Sunak's New Plan to Ban Protests: The Public Order Bill
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In a further crackdown on disruptive protests, the government are trying to pass new legislation that reintroduces controversial laws that were previously blocked by Parliament. So what is actually in the Public Order Bill? And how likely is it to pass?
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the fact that a government with a 20% approval rating is trying to ban protests is just hilarious... and terrifying
Just a revolution folks. It's easy. Not just the elected officials but their supporting infrastructure.
What scares me is that 20% of people support these literal corporate authoritarians.
And to be expected. Look at who this party is in bed with, who is boosting their message, and funding them. They want it like the US and Russia.
Its based!!! I cant believe it ! Yes !! Finally were moving to a dictatorship!!! Yessss
"The beatings will continue until morale improves"
If they want to limit the impact of protests, maybe they should consider doing a better job of running the country instead of busily lining their pockets. Protests are a last resort when the government fails to act, and bills like this are a clear sign they are failing.
By making something illegal, you instantly make it more likely to occur, making it illegal simply makes it easier to demonise the participants, though the UK right wing media (namely the Telegraph, Daily Mail, Daily Express) already do that pretty well without such laws
Sure so propose a new law which would have universal approval, which isn't already on the books?
Oh right people disagree about just about everything.
They can't do a better job. To much things to understand for so few brains, brains that are often from the same class. A class that don't know what working really means. To much powers in so few hands. You need to demand a better sharing of economic AND political power.
Protests are the first resort
Sounds quite logical, but sadly we don’t agree on nearly anything in this world. If the government does something that 95% of people agree with, but the other 5% don’t and start protesting, what are they going to do? Listen to the protesters and disappoint the other 95% of people? Cause that surely would just bring more unrest…
Ironically this is gonna create more protests and unrest.
No it isn't. Population are sheep.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 cringe.
Yup.
Almost as if they want it.
The next government needs to repeal this monstrosity, or they'll be dealing with the consequences too.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 I haven't protested for decades.
Will be now.
And I doubt I'm alone.
@@geroffmilan3328 The government will probably find ways to hurt you and your family.
“Protest related offences” sounds like something you’d hear from China or Russia
Sounds like something you'd hear about China or Russia from the media of the "peacekeepers" who had 60 years of non-stop foreign wars.
British people watching a British thing happen in Britain, Britishly: "What are we, a bunch of ASIANS?!"
@@hotelmario510 Hey man drop the racist rhetoric would you
this is a British tradition. remember how the cops treated the miners in the 80s?
Western democracies are an illusion.
When the public was asked "do we need a General Election" and the answer was a resounding yes, the Government's answer was "No you don't". This was coming a long time ago.
I don't think a change in management will fix the terminal rot of this country
What happened to democracy in Britain
@@NoJusticeMTG it could at least scrape of some of the mold. Having someone who has popularity to lose gives us more power
@@TechlordXD it never existed. 🤣
@@TechlordXD Brexit banished it to Europe
If nonviolent protest is as likely to result in jailtime as violent protest, what do the government think will happen?
Yes, this. When punishment is disproportionate to the crime all it does is make people want more bang for their buck.
They don't care, it's the police that will be the chumps taking bricks to the face while they grab as much public funds as they can
@@Draconzis I remember the videos of BLM protesters sitting peacefully in the middle of the street singing getting pepper sprayed and then pulled to their feet by their hair so they could get beaten with batons, and lines of protesters simply walking down the street carrying placards getting driven into by police cars.Very much the kind of thing the torys want here
@@Draconzis Yeah dude American protests are reaching a boiling point. With Atlanta building the cop city fortress?
The rich and powerful dont give a flying fuck if the working class members of society shoot and kill each other. They could care less as long as people wear badges while doing it.
@@Draconzis oh shut up.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK
@@JM-oi9pk its the sequel to the victorian era
It's not true though. Half the time making peaceful revolution impossible just results in your country being North Korea
As I recall he was shot in the head, hardly a recommendation.
There will be no revolution, because no one would arm and support the revolutionaries from abroad.
* Rishi Sunak gets shot
This is legitimately scary - you take away peoples only tools for non violent influence through strike and protest… they’ll be left only with the alternative.
“The beatings will continue until morale improves”
But its not improving. Poverty is rising, the cost of living is worsening, London and the Pound of losing value, the old generation is dying off every year and the union is breaking. None if it is a sign that a the beatings are working.
Blocking streets and sabotaging production is violent. In the past thosse were heavliy punished
@@alexlehrersh9951 While it's often fair to classify things as violence, there's notable difference between the disruption from peaceful protest/strikes and the kind of violence coming from an overly exploited society rising up.
The people with money are relying on your own internalised belief of exploitation to endure it and let conditions get worse like a frog in a pot.
If people have no means to secure their future within the legal confines of society, they will break those confines to survive. People are glueing themselves to roads because all other meaningful forms of political activism are being ignored - if you continue to take it all away then you're going to face the consequences of a society running headlong into catastrophe.
@@Robert-sq7bp With that argument you could support the protesters on the capitol or in Brazil
@@alexlehrersh9951 Honestly... Yes. That is what political disenfranchisement looks like. If you don't want guillotines in the streets, you make sure people have a voice and ability to have their needs met.
You don't have to agree with the Capitol rioters to understand they're a group who feels ignored and unheard for decades, even though it's because of the actions of their own political party.
