I’d love to know which parts are backwards compatible. Like the mudguards or roller wheels. Some of these changes look like genuine design improvements, not just weight saving measures. Also, are the pedals unchanged? No mention here - unless I missed it!
The bearings on Brompton’s standard right-hand pedal are in my experience of poor durability. My solution has been to swap the right-hand pedal for something more durable. And given all the quirks of the Brompton anyway, any mis-match of pedal style/form is of little consequence really. In contrast, the folding left-hand pedal seems to be well engineered with proper bearings! I am more than happy with the folding one🙂
Yes, I would like to know, also, especially the wheels and mudguards. Thank you for asking this and I look forward to learning if they will be. Btw, I have 2 of these pedals and love them, one in black for my flame lacquer and one in silver for my older raw lacquer: MKS Pedal SYLVAN TOURING NEXT Ezy Superior.
I purchased a P-line. Observations/changes made include: 1- The 3-roller design has poor rolling performance ( the 4-rollers rack is needed ). 2- The continental tires are the best option. Use Stans tire sealant for peace of mind, and 95 PSI for pedaling efficiency. 3- The four derailleur gears lack a lower gear that allows for fast speed. A front crank with a larger sprocket is needed. 4- The handlebar grips also need to be changed, too small for big hands. Thank you for your videos.
Thank you for your review. This new line is a small step to modernize the Brompton brand and I can't wait for your test ride. I am secretly hoping they also release a new model with more than 6 speeds.
@@brilliantbikes Road tests of the Ti bikes please.... perhaps a group test there's more than one I think, I'm sure Brompton will oblige, use some of that charm on them!
This is one of the best review I’ve see for this Brompton Model. You did a fantastic job. I know the T is coming out soon I can wait for you to review it. Thank you again for a great video .Happy New Year
I always love your review and many of the video guides. The "British" style explanation is what draws me to it. It is detailed, not too fast, and with very clear description of what is intended. After watching all your video, I start to upgrade the brompton myself and I find another dimension of joy doing it. No more paying people to change this and that. - THANK YOU!
Bromptons are obviously the bees knees of small folding bikes. (actually have seen some other uber cool bikes in this category), however, purchased a Reid branded bike from a bike shop of that name in Melbourne for $349 AUD. I'm upgrading a few parts, and funnily enough going to fit BMX forks, stem and bars to it, and a 10 speed drive train and lighter wheelset to it. Even stock, the bike is okay. I put it in the back of my Toyota Echo hatchback , drive to where I want to go, then whip it out, unfold it and ride it. I'm rapt with my purchase and can slowly upgrade, yet still enjoy it in it's current form. Cheers!
This P line is exciting! As usual, you did an excellent job of articulating the differences between this and the C line. I'm doing some updates on my "old" 2012-2013 Brommie ... but I may stop short of where I'd planned to go and start putting money aside for a new P model. Thank you for the always excellent videos! :)
Was wondering if you could make a video on how to set up the gears for the advance derailleur on the P line. Mine seems to be skipping quite a bit as i ride
Such a tease! Waiting for delivery of mine (same spec as the one you reviewed) I learned so much more from your video than from the Brompton website. I’m hoping with you having one to review that it shouldn’t be long 😄
How am I going explain to my partner that I want to buy this beauty when I have perfectly functioning Brompton at home already? It is a beautiful Brompton! Thank you for video 🙂
Happy New Year! Hmmm it’s lighter so easier for the commute? It won’t strain your back? We are lucky we have to try and keep the bike collection down…. But can find reasons for a new one… Thank you for watching
@@brilliantbikes It would be nice if you can make a video about riding P line compare to C line. You do excellent job with your videos! However outtakes are the best 🙂!
