My oldest daughter is 9 now. She has seen me use command line all her life. She used to say my dad has black screen with green letters, he's commanding! :)
My wife and daughter are kind of spoiled with me making sure Linux and Windows both just work for them and are clean and safe to use. The closest thing they've seen to a virus is Windows updates messing up things or bugs in Windows. Spoiled, I tell you.
@@GameLocadora I forget where I was reading the stats about this; but in game sales- Linux users actually pay more and pirate less than Windows users. (Like they were 4x more likely to pay for a game lol) They concluded it may have something to do with Linux users appreciating the devs, as well as having more money due to a free OS.
@@mashrienI understand your point, but I've talked about common programs, specially for editing images. By the way, I've talked about free programs, not piracy.
@@GameLocadora Which is an bullshit argument. As their software is one of the most pirated software on Windows. Also besides common Linux Users there are also companies which would using their software and of course pay for it. IMHO the real reason is that Adobe is not a very competent software company. If you consider all the bugs and security issues their software has. BTW: You kinda suggested piracy by talking about "digital property" and "won't pay" :)
The funny part is that nobody realises how powerful Wine is. The only case Wine cannot run a program is when the developers deliberately don't support it with DRM, anticheat etc. Which makes it 2x developers' fault.
I can relate. I believe I went straight from WordPerfect to OpenOffice if memory serves and from there to LibreOffice. When one of my previous employers insisted on MS Office use, I only used Outlook and bypassed the firewall to install LibreOffice. Our IT guy called me laughing and said he only used LibreOffice too. I got a lot of calls after that to help with software upgrades and installations as our corporate offices were more than 100 miles away (and my hours were cheaper).
I remember when I was a grad assistant back at the turn of the millennium. We GAs got deep discounts on Windows programmes. I paid $5 for Windows 98 SE (retail ~$100), $7 for MS Office Professional (retail $259), $8 for Corel WordPerfect Suite 8 (retail ~$60), and $85 for SPSS (retail >$200). It was all worth it then; they came in handy when I did research on housing prices and Churches. Later on, I was able to replicate the statistical work, first with MS Excel, then with OpenOffice/LibreOffice Calc with R (I was running SuSE Linux on the latter). I balked, though, at paying $100 for Adobe Photoshop--even if I would have gotten an 87% discount. So I got GIMP. As an aside, Shortly after learning how to use Calc with R, my father-in-law wanted to give copies of an old painting (19th century) of the area where he grew up (near Raton, NM) to friends and relatives. Unfortunately, the painting had faded, and, if separated from the glass, would have crumbled. So, his brother-in-law and I took several digital photos from several angles (so the glare would be in different spots of the picture!), then I used GIMP, first, to splice the photos to get rid of all the glare, then to restore the colour. I was very pleased with the results: It looks almost freshly done, aside from a very thin, barely visible line where I did some of the splicing. I use it sometimes, as a desktop wallpaper.
I have been a Windows user for most of my adult life. I ran my own MSP company and still consult in my spare time. I got into Apple for a couple of years, while it had its merits I had preferred using Windows until dare I say it Windows 10. I started dabbling into Linux starting mainly on Ubuntu & Linux Mint. I now run all of my computer labs solely on Linux Distro's. With one machine for my Windows use. What I had problems with I could always Google or use a forum to find a resolution. I came accross your channel, Distrotube & Joe Collins and they have been a breath of fresh air. Clear concise videos showing what, how to config & the merits of of each have been extremely inspirationl to me. I recommend to all of my colleagues to religiously watch the channel & I can happily report that quite a few family & friends have taken the leap & have not looked back. Individuals like yourself are a providing a great service to the "average" newb community & I.T. literate individuals alike. Keep up the great work.
The only complaint I have about Linux so far, compared to Windows, is that Mozilla and Google still haven't added GPU-acceleration to the browser for videos. Other than that Linux has been great in the first year that I switched. It feels like it gives more control to the user and these days it is a lot less bloated than Windows. Windows has gotten a lot more bloated since Windows 10 while Linux has debloated a lot. Look at the CPU-load, the RAM-usage and the boot-time, it all has improved a lot in the last few years for many DE's and distros. Even for gaming Linux is an acceptable platform these days, not as suitable as Windows yet but it will only keep improving in the next years. :) I am interested in your comparison between the three operating systems given your experience. I myself only used Windows (XP, 7 and 10) and Linux. I have very little experience with OSX but when I see it in action on RUclips it seems to have certain features in common with Linux.
@@peterjansen4826 I loaded Windows 10 awhile back and it said that it's web application is faster than Fire Fox. I noticed that Fire Fox is light years faster on Linux than Windows. My question is did Microsoft slow down Fire Fox? I see this most going into Juno, which loads almost instantly on Linux, but in pieces on Windows.
