throttlestop .
Working on it on my laptop .
Thx !!!!!
Thanks! Good video. Thinking of getting some of that thermal glue that hardens. Won't attract dust.
Nice results. I do think you'd have gained similar results just by swapping out your heatsink to the dGPU heatsink. It may have costed more but would have been less work.
Not bad man...also this video was super relaxing to watch and listen to lol. I'm wanting to do something like this for my alienware 17 R2.
Thanks Revo. Go for it, especially if you have the space inside the laptop.
man this is amazing, now i want do that in my laptop, thanks man 👍
Excellent, i'll do it my laptop too, thank you very much for share with us on youtube
Great DIY, Thanks for uploading.
Good work bro.
I've come back to this video multiple times to the effect that now when I search DIY in RUclips, this will be one of the auto-recommendations. I have two questions:
1. It's been a few years now, how has this project held up?
2. Have you ever tried this on GPU?
Hi, this mod worked until the day I upgraded my laptop to the AMD Huawei Matebook 14 - 2 years ago . I was tired of the bad battery performance and constant fan noise that never went away. I wanted something more portable that will last more than 1.5 hours while I'm out working. It did serve me well until the end and I still keep it for when I need to work with the CD/DVD drive.
Mine doesn't have a GPU.
I would rather use some low melting point paste for that , and used some sandpaper to remove that insulating black painting, that would have been more efficient and durable
Good information, thanks for uploading this video 👍
amazing video man. thanks for sharing . Great job!!!
Congratulations, I really like your work :)
I bet just getting the heatsink assembly from the dGPU model and putting it in your's would give even better results
One came on the market after I did this mod but I noticed just before I bought it that the fan connector was going to block the heatpipe to the dgpu. Huge bummer, as I wanted to get it and test the performance difference :(
Great idea, but I think it would have worked better if you scratched of the paint before glueing it to place.
Great point! I wanted to do the laziest method and see the results. My plan was to so a clean solder job it I saw potential. I never needed to in the end. just gluing the heat pipe this way was more than enough for my requirements.
nice video man ,,,, i hope i will find a second heat sink that fit in my laptop and try it out
Good luck!
@@diyroby732 thanks bro
Fantastic! This was so great! I love it!
Now I wonder if I can find a way to cool my machine a little better. ^^
Hey,
Thanks for talking in english u helped me
Also i will do this on my laptop and i bought an new fan that runs more rpm and is quite, also made an hole underneath the fan and added an filter so my fan has more intake,
I have an Nvidia gpu so it's powerfull and hot and my gpu shares the same fan
My Gpu is near my DVD so i removed the DVD and i added there an fan from an old laptop,
Now my cou had 2 pipes and my gpu has it's own fan
Gtav playing: 46 degrees to 50 cpu and gpu 53 to 56
I am super happy my hpu never been under 70 now im super super HAPPY
Time esimated : 2 days working on it
Congrats GT. Nice results
can you make a video about it?
i really wanna see it
Awesome mod , i can't wait to try this on my laptop . Have you try adding liquid metal for additional cooling
Cool video, thnx. Got me thinking about applying something like this to my Lenovo x230 laptops. No clue why they run so hot
Bro, you really did perfect here, you got the maximum result with little effort, congratulations!
Personally i own a Dell Latitude 5290 2 in 1 and i would really like to make such a mod on my device! Being it precisely a 2 in 1, i think i have little room for action. What do you think about? Could you give me some advice on this please?
It’s not the cleanest job but man it works good for u
Very good video, very informative and useful.
Nice work and a great video
The way just throw second heat pipe and it fit without too much mod make me think that original design of that cooler is using 2 heat pipe but the manufacture said "lets make it few buck cheaper by just adding 1 heatpipe so they will buying laptop again anytime soon due to thermal damage" 😅😅
Yep, this was an i5, the i7 model had dual heatpipes.
This is on another level..
Bro you are genius 👍👍👍❤🤔
Imagine if you used proprr thermal glue like thermopox
I got excited with you too XD
Genius.
Very good job dude 👍
I like to overkill things, my idea is to extend it outside the laptop and even more cooling :D
Have you done it? Because I have the same idea but still can't figure it out how..
My idea is if we can make a knock down extended heatpipe outside the laptop and put CPU tower cooler on that
This content is amazing
bro is a menance to laptop manufacturers, they soon are gonna go bankrupt cuz this guy can make better cooling than them. (i also want to do a similar mod sometime later)
Thanks you
pretty nice. you did great
Thanks Famer...
Ya se que tal vez ya lo pensaste, ya paso la prueba con pasta térmica, creo que es factible soldar todo el conjunto y asi tener un equipo muy bien refrigerado por siempre! O hasta que remplaces tu equipo.
I know that maybe you already thought about it, I already passed the test with thermal paste, I think it is feasible to weld the whole set and thus have a very well-cooled equipment forever! Or until you replace your equipment
Thanks for your comments MV. My plan was to test this mod using paste first, then to solder it together. When I saw how well the paste worked, I lost motivation to solder. Many people have given me this suggestion, so once I have some time, I will try soldering the pipes.
I can't believe just putting a second pipe would make the temperature so lower.
I just wonder if the fan would be enough to blow the heat if the processor is used further, though.
It will eventually overload this system. The main benefit is that we now have a bigger cup(thermal capacity) to pour the beer (heat) without overflow till later on :)
So satisfying to watch :-)
Thanks Marcin. It was a shocking experience for me. Will soon do an update on this.
@@diyroby732 Liquid metal will be the next step! :-)
Seriously that would be cool to see ! Please do!
Won't be taking that road, as I don't need any further improvement and don't want to spend money on this old laptop. Here is someone who did the liquid metal mod though ruclips.net/video/GJ5riTGMWcM/видео.html
I dont have thermal glue . Is it ok if i use mixture of thermal past and regular glue ?
Very cool
My T440p (i7 4700mq+730m) was throttling quite badly in CSGO with super low settings.
I knew this after i installed afterburner to monitor my hardware. GPU and CPU maxed out at 89 centigrade and then followed by immediate throttling.
I was thinking gt 730 was too weak to run the games, but hey it turns out temperature problem.
Thanks for your ideas to put extra heatpipe or metal on the stock cooler.
Good stuff
frickin awesome!
well done dude
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Very cool, i want to know what glue you are using? Thanks
I didn't have a heat pipe but I istalled a slim GPU heatsink ditectly on top of my cpu on my Asus BBK4. The temp never exceeded 40°C 🙃
unintentional asmr
Wouldn’t the glue obstruct the heat pipe? Try using some high quality heat tape instead.
Not in this case. The pipes job is to get hot on the cpu end, transfer the heat to the fins that are always cooler then itself and discharge the heat there. It's working well.
great!!
Nice work
Even you were surprised how much the temperature dropped 😂
lol. Yeah. I was not expecting this cheap dirty job to be so effective. The 2 heatpipes are still each pulling out almost equal temperatures now, after more than a year.
Dont add to much thermal glue, its make heat transfer become more slow
Easily you can get close to a 3770K at stock with this beast.
Connect two heat pipe with thermal paste and dont let them touch directly and sand test ill it transfer heat or not 😋
Nice
my concern is the battery you should remove it first before operating with your board..
Good Job !
i will be doing this to my asus vivobook 2021 (mx350, i3 1115g4) This i3 is a huge power and termal bottleneck while gaming.
Yeah, I've seen the thin shameful heatpipe in that laptop. Shows you the state of the industry when you have to mod a 2021 laptop in 2021.
@@diyroby732 it has one heat pipe 1mm thick