A challenge for any derailleur system on small-wheeled bikes is its proximity to the ground and the consequent assault from road dirt/grit/water. Please update us in due course how well the P Line 4-speed system fares in this regard 🙂 In context, on my 2018 M6L, it was the derailleur changer that very soon (within only a couple of winter weeks) gave me problems and a disappointment. However, this problem prompted me to come up with a home-brew solution - by making a bigger front mud flap. This reduces the amount of bad stuff getting to the critical parts of the mechanism. I cut a new flap from semi-stiff plastic such as one finds in the separators in some “ring-binder” folders. The plastic is a fair bit stiffer than the Brompton flap so it holds shape well, but not so stiff as to compromise the fold. My flap is 5cm longer than the standard flap which means it is 7cm clearance from the road rather than the yawning 12cm, and I find this is really effective at keeping things cleaner. This is something anyone could make up themselves. It also helps to keep my feet drier 🙂 A great vid btw, plenty of interesting and informative content, well produced! 👍
All this re-design looks very promising for the future Brompton models. Maybeeee they will start implementing a few of these changes to the regular line. Having a lighter foldable bike never hurt anybody.
Hi, I'm going to buy P line urban at the end of this month. Is there any potential problems arising from the gears slipping or needing more adjustment please?
So far we have not had any issues with the gearing on our P Line. We actually find the rear wheel easier to change than the hub gears. Thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikes thinking of going for a c line explore as would like the 6 gears and versatility etc trying to decide if a p line really is worth the extra costs
really enjoying my p-line .... starting to get very competitive when accelerating away from lights when on London. looking at titanium/carbon upgrades to reduce the weight further.
@@brilliantbikes goo ride what you waiting for😁🤩🤩 do you do a comapre video between P Line and C line Black Edition I don't know wich I should choose and on 19.01 come NEW BROMPTON T Line!!!!!! it will be hard to choose!!!! this will be my first Bromii🤩🥳🤩
Hope them new mudguards become available to buy alone to swap out my m6L they look a lot better and the roller is a welcome upgrade. Wouldn’t mind the easy wheels too
Hello, What a fantastic review of the P-line bike. I love the new 4 speed invention I think it give someone the opportunity to have more options when purchasing a brompton.
Is there anything that’s is better on the C line over P if I’m OK with the cost? For example are they sacrificing anything like strength and durability for weight?
Good question! It depends what you are looking for. I’ve been impressed with the lightness of the P Line, but you loose the ease of the hub gears, and some of the range. I also think for longevity the hub gears are amazing, and TBH not tested the 4 speed for long enough to compare.
@@brilliantbikes Thanks! After asking the question I also found people talking about the gear range being a major factor. I do use the slowest gear on my current 8 speed folding bike. Looks like the C would be better for me.
I love your videos. I hope for a review of the latest P Line Explore 12 Speed with test drive. It's easier now to choose a brompton because of your reviews. I'm from the Philippines. 😊
I wonder if you can help. I got the P line and when folded it does not want to roll at all. Think the brakes are pulled and front wheel rolls, plus mine comes with schrader
Many thanks for watching. Have you tried the seat post pulled up slightly? As the stopping block is different on the P Line, as long as the seat post is in contact with the stopping block, the frame will be locked. You can then tip it on the rear wheels and roll it. The schrader vales are as the newer P Line wheels use the C Line rims, so need a Schrader valve not the Presta as in the original video we posted.
@@brilliantbikes ok thanks for reply. Keep up the good work. I did spot someone had made one of these by 3D printing even before the P line was announced. Just need to find it I think is was on Reddit.
are there any differences between the 2022 & 2023 p-line ? Looking at my first Brompton after my Airminal was stolen. I know i'll have a lot of carrying to do so the weight saving over the cheaper c line is quite important.
Thanks for the question (and sorry to hear about your Airminal) Basically no - not even the colours Longer answer: There were some early P Line (the first batch) which had aero type rims though these changed to the standard C Line rims (still with the lightweight hubs and 20 spokes on the front) for batch 2 onwards The saddle has been variable due to supply chain issues - though a lot of people will put on a preferred saddle anyway. As of early 2023 they are coming with a Fizik Alliante R7 Initially there was a choice of Marathon Racer / Continental Contact Urban or Schwalbe One Black tyres from the factory Now they are all configured with Continental Contact Urban - though these can of course he changed
They are great fun. We would always recommend test riding one. You may need to find your local Brompton dealer on the store locator, link as follows: www.brompton.com/find-a-store Thank you for watching!
Thank you for the great detailed info on the P line! I like a 44t chainring. Can I install one on the P line, and will the chain catcher move down to accommodate it?
