Hi, may I ask how you wired the keyboard in. It's just that I can't see how I would power the unit if the keyboard isn't battery operated? I don't use a DAW as I prefer hardware. Thanks for the video
The USB connection was providing power and midi control routed from the keyboard via a DAW (this arrangement causing the annoying USB high pitched noise you can hear in this vid). I now have the keyboard hooked in via the din midi in (with a normal midi cable) and USB power via an external usb psi and the noise has gone.
It uses USB-C and it works fine from any normal USB power adapter I have tried it with (I use it with a power adaptor and the midi DIN in to avoid any issues with USB noise like I had in this video). You can also use a USB power bank for more portability.
Very early days yet but initial thoughts are it’ll fill a hole between my full fat analogues, where you want a different texture only hybrid can provide… need to get used to the paraphonic action though, takes a bit of getting your head round the voicing. Want to see how much tweaking you can do when making your own patches before I give a full verdict. Hard to go wrong for the price though - analogue filter, 16 oscillators, 4 voices quasi-polyphonic, chorus… even if you only use it for a few sounds it’s still worth it given how small it is too.
Yes it really is an awesome synth, very deceptive given the size and price. I think I could do a whole album with this thing alone (if I could handle all the multitracking haha)
I also have sausage fingers and dodgy eyes 😄and the are totally usable, if a bit fiddly. I absolutely would be tempted to use an external midi controller for a proper live jam though. Yes, most parameters respond to midi CCs (thought not the mix envelope controls at present, I'm hoping that will change). But yes, you can use an external midi controller for cutoff, resonance, chorus controls, LFO parameters, amp and filter envelopes, oscillator tunings etc
I’m not sure but I don’t think so. I’ll check next time I’m in the studio! It does recognise velocity and responds accordingly but I switched off velocity sensitivity on my keyboard to make the playing a bit more consistent when knocking out lots of patches in a row.
Great demo! Question. DIN for midikeyboard and usb-C for power. . .how do you get the sound out? To an amp for live or to record in a daw. I don't see in specs any other way to get the sound out 😮😮
Hi! With more budget does a wave table synth from Modal or Arturia (or Korg, or Hydrasynth) would be « way » better or does the VS mini could be as good?
I think it’s a misunderstanding from people on how it works - the joystick signal resets to centre with each new note so you’ll only notice it’s manual use on a long sustained note really (this was also how it was on the original Prophet VS from what I hear). If you want specific joystick movements as part of the patch you use the mix envelope controls. Might be nice to have an option to override that functionality in a future update I agree. Might try and do a video looking at these and other functions might be a bit confused about because it does take a bit of getting used to.
@@witchdoctorwise Thanks for the explanation. I was under the impression that I could leave the joystick in one of the cardinal points, and the opposite point would be silenced. I realise now that I have to keep moving the joystick to get that effect.
It has a lot of cc controls but there are a few missing from the list in the manual - including the oscillator mix envelope. I’m hoping they add everything as it would help make a proper editor. Can you select different cc outputs from the wind synth? The pro-vs has cc controls for the filter, lfo, envelopes, waveform etc
@@witchdoctorwise yes the Roland AE-30 has a mod matrix for external MIDI CCs and it has a bunch of real-time controls feeding that matrix. Success depends on being able to get round the synth's envelope (via aftertouch or real-time filter cutoff) and whether the synth handles legato properly.
What, you got one already? I ordered mine from Thomann as soon it was up, but it looks like 2 more weeks.. and I thought Thomann was like official reseller :/
The official UK reseller Andertons got it first this time for some reason (with the Pro-800 I was on the other side of this fence as Thomann got it first :) )
@@witchdoctorwise Thanks for the reply. I was hoping to use it with a mini keyboard I have (Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol) but that only has a USB connection. So that option is not on the cards, I reckon.
@@berniarmstrong I believe Behringer are planning to release a cheap converter that allows use of USB midi from a standalone keyboard (such devices do exist already but cost a little bit)
I connected it via my computer (USB-C from computer, routed from USB external keyboard in my DAW) but I could have connected it directly via the MIDI in. I’d like to use the din MIDI in future to isolate and remove the digital noise you tend to get with USB direct from computer (that you can hear in the background of this recording unfortunately).
@@Civilian2.0 it all works really well! I used an external usb psu today and the din midi in and all of the digital noise is gone, sounds really clean and nice. Enjoy!