@@lesliesavege1206 I agree, Firefox runs faster on Linux, Blender also runs a lot better on Linux and when I install LaTeX it also goes a lot faster on Linux than on Windows. I don't know why. The less bloat on Linux might have to do with it, I know for certain that Windows uses at least double the RAM for both the OS and Firefox. One guy who is a software developer told me that he noticed that Windows literally puts everything in RAM twice, that adds up to what I have observed just looking at the numbers. My impression is that Linux is in every way a superior OS compared to Windows but unfortunately n00bs/newbies don't use it, yet, and third party software still gets developed for Windows first. I see many people, both n00bs/newbies and more experienced users, complain a lot about Windows, few of them try out Linux, even after recommending it. A few people whom I recommended to try it out did. I think that it would help if there would be one good distro which we refer users to, unfortunately at the moment that is Mint. No, I am not doing Mint-bashing, Mint is not gamer-friendly, that is why popOS would be a better Ubuntu-fork to recommend to newcomers who game. Manjaro is gamer-friendly but you need to make a few small tweaks.
If someone doesn't want to use Linux, I'm OK with that. I don't get points for making converts. Sure, I'd like to share the great features of Linux, but if someone is satisfied with Windows or MacOS, there's no reason to change.
"Different packages for each distro" - debunked (thank you!) But isn't Windows (or MacOS for example) the logical equivalent of a different distro which requires its own package format? YES! The problem is when people think of Windows as 'normal' and everything else as 'other', when in fact ANY operating system is a matter of choice and will be somewhat different to the others. I grew up with DOS/VS and MVS on IBM mainframes, GECOS on Honeywell mainframes, CMS/MCP on Burroughs systems, MPE on HP3000, CP/M on microcomputers, and Unix versions such as HP/UX and Sun Solaris (my favourite). Yes, they all had different commands and syntaxes and even logic, but none of them was 'normal' unless you had only ever worked exclusively on that system, without any experience of the others. Indeed, people who had only ever worked on IBM mainframes were the equivalent back then of Windows bigots today. They need to get out more! (Analogy: people who have only ever spoken one language and therefore think that everyone else should speak that language too ...)
As someone who taught both Photoshop and Corel Draw classes, I can definitely confirm that even with that software you needed to take the time to learn how to use them. Photoshop does some things very well, but GIMP is a very capable program that can do most if not all of the tasks most users require.
Way back in the stone age (about 10 to 20 years ago), I was messing with Ubuntu and it was a royal pain in the @$$ to get drivers for my printer and codecs so I could watch videos and listen to MP3s. But things have greatly improved. Now, I have a bleeding edge (or it *_was_* bleeding edge two years ago) machine with a Xeon processor, gigs upon gigs of ram, and a Quadro GPU, and I had problems at first finding a distro that would run on it (it came with Win 7). But when I installed Mint, everything worked "out of the box."
If it was actually Ubuntu, that would be around 15 years ago, 4.10 was release October 2004. And yes, I started on 6.06, there were some issues with printers, but by 7.10, that was mostly sorted out. And since I really don't need Gaming, CAD or Video Production graphics, I just stayed with the onboard Intel graphics since the Core 2 Duo days, whenever possible, rather trouble free. Prior to that, I fought with Fedora and a dual monitor setup on an nVidia card, and it took some tweaking to get it all working consistently.
I originally started with linux in 88 and 89... i went to Best Buy and bought SUSE with the manual an all. I tried Red Hat and several others. Back in those days Network cards were not supported very well and my experience was horrible. I can remember arguing with a linux supporter friend and saying "I just want something that works" so I stayed with windows 98. All is way better now
@@tomslikk2130 I think that you meant that you started with Linux in '98 and '99. Linus created Linux in 1991. As for networking issues, in those days, you had to make sure that all of your hardware worked with Linux before installing it. If you did that, you would have had NO problems. That's still true today, even though Linux supports a vast amount of hardware today.
I confirm about drivers. I had an old netbook and out of the box everything worked great. But when I updated to Windows 8, touchpad didn't have scroll on right side or double finger scroll, etc. I had to go to netbook manufacturer web site, search for drivers. Some drivers didn't work. I wasn't able to get scroll on right side of touchpad. Then, a few years later, I installed kubuntu on it and I was AMAZED - everything worked from the box. 2 finger scroll, right side scroll, etc. It was a big wow effect since I was told linux had problems with drivers.
Why would it be a problem that a different distribution has a different package manager? It doesn't affect my use of the distribution I use, and the Software Center hides the implementation details anyway. You could say Windows has 3 types of packages: .exe, .msi and Windows Store.