Oh it depends on budget! I think I prefer the look of the P Line. But the T Line is so new it does have the extra cool factor. It comes down to personal choice! But if you can I’d try and ride one. Thanks for watching and the the question!
This will be a perfect companion for my heavily modified b75, stone grey ideally but I will change the mudguards to a grey colour coded carbon fibre mudguards…..thanks for sharing
Thank you for the videos and I enjoyed all of them very much. I like to request whether you can make a comparison of the C-Line Vs P-Line or T-Line on the gear systems. Many thanks.
Many thanks for watching and for the question. We have not seen the new A Line, but it’s just a different colour from the B75 and we really like them. It’s a great entry to the Brompton family.
Ooohhh good question. It really depends what you are planning to do with the bike. I really like the lightness of it, so great for commuting! If possible I would try to demo one to see how you find it. Thanks for the question and for watching!
Sorry I am slow -does the new gearing give the same bottom line options as the current 6-speed option? Also do you think the new design involving the re-designed rear triangle and gearing will trickle down to the non-titanium version? Thanks
Do you have any spare p line saddle to sell or do you know any place where I can get them? Brompton only ships the fitzik aliante saddle at the moment with its p line
Thanks for all your great videos! The axle that the tensioner cog moves on seems vulnerable to contamination by road grit while riding. Wonder how well it will work.
After a 100 miles on my new P line I can confirm it doesn’t get much dirtier than the chain or any other sprocket. Just clean it along with the rest of the drivetrain during maintenance
The Z line can easily be distinguished from the Y line as it's special nut is black not silver. Not to be confused with the W line which has extra large nut or the X line which has no nuts at all. Simples.
very thorough. I wonder if a model will be made with a 44-tooth crank to reduce the low gear ratio a bit, hopefully making pedaling a little bit easier. I’’ve seen a couple models that did this, but not recently.
Lovely review. May I know if the Brompton Rack Bag will fit on the roller-frame (rack) version of the P-Line? The new P-Line rack seems shorter than the C-Line ones.
At last a really new step up in design and tech, obviously as a result of user feedback, good. Now work to cut weight from the 'electric'. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Thanks for the question It really depends upon your riding style / flexibility All models should work but probably at your height you’d need a telescopic seat post You should try a demo bike at your local dealer (or us)
And my older model 2019 LightweightM6LXBrompton, with some modifications and updates, and still some room for becoming lighter (and with the original mudguards), for now weighs 9,35 kilo! But it seems that Brompton has done some homework to make the bike better and lighter. Are the new titanium-bike type hinges also used on this bike? Finn. Denmark
Many thanks for the question and for watching. We hope to be able to make some ride videos, but I think from the gearing, I would rather the range of a 6 speed to take on the bigger climbs. But the lightweight would be an advantage.
HAPPY 2022! I think this is a long awaited video :) Is this "lower stop device" retro compatible with the traditional frame? It seems that for this new stop to work properly in "shopping mode", an extended seatpost is a better choice to be able to push the bike when locked.
Thanks for watching and the question The main frame and the stem are still steel The newly announced T Line will be all titanium We will do a review on that as soon as we can get our hands on one - though that could be a while!
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For me it's like having a b-side kind of Diana Rigg talking about Brompton matters, just love her!
Thank you!
Finally a proper detailed video on the P line! Awesome and thanks for this :)
Many thanks for watching and your nice comment.
Love my Firehouse red Brompton... Makes me feel awesome every time I ride it then gently place it in the back of my Prius Prime!
That so just make you smile don’t they! Our home ones have their house in the sitting room!
Thank you for watching!
I’d love to know which parts are backwards compatible. Like the mudguards or roller wheels. Some of these changes look like genuine design improvements, not just weight saving measures.
Also, are the pedals unchanged? No mention here - unless I missed it!
Good question, we will do an update when we know more!
Thank you for watching!
The bearings on Brompton’s standard right-hand pedal are in my experience of poor durability. My solution has been to swap the right-hand pedal for something more durable. And given all the quirks of the Brompton anyway, any mis-match of pedal style/form is of little consequence really.