Yes, I have had this with other usb powered synths before like the Nymphes when powering via the computer. I am going to use a separate USB supply when I get the chance and I’m certain it will stop this by the next vid.
@@macola467 maybe I’ll look into it. It’s my setup though, it does with all my usb synths if plugged into the computer. Maybe because I have a USB soundcard? Probably wouldn’t be a problem in many peoples setups.
This was a bit of an unknown before release but it’s actually half and half which is unusual - the amp envelopes are fully polyphonic but the filter envelope is paraphonic (it either plays once until all keys are released or retriggers with each extra key press depending on how you set it). This is actually a lot more playable than full paraphonic (all voices sharing one amp envelope) in my view given the complex oscillator sound anyway so the filter isn’t the be all and end all. Obviously a full filter envelope per voice would be even better but for the price that might be a bit unrealistic (would need four filter circuits rather than one)
I'll be honest, behringer is about the only brand I plan to buy a synth from. As a guitarist, I'd like a synth, but I don't need one. Behringer is perfect for that niche, in my opinion at least. As long as I can pretend to be Rick Wright and play something from dsotm, why buy a 16k synth i don't even understand? That's why I like behringer. Reverence to the old school with decent prices and modern ease of use.
Honestly, the sound of the patches alone (without any dive into its control capabilities) remind me of the old cheap Casio and Yamaha consumer keyboards sold at Radio Shack and Sears.
Gonna have to hard disagree on that personally 😮 presets are never best way to experience a synth but my next vid is going to look at some patches of my own I agree it can do a lot more
It is bad in this vid because of my setup (I rushed this vid when I first got it). However the noise goes completely when I use an external usb power source rather than powering from my computer.
I’m not too familiar with the original but I’m sure it is no replacement given the huge difference in specs. More of a mini tribute. Seems well worth it in its own right though, for that kind of 80s-ish hybrid sound in a tiny package.
I'll keep my Arturia Prophet vst and go with that. Sorry but this is like a cheap home keyboard that was made in the 90s. I have my suspicions that thomann are going around asking why nobody is buying this.
They have updated it since this and the new oscillator modes are closer from what I gather (it certainly sounds a lot better, though I think it sounded decent to start with). I'm not saying it sounds identical but it certainly sounds really good now.
It’s an under $100 Synth. Worth every dollar and has lots of sonic capabilities. Did anyone really think it was going to sound like the Original, jeese get a life!
Running through presets doesn’t really showcase anything about the capabilities of this little synth, not compared to the official demos they released. The fact that you put “I think” at the end shows you’re also uncertain. I’m on the fence, but plenty more mini synths coming, CS next I think.
No I agree this was just supposed to be a very quick look through the presets for the curious rather than a comprehensive representation of what the synth is capable of - hoping to have a deeper dive asap. Having more of a play today and it seems like loads of sound creation possibilities under the hood.
@@darkteckno The way it operates it is not an issue, because its action is reset when pressing a note, and so even if it falls dow. If you dont touch it, the joystick has no contribution. If you use it you hold it and so it is were you want it to be, I suggest to read the prophet manual to learn more about the operation.
I get where you’re coming from but at the end of the day - it’s nearly 40 year old technology that isn’t available new anywhere else, Dave Smith is sadly no longer with us, Sequential is now part of a big music tech conglomerate and this is never going to be a replacement for a real Prophet VS anyway - I see it as more an accessible little tribute…
I'm now doing it via the DIN midi in on the top right of the front panel. You can also connect via the USB-C if doing via a computer (or you have an external USB host) as I am in this video though I had digital ground loop issues causing a bit of digital noise when doing this (powering and midi both through USB from my computer). The noise disappeared when using DIN midi in and powering from an external USB power supply (this is an issue with my setup).
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On preset 8, I instantly started singing, "Here comes Jonny singing oldies goldies, Be-Bop-A-Lula Baby What I Say".
The chorus & filter sound nice. For the price of a soft synth (or less). Amazing.
Agreed!
how is it a software synth?
Excellent run through, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
thanks for giving us these in their raw form without swathes of reverb
Haha yes thought I’d just start off pretty raw. This thing does benefit from a nice bit of verb though (as do most synths to be fair I guess!)
Fantastic demo - thanks for sharing! Keep up the good work!!
Many thanks!
Thanks for the patch presentation. Great!
Glad you like it!
Cool little box must be said, and a bargain too!