These laws are terrifyingly vague, which the cynical part of my mind suspects was the point. Those poor, poor billionaires and companies, with so little to protect them from mean words.
@The Senate
Indeed. It’s because the Rich and Powerful are so weak that their being bullied by the weak and powerless…or at least that’s what the Tory propaganda press would have you believe.
@@wakaisgood singapore also executes people for owning small quantities of cocaine, bans over a thousand books and banned homosexuallity till 1 year ago(though unenforced)
just because another country has a law doesn't mean its good
They'll end up like the oligarchs of Russia. All they need is a "strong prime minister."
@@wakaisgood Huh, wasn't aware of that.
It's not like I don't get it, politicians don't like stuff getting interrupted, but clamping down on peoples liberties really isn't encouraging faith in their administrations.
Don't let that slide guys, it's the same in russia and look what happened
Next time you hear a Tory brag about their love of freedom of speech ask them about this legislation
like everybody they love their freedom, not yours.
[""As i comprehend it, legislation is a rule of society given the force of law by the governed" so *legislation* is a *rule of society* unless the governed *consent* in writing by contract (obligation) where it becomes law, so hands up anyone (except government and it's agents) that have signed a contract where all terms and conditions have been written down and a signature from an authorized corporate government representative plus the individual has been executed and a record kept by both sides -- waiting -- waiting, as they are a corporation they can only obligate via contract, no contract no obligation, they have as much authority as any other corporation listed on Companies House -- none; "] : without prejudice.
The UK doesn't even have freedom of speech, we have freedom of expression.
It means something different in Britain.
@CallumsCornerOutlet No, that's pretty much it. Just like all those freedom of speech'ers out there who have no problems banning their critics.
I wonder how they decided on a 51 week sentence.
"A year?"
"Too long"
"51 weeks?"
"Are you seriously doing this?"
"Yes"
"51 weeks is fine."
depends... when is the next election, am guessing those locked up can't vote
I don't know how it works in the UK, but in the US that would be a misdemeanor. Crimes that have a maximum sentence of more than a year are for felonies.
And a felony will mess with a person's life. It WILL show up on a background check and a lot of people aren't going to look beyond the word "felony".
Trying to rent an apartment in a decent area? Applying for a job? It's now so much harder to not have that application in the trash. You won't even be allowed to stay in some housing. Loans, insurance, that becomes more expensive.
Of course the follow up bill makes these "crimes" into felonies.
did the math and 51 weeks is literally 1 week shorter than a year 💀💀💀
It's like when a shop charges $2.99 for something instead of just saying $3.
@@radustana I doubled checked and found that you're right!
I was waiting to hear how Sunak would be worse than Truss, guess this is the big reveal.
It's worse, he wants digital I.d. and digital currency. That means everything you do would be tracked and as in Canada they can then stop all your money and anything else they want to do
Its amazing with which speed Britain goes down the drain. Absolutely staggering.
@P.F
It’s what happens when the business leaders, media and politicians are on their side only and not the general publics.
It’s confirmation bias. They think the general public are like the top 10% of earners and they are just average.
Essentially being upper class, isolated and insulated from reality has made them thick.
Are you stupid? Britain goes has been going down the drain for the past 30 years and yes that is down to the tories and labour! we are the lowest paid country in the G7
@@emilymcplugger The problem is when someone comes along who really wants to help the working class, those same business leaders and media turn their propaganda machines up to overdrive and the Public follow along willingly.
Just look what happened to Corbyn. Thousands of knuckledraggers fell for every deplorable line murdoch printed.
In fact since Murdoch took over NewsCorp over 40 years ago, the electorate has voted for whichever candidate the Daily Mail has supported in every election without fail. Multi Billionaire Rupert Murdoch has hand picked every PM for over 4 decades and the electorate just believe anything he says.
@DoubtingThomas I would say blair took it all the way to the line with all these CCTV cameras watching up and the nanny state he brought us into and now we are the most spied on nation in the world below china!
It is staggering and I'm not even British but from Europe and an absolute complacency and apathy with which this madness is accepted by the general public
I am an engineer (old school) and I know what happens if you seal the pressure relief valve of a boiler or compressor receiver. It is similar to what happens when you bypass the fuse or MCB in an electrical circuit.
How long before this law applies not only to protest but also political campaigning on behalf of an opposition party?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." *JFK*
There are fundamental laws to nature, as with pressure release, which act as truisms for humanity. Stopping people from protest will only make protests more violent! I say let em have ittttt!!!
lol most extinction rebellion people are middle class toffs. They won't do anything.
@@1RAGEACE the *eventual* protests but it seems that overall we don't really do much. I woulda expected people to protest about this. Guess the public don't care about free-speech after-all :/
Democracy and people voting is proving bad. Too many people are dumb and unable to think for themselves and it's proving dangerous. Any government that can release the likes of Google, Microsoft, all these phone companies, etc... Is evidence people shouldn't be responsible for picking politicians...
Violent revolution hasn't always been inevitable in history. Violent revolutions are actually uncorrelated with how evil the government is
Maybe they should make a bill that proposes a Lord and Parliament member not doing their jobs will face up to 51 weeks of jail and see if that will go through
I love how they chose 51 weeks cuz they know if they said a year there's be more against it so they just barely went under it
The 99p of criminal sentences
I'm surprised they did not go for 52 weeks which literally would've been one day short of a year.
