The Unbeatable German Pilot Even the Allies Couldn't Hate
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- In the stark, unforgiving skies of North Africa, Hans-Joachim Marseille, revered as the Star of Africa, engaged French ace pilot James Denis in their first of two aerial duels. Piloting his Messerschmitt Bf 109, Marseille, renowned for his tactical brilliance and more than 100 air victories, swiftly maneuvered to gain the upper hand as Denis' Hawker Hurricane emerged from beneath a cloud cover.
With precise control, Marseille executed a deflection shot, firing ahead of his target, a technique few could master with such menacing grace. He timed his attack to target the enemy’s engine and propeller hub. His gunfire was effective, sending Denis' fighter crashing into the ground, its pilot spared by a stroke of fortune.
Before he could celebrate his victory, Marseille realized the extent of the damage to his own aircraft. In the heat of their exchange, Denis had managed to return fire, riddling Marseille's Bf 109 with 30 bullets. The damage was extensive, jeopardizing the integrity of his aircraft and forcing Marseille himself to perform an emergency landing near Tobruk.
The two pilots lost their aircraft, but they would meet again in the skies soon enough, each determined to prove who was the better ace.
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"I am most proud of having never lost a wingman," Eric Hartmann, who had 352 confirmed kills
You have got to respect both, sorry. While one may have been loyal the other was a strategist that will be learned from. They both have their places, not one less important than the other.
And by the way, any brag is a compensation for something so if that is a true quote, it is human nature to assert in order to divert from our failings and we all have them.
@@crct2004 I'm going to disagree with you there. Ignoring the fact that Hartmann survived the war with more than double the kill count who would want as your wingman?
@@dscott6629 He survived the war, but how much more time did he have to up his "kill count"? I have never had a wingman so I would not know how to answer that. I know that I have broken boundaries and sadly have hurt others along the way, but just as he honored his "kills", I repent daily for all my involvement in the sufferings of any living thing, but do not apologise for how our Lord made me. Some of us tow the line and some of us break new ground. Both come with their rewards and consequences.
@@crct2004 I had to look this up but Marseilles flew a total of 382 missions to Hartmann's 1404. No question Marseilles was a prodigy but then I'm sure Hartmann spent a significant amount of his missions keeping his mates alive. Consequently I remain firmly in Hartmann's corner. No question who'd I want flying next to me. None at all.
Had 158 aerial kills in only 2 years of active combat service,Was rarely Shot down in north africa , was really accurate with his shooting and only took him few well placed shots to down an enemy's plane,was extremely fearless and never ran away from a dogfight,won a 3vs1 by himself against 3 British Aces, would usually fly over enemy airfields dropping paper notes written by him revealing his kills and the location of the british pilots who ejected or survived carsh landing in the middle of the desert which helped greatly in the search and rescue operations and earned him Highest degrees of respect even amongst his enemies,he managed an Unrivaled feat of shooting down 17 enemy planes in a single day, wasn't a nazi wasn't a racist and loved Jazz Music,was unlucky and only died to a failed ejection after his new plane suffered from an engine failure,Even The legendary erich Hartmann with 352 kills was ascked who was the best german ace pilot of ww2 he said marseille was better than him,hans joachim marsaille is truly one of the most if not the most legendary Ace Pilot of WW2
Hartmann 352 kills were all in the East, Marseille 158 kills were all in the Western theater.
He was not unlucky. he was not shot down, he was failed by his superiors who chose to put him in the unreliable plane. He died with honor not defeat. In the end he followed orders, something he seemed unlikely to do so it puts a perfect bow on his story. If he was a twat he would never have submitted to orders to fly the lessor aircraft. He was all that and a bag of chips. To those who died because of his determination for perfecting the fight - it's called war. some of the most disgusting motivations of the war profiteers is to fool soldiers into thinking they are saving their brothers when they are dieing for the banksters. That does not make these men less honorable, nor does it make him less honorable. His actions probably saved more pilots in the future than those who were lost i battle.