Im affraid I think the guy is right in his comments in my opinion,I have used it for many years now, mainly for stability using different distros. Its very stable However just why you cannot click on a program to install is beyond me in this day and age, remembering APT-GET-INSTALL package name, good god,do they know what year it is,most of us have to keep a notebook to remember our Pin numbers. On the subject of cartoon like applications, he is right there is no common layout or theme, as in windows and look like they came off an atari ST. It is similar ,as to how you can spot a Win XP program. The plus is its free, but it will soon be a dead operating system in my opinion, with their refusal to move forward in time.They foolish enough to drop their only touch friendly Distro. (Suicide im afraid). The open source nature of the OS is a great idea in theory but isnt it better to have 1 or 2 usable Distros rather than 80 plus that are useless to the average person. Linux is great as a server but a pain to install. As a Desktop other than novelty value dont bother unless you like stress and frustration.
@@sunrisesystems9280 you can distribute click-to-install applications if you want, and some distros come with tools to allow for click-to-install of generic package types, but it's not the way Linux works in general. Windows has adopted the way Linux works, by providing a Windows Store as a central repository of applications, so how bad can Linux be really? You don't need to remember command lines in Linux─you generally install things from GUI applications. The command line allows you to write a script to install a suite of applications, so it's a benefit not a drawback. There is no common theme in Windows, even in the applications written by Microsoft and installed by default. Linux desktops do publish design guidelines, but nobody has to follow them, although distros don't have to include applications which don't follow the guidelines, so that's not an issue in the first place. People complain that Gnome is touch-friendly, whereas you complain that "they" dropped the only touch-friendly distro. There is no "they" deciding which distros get dropped, and there are still distros designed for mobile devices.
@@sunrisesystems9280 Here's a tip. If you want your Linux experience to go perfectly, I suggest that you ensure that ALL of your hardware works with Linux before you install it. When you buy a computer with Windows in the store, the manufacturer ensures that Windows runs on the hardware before placing it in stores to sell to the user. All of the software is present on the computer and verified to run. You can buy Linux hardware from DELL or Pogo or System76, too, and everything will work out of the box. However, if you already have hardware, and want to run Linux on it, you MUST do the job of verifying that your hardware can run the distribution that you choose. You can do that by creating and booting a Live USB Linux Distribution. If the Live Distribution runs, including networking, then you are golden. If something doesn't work, then you know ahead of time. How you proceed after that is up to you. Either replace the hardware that doesn't work with hardware that does work, and then install Linux, or forgo using Linux. This is not an issue with Linux.
@@sunrisesystems9280 I don't know what you are using, but installation of a Linux server it pretty simple. Ubuntu, at least, has progressively made server installation more simple over time. And as to the DEs, I have less issues with Linux DEs than I have ever had with Windows or OSX. So in my experience, what you described, doesn't seem to exist. Windows or OSX gets stuck, power button and hold, and hope you haven't corrupted your drives. Last time I had Cinnamon freeze up, I hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and a few seconds later, I was back at the login screen. Last two times I have had Mate freeze up, I did have to use the power button, but both times, things came right back to where I left them, other than any unsaved documents. Save often!
I fixed a Dell XPS, and I decided that I was going to install Windows 7... So, I got the ISO off someone from my Discord, entered in the product key, and activated Windows. But I couldn't get the correct screen res, couldn't get my right usb port to work, my wireless card was broken so I had to use my phone for USB tethering, and I got an error when I was trying to install the official Dell drivers... Yeah... It's easier to get Pure Arch running properly...
1) Issues with drivers: debunked. 2) Forced use of the command line: debunked (with caveats see comment below) 3) Different package for each distro: debunked 4) Viruses and websites: debunked for sure. 5) Issues with some apps: no applicable since the app problem is not being properly addressed. The new linux user has the mentality of: can I run X program? We need to change that mentality from that into, what other software allows me to do what X does? Biggest problem for the new linux user or the windows user looking to make the switch is, still, the community. The person that started this discussion mentioned how sometimes the community can make people think they are losers for asking a question or using Windows in this case. I think that's still pretty spot on. I know people here in your channel, or in some forums (in some) are friendly, but for the most part the same, toxic, RTFM attitude persists. If you've never been a regular windows user you don't know how they troubleshoot. They go to google and search for their symptoms, they reach a website or blog where someone ran into the same problem (or similar enough) and try that solution. Rarely do they need to go into a forum and actually ask a question. Compare that to linux where they do the same but often there aren't that many blogs where issues are solved, so the new linux user has to go into a forum and register to post a question, which either receives the RTFM answer of they give you some command without further explanation, so now you're forced to use the command line which can be scary to a new user (it's not but it seems that way). How can we expect people to use the linux we know and love when they feel personally insulted by not knowing something we've known for years. This is getting a lot better with people like Tom guiding the new user and not only giving orders from atop, but actually explaining what things do. But this is still very early goings. If you want to give the new linux user a good experience, you have to act as tech support. I have no problem with this, but it's not for everyone. I think we as a linux community are trying too hard to convert as many people as we can to linux without first bilding up our community to 1) accept the new user, and 2) having more and more resources for the new user. This is why I think we need more channels like Tom's. Tom always says, do not ask if you can run Photoshop on Linux, ask what software allows you to do what you do in Photoshop. This channel goes into common tasks like writing and editing photos, which is the stuff people need to feel like they know how to do. They don't need help using Facebook on Firefox, that's the same everywhere. And this channel also provides new insights regarding how linux looks. Tom's video on how the new Cinnamon has the icons on the taskbar behaving like the Windows taskbar, was all I needed for a coworker to try Linux Mint. He's not a full linux user yet, but he's dual booting now. Long rant just to say this: keep up the good work Tom.