You never believe that life imitates art until you start noticing GB turning into that shitstorm from V for Vendetta.
Excellent observation.
Alan Moore wrote it back when the Labour Party has some serious chance of becoming the dominant party in the UK and in Moore's mind Labour=totalitarians...
Britain sliding towards pseudo democracy where the methods by which the government interferes with democracy bypasses any and all accountability
Problem with these democracy bypasses is when a government discovers them, all governments seem to add it to their own playbook
The GB in V for Vendetta manages to survive a world crises and is stable.
@@Homeschoolsw6 Completely and utterly missing the point of the story
Protests are supposed to be disruptive. I don't like them not have a been in one but that's what they are. We're really turning into a police state
Not really. Standing outside of a building on a square and scream chants and wave signs is one thing. To block highways, abortion clinics or sabotage infrastructure is something else.
@@Fuhrerjehova talking from experience here, if your protest isnt disruptive politicians will simply ignore you and nothing will happen, only when you affect the economy by protesting the politicians are forced to listen.
@@Fuhrerjehova it's so politicians are forced to do something about it, but people shouldn't damage property
We are Not, you simply Support extremists
@@Fuhrerjehova so nurses shouldn't be allowed to strike either then? That potentilly "sabotages infrastructure"
i’m reminded of the time recently when the province of Ontario in Canada banned teacher strikes, but they went on strike anyway and got it reversed.
They got lucky that time, but next time the Ontario government bans strikes they might not back down.
@@noseboop4354 Nah, we (Ontarians) won't stand for that
@@noseboop4354 last time the Ontarian Government tried this under the Liberals (our version of Labour, complete with "Tories but red" policies) the Supreme Court of Canada basically shoved a gavel up pariliament's ass and reminded them that teacher strikes are protected under our constitution through the Charter right to collective bargaining
if they pass this, they are gonna learn a bitter lesson, if you take away people's right to legally protest they will resort to illegal measures, and thats only one step away from violence and terrorism.
Banning protests or making it harder to protest is not only deeply anti-freedom, but unironically dangerous (even for government officials). What do they think is going to happen, if they criminalize non-violent protests. Many disruptive non-violent protests often only start, if other less disruptive options are ignored in media and government.
I sometimes see people somehow trying to argue, how environmentalist protesters are somehow extremists, but to me they seem to go the extra-way around to not hurt others. And no, disrupting traffic is not violent, it might be annoying and there are problems for essential workers, but the same people that are against those protests suddenly say "Look this one of a thousand researchers, that believes humans haven't caused global warming is 100% correct, finally someone saying 'the truth' everybody else is lying, make them god emperor tomorrow". Gluing yourself into a street isn't exactly a very fun activety.
Criminalizing this might lead to people actually becoming violent, as any non-violent options are ignored. The government is obviously not interested in what protesters have to say on climate change. Their policies (and some of their rich supporters) build on ignoring it and it's not even hidden in any way.
Also technically, by the widest definition any protest is ment to disruptive a conversation by showing public opposition. "Disruption" could be an argument to ban, ANY form of disagreement.
Not to mention police is already quite low in numbers and low morale.
And banning peaceful protest is gonna get officers killed or seriously injured alot more.
By the countless of makeshift weapons that exist from knives to crossbows to rocks to molotovs and maybe the odd cow.
@@DGAMINGDE so that makes it ok to destroy private and public property or block roads?
Wanna protests? Go in front of number 10 or Westminster. Clear a march with the local London authorities with advanced notice for the rest who don't give a shit about your cause.
If people still don't give a shit, accept that your cause has no support, and accept it. This isn't a moral justification to disrupt peoples livelyhoods and freedoms.
Yeahh even China knows to let people let it out if you don't want a coup.
@@vod96 Mate look at your name and shut up 😂
The laws are incredibly authoritarian. And we can't protest to stop it
They're not law yet. I'm up for a super disruptive, but still legal protest. Tomorrow?
Thatnis the point of geing authoritarian
they should fear what happens when they have banned all protests
I hope millions of people protest and if the law still passes then even more people protest, what are they gonna do? Arrest everyone? Kill everyone?
@@alanlittle4589 I think that this signals that legality is no longer an issue.
51 weeks is insane. For reference, that is a similar sentence to manslaughter in the US. Obviously the rest of the bill is pretty terrible in how it restricts the right to peacefully protest. But man are those sentences out there.
And the US isn't exactly lenient either!
bro the things already in the bill are horrifying, what the hell?
The UK is marching from a surveillance state into becoming a police state, huh?
Priti Patel is by far the worst person in parliament. There isn't a single piece of legislation she has had a hand in that isn't sadistic trash. Every policy she worked on has been to punish people.
People from Gujarati bred will have this sadistic personality in their DNA. By naturally. But the people in the UK have the will. But scared for the outcome on them. That's what stopping y'all. Even Canada is loosing the 'land of opportunities' to land of censored and pulling back what they can watch to what govt want them to watch.
@@wakaisgood calling someone sadistic is racist ??
@@wakaisgood Is this satire or something? Amber Rudd is also a sadist, Farage is also a sadist, and most definitely, Priti Patel derives pleasure from persecuting people.
@@wakaisgood get real. Her and suella braverman are the biggest pieces of shit to ever work in home office . They show complete disregard for ethnic minority and disenfranchised groups. Those 2 are the most racist you will find .. and by the way use the word ‘ People Of Colour’ is very offensive and can be construed racist in itself
@@wakaisgood You just blow in from stupid town?