Brilliant write-up & thank you for sharing. 😊
@@crct2004Good one...! 👍
@user-xq2zn8bu9q .. I agree, a great write-up for a great Man.
creepy for the allies maybe.. he was a pilot unicorn who deserves respect
respect......dude he flew for the Reich lmao. No one does
Yes I agree.
@@alliedmastercomputer5407 He was not a Nazi, he assisted those he shot down
@@alliedmastercomputer5407 give it a rest
@@alliedmastercomputer5407 And the bomber pilots who nuked Japan flew for the allies, as the ones leveling(quite literally) Germany, or burning to ashes the people of Dresden... see? we can all play the strawman game
Something that is beautiful about pilots in that era is that there was still some humanity in them as they fought one another. The skills may make the pilot seem legendary but its the humanity and personality that rises them there.
I just heard a famous USAF pilot, David Waldrop speak about shooting down a Mig-17 over Hanoi. He later found out the identity of the Vietnamese pilot and even found his photo. He spoke very movingly about having killed a fellow pilot and he even made a commemorative plaque to present to the downed pilot's family (I guess) years after the war. He didn't shoot down a Mig; he shot down a fellow aviator in a Mig and he has never found that to be satisfying at all.
God bless all of these men and now women who put their lives on the line for wars politicians start.
Today is Memorial Day in the U.S.
Orémus Y'all.
Kind of counter-productive, though, to just try to shoot down as many planes as you can, while trying your best to let the enemy pilots survive to fight another day. If that's your plan, it just becomes a contest of which side can produce the most aircraft. And that's a contest Germany had no way of winning.
A brave, noble and talented man fighting in an absurd war that was not his
He loved :"Rumba Azul".
Some Jazz musicians just inculcate music theory in highly individualistic ways driven internally with much intuition and less analysis yet undeniably brilliant. This guy was that in a BF109.
Marseille was not a creepy guy, he was apparently very charming, and hed a very good and natural feel with his planes. Such a bad title
Do you forget that Nazis are still Nazis? I'm not at all surprised that all the military fanboys that felt intelligent as children cause they knew the difference between a b24 & a b25, grew up to become fanatics of another sort.
They're weapons of war. The operators of them are nothing to obsess over. Esp when you find yourself becoming upset over a "mis-characterization" of a Nazi.
Creepy guys don't attract hordes of women and he attracted magnitudes of women. He was a through and through ladies man. It was written that he had sexual relations with one girlfriend in the back seat of the car that was being driven by his other girlfriend back to his airbase. Not many men can claim having multiple sexual partners not only at the same time but with the full knowledge and in view of all the other sexual partners. The man was living the fantasy that many men have.
Ah , if only ejector seats had been invented way back in history , heroes from both sides of the fence may have survived way beyond those dark days of 1939 /1945
He was.... eccentric. Lived life to fullest. Party all night ,then fight the RAF in the morning. Had his own " uniform dress code". Long hair for the time. Insubordinate at times. Had his own black South African valet and chauffeur and best friend. BUT, all in all, A DAMN GOOD FIGHTER PILOT.
This title sucks, this dude wasn't creepy. He's probably one of the bravest, most skilled warriors to ever live. He'd have done absolutely anything for his friends, and he demonstrated those facts countless times. God absolutely loved this dude.
Creepy for his adversaries.
He was "creepy" good. I'm surprised I've never heard of this guy. Like Erik Hartman, or Manfred Von Richtoven
Agreed!
The moniker "creepiest" describes something that is not spoken but implied. Stopping to "relieve himself" mentioned toward the beginning of the video is not referencing what one would immediately think it means. Let's just say that he was not filtering fine German lager.
Isn’t it amazing that in any culture or country, countless times we have men and women who are on the wilder side and have unique intelligence and qualities, completely do their own thing and who are not cookie cutter. Yet these people have amazing accomplishments, and it’s easy to find examples of people like this throughout history
!(: Hehehe, WELL SAID ;)!