Yeah, most forums are pretty ass. If you have any problem you can't easily just google (or duckduckgo or whatever floats your boat) it and expect to get an answer. Most threads go like this: Joe: "specific thing doesn't work on my whatever installation, help!?" Larry: "run this command and this command and then this and post all of it here and maybe we can help you out" Joe: nevermind its fixed [SOLVED]
First of all, i love Linux, and these debunking videos. I do however need to point out, a few factual errors. Windows NT based systems, have build as multiuser, operating systems from ground up. And since Windows Vista, the first user is no longer an unrestricted administrator. But a UAC administrator, which is basically like Sudo. We should be careful, not to debunk Linux myths, by spreading Windows myths ourselves.
I find this guy a little enthusiastic about Linux and drivers, I tried Mint as the reviews were pretty good and quickly found out that it wont talk to my iPhone at all. I tried all suggestions on the Mint forum and the most common answer was maybe I should buy a decent Android phone. An iPhone is hardly exotic hardware, it's fair to say it's quite popular, I got told many times that this is an Apple issue which I am sure it is but it doesn't change the fact that Linux out of the box doesn't support most hardware. Now I really wanted Linux to work to a certain degree as I despise Windows 10 and I was checking out different alternatives but the sad truth is in 2019 Linux just wont work as my primary OS and I have been trying since 2004, sure it slowly gets better but still after 15yrs of trying it still lacks development in critical and sometimes basic areas. It supported my network and graphic drivers but they didn't drive the hardware to it's full potential and it was often slow and lagging compared to Windows 7 that was much quicker. That surprised me as Linux was always quicker than Windows on previous attempts. I had other issues and all of them required the command line to solve them so yes the command line is still vital in Linux. As for virus attacks, well I haven't had any virus infection on Windows since 7 was released, most people who get viruses often are usually to blame. If you use the same software and don't visit stupid sites then chances are you wont get any Malware. Like it or not some people need Adobe products to work and to say Linux has programs that do the exact same thing is nonsense, it's just not true, Gimp is very different to Photoshop. I do like Open Office more than MS Office which is a bloated mess but again they are different. I believe that for an average user Linux could serve them well compared to Windows but your average Windows user would be lost using Linux, the task of migrating would be too tough and their mindset is all wrong as they are expecting Linux to work just like Windows . They are used to a world that sacrifices security over usability and get upset at even having to click an extra button never mind entering a password to make changes. In truth advanced users who migrate to Linux always state that it can be a rocky and challenging road ahead, getting it installed and setup left them in two minds but after some time they finally became used to it. Linux is a great OS but I often find many users tend to ignore the problems that still exist and simply claiming it's not a Linux issue is arrogant and instantly steers potential users straight back to Windows..
Out of the box Linux supports MOST hardware, not all but most. The first time I tried to get pictures off an iPhone onto my Windows 7 computer I had to jump through hoops for 45 minutes to figure it out.
The number one thing I call bullshit on is the community. I am new to Linux, coding and command line and this community has been so supportive in all of my questions. Guiding me to videos, not just their own but any one that could help and sending emails and messages personally to help.
I was using Ubuntu since it's 10.04 LTS release. I switched to Windows 10 after so many people hyped over it. After having so many BSOD with Windows 10 I came back to Ubuntu 18.04 and everything is awesome again
@Marco D'Magnifico BSOD still exist and is more prevalent than before. Although this happen only when you use some peripheral (graphic cards / UPnP devices, some printers etc.) and one of the system application or even firewall decide to stop all this for no reason suddenly. With Ubuntu, there is better support for the drivers and hence it work seamlessly.