"we don't need a constitution guaranteeing any right to freedom of speech, we can just trust whichever party that has a majority in parliament to preserve the rights of their political opponents"
And thats where the monarch is needed....
@@davidty2006 monarchs are beholden to the government, they have powers that they would have stripped from them were they ever to actually use it.
@@Treblaine Eh, here's to hoping King Charles will do the based thing and dissolve Parliament
@@johnroach9026 there is near unanimous agreement that were a monarch ever to act against the interests of Parliament/PM then that would be grounds to lose any ability to do so again. The UK would become like Canada where the Monarch becomes a legal fiction, not actually involved at all.
@@Treblaine if it were in protection of public freedom it would be worth it. as it is now the house or lords is more supportive of freedom than our gov
Depending on what the threshold for "serious disruption" turns out to be, this bill could criminalise holding hands with a partner as you walk down the street - you'd be making it harder for cycle couriers to pass.
If holding hands doesn't qualify for "locking on", then toddler reins definitely do...
This is very ironic in a larger historical sense, because the main reason that the Commons has such power as it does is because of centuries of protests, including a civil war and subsequent seizure of power by Cromwell. Were it not for protesting, the King would currently have far greater powers.
Personally I think the filth we call politicians know what’s coming.
The filth we call politicians? Haha, that's rich! Heck no they don't know what's coming. Most of them are so out-of-touch and self-serving, they have no idea how the world really works or why anything happens. They only understand the narrow view in front of them - their own power grabs and schemes for increasing wealth and influence over others. If you actually want to see people "in touch" with reality take a look at working class individuals busting their tails day after day just trying to make ends meet - now those guys KNOW what’s coming because it is staring right back at them every single morning when they wake up.
It's both yes the politicians are less and less representing the people but also violent destructive riots are called peaceful protests by the media and so now they are stopping "peaceful protests".
I don't approve of it but I can understand how we got here.
They're bringing it closer, whatever 'it' is this tension has to break eventually, and they're definitely keen to keep turning that dial
Hey! from France.🐸Good luck with your strikes and take care of each other to be able to hold longer.
But if you want to be noticed you can do a "casserolade", it's an old french "recipe" to make some noise.
I don't talk about cuisine, I talk about an "old" way to protest in the street to make noise and/or music
with a pan or a saucepan and spoons made of wood. It's quite festive. ;-)
as much as I agree witht he sentiment I feel like it is important to single out the tories here. Labour while *far* from perfect wouldn't do shit like this at least.
Ah yes. That will totally fix the problem altogether.
Problem? Make it so that people can't complain.
Russian approach, british are stealing authoritarianism now?
P.S. If they make it less vague, then it would be okay
@Emily Ram nope, no we don't, I have no desire to live in such a dreadful place.
@@nektekket852 Yeah, I feel you, living in London is painful
@@wakaisgood I swear i remember something about it being a dictatorship somewhere
Stopping someone without suspicion is EXTREMELY concerning. What justification can you use to detain someone with no evidence of a crime being committed
Let’s not forget Sarah Everard’s death and who caused it before making bills like these…
I didn't think anyone could be worse than Truss. But Sunak is just a straight supervillain
the uk was getting more authoritarian over the years, but this would be a detrimental change and a dangerously massive push towards fascism. this is especially clear when it comes to the differences made in the particulars. it's another tragic tory policy, making the uk even less liveable (unless you are rich).
that's the tory way
-the uk- the fascist tory 'government'
@@cgt3704 I assume you're talking about „Not Tonight”?
@@aradanat231 ding
Why exactly would you want to live in the UK if you're rich?
Crowded, terrible traffic, bad weather. True, the law can't touch you...
It’s really strange that the government don’t consider the possibility of preventing civil disobedience by governing in such a way that the population don’t feel the need to protest!
That's not how democracy works. There will always be protests. Protests are a sign of a functioning democracy. If there were no protests, I'd be VERY worried.
That a minority of the population feels the need to protest. Please do not push agendas onto normal people that are being pushed by a small fraction of the country.
@@davidgaskin5417 most protesters are ordinary people. Stop spreading Tory propaganda.
You talkin' crazy talk
People protest for dumb reason sometimes.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-John F Kennedy
As i recall he was shot in the head, hardly a recommendation.
Ah yes, I remember they tried something similar in the 70s called the Sus Law. I forget how it turned out, but I seem to recall that it ended all crime forever, was not abused and absolutely did not result in massive riots across Britain.
So you're saying that law was kinda sus
Just another reason to add to the list of "Why I lost faith in my country"
The UK has been backsliding for nearly over two decades now, and you're only now just noticing it?
@@greyghost2492 no, hence i have a list of reasons 😅
As an American y’all need a first amendment in your constitution
@@bradley8575 because the us is doing incredibly right now??
@@atomic_bear At least the right to protest is unabashedly in the constitution and some say we are sometimes too strict in enforcing the first amendment, which is a thousand times better than what Britain is doing.
None of our current state of affairs is due to the first amendment, in fact, it is one of our greatest strengths as a nation.
If I were a cynic, which I am, I would say that the abortion clinic thing is only in there to reflect any criticism of the bill (from the left)
Opposition: "This bill completely guts the right to protest!"
Government: "So you want abortion clinics and women visiting them to be harassed?"