In contrast, the folding left-hand pedal seems to be well engineered with proper bearings! I am more than happy with the folding one🙂
Yes, I would like to know, also, especially the wheels and mudguards. Thank you for asking this and I look forward to learning if they will be. Btw, I have 2 of these pedals and love them, one in black for my flame lacquer and one in silver for my older raw lacquer: MKS Pedal SYLVAN TOURING NEXT Ezy Superior.
Really pleased to see your comparison and review. Looking forward to your riding the new P.
Many thanks for watching! Yes we can’t wait to ride it either!
Once again, you did a fine job of articulating the features of this new model.
Thank you from California.
Thank you so much, and thank you for watching!
I purchased a P-line. Observations/changes made include:
1- The 3-roller design has poor rolling performance ( the 4-rollers rack is needed ).
2- The continental tires are the best option. Use Stans tire sealant for peace of mind, and 95 PSI for pedaling efficiency.
3- The four derailleur gears lack a lower gear that allows for fast speed. A front crank with a larger sprocket is needed.
4- The handlebar grips also need to be changed, too small for big hands.
Thank you for your videos.
3. You mean it lacks HIGHER gear
I like how you clearly were able to describe the differences between the regular brompton and this new p line. Good video.
Many thanks! And thank you for watching!
I can see someone buying one of these and placing a rack, a brooks saddle and a loaded up carrier bag to undo all this amazing redesign.
Great video.
Many thanks for watching!
We don’t think the current Brompton rack would fit…. So perhaps this might limit the chances of this!
Ahh but all this weight saving offsets the touring add ons.
Thank you for your review. This new line is a small step to modernize the Brompton brand and I can't wait for your test ride. I am secretly hoping they also release a new model with more than 6 speeds.
Thank you so much for watching. It really is impressive! Can’t wait to ride it!
Can relate to the gears, but hope for a nobbyish tire first.
Your out-takes are the best….it’s really a lot harder to make a video than most think and you make it look very easy!
Thank you so much! And thank you for watching!
Haven't watched these for a bit but what fun!
Welcome back and thank you for watching!
@@brilliantbikes Road tests of the Ti bikes please.... perhaps a group test there's more than one I think, I'm sure Brompton will oblige, use some of that charm on them!
Nice. Top tip for existing bike owners - use a telescopic seat post for same shopping trolley experience
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This is one of the best review I’ve see for this Brompton Model. You did a fantastic job. I know the T is coming out soon I can wait for you to review it. Thank you again for a great video .Happy New Year
Thank you so much for your kind comments, and thank you for watching!
Hate the mudguards on my M6R, prone to rubbing on the front wheel, wonder if the new mudguards carry over to old Bromptons
Thumbs up - and for Brompton for aggressively attacking a previous weakness! Great! I'm excited!
Many thanks for watching! We are really excited to ride it as well!
This is very useful. How are you finding the p line bike on low hills?
I always love your review and many of the video guides. The "British" style explanation is what draws me to it. It is detailed, not too fast, and with very clear description of what is intended. After watching all your video, I start to upgrade the brompton myself and I find another dimension of joy doing it. No more paying people to change this and that. - THANK YOU!
Thank you for watching! And for your lovely comments. Hope you have fun!
Bromptons are obviously the bees knees of small folding bikes. (actually have seen some other uber cool bikes in this category), however, purchased a Reid branded bike from a bike shop of that name in Melbourne for $349 AUD. I'm upgrading a few parts, and funnily enough going to fit BMX forks, stem and bars to it, and a 10 speed drive train and lighter wheelset to it. Even stock, the bike is okay.
I put it in the back of my Toyota Echo hatchback , drive to where I want to go, then whip it out, unfold it and ride it.
I'm rapt with my purchase and can slowly upgrade, yet still enjoy it in it's current form. Cheers!
Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the sharing. I would like to see how the new locking system works when it folded without the stopper.
This one actually solves a lot of old problems that lead people modding their Brompton, only downside I can think of is the dull color option
Ah but the two colours are all sparkly and rather cool!
Thank you for watching!
This P line is exciting! As usual, you did an excellent job of articulating the differences between this and the C line. I'm doing some updates on my "old" 2012-2013 Brommie ... but I may stop short of where I'd planned to go and start putting money aside for a new P model. Thank you for the always excellent videos! :)
Thank you so much for your kind comments! And thank you for watching!