I agree on all your points but I also wanted to add some of my own too: 1.Drivers: Since Windows 10 the need to search for a driver and manually install it is very minimal to non-existent anymore. Windows 10 is pretty good about seeking out specific drivers that it needs or using a generic driver as a place holder. I find Windows 10 finding well over 95% of the drivers it needs unless the hardware is very old and do not have a driver that is supported in Win10. It's nothing like Windows XP days where you had to search, download, install most of your drivers for it. Windows 95 was the worst at this. 2. Forced to use the command line in Linux: Nope, just as you said. It may seem like that is the case since you see more Linux users using/enjoying the command line. But, I can tell you there are a lot of instances I use the command line in Windows (when fixing it). 3. Different packages for each: First, just use the GUI Software Center. Second, just like you stated it's .rpm or .deb. Third, each package manager has a different name and different ways of installing, uninstalling software. It's not hard to learn each and some use the same options as the other guys which means easier to learn. For instance - Ubuntu uses 'apt install'. Solus uses 'eopkg install'. 4. Viruses and Websites: Don't get mad that Linux really doesn't need Anti-virus programs. It's not only inherently more secure but also has a much smaller user-base than Windows meaning less incentive to create viruses for. Bonus: 99% of the server market is a variation of Unix or Linux including most all websites run on Linux. Think about that - Websites you visit that could have malware on them destined for Windows are running on Linux. Hmmm... 5. Issues with some Applications. Such as? I mean the whole Adobe thing is so cliche to bring up. Learn to learn something new then lets talk. Lastly - I will say the only issues I run into frequently with Linux are Screen Tearing issues resolved by using a compositor. But I also notice Firefox can still show a diagonal tearing when scrolling through wordy pages (depending on the PC). Cheap Intel graphics cards that may have screen glitches on most lighter Distros due to open source video card driver. And lastly the sleep/wake up where it won't wake up. Linux Mint is one of the best distros out there that is easy to use, theme, and alleviates most of the issues I just described. Great for beginners and experienced. Right now, I'm using POP!OS & Ubuntu. Just not a fan of Snap packages (I'm talking to you Ubuntu). Linux can really be a fun experience if you just relax and like learning new stuff. Don't try to understand it all in one weekend, just take your time with it. At first, I didn't care for it either mostly because it was all new and different. Once you learn to respect it's differences you start to appreciate all it offers you. One of the great things about Linux is how light it is and you really can make it your own by theme-ing it and scripting. For me, I enjoy the themes but do you know Linux is easier to network than Windows is. I got a Raspberry Pi setup as a Samba server shared on the home network so everyone can share music/photos and files.
#4 continuation.. At least a malicious EXE running in WINE still can't run as root, can't jump user privileges. So, still inherently safer even if you allow that malicious EXE to run. For reference, I did test out running Wannacry on an Ubuntu machine, and yeah it encrypts everything in the user folder still, but can't touch anything outside the user folder. Though watch out, cause Wannacry can jump across your network if you have SMB enabled lol. Don't do as I do.. Please don't lol.
@@dragonboyjazz Though admittedly, that sounds fun hahahah! But unfortunately, every other machine on the network is also my own. My workstation, and 2 servers.. All of which utilize SMB across my LAN. So yeah, when I test malware, SMB gets disabled, or even pull the cord if you don't know what it's going to do lol.
As someone who has literally just switched to Linux Mint on my secondary laptop, I had not set up issues whatsoever. Worked directly out of the box and updated via the GUI not via the command line. As for the command line, I do use it, because I want to learn how to, why would I want to ignore such a powerful tool? There were a few things I had to check online, but 72 hours in, I am 99% sure I will be moving my main gaming laptop over to Linux as well.
Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.... Agreed. Agreed. Gradually switching. My home plex server crashed with the last win10 upd, and that was the last straw for me. We're running Mint permanently now on that machine. And i'm luving it. Sometimes the fam goes in that room to use the machine when nothing else is available.. with mint, the kids are unaffected (mostly youtube), me/wife unaffected (urls to Office online), and found linux versions of most of the stuff we use. Gradually planning to switch kids laptops as well. As for plex, works beautifully... using any other machine in the house you'd never know that we switched.
Hi, I'm a Windows IT Pro who is currently trying to make this shift over to GNU Linux at home. I'm actively trying to force myself over to Linux and don't mind putting in extra effort to work things out. Over the last few months these are my feelings regarding the points in this video: 1. Drivers on Windows PCs generally aren’t a problem any more and haven’t been for a while. Windows has become very good and fetching any drivers it hasn’t got out of the box. For example I deploy out Windows 10 images which just have the out of the box drivers, we have a lot of random hardware but haven’t had to manually install drivers. Back in the Windows XP days doing a clean install was problematic with drivers but I don’t think I’ve had to manually install a Windows 10 PC driver in many years. Generally the only time I have to install drivers on any Windows systems these days is on servers with things like ILO or Fiber adapters. On the Linux side I’ve generally found drivers to be good. I’ve had repeated problems with AMD GPU drivers not installing or showing artifacts with Unity based games which is my only bug bare. I’m aware this is caused by AMD’s poor driver support but it doesn’t discount the problem. I would like to see some real world testing where various ages of hardware are tested with Windows and Linux to see what is supported out of the box. Otherwise its just conjecture. 2. For the majority of users I expect you wouldn’t need to use the terminal. I would be happy to give my parents a LinuxMint PC without worrying about it. That said the default I would still consider Linux to be “command line first” in regards to anything more advanced or any troubleshooting. This is both a blessing and a curse. You can probably do whatever you need to do but it does have a steeper learning curve. Going back to my previous point regarding AMD Drivers. If I want to install the latest driver I have to run a script from the terminal. amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/. 3. I feel like the question here was badly worded, its not that the packages are different, its that the method for getting the package varies depending on the Distro/Application, that’s where the fragmentation problem is. For example if I want to get the NextCloud client some distros have it in their repo, some don’t and you have to go get the Appimage. I’ve found the repos and different package formats like (PPA/Flatpak/Snap) more of a hindrance then a help. I get the idea but its far too fragmented, at least with Windows I know I need to just go and download the program directly from the developer. With Linux it might be in the built in package manager, it might be in there but be an older version, it might be in there but not run etc etc. 4. No problems with what you said. Safer. 5. No problems with what you said. Users will need to relearn the equivalent programs. The latest version of Office 365 and LibreOffice do have a few feature differences. For example O365 has great a great “Read Aloud” option, this requires extensions in LibreOffice. Over all I wouldn’t say either is better or worse but they will require re-education morning from one to the other. At least with Libre Office you could get used to it on Windows before making the switch to linux. I would sorely miss Outlook however and ThunderBird/Evolution just doesn’t cut the mustard.