Having flown for the USMC for twenty years, you're statement is very true. What is also true is that these non conformists don't last in a peace time military. I don't think Marseille would have stayed in the Luftwaffe but for his obvious talents as a war time pilot.
One of my best friends when I lived in Germany was Manfred Schoenfeld who was a squadron mate and sometimes wing man to the "Star of Africa" when he was with Jg27
A gentleman in a very difficult position in his time of life. To be admired as a Supreme pilot. CHEERS + thanks
Completely asinine title. Do better next time.
a) you clicked on it
b) complain to YT as creators will do what is best for the algorithm
c) you lookin foolish sayin nonsense
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a) invalid
b) invalid
c) and invalid
It a completely apt title. Get a better hero.
@@jerichothirteen1134 why creepy ? he was not
@@offlimits4635 no empathy. No remorse. Despised by his fellow comrades and leadership. Womanising rich brat. He was an addict and no more brave than heroin user is.
Was waiting for the "creepy" part that never came.
I knew him so well but the hard part is I won't show the JG-27 unit emblem to anyone even dating girls who not familiar with Luftwaffe marking.
Rather shocked about what this video revealed about Hans-Joachim Marseille (kudos to Dark Docs), and how closely his abilities and conduct paralleled another great ace, the Canadian "Buzz" Beurling who ended the war as one of the top Allied fighter aces with some 33 kills. Both were renowned for their ability for deflection shooting and, apparently, their shocking disregard for fellow pilots. Buzz Beurling would basically take a snap shot at anything flying in front of him, friend or foe. At least Marseilles just ignored his wingmen and went about his hunting. Beurling was hated by fellow pilots as being as much as a menace to his squadron mates as the enemy and eventually was grounded when everyone refused to fly with him in the air.
Upvoted for historical value.
Brings to mind the movie, Blue Max.
An incredible man.
Undefeated.
Why was Marseille a creep?
Probably means scarily good.
They needed more click bait for the video
Click bait? Sounds like a cool guy to me. Other than his disregard for the other pilots in his squadron.
And he was on the wrong side.
I bet Marseille and Pappy Boynton would have been pals!
Maybe the video creator is gay.
Not that there's anything wrong with that...😂
Marseille was a bit of a bohemian and ladies' man. He shot down allied aircraft, not Russian Yaks on the eastern front. I love your videos, but I don't like this title. Marseille deserves a little more respect.
There's a great 1950s movie about him " Der Stern von Afrika"...the Luftwaffe bred dozens of fighter pilots of his caliber....but the long war bled the Fighter arm white...so that by the time US Fighters ventured over Germany the bulk of the Fighters they faced were 18 year old fresh pilots with 8 flight hours... I want to say Marseille still holds the record for the most single day kills...
The ultimate crucible and test, but to have such men kill each other is also a crime
Good story...lousy title.
Does it bother anyone else's OCD when you see zoomed in footage of machine gun or canonns firing and you see the wall paper flapping in the wind and overpressure from barrels? Just me?
It became common for the Armores to put tape over the freshly loaded wing guns to keep them clean until used and later to show which gun did not fire ! But yes they keep showing the same film clip over and over !
Now I know where the movie 'Top Gun' comes from. "Never leave your wing man'''
Wow what a man … bravo 👏
Good video!😊 I would say "unconventional", not "creepy"....basically making his opponent "walk" into his bullets...
Master of the art of deflection shooting. He would fire in front of a turning aircraft so the bullets would hit the enemy as it got farther into the turn
there is a west german cold war movie about this guy the sta of frica
Yes, with Joachim Hansen as Marseille. Hansen also played in another West German movie on Stalingrad :
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Why the Creepiest headline as this ace seemed to be both a man and great pilot?
Good story. Thanks for sharing it.
Why have you called him "creepy"? Is it purely just for clickbait?
3:58- I think that's Galland's 109.