Just beautiful. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks so much for your helpful video!
Hi, may I ask how you wired the keyboard in. It's just that I can't see how I would power the unit if the keyboard isn't battery operated? I don't use a DAW as I prefer hardware. Thanks for the video
The USB connection was providing power and midi control routed from the keyboard via a DAW (this arrangement causing the annoying USB high pitched noise you can hear in this vid). I now have the keyboard hooked in via the din midi in (with a normal midi cable) and USB power via an external usb psi and the noise has gone.
Anyone know what power it takes??? The manual is not obvious. I want to use a power adapter, not computer. Thanks 🙏
It uses USB-C and it works fine from any normal USB power adapter I have tried it with (I use it with a power adaptor and the midi DIN in to avoid any issues with USB noise like I had in this video). You can also use a USB power bank for more portability.
Not bad for the price, it’s impressive. At least it kicks the butt of volca keys and Roland Aira J6 for sure in that price range.
Thanks for the video ! What do you feel about the little synth, as I like your creations, do you like it, and can use it ? Cheers🍻
Very early days yet but initial thoughts are it’ll fill a hole between my full fat analogues, where you want a different texture only hybrid can provide… need to get used to the paraphonic action though, takes a bit of getting your head round the voicing. Want to see how much tweaking you can do when making your own patches before I give a full verdict. Hard to go wrong for the price though - analogue filter, 16 oscillators, 4 voices quasi-polyphonic, chorus… even if you only use it for a few sounds it’s still worth it given how small it is too.
hello, how many user presets can we store ?
32 (but you have to save over the one already in there)
Still trying to wrap my head around how this thing can pack so much functionality at that price point.
For $99 you CAN’T go wrong with this thing. It was a no-brainer for me. Now I’m waiting for them to be back in stock so it ships.
is there a signal input so I can use the filter and chorus in other synths?
Sadly not! There probably wasn’t much spare room in the case to be fair. Would have been nice though.
How powerful that sounds...I'm very interested.
Yes it really is an awesome synth, very deceptive given the size and price. I think I could do a whole album with this thing alone (if I could handle all the multitracking haha)
those knobs are insanely small for my sausage fingers and middle aged eyesight. Could I control the parameters via a keyboard controller?
I also have sausage fingers and dodgy eyes 😄and the are totally usable, if a bit fiddly. I absolutely would be tempted to use an external midi controller for a proper live jam though. Yes, most parameters respond to midi CCs (thought not the mix envelope controls at present, I'm hoping that will change). But yes, you can use an external midi controller for cutoff, resonance, chorus controls, LFO parameters, amp and filter envelopes, oscillator tunings etc
the 1/8 jack screeching is pretty dreaded, any way to get rid of it? a balanced cable?
Does it recognise Aftertouch?
I’m not sure but I don’t think so. I’ll check next time I’m in the studio! It does recognise velocity and responds accordingly but I switched off velocity sensitivity on my keyboard to make the playing a bit more consistent when knocking out lots of patches in a row.
lol
Great demo! Question. DIN for midikeyboard and usb-C for power. . .how do you get the sound out? To an amp for live or to record in a daw. I don't see in specs any other way to get the sound out 😮😮
Headphone jack
@@blakeh946 thank you!
Is it stereo out?
Hi! With more budget does a wave table synth from Modal or Arturia (or Korg, or Hydrasynth) would be « way » better or does the VS mini could be as good?
Looking at you Sweetwater. Please get these in. UK has them now....
Yes Andertons got them first this time!
Some people gave reported problems with the vector joystick. Does it work as it should? Would love a demo of that before buying into it.
I think it’s a misunderstanding from people on how it works - the joystick signal resets to centre with each new note so you’ll only notice it’s manual use on a long sustained note really (this was also how it was on the original Prophet VS from what I hear). If you want specific joystick movements as part of the patch you use the mix envelope controls. Might be nice to have an option to override that functionality in a future update I agree.
Might try and do a video looking at these and other functions might be a bit confused about because it does take a bit of getting used to.
@@witchdoctorwiseThanks for the quick response and clearing up a misunderstanding 🌞
@@witchdoctorwise Thanks for the explanation. I was under the impression that I could leave the joystick in one of the cardinal points, and the opposite point would be silenced. I realise now that I have to keep moving the joystick to get that effect.
It's the CC controls that interest me. I'm wondering if it would be controllable from my Roland AE-30 wind synth.