U less you're trying to use an AMD GPU for content creation ( it's equal to nvec or cuda)..there is no need to I stall an AMD GPU driver as the correct ones are already built into the kernel...u less you're trying to use something older than a freaking 7970 aka r9 280 from 7 plus years ago.
I love Linux and i like to use it as often as possible. But still my two most used PCs are Windows based. For the why i have to add some small points to your Argumentation: 1. Yes Linux Distributions offer more Hardware support than Windows by far. But every usb based device, any Printer, any Multi purpose Device comes with a Windows Driver. Thats the point where it gets hard for most average user. I tried to convert my parents to Linux a few years ago. But they had 10 USB Devices and i could not find working Driver for all of them. Like the Slide scanner or the Webcam. I myself tried once to connect my Canon DSLR to a Linux System and do a tethered shooting. I needed several days to get it working (perhaps works better today). DSLRs and Cameras are not a niche Product. You often find a driver for your Device like your Printer but only the main functions are working as intended. If we talk about modern Printer with many functions you miss out on some features. Once installed a printer with scanner function. I could scan but the ADF Automatic document feeder didn't want to work. 2. You are not forced to use the Command line but if you want to get some stuff working correctly without any Problems or annoying detours and you don't have someone to configure your system for you. You will feel the need to start working with it. 3. The Package system of Linux Distributions is one of the biggest advantages in my view. Love It!! Perhaps i don't get what the complain is about. 4. Yes at the moment the Virus danger for Linux systems is low and Linux is for sure safer than Windows. But one reason for this is also the huge market share Windows has. If Linux would have the biggest market share of all Systems Viruses for Linux would apear more often. With the spread of Android perhaps starting to work on Virus detection capability and checking the code for vulnabilities would benefit the Linux World and Community keeping ahead from the bad folks. 5. Libre Office and Gimp are great if you are inside a bubble. I hate it but all big companies use Microsoft Office. If you have to work together with People using MS you will find difficulties. Some fonts can make trouble. You just can not be sure that the document looks the same on both Systems. In between Excel and Calc i found some differences in Formulars used in the documents. Meaning a working spreadsheet for you doesn't work in MS Office because it wants a different letter/sign or a function has a different name. Last i have to say there is a reason for Adobe to be the dominating Competitor on the Graphic Market. The Products are just smooth as hell, work together pretty good and have a plenty of functions. Gimp is great in his main focus as graphic editor and should be by far enough for the normal user but i can understand everyone who needs or wants the more in comfort and functionality. As an Example two years ago i tried stitching a Picture in Gimp and Adobe Photoshop. I could not reach the same quality result with Gimp and Hugin after several tries. Just my thoughts would love to be wrong. If you find a misspelling keep it :-)
I don't know about "cartoonish." The harder part is that porting and sharing back and forth between proprietary formats and some open formats, or even Word .doc, for example, back and forth, do not always work properly for more complicated items. E.g., try as I might, I could not get a pie chart and some graphs to port properly. Excel also has a richer ecosystem for macros, it seems, but for most uses, especially individual use, it's perfectly fine.
Beautifully said and done! Thank you for another great video! Each time, it helps me to better understand the Linux OS. I'm fairly new to Linux and slowly learning how to use it effectively. It's pretty fast and stable. I like it, and I'm a Microsoft Computer & Network IT with an Associates Degree. I will continue to learn from your videos. Thanks again for all the time and videos that you put out for people like me. Have a great one and God continue to bless you!