Marseilles has been one of my heroes since youth; he brought Michael Jordan level athleticism to air combat. Suave , rebellious & defiant, he also had a genius level skill born in for deflection shooting. He once wiped kut an entire lufberry of hawkers with tactics used later by the USAF boom & zoom era pilots. He was a madman but chilled witn American jazz albums & dames. He loved his mom & while he was a German military officer , he held no strong empathy for the evils of the Nazis he flew for. This was a serious pilot who was the 1930s equivalent of a rock star.
( he apparently has been given the description as ' creepy ' because in this fake tan society combined with the photos of him from the 30s and 40s which are already washed out and often water colored , black and white photos , together with Marseilles greased back jazz haircut and his white pale complexion it kind of gives him an Addams Family, vampire look ... but , dude was drip. he would wear tennis shoes in combat to maintain better control over his rudder pedals)
Sounds like the bloke was a bit of a Superstar !
I wonder whose decision put him in the unreliable plane?
It was ordered by his commander after Marseille refused several times.
@@barryh3547 Neumann?
It’s strange that Marseille preferred the Bf109F which was considered weak, to the Bf109G that was nicknamed ‘Gustav the Killer’
@@minhthunguyendang9900 Well, I have not that deep of a dive, but since reality is a bit much these days i might and come back with an answer. Was this in the video and I missed it, or were you already a afficiando of this subject?
My first find - but seems to have little do do with my original question. Why would a decision be made to send him up in a nororius engine failure plane. But here is info from my preliminary search - The main difference between the F and G was the bigger DB 605 engine which turned out to be a disaster because of materials shortages and poor choices, a failed engine, in fact, which took the better part of a year to finally sort out, plus it was also considerably heavier than the F, another negative.Jul 20, 2023
Good Stuff ; @ DD .
I wonder if this a distant relitive. Looks just like me
Unbeatable NO exceptional YES
CAlling nazi a person who very well might have not been one is quite offensive, if you are going to call people names, at least have the decency of providing prove
He may have had girlfriends everywhere, but judging by the photos, he definitely wasn't very picky. 😂
You never mentioned strafing outside his COs tent 😂
I went to tech school with a Nam-era F4 pilot. Ever since stories of pilots in combat have had a more poignant reality for me.
Never give an ACE an unproven aircraft
Though the knights cross oak leaves sword and diamonds is a prestigious award, I'm surprised he didn't get the pour le mérite.
The military Pour Le Mérite established by the King of Prussia, once the Kaiser abdicated in 1918, no more Blue Max for anybody
@@pommunist okay.... Got it thank you.
@@robbiebob6267 No worries mate
Is this what the movie "The Blue Max" as written about?
Wrong war.
The greatest ace of all time : fix the damn title dark
Love that smile we’d be friends.
Relieve himself means piss.
It's a great title.....fffftt....
ARE THEY EVEN WINGMEN IF THEY CANT KEEP UP SOUNDS LIKE DEAD WEIGHT TO ME
13:00 I heard a story from an American fighter pilot who struck both wing spars on the German fighter causing the wings to fold up over the cockpit, trapping the pilot inside. The last view of the doomed pilot beating on the canopy in desperation as the plane hit the ground.
In his book Saburō Sakai described shooting down an American bomber. He saw the four man crew escape the aircraft alive then watched in horror as each man was attacked and eaten by sharks.
Wait! Wasn’t he in “Inglorious Bastards”?
He was a guy at the WW2.
A Teutonic knight of the sky
He kinda looks like a young Harvey Keitel.
Dude must have been a duck hunter.
The eccentric n feared ace of WW2.
He's still alive and well - works under the name "Riaan Cruywagen" here in South Africa. Check him out.
THE ONLY RULE IS TO WIN, HE DIDNT ABANDON ANYTHING
I think in every group there's one of these guys. However demons like people victims who are famous whose death would cause the most grief they feed on that grief
Creepy how? Dude was obviously a giga chad of his time.