It has a lot of cc controls but there are a few missing from the list in the manual - including the oscillator mix envelope. I’m hoping they add everything as it would help make a proper editor.
Can you select different cc outputs from the wind synth? The pro-vs has cc controls for the filter, lfo, envelopes, waveform etc
@@witchdoctorwise yes the Roland AE-30 has a mod matrix for external MIDI CCs and it has a bunch of real-time controls feeding that matrix. Success depends on being able to get round the synth's envelope (via aftertouch or real-time filter cutoff) and whether the synth handles legato properly.
Ah, sounds like a great fun bit of kit. Not sure if the Pro-VS will do what you want as not fully familiar with its capabilities beneath the hood yet.
Hi, can this play 90s house piano sounds? I saw a video a while back, but can't remember now. Cheers
Thanks i needed
Glad it was useful!
Hello, how did you connect with midi keyboard without midi?
This behringer is a plug impulse without daw?Witch midi or usb cable
What, you got one already? I ordered mine from Thomann as soon it was up, but it looks like 2 more weeks.. and I thought Thomann was like official reseller :/
The official UK reseller Andertons got it first this time for some reason (with the Pro-800 I was on the other side of this fence as Thomann got it first :) )
Plucks, we need plucks! 😎
Will look into it
There were enough plucks.
Pads, we need pads! 😛
@@RayyMusik yes, more pads
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How do you play it on a keyboard? What's the trick?
Connect it to computer and use USB-C Midi
Did you simply just connect your keyboard to the VS Pro using a USB to USB C cable? Or was there a PC or a Tablet involved?
I routed it via my computer in this case. You can plug straight in from the keyboard via the din midi input though.
@@witchdoctorwise Thanks for the reply. I was hoping to use it with a mini keyboard I have (Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol) but that only has a USB connection. So that option is not on the cards, I reckon.
@@berniarmstrong I believe Behringer are planning to release a cheap converter that allows use of USB midi from a standalone keyboard (such devices do exist already but cost a little bit)
@@witchdoctorwiseFingers crossed then
Does it have an editor?
No but it’d be great to have one. I’ve made one in Cubase using the ccs available in the manual but that isn’t a very comprehensive list yet
How did you connect the external keyboard? With the USB-C cable?
I connected it via my computer (USB-C from computer, routed from USB external keyboard in my DAW) but I could have connected it directly via the MIDI in. I’d like to use the din MIDI in future to isolate and remove the digital noise you tend to get with USB direct from computer (that you can hear in the background of this recording unfortunately).
@@witchdoctorwise Thanks for replying, sounds great to me! Hopefully I can get this to work when my unit turns up.
@@Civilian2.0 it all works really well! I used an external usb psu today and the din midi in and all of the digital noise is gone, sounds really clean and nice. Enjoy!
How did you connect it to the midi keyboard?
How did you connect your keyboard without using the midi?
@@pellikan64 usb
USB noise is unfortunate..otherwise great little synth :)
Yes, I have had this with other usb powered synths before like the Nymphes when powering via the computer. I am going to use a separate USB supply when I get the chance and I’m certain it will stop this by the next vid.
Update : just trying an external usb psu and all the noise is gone
Ooh kept me updated regarding keyboard connection I guess it will have to be the midi jack?
would ferrite cable help?
@@macola467 maybe I’ll look into it. It’s my setup though, it does with all my usb synths if plugged into the computer. Maybe because I have a USB soundcard? Probably wouldn’t be a problem in many peoples setups.
¿how many patches you can save in the memory?.... Only 32?
is your usb midi keyboard plugged directly into Pro vs usb in?
@@badchihuahuamusic7031 no it’s routed via the DAW on my computer but it could be
@@witchdoctorwise hmmm ok thx
Is it polyphonic or paraphonic
This was a bit of an unknown before release but it’s actually half and half which is unusual - the amp envelopes are fully polyphonic but the filter envelope is paraphonic (it either plays once until all keys are released or retriggers with each extra key press depending on how you set it). This is actually a lot more playable than full paraphonic (all voices sharing one amp envelope) in my view given the complex oscillator sound anyway so the filter isn’t the be all and end all. Obviously a full filter envelope per voice would be even better but for the price that might be a bit unrealistic (would need four filter circuits rather than one)
I'll be honest, behringer is about the only brand I plan to buy a synth from. As a guitarist, I'd like a synth, but I don't need one. Behringer is perfect for that niche, in my opinion at least. As long as I can pretend to be Rick Wright and play something from dsotm, why buy a 16k synth i don't even understand? That's why I like behringer. Reverence to the old school with decent prices and modern ease of use.
am i the only one why thinks of the water level in Mario 64 @5.10 ? no ?