Opposition: "Of course not, but..."
yeah, that is suspiciously the only part of the bill that seems reasonable.
@@dragohammer6937Also lowest punishment
Absolutely, instantly thought the same. It has to be there to try and deflect criticism from the left who don't want to be seen in bad optics.
@@lilldavid6903 Yep, it could be "UP TO six months or just a fine". This bill is terrible.
The section establish areas where public political deliberation is abolished, lumping expressions of opinions, information and advice with harassment and threats. It pursues an ignorant society around a decision about life and death. Only b, c and d block or interferens with access to abortion.
When public opinion of the government is so poor, they try restrict the right of the people to express said opinion
It's only gonna backfire. The unequaluty exploding, brexit backlash is increasing and tge Tories policies are only making things worse.
Pretty smart to put abortion in there. Now the left will have to support it OR indirectly help abortion harassers...
Hooray! I've always wanted to live in a police-state!
How about just making 1984 a reality right here and now?
@@AlchemicKitten Daring, I like your moxie kid!
@@fundude365 who knows we might even get a "V" for Vendetta
@@AlchemicKitten I'm afraid you need to reread 1984. And to make it easier on you, read about the life of George Orwell from 1935-1950. It will help you understand the true meaning of 1984.
It isn't about surface authoritarianism. It was about the Second Red Scare, 1947-1957.
1984 did not take place in 1984. It took place in 1948, the same year George Orwell started authoring 1984.
I though brexiit was to escape the evil authoritarian EU so you already lived in a police state and escaped withm sovereignty and happy brittish fish
Typical Tories. Rather than fixing the problems people are outraged enough to protest over, they instead outlaw the particular ways they choose to protest those problems. Essentially hushing your complaints
If you really think this has anything whatsoever to do with Tories, I've got some terribly bad news for you. They all despise you, no matter who you vote for.
@@osirisgolad atleast labour supports the reasons for these protests.
@@moudue Oh yeah? Is that why the Tories did such a great job of executing Brexit and securing the borders like they promised their voters? They all pretend to support things that get you to vote for them while they're not in power, then they do the opposite of what they promised when they get in power. The grifters take turns lying to you so you always feel like there is the potential for change, yet nothing ever does change. Words are cheap, their actions prove otherwise.
@@osirisgolad they absolutely didn't do a great job executing brexit. The UK is the only country out of the G7 to not have any economic growth in fact they were slightly shrinking. They also couldn't secure their borders either, they actually cut off Northern Ireland from their customs law because brexit put them in a catch 22 in terms of the Irish border. Brexit was the absolutely worst choice the UK made in a very very long time.
@@moudue Yes, I was being sarcastic. My point being that they promise one thing and then deliver nothing. Whether you were for or against Brexit, you somehow got the opposite of what you wanted. We'll be saying the same thing after a year or two of Labour in power. The problem isn't one party or the other, the problem is that all of these self-designated elites are incompetent grifters who earnestly believe they're better than the little folk. Keir "personality of wet concrete" Starmer isn't going to be any better than the carousel of Tory mongrels we've seen over the past year.
So this isn't going to help cause a violent reaction/revolution in any way.
Seriously though, this law should be ignored on mass and should be opposed in any way possible.
Britain: Votes for Tories, Gets Tories. Votes for Brexit, Gets Brexit.
Tories: act like Tories, implement Tory policies.
Brexit: Turns out exactly as remain warned it would.
Britain: Why would they do this?! We need a violent revolution!!
Maybe rather than starting a violent revolution, you could just stop voting for hard right monsters and destructive policies pushed by billionaires???
Like it or not, rat, laws are created to ensure the common good of society - they need to be taken seriously and followed in order for us all to live harmoniously together. Ignoring them on mass is not going oppose a bad law, it's quite frankly foolish! How would you expect any positive change when an entire population decides just brush off their responsibilities as citizens? You speak of revolution, yet have overlooked that fundamental truth - real progress won't come from disregarding a rule like this one; only through conscientious action will meaningful change occur!
@@datguy9717 No Tory has ever created a law for the good of society. Tory laws are for the good of the rich and the aristocracy, and generally negative to wider society.
Lol what are they gonna revolt with? Knives? But being serious now I agree.
@@shwethang4347 You're aware that the Rwanda genocide was done mainly with machettes right?
Please don't be an idiotic gun advocate...
Does the government have the pre-cogs from Minority report to determine if a protest might be disruptive before it even happens.
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Who said that again? I forgot. It was about ww2, right?
@@lighting7508 it’s from a poem called “First they came…” by Martin Niemoller about the holocaust
Of course, when it comes to protect women in crisis, the "tough on crime" folks discover "leniency" for the offender.
They should call it the Public Order Resentencing Directive, you know, really lean into the Evil Empire meme.
The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that.
I can understand tackling people glued to roads but the punishments are far too severe for people who, well, are foregoing comfort to do what they believe to be right.
Do you not see the obvious consequence of tolerating anyone doing whatever he or she believes to be right?
@@ShankarSivarajan what about the consequences of harsh punishment for those that want to stand up for what they believe in? In the long term that will only lead to more resentment of the government, and they already have enough enemies as is.
@@ShankarSivarajan what obvious consequences of peacful action? we're letting people do things which are legal.
im sorry if a few painting frames had to be wiped down. these protests are protests their not giving into carnal desires we're not letting them "do whaterver they want" protesting is a specific action.