Excellent video. Thanks!! Brompton continuing it’s endless thoughtful evolutionary saga 🥰
Many thanks for watching. It’s a great evolution!
Love the outtakes!!!!
Thank you so much for watching all the way through!
your the best, thank you for the bike chat.
Thank you for watching (again) and for your nice comment.
I bet you have sold out already!!! Keep em coming for 2022 xx
I think they were sold long before we had them arrive! But they are lovely!
Thank you for watching!
Was wondering if you could make a video on how to set up the gears for the advance derailleur on the P line. Mine seems to be skipping quite a bit as i ride
You have provided one of the best detailed reviews on the innovations made by the P line. I cannot get it here. BUt it seems it is beautiful.
Thank you so much for your lovely comment! And for watching. Hopefully you will be able to get it soon!
Great vlog as always very clearly describing all the changes to the new P Line. The bike looks awesome.
Thank you for your lovely comments, and thank you for watching!
Such a tease! Waiting for delivery of mine (same spec as the one you reviewed) I learned so much more from your video than from the Brompton website.
I’m hoping with you having one to review that it shouldn’t be long 😄
Many thanks for watching, so glad it was useful. They are lovely, worth the wait!
Absolutely brilliant bike
Thank you, and thank you for watching!
How am I going explain to my partner that I want to buy this beauty when I have perfectly functioning Brompton at home already? It is a beautiful Brompton! Thank you for video 🙂
Happy New Year!
Hmmm it’s lighter so easier for the commute? It won’t strain your back?
We are lucky we have to try and keep the bike collection down…. But can find reasons for a new one…
Thank you for watching
Love to see how you’ll sell her that 😂🤣
@@brilliantbikes It would be nice if you can make a video about riding P line compare to C line. You do excellent job with your videos! However outtakes are the best 🙂!
A challenge for any derailleur system on small-wheeled bikes is its proximity to the ground and the consequent assault from road dirt/grit/water. Please update us in due course how well the P Line 4-speed system fares in this regard 🙂
In context, on my 2018 M6L, it was the derailleur changer that very soon (within only a couple of winter weeks) gave me problems and a disappointment. However, this problem prompted me to come up with a home-brew solution - by making a bigger front mud flap. This reduces the amount of bad stuff getting to the critical parts of the mechanism. I cut a new flap from semi-stiff plastic such as one finds in the separators in some “ring-binder” folders. The plastic is a fair bit stiffer than the Brompton flap so it holds shape well, but not so stiff as to compromise the fold. My flap is 5cm longer than the standard flap which means it is 7cm clearance from the road rather than the yawning 12cm, and I find this is really effective at keeping things cleaner. This is something anyone could make up themselves. It also helps to keep my feet drier 🙂
A great vid btw, plenty of interesting and informative content, well produced! 👍
Thank you for watching. We will be monitoring the performance and will report back 😀
Old cylindrical washing up bottles were good for home made mudguard flaps!
Does the toolkit still have all the tools to maintain the p line?
Love your review, so patient, detailed and educational
Thank you and thank you for watching!
What % gear ratio had a previous hub? I am thinking a sturmey archer 6 gear . I live in chile, here we have many hills
It is a narrower range, but the lightness makes up for it a lot.
Probably get a 44t chainring
Incremental improvements. You should see some of the Brompton inspired bikes from PRC..wow. Full carbon.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. We agree they are well tested incremental improvements 😀
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Thank you for watching!
All this re-design looks very promising for the future Brompton models. Maybeeee they will start implementing a few of these changes to the regular line. Having a lighter foldable bike never hurt anybody.
Fingers crossed. Thanks for watching!
Hi, I'm going to buy P line urban at the end of this month. Is there any potential problems arising from the gears slipping or needing more adjustment please?
So far we have not had any issues with the gearing on our P Line. We actually find the rear wheel easier to change than the hub gears.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome channel excellent descriptions looking at purchasing your first Brompton 👍🤩🚴 subscribed will be watching lots more of your vids
So glad it helps! If you have any questions, just let us know!
Thank you for watching!