I have a story related to your point one about drivers. This was almost 20 years ago. I had a computer set up with dual boot Windows 98 and Linux (either Debian or SuSE, don't remember). I wanted to upgrade my computer and had acquired a new (second-hand) cabinet that came with motherboard, cpu and graphics card, but no drives. The old one was an Intel-something cpu, and the new one was AMD, and the graphics card was different too. So I pull out the drive and install it in its new home. When I turned it on and booted Windows 98, it had to do a lot of work to get itself settled in before it was comfortable in the new surroundings - this included some driver hunting on my part, and it took a couple of hours before it was really working again. At the time I was relatively new to using Linux, and those myths about driver issues were also around then, so I was a bit concerned about what I would experience when I booted the Linux partition. As it turned out, there was no need for concern. It booted up and was fully functional without a hitch on the first try. Except for sound - that didn't work in either OS. I had forgotten to move the sound card from the old box.
"those myths about driver issues were also around then" They weren't myths they were common issues. Acknowledged were common to this day. It has improved a lot over the last few years but let's not ignore the fact drivers were a major issue in the past. For every OS. Especially drivers with Linux. Which were factually pretty abysmal in the distant past.
I can't even remember the last time I had a driver issue with Windows. And I used it for about 20 years. Trying to get my printers to work on Linux however has been a nightmare to the degree that I have pretty much given up even trying
@Tom Marrero-Ortiz I already had the printers when I switched to Linux. And one of them was about $500 (13x9 printer) so i'm a bit reluctant to just toss it in the trash
"Command line" in Linux ... aw shaime. And I never needed to use Power Shell in Windows, never needed to format a larger than 32GB drive as FAT32, never needed to fix a boot loader which one of windows' updates screwed up, never had to figure out why Disk Management refuses to repartition some disk, never needed to set permissions so some programs actually run, etc. Those are alo much better to do through a Windows Command line, just like some tasks a much simpler in Linux on a command-line than trying to search through a bunch of confusing settings dialogs and hopefully finding the one you're after. Ever tried figuring out which registry setting, what group policy and which service you have to adjust in Windows to make something "work"?
While helping my sister set up Linux (Xubuntu) on her computer, I needed to double-check whether it was installed as 32 bit or 64 bit: Me: [Tries to search around the application finder, in settings, can't find it.] Me: "You don't have to use this; it's just easier for me." Me: [Opens "Terminal Emulator"] Me: `uname -a` Computer: `...x86_64...` Me: "Ok, cool."
My little test for linux distros is that ready4prime-time includes: Can easily install and run current native linux versions of a small set of proprietary sw items, Chrome, Google Earth, Skype... No known fviruses Can easily set up and use Russian language keyboard settings and switch between languages easily. The one distro I've seen that passes all of that most easily is Ubuntu-Mate.
Another point to the command line argument: If you want to change certain aspects of your windows 10 install, such as turn off Microsoft's built in spyware (they call it telemetry, lol) guess what you need to do? Yup, you need to use the command line interpreter Powershell. Ubuntu has telemetry too, but it asks you at install time if you want it. A single click and there you go, no telemetry.
The command line conundrum is that you have a virtually 1:1 ratio of ways to do things via GUI and ways by command line, and expressing tutorials via command line is easier and less error prone. The biggest headaches I've had with Linux were with incompatible hardware. The Broadcom kerfuffle and a Brother firmware update. Except Windows isn't the only one that does this. I cannot use my Coolermaster Sirus headphones on a fully patched Windows 10. They used to work. Then I updated, and now the microphone doesn't work. The latest drivers were Win 8. Boot back to Linux, they work fine. Feh.
windows updates gave me all the drivers i needed when i downloaded them for my devices , but if it hadnt i would have just used the included cd with each device that has drivers for it or go to the device website and download from them , its no trouble at all
And then...Windows update kills your wifi , or deletes all your business files, or kills your printer the night before a major project report is due. I see it every day. Everything works. Until it doesn't.
@@valeera5415 It's inevitable that major updates will have unintended consequences on specific groups of hardware configurations when you consider the myriad possibilities. Each issue may only impact a small percentage of configurations but with over 400 million estimated Windows 10 users, even at 1% you're talking 4 million systems. Microsoft support gives generic fixes that seldom apply to the specific instance until weeks later. Every update brings a rush of panicking customers to my day gig at a big box retailer tech bench. 1803 and 1809 feature updates added little meaningful improvement unless you like being nagged to install MS Office on your phone or really missed Candy Crush after you eradicated it from your system. I'm glad you've been spared and hope you will continue to be unaffected by update induced disaster but I'd certainly consider the possibility and make contingency plans if your productivity and livelihood are dependent on Windows.