The best thing govt can do regarding highway protests is guaranteed non interference. If people know they wont be punished for sorting out the issue amongst themselves, theyll just drag them off the road themselves. As it sits the best method ive found is driving a really old, mean looking car with a really loud exhaust. This is one of those issues thats best when the people solve it amongst themselves. The equal and opposite completely fair counter to someone restricting movement is for the other party to force movement of the first party. You force me to stop, i force you to go. The idea that an activity one toke away from kidnapping is a problem only for the cops, that the citizenry will be punished for retaliating against, is how you get laws like this. The people supporting a law that hurts them in the long run because in the short term, they need to be able to get to work.
The only good thing to come out of this is the eminent Jonathan Pie rant.
In Star Wars one of the pieces of legislation the Empire introduces to fight the rebels has a very similar name, the "Public Order Resentencing Directive".
Funny that.
"The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that."
They literally did, that’s why ‘Public Order’ sounded so familiar to me.
Oh wow, somebody said this above but without mentioning it was a Star Wars reference and I thought it was a joke. Jesus
This people in this country are like the frog in a pan of water slowly boiling to death and not doing anything about it
I really cant express how much I appreciate the presentation of these videos and the way you just explain stuff and don't really give strong opinions on it
He said it was scarily vague. That's an opinion.
Wow. Authoritarian Britain is something we would really like not going back to, thank you very much!
Aint no way I'm living my adulthood life in this country, leaving as soon as I can. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Bye Felicia!
@@levyroth Have fun being told how to live neek!
Let me hide in your luggage please
@@levyroth Lick those boots
Good for you. This train is headed to hell anyway
Worth pointing out that it's not "Britain" that will have protest banned, as the act only applies in England and Wales and the Scottish Government has ruled out applying similar laws in Scotland.
I love the Scots, they're not idiots. The French too would be out protesting against the protest bill
This is disgraceful, I hope there is some way to stop it.
It will become law and I very much doubt that a future Labour Government will change it.
Nukes
Move to Scotland, think they're right about done with dear old England.
@@sacrilegioussasquatch this bill would still apply to Scotland
@@max3446 scotland is likely to become independent and rejoin the eu too. This is when laws like this could be taken out of the books
Why not go the whole hog and make critcizing the regime a criminal offence?
*criticizing
Dominic raab is on that I'm sure
Lol
I'm not saying it's literally 1984.
But it's literally 1984.
This bill and the idea behind it just seem inherently tyranical to me. The whole point behind protests, even and especially when peaceful, is disruption. Even Gandhi was only so successful because he disrupted the sale of salt in India. What doesn't affect you can be ignored.
To take away the right for protests to disrupt people's daily lives is to take away the right to protest. Doubly so when these laws criminalize any disruption to any organization you might be protesting, such as protests to directly prevent immoral or outright illegal activity.
But these protests have caused ambulances to be late and people to loose money because they can't get to work yet the GMB reps say it was good.
Yeah? Disallowing people to block highways is tyrannical? Disallowing angry cleaners from blocking off an entire airport, causing tens of millions of damage is tyrannical? Ok.
@@Habib_Osman yes. Protest is disruptive: it has to be in order to be effective. To ban disruptive protest in such vague terms is to completely gut our ability to effect change via protest and is tantamount to banning it outright.
@@Habib_Osman Yes thats how it works... Imagine being stopped for a bit in your life. How terrible. /s
@@MasterGhostf If for example those striking cleaners would announce it a year ahead of time, they would not hold up innocent customers but they would still damage the profits of the airport. Protest has to be proportional and imo hurting the interests of those that have nothing to do with the disagreement is (almost) never necessary.
So, if I lock up my bike on some railings, I could be subject to 51 weeks in prison. And it will all be down to someone with more powers and money than me claiming that I had 'intent', against my own 'reasonable excuse' of commuting into the city centre.
You know Britain, these new laws you've made is similar to the ones like the SOSMA and ISA laws in Malaysia! Except the part where you will be detained without representation part. You have to keep it civilised now, only authoritarian and developing countries enact that part of the law.
In the game "Not tonight" , Post-Brexit England is depicted as a fascist state where cost of living rises, infrastructure is in bad shape and foreigners (or peopke born of immigrants) are treated badly. And worse, they have social credit cards. As time goes on, im starting to feel the vibe from the game
The result of capitalism will always be facism. Capitalism’s incessant need of increased profit will always leave the proletariat discarded.
UK government: Keep calm and carry on... *or else*
At someone who organises regular (legal) protests, this is a bit disturbing. I could be stopped and searched every week as I clearly am carrying protest placards into town. Every week. We have never 'locked on', never caused problems. Our protests are planned and the police are informed. But laws like this could make what we're doing illegal. 🤦♀️
Don't get why they are going so hard and broad with this.
If they wanted to get people to stop blocking the road, then just make it so the police can arrest people who block or impede traffic.
Hey! from France.Good luck with your strikes and take care of each other to be able to hold longer.
But if you want to be noticed you can do a "casserolade", it's an old french "recipe" to make some noise.
I don't talk about cuisine, I talk about an "old" way to protest in the street to make noise and/or music
with a pan or a saucepan and spoons made of wood. It's quite festive. ;-)
Read the "Discourse on Voluntary Servitude", or the Anti-Dictator by Etienne de la Boetie, it's short but deep. ;-)
French people really know how to protest! You guys put the rest of us to shame! As an American, lots of us wish we were brave enough to do it like you guys
@@mammajamma4397 Yeah, but we also have one of the lowest rate of workers in union.