@@brilliantbikes thinking of going for a c line explore as would like the 6 gears and versatility etc trying to decide if a p line really is worth the extra costs
@@n22pdf I find the gear range too low. I have a 2012 M6R with titanium parts (& 6 gears, 12% lower); live in New York USA.
really enjoying my p-line .... starting to get very competitive when accelerating away from lights when on London.
looking at titanium/carbon upgrades to reduce the weight
further.
They are such fun and quick away from the lights! The T Line crank set looks like a nice upgrade 😀
Hi, I'm going to buy one of these in a few months, would the P clip accept a Brooks saddle on it please?
Thanks for watching
Yes - in fact Brompton often Brooks saddles with special edition versions
finally sombody do a review about the p line! very good review,👍👍👌👌when comes the video about test ride? best regards
Many thanks for watching! I know I can’t wait to ride one!
@@brilliantbikes goo ride what you waiting for😁🤩🤩 do you do a comapre video between P Line and C line Black Edition I don't know wich I should choose and on 19.01 come NEW BROMPTON T Line!!!!!! it will be hard to choose!!!! this will be my first Bromii🤩🥳🤩
Excellent film. Thank you.
Thank you for your comment and for watching 😀
Thank you! I like these, I think I'll pick one up from you later this spring, supply permitting! I'll phone the shop first.
Thanks for watching! They are proving very very popular!
Hope them new mudguards become available to buy alone to swap out my m6L they look a lot better and the roller is a welcome upgrade. Wouldn’t mind the easy wheels too
Thank you - very clear and comprehensive. You have excellent diction.
Thank you so much, and thank you for watching!
Thank you for an an excellent review. This bike has some interesting changes and, well, the gray and black are visually appealing IMO.
Many thanks for your lovely comment, and thank you for watching! The colours do look great!
That fringe keeps getting into your eyes 🙂
Lovely that P-line. Can't wait watching the test-ride review.
I know my fringe was driving me crazy! Hair cut day today!
We can’t wait for the test ride either!
Hello, What a fantastic review of the P-line bike. I love the new 4 speed invention I think it give someone the opportunity to have more options when purchasing a brompton.
The four speed looks great! Can’t wait to see how it rides!
Great job introducing the P line!👍🎉⚡️
Thank you and thank you for watching. We are impressed at all the changes and how light it is!
Is there anything that’s is better on the C line over P if I’m OK with the cost? For example are they sacrificing anything like strength and durability for weight?
Good question! It depends what you are looking for. I’ve been impressed with the lightness of the P Line, but you loose the ease of the hub gears, and some of the range. I also think for longevity the hub gears are amazing, and TBH not tested the 4 speed for long enough to compare.
@@brilliantbikes Thanks! After asking the question I also found people talking about the gear range being a major factor. I do use the slowest gear on my current 8 speed folding bike. Looks like the C would be better for me.
I love your videos. I hope for a review of the latest P Line Explore 12 Speed with test drive. It's easier now to choose a brompton because of your reviews. I'm from the Philippines. 😊
Many thanks for watching! The 12 speed is on the list!
I am thinking of getting a P Line for touring, but how does it compare to my M6R?
I wonder if you can help. I got the P line and when folded it does not want to roll at all. Think the brakes are pulled and front wheel rolls, plus mine comes with schrader
Many thanks for watching. Have you tried the seat post pulled up slightly? As the stopping block is different on the P Line, as long as the seat post is in contact with the stopping block, the frame will be locked. You can then tip it on the rear wheels and roll it.
The schrader vales are as the newer P Line wheels use the C Line rims, so need a Schrader valve not the Presta as in the original video we posted.
Can I add the new bottom stop to an older super light rear end?
Many thanks for the question and for watching.
We are almost certain that no it would not be possible.
@@brilliantbikes ok thanks for reply. Keep up the good work. I did spot someone had made one of these by 3D printing even before the P line was announced. Just need to find it I think is was on Reddit.
are there any differences between the 2022 & 2023 p-line ? Looking at my first Brompton after my Airminal was stolen. I know i'll have a lot of carrying to do so the weight saving over the cheaper c line is quite important.