Creepy? Maybe you're the CREEP. How dare you disrespect this legend with your CLICKBAIT rhetoric. 🤬
Can't work as a squad, unreliable, and ego driven, untrustworthy, no one wanted to fly with him. Sounds like an officer to me. Definite creep.
Lol okay, what was the original title? It has obviously been changed 😅
Sounds like me
swing kid joins the luftwaffe
And the English Air Force used deflection shooting
O thought a unit was a schvance
😃😃😃 Interesting, I don't know about Marseille, but the narrator sounds kinda creepy
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sure Queen
His first name is Hans.
His stint with the Jazz music makes me wonder if the crash was an accident or ... 'punishment'.
i doubt it the early 109 g series had lots of teething problems and most pilots didnt want to switch to them they had an engine with more power and could climb faster but were a good deal heavier than the f series and no where near as maneuverable couple that with the unreliable engines and i would say its not much of an advantage to go from f series to g series it wasnt until late g series models that it would be worth the trade as they got more potent armament and a much more powerful engine that was tuned for high altitude where they faced most american bombers and escorts
The name is pronounced Mar-sey-yey(Marseille).
Many ME109 models F’s and up, we’re actually manufactured, and all or in part, I concentration camp labour. It would not surprise me that the engine of his aircraft had been sabotaged.
That would have been the time that i would love to live in
Constantly leaving your wingman is pretty creepy ? IDK but it doesn't sound right? ✌️
Hans “Hangman” Marseille
Why is the thumbnail a Ronny Nazi Dio Album cover from the 1939 release?
...AUSGEZEICHNET!!!!!!!
Downvoted for bad title.
you get an upvote for the downvote
Woopdee do
Same.
An invisable vote.
@@danbunge9787 It's 2024 and someone doesn't know there's a plugin to make votes visible.
Apparently not being a virgin at 30 makes you a "creep" these days..
I don't know why creeps is in the title.
Seventeen victories in one day? I don't buy it.
How was any of that "creepy"?
Because he boned a lot of women. That's creepy to Dark Skies, who is gay.
All i see here is a gifted maverick, reckless but amazing pilot .SWEET FA creepy about him .
Would have been a movie star had he survived the war.
He was a true gamer
A fighter pilot in a real war. In war, you die, you die. That's all. The end. No reset. Not a game.
@@TCW838there was the story about an Ukrainian Bradley ifv tank that destroyed a Russian main battle tank. The gunner said in an interview later that he played Warthunder a lot, that's why he knew the weak parts of the enemy tank.
@@GAPphp amazing just like ghost of kiev
@GAPphp The US trains many troops in sims as well. Drone pilots fly from set up that are essentially huge sims, but are very different and often lethal. Gaming helps in training and competency, even expertise. But, training isn't war. War isn't gaming. War is lethal.
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A great warrior that does NOT deserve the title "creepy"! Please do not sink to the click bait style...
Yeah he was creepy AF. Look at that smile. Ffs.
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@@user-pn3im5sm7k I'm Colombian? Lol. You are not even a real person.
@@user-pn3im5sm7k wtf? Its you who are in love with the creepy Nazi dude 🤣
@@user-pn3im5sm7k u ❤ creepy Nazis 😃
Mister, you blew the title/caption of this video. Nothing creepy about him.
Dark5 guy… Just once, do me this favor… Do a new video about ancient human sacrifice rituals and just do creepy text that fades in and out, like the good ol’ days…
1.12 MILLION subs and you start using click bait titles?
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😂😂 damn,comments section triggered by the title,that’s hilarious and for that I give it a thumbs up
🤣🤣 me, too!
True, so many closet queens
How was he creepy?! 😅
That smile for a start. An arrogant womanising negligent killer. No one wanted to fly with him cause he was a pompous creep. Watch the video.
Sorry I must have missed the part that made him creepy. This guys channels are going to shit.
Creepy? Had more class than anyone alive at the time
You use #99 grade lube?
As soon as they fired the plane up and with flat out pervetin Dj onthe attack