So the pressure valve that is almost inexistant makes it explosive when capitalists try to screw us to brutally.
This is how it all starts!
It may have took 39 years, but the UK is finally becoming embracing the dystopia of Nineteen Eighty-Four. Congratulations!
These laws are ridiculous. One only needs to enforce existing laws against trespassing, vandalism, rights of way, etc... No other laws are needed.
Exactly. When the problem is already covered by law or just straight made up, they’re dog whistling to attack a much broader thing they dislike. I.e. the right to protest as a whole
You can't do that anymore as long as the criminals are not white 😅
Or just not do a piss poor job of running the country
What the UK needs is a written constitution, because a lack of one allows this kind of fascist policy.
@@angh18 it does not have a formal constitution the way the United States does. Rather, what England considers a constitution is really a whole lot of jurisprudence and existing legislation. There is no actual supreme law of the land, something that supersedes any bit of legislation, any treaty, any executive policy.
So no, the UK does not have a constitution. Not even a remotely. And they are suffering for it now. This will only get worse, as without a absolute safeguard against this kind of crap, England will continue to descend towards fascism. And that's what conservatives always wanted, fascist control over everybody else.
Fascism has taken root in the UK. This is the part where as an American I want to be all sanctimonious and say "well this is what you get for not having a written constitution"... but it hasn't helped much over here when we have the same forces trying to do the same things and there is just never any consquence.
Frankly nothing we're currently doing is going to stop these kinds of people from trying to strip our freedoms.
We must vote out these people it's the only way and failing that we take to the street and force them out. End of the day, if they're taking away freedoms in a free society then they're a danger to society.
It's commies.
It’s just authoritarianism in general
As an Irishman I look at the UK and I think "how the hell did you people let it get this bad ?" the Tories which aren't that different from the U.S. Republican party have been in power for over 12 years at this point that means even as they began systematically screwing the country people still voted them in every general election.
I live in Northern Ireland and at this point I just want Irish re unification to happen because I'd much rather take my chances with the Irish government than the UK which lets be honest is a gigantic burning sinking ship.
@@NIGHTSTALKER973 Pride and nostalgia, that's what causes this.
Things have gotten so bad in the UK because a lot of the population are nostalgic for when the UK was "great". Same story in the United states.
And when a population is so fixated on the past. It can't see the present, let alone the future for what it actually is.
Can't wait for the time Government to ban TAX DODGING AND CORRUPTION.
As if that would happen from this bunch of Public School bullies.
I'm sorry but it appears your studying of history has been nonexistent. It seems like every generation overestimates their knowledge regarding governments; they think they can just pass a few laws here or there when in its simplest form- GOVERNMENTS WILL BE CORRUPT NO MATTER WHAT! Power corrupts folks no matter what side your on. Every century, people scream END THE CORRUPTION- without fail!! But even then we never learn our lesson.
Don't hold your breath.
The tax haven (off shore banking) thing is ridiculous. If you are a citizen you are subject to the States laws. That means what you own is also subject, because the things you own are a part of you.
Will never happen this is why brexit happen
If the government actually gave a shit about ordinary people being able to go about their lives they'd legalise the ability for striking workers to provide services without charging the public like they are able to do in japan. It hurts no one but the company which is why it's an effective tool in a strike bc they will have to eat the cost
They banned it because it was effective. It's a blatant attempt to turn public opinion away from unions by forcing them to be disruptive
So if a vehicle breaks down on the highway it can be searched by the police for tubes of glue. Are the drivers's passengers also liable for sentencing
Sounds more like “ban tourists attraction” bill to me
I am not a brit, but I think that there are way more important issues to tackle as a PM than protests.
not if your goal is to become a dictator like Mr Putin
Sounds like that the 'Locking on' rule would affect wheel Clamps too.
Wheel clamping by private companies (unless they're acting on behalf of a government agency or the courts) has been outlawed in the UK mainland for more than a dozen years.
@@I_Evo It's not that black and white... Check again.
@@MatthewJBD Do you want to expand on that?
Section 54 of The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 is quite specific about what is allowed and what is allowed when it comes to wheel clamping and otherwise immobilising motor vehicles.
It sounds to me that it could be stretched to apply to locking up your bicycle as well.
@@matthewparker9276 You mean randomly to railings that has been a problem in some areas? No, I think they'll leave that up to councils, rail companies etc. to deal with, doesn't really come under protests does it?
As a person living in an authoritarian country, the wording in this legislation seems awfully familiar. The "likely to", "capable of" are the way for the government to reject you or jail you arbitrarily, for something you haven't even done or wasn't planning to do. Whenever "public order" becomes more important than right to protest, you know something is going wrong.
I suggest brits to worry and get these people out of power as soon as possible.
So.....
I take it there are safeguard-laws (or other rules/regulations) regarding sentencing of 1 year or longer.
If only they had this sort of urgency or energy for knife crime
We need millions on the streets to stop this power grab
Good luck!
Empty vessels.
The annoying thing here is the Abortion clinic section is only there so they can say "This bill helps women". That should be a bill in it's own right, the way people are harassed at abortion clinics can be awful.
I thought the whole abortion clinic business would just have people thrown under harassment laws.