Thanks for the question (and sorry to hear about your Airminal)
Basically no - not even the colours
Longer answer:
There were some early P Line (the first batch) which had aero type rims though these changed to the standard C Line rims (still with the lightweight hubs and 20 spokes on the front) for batch 2 onwards
The saddle has been variable due to supply chain issues - though a lot of people will put on a preferred saddle anyway. As of early 2023 they are coming with a Fizik Alliante R7
Initially there was a choice of Marathon Racer / Continental Contact Urban or Schwalbe One Black tyres from the factory
Now they are all configured with Continental Contact Urban - though these can of course he changed
@@brilliantbikes thanks for the reply. I'll (hopefully) be along soon to purchase one.
Are these bicycles popular in the USA? I ride a Trek hybrid Verve 3 bike in an XL size.. do you think I would I be comfortable on a Brompton?
They are great fun. We would always recommend test riding one. You may need to find your local Brompton dealer on the store locator, link as follows:
www.brompton.com/find-a-store
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for the great detailed info on the P line! I like a 44t chainring. Can I install one on the P line, and will the chain catcher move down to accommodate it?
Many thanks for watching and for the question. Yes you can change the chainring, the chain catcher also moves.
I’m thinking of buying T line and I don’t know if i need to wait and think about buying P line instead or just go with the plan. Please advise
Oh it depends on budget! I think I prefer the look of the P Line. But the T Line is so new it does have the extra cool factor.
It comes down to personal choice! But if you can I’d try and ride one.
Thanks for watching and the the question!
Wish it had an outside indicator for when full
Great review and comparison! Love the sound check for the hub! Would love to see a T Line review as well.
Thank you for watching and the kind comment
You can be sure that as soon as we can get hold of a T Line we’ll be reviewing it!
Really good video! Many thanks.
Thank you for watching! And for the lovely comment!
This will be a perfect companion for my heavily modified b75, stone grey ideally but I will change the mudguards to a grey colour coded carbon fibre mudguards…..thanks for sharing
Thank you so much for watching.
We think they will make a great friend for any Brompton!
Is that the bronze sky color? With the leather saddle?
The Bronze Sky comes with the Superlight Brompton saddle as standard
Thanks for watching!
it seems that this is better in every way
Many thanks for watching. We agree it has lots of new areas! Kind of cool!
perfection-i want one!
We agree, they look lovely and so light!
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for the videos and I enjoyed all of them very much. I like to request whether you can make a comparison of the C-Line Vs P-Line or T-Line on the gear systems. Many thanks.
Many thanks for watching!
We are planning on making further P Line videos as soon as we get one to keep!
Wow that was so informative. I've wanted one for years but was always concerned about it handling my weight as I'm 6.2 and ate too many pies.
Many thanks for watching! Brompton recommend an upper weight limit of 110kg
Noticed the rear triangle has the protective layer for hook catcher. Is it by default?
Yes they arrive from Brompton with the protector on. We had just left it on.
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I was wondering what your opinion on the New A-Line Brompton is?
Many thanks for watching and for the question.
We have not seen the new A Line, but it’s just a different colour from the B75 and we really like them. It’s a great entry to the Brompton family.
Very nice presentation! Thanks for that! Are there some more colours planned?
Many thanks for watching and for your lovely comment. Sorry we just don’t know about the planned future colours.
Thanks for this wonderful video! Do you recommend spending the extra money to upgrade to P-Line?
Ooohhh good question. It really depends what you are planning to do with the bike. I really like the lightness of it, so great for commuting! If possible I would try to demo one to see how you find it. Thanks for the question and for watching!
I’m sensing another Brompton in my future.
We think they are lovely! Fun to ride as well!
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Sorry I am slow -does the new gearing give the same bottom line options as the current 6-speed option? Also do you think the new design involving the re-designed rear triangle and gearing will trickle down to the non-titanium version? Thanks
No. It only provide 4 gears, similar to the 3 speed gearing.
Sorry no idea about any changes to the standard Brompton.
@@brilliantbikes thanks
Do you have any spare p line saddle to sell or do you know any place where I can get them? Brompton only ships the fitzik aliante saddle at the moment with its p line
We know, there is a shortage of the P Line saddles. Hopefully they will come back into stock soon
What is the weight difference from a regular Brompton
@Art of Hookie how much does that 5lbs cost?