Not played it but will have a look!
rice crispies giveaway...?
😂
It’s small enough
Honestly, the sound of the patches alone (without any dive into its control capabilities) remind me of the old cheap Casio and Yamaha consumer keyboards sold at Radio Shack and Sears.
Gonna have to hard disagree on that personally 😮 presets are never best way to experience a synth but my next vid is going to look at some patches of my own I agree it can do a lot more
i was thinkin g this
The really bad usb noise it makes is a bummer
It is bad in this vid because of my setup (I rushed this vid when I first got it). However the noise goes completely when I use an external usb power source rather than powering from my computer.
It so casio 101 )))
Did you check your tremor? 🥺
nice vid btw
I have minor nerve damage in my hands sadly. I’m never going to be a concert pianist let’s put it that way
@@witchdoctorwise I thought it was an excellent video anyway....you did great...
Sir, are you okay? You’re shaking
Looks and sounds like a toy. Priced like one too.
Not a fan, but not because of you, thanks for sharing
I dont go x even at that price
But how would this stand up against the real thing, the Prophet-VS? From what I’m hearing, I’m thinking not so much…
I’m not too familiar with the original but I’m sure it is no replacement given the huge difference in specs. More of a mini tribute. Seems well worth it in its own right though, for that kind of 80s-ish hybrid sound in a tiny package.
Sounds like it was re-amped in a bathroom.
I'll keep my Arturia Prophet vst and go with that.
Sorry but this is like a cheap home keyboard that was made in the 90s.
I have my suspicions that thomann are going around asking why nobody is buying this.
Presets aren’t much cop I’ll give you that. It’s a great little synth though. They’ve updated the sound since this vid and there are cleaner modes.
Unfortunately it sound’s nothing like the original. This was going to be a buy for me when I first heard about it. Now it’s a pass
They have updated it since this and the new oscillator modes are closer from what I gather (it certainly sounds a lot better, though I think it sounded decent to start with). I'm not saying it sounds identical but it certainly sounds really good now.
Good. More for me.
It’s an under $100 Synth. Worth every dollar and has lots of sonic capabilities. Did anyone really think it was going to sound like the Original, jeese get a life!
LOL
@@floyd101954😂👌🏼
Running through presets doesn’t really showcase anything about the capabilities of this little synth, not compared to the official demos they released. The fact that you put “I think” at the end shows you’re also uncertain. I’m on the fence, but plenty more mini synths coming, CS next I think.
No I agree this was just supposed to be a very quick look through the presets for the curious rather than a comprehensive representation of what the synth is capable of - hoping to have a deeper dive asap. Having more of a play today and it seems like loads of sound creation possibilities under the hood.
Joystick is awful
I own an original unit as well, and function is similar, perfectly fine for me
@@music-ic6tg it flops down when the unit is at an angle too?
@@darkteckno The way it operates it is not an issue, because its action is reset when pressing a note, and so even if it falls dow. If you dont touch it, the joystick has no contribution. If you use it you hold it and so it is were you want it to be, I suggest to read the prophet manual to learn more about the operation.
Haven’t really used it yet to be honest as this was my first go but I’ll have a good try with the stick next time and see if I agree ;)
@@witchdoctorwiseI mean the main point of a Vector is the joystick, that's the main draw of this unit and you literally didn't touch it lol
You smoke too much bro
Thieves
I get where you’re coming from but at the end of the day - it’s nearly 40 year old technology that isn’t available new anywhere else, Dave Smith is sadly no longer with us, Sequential is now part of a big music tech conglomerate and this is never going to be a replacement for a real Prophet VS anyway - I see it as more an accessible little tribute…
How did you connect the Keyboard to the Behringer?
I'm now doing it via the DIN midi in on the top right of the front panel. You can also connect via the USB-C if doing via a computer (or you have an external USB host) as I am in this video though I had digital ground loop issues causing a bit of digital noise when doing this (powering and midi both through USB from my computer). The noise disappeared when using DIN midi in and powering from an external USB power supply (this is an issue with my setup).