@@embroideredragdoll You would think so but no it doesn't. These people will toe the line so they can get away with it. There has been calls for an exclusion zone around abortion clinics since I was in High School which is now over a decade ago.
This MIGHT cause disruptions: ARRESTED.
Why not give it a go, would be good seeing it applied.
@@jjefferyworboys8138 Yeah right.
imagine of it suceeds and then gets to the king and he just says no to it
Sunak must know there's absolutely nothing he can do to ensure the Tories win in the next GE, so, might as well make people as miserable as possible and throw as many liberals and leftists in jail as possible so maybe in the next-next GE the Tories can have a better chance to come back
Labour is just as bad as the tories. They are both capitalist parties serving the mega-corporations. The only way for true leftist change is a complete upheaval of the oppressive capitalist system.
@@kieraisverybored oh, absolutely.
unless "disruption" is clearly defined, that seems dangerously vague (to say nothing of assessing the possibility of something being disruptive in the future). doesn't it just take two people who claim they wish to do some arbitrary thing aimed directly at the act in question? someone who finds themselves stuck in a trash bin in an alley (since it could be an accident) might cause two people to claim they can't use the sidewalk because they have psychological issue about crossing in front of alley with suck a disturbing sight.
why don't they pass a law that says anyone who inconveniences two or more people on purpose or by accident can go to jail...then like magic we'll live in a utopia 🙂
It obviouslt means things like blocking basic infrastructure. So, no more blocking highways. No more disabling airports. Protesting is obviously not being made illegal.
Ah yes, the obvious solution to an unhappy population.
Things seem to be deteriorating quickly in the uk.
Have been for a while now.
So you are a big fan of blocking off highways because the goat milk farmers believe the price for goat milk is too low? Closing down entire airports because the cleaners believe they need to get paid more? There is no arguing this comment section. Everybody here is just purely in favour of chaos and fun instead of efficiency and public order. Good thing UK politicians can rise above the rabble.
The House of Lords is "useless" but tried to veto this bill several times whenever it came through, as well as just being a far more competent chamber.
The public's idiocy has removed the only barrier we had to the barbarians in the common's.
And now we're fucked.
We are going down the same road the russian people have gone down we are going authoritarian 🙈
Goodbye democracy
Would that also include the right to strike and or pickett. 2 bites at the union's
The poor have gone unheard for too long, the rich must have their ears opened to the struggles of the proletariat and they are scared of that, we have a right to protest, it is our way of expressing grievance where no other means could be found, please anyone who can, fight back, they can’t hold us down forever and eventually we will all be equal, but we must strive towards a better future
The rich are fully aware. They want to see families out on the street. In their minds it will make us work harder and complain less. Reduce our life spans to productive years only.
If you change the words 13 years of Tory failure to Tory plan, the logic is inescapable
Don't pull the socialist shit man. This has nothing to do with capitalism or communism. This is just a tyrannical government being a tyrannical government.
@@warseeker8122 Incorrect it is all about capital and the protection of it.
What is the purpose of tyranny for tyrannies sake?
@@warseeker8122 protests are against the current way of things, and the term proletariat and bourgeoise whilst often being associated with socialist groups can be used independently to discuss connection of upper and lower classes to the means of production in a capitalist system, also this has EVERYTHING to do with capitalism and socialism, people wouldn’t be protesting if the economic system they lived in was good enough to not live pay check to pay check.
@@slaygal9012 That comes from the governments incompetence, not strictly the economic system it has. Socialism wouldn't make the situation any better, probably worse.
Socialism depends on a strong government, who else is going to decide how wealth is redistributed, who gets their wealth redistributed, etc. So if the government is the problem here, which it is, advocating for socialism isn't a good idea.
Since when did the people ask for permission from the government to protest?
I hope Edinburgh blocks this bill, that would be some poetic justice
It won't apply in Scotland, but the most the SG can do is protect Scotland from it not block the whole thing unfortunately
@@joshupton6424 Can SNP run in england and claim every seat they took is a part of scotland?
We all know this will be applyed very selectivly. At least here, there are those who can do anything and will just pay their way out (politicans, influential people), those who are for some reason excused by "different culture background" "psychic issues" and so on and regular people, who need to follow the law religiously.. or else! The law doesnt apply to everyone same, its used to punish regular people.
What good is a protest if it doesn't disrupt something? At that point you might as well just pass around an internet petition. If it can be readily ignored, it will be.
anyone in the UK who is not outside parliament protesting this bill right now i will be forever suspicious of.
Yay, Brittan is becoming more like Egypt, so happy for you brits.
eventually they will start arresting journalists for 'misinformation'
I mean, the first part of that bill sound good, a welcome improvement. The second half needs revising, but the fact of the matter is, we cant continue the way things are, we need a fix, this isn't it but we need something.
Are you dumbo?
Same problem with squishing protests here in several Australian states, with long sentences for minor inconvenience - even for people helping with basic things like organising meetings. Court challenges are inevitable.
It's nice to see the news giving a wider range of topics again. It's felt as though the media has brushed over a lot of general politics over the past few years due to the focus on Brexit and coronavirus.
Right wingers go on and on about free speech but were basically silent over this.
Because it's not affecting free speech. They can still protest. They simply cant block the rest of us while doing it.
Protest on the side of the road like a normal person.
@@MEIS82 You clearly have not read the bill, this was drummed up before just stop oil.
@@sjewitt22 I have read the bill. Yiur comment shows you have only the information from RUclips.