@Art of Hookie im just curious in the price difference for 5lbs, all of what you said can be done on any bike
Thanks for all your great videos! The axle that the tensioner cog moves on seems vulnerable to contamination by road grit while riding. Wonder how well it will work.
After a 100 miles on my new P line I can confirm it doesn’t get much dirtier than the chain or any other sprocket. Just clean it along with the rest of the drivetrain during maintenance
@@NationX Thanks! That’s good to know,especially since that design will be used for many years.
The Z line can easily be distinguished from the Y line as it's special nut is black not silver. Not to be confused with the W line which has extra large nut or the X line which has no nuts at all. Simples.
😂 lol! Thanks for making us laugh and for watching!
very thorough. I wonder if a model will be made with a 44-tooth crank to reduce the low gear ratio a bit, hopefully making pedaling a little bit easier. I’’ve seen a couple models that did this, but not recently.
Many thanks for watching and for the comment. It would be a simple change to lower the size of the chain ring.
Lovely review. May I know if the Brompton Rack Bag will fit on the roller-frame (rack) version of the P-Line? The new P-Line rack seems shorter than the C-Line ones.
I can’t wait for the T line
T line sounds amazing. probably astronomical in price
At last a really new step up in design and tech, obviously as a result of user feedback, good. Now work to cut weight from the 'electric'. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Happy New Year! Thank you for watching!
Interesting, but I'm still a great fan of internal hubs, having had many experiences of damaged derailers in transit
It’s funny I think there are a lot of people who prefer the hub gears! Limit screw what’s that….
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Your video was valuable to me only seconds in, when you held the bikes up so we could get a good look at the colors.
They are beautiful! I’ve seen some comments that people think the black and grey and boring! But they are all sparkly! So cool!
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Is there a pump in the P line ?
No. The P Line does not come with a pump, but the Brompton Lezyne pump fits perfectly.
Thank for watching and for the question.
Can you climb with this bike? Comparing with a 6 speed?
Many thanks for the suggestion! Oh I feel another hill climb coming on! 4 versus 6 speed!
Thank you and thank you for watching!
yeah, you can swap out a smaller front chainring, but the range is relatively limited (like a 3 speed BWR hub)
I have a flame red black edition are the wheel interchangeable
I’m 6’6” tall weigh 14 stone 10 pounds and would like to know which models I will fit old and new.
Thanks for the question
It really depends upon your riding style / flexibility
All models should work but probably at your height you’d need a telescopic seat post
You should try a demo bike at your local dealer (or us)
what is the weight difference between the old two speed cassette and new four speed cassette ?
I like the old "rack" - good job ;-)
And my older model 2019 LightweightM6LXBrompton, with some modifications and updates, and still some room for becoming lighter (and with the original mudguards), for now weighs 9,35 kilo! But it seems that Brompton has done some homework to make the bike better and lighter. Are the new titanium-bike type hinges also used on this bike? Finn. Denmark
Thanks for the question. No the P Line has aluminium hinge clamp plates and levers
Double butted spokes are not "made of three bits of metal", they are a single length of metal that is formed into the butted shape.
Wonder how this bike will be like on Mt. Ventoux. Or Stelvio...
I want one.
Many thanks for the question and for watching.
We hope to be able to make some ride videos, but I think from the gearing, I would rather the range of a 6 speed to take on the bigger climbs. But the lightweight would be an advantage.
I have found a chain-catcher for my a few years old Lightweight, and it functions fine.
It has 4 sprockets at the rear, but does the rear hub have have internal gears as well?
Thanks for the question. It has four derailleur gears, no hub gears.
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HAPPY 2022!
I think this is a long awaited video :)
Is this "lower stop device" retro compatible with the traditional frame?
It seems that for this new stop to work properly in "shopping mode", an extended seatpost is a better choice to be able to push the bike when locked.
Happy New Year and thank you for watching.
We are pretty certain it would not be backward compatible.
I shall find a way! :)
Is the centre part of the frame titanium too?
Thanks for watching and the question
The main frame and the stem are still steel
The newly announced T Line will be all titanium
We will do a review on that as soon as we can get our hands on one - though that could be a while!
Good type… very hansome 😊👍
We agree it’s a lovely bike, both technically and to look at!
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