When I upgraded my parents PC to from windows 7 to 10 I had to install a PCIE network card for them because I couldn't find a driver for the on board network😖
FWIW: Windows 10 is going to be driving force for Windows users to switch over. Even Microsoft Bob is better than Windows 10. The Metro interfaces is simular to the old Windows 3.1 interface where you select the app you want to use from the desktop. For me, Windows 10 is basically a command line OS, since I now just go to the search function and type in the application name I want to use. Most of the people that have Windows 10 also do the same. I use PowerShell or Command Prompt for many tasks like mapping drives, searching for files (Window OS Search absolutely sucks and use findstr instead) . The Metro interface is just horrible. MS also blocks using Windows 7 on newer machine (although you can apply a patch\hack to get it work on newer machines. However manufacturers have stopped making Windows 7 Drivers for there new machine models). That said its possible to run windows 7 or 10 as a VM in windows using virtualbox, which now supports accelerated graphics for Virtual Windows Machines. FWIW: I also have a windows XP vm, since I have some old applications that don't work on Windows 7. Windows 10 home users also get constant annoying ads, almost as bad as Internet explorer back in the late 1990s with the popup ads. Macs are also becoming increasing terrible, Bad hardware, everything is super expensive, and Apple drops updates for older machines after about 3 to 5 years, basically forcing you to replace the machine. Linux is the only OS that doesn't try to nickel & dime you, and does not lock you into Apple's or MS's business objectives. Why anyone wants to be enslaved by MS or Apple is beyond me!
Regarding drivers: About a year ago now (early 2020), I bought a new (Windows) laptop for my son and a new-ish Brother laser printer for the house. We have Windows, Mac, and Linux machines. The printer installed without need for additional drivers on the 2011 Mac (although it had to be directly connected via USB, which was fine as that is the main computer and the printer is on the same desk.) The Linux machines saw the printer over the network and set themselves up with a few simple mouseclicks. Then there was the laptop. It couldn't be simple. I had to install the Brother drivers since Windows (despite being about six months newer than the printer) couldn't find the printer. In addition to the drivers, Brother wants to install tons of other bloat to check ink levels, paper status, order supplies, generally nag you about Brother chaff they're pushing, etc. So I'm able to get a test page printed and it kinda works. Every computer can send a job and it prints in seconds. Not the laptop. It took minutes, sometimes hours!!! And then the computer started randomly crashing, freezing, shutting itself down without warning. I managed to get into the logs and found that the Brother driver was causing all kinds of errors and timeouts. Had to uninstall and find an alternate solution for now. At least it works in Linux.
For #2 you failed to mention that Microsoft is more and more forcing people to use PowerShell. This is especially true for modern servers and the more complex administrative tasks. Microsoft has removed a LOT of GUIs and/or functions within the GUIs that used to make certain tasks easy (one quick example, try to get a list of mailbox sizes in Exchange on an '08 or later MS server without using PowerShell). To complicate matters, PowerShell commands vary significantly between versions and what APIs (Exchange, Active Directory, etc...) you have loaded so you have to manage all of that before you can even start issuing a command (Exchange servers have a special Exchange PowerShell shortcut that loads all of the necessary APIs - if you launch the normal PowerShell and try to issue an Exchange command, it will fill your screen with red error messages.) - I am picking on Exchange here but it's just one example and is not isolated.
Ubuntu/Debian distros can also make use of rpm files if a deb version isn't available, by converting them with alien. It was a long time ago, but I have on a couple of occasions done this and whatever it was I was installing at the time, installed faultlessly and worked with no issues. I never seem to hear anyone discussing and pointing out that option in Linux. I don't know if it works faultlessly in every instance, but it did work in my case.
The elitism with some Linux communities is in fact rather bad. Not all but some communities contain super toxic individuals that are super knowledgeable in Linux but are quick to point out your flaws and not in a constructive way. On the flip side, I have been part of some communities where 90% of the community is super helpful and even in most cases is willing and often times go out of their way to make new users feel welcome and solve their issues. That 10% however of users that tend to be toxic are often times louder than the other 90% in some communities.
This is going to be a very long comment... > Drivers Every single time I tried to help someone to switch to long, this was the final thing that ended up being a major issue. Guess what GPU more than half of the people who have dedicated GPU use (it's not AMD). As for "windows supports less hardware". Yes, out of the box it does. But it's also way easier to find and install drivers from manufacturer website, and those drivers from manufacturer's website *won't break after a system update*. And even if linux supports more hardware overall, *it's useless if it's not the hardware users care about*. Laptops (especially with switchable GPUs) are especially a big pain to set up. Issues with suspend aren't very uncommon. Up until some very recent (4.16-1.18) kernel, my GPU would not re-enable itself after suspend due to some issues in linux's implementation of ACPI. My friend tried to install linux, with an Nvidia GPU. Even with proprietary drivers - there would be some weird freezes and screen tearing issues that nothing would seem to fix. Even old hardware can have issues now. For example I had (no longer have) a computer with old core 2 series CPU and ATI radeon HD5670 GPU. For a long time it worked great with proprietary drivers (after spending days trying to figure out how to make it work in the first place). Games worked fine, it was relatively fast for what it was etc. And then the proprietary drivers stopped being supported. The open source drivers, as far as I know, to this day have major issues with some glsl shaders. Kernel 4.20 introduced an issue in realtek drivers, where on some network cards, after replugging the ethernet cable a few times, it would stop detecting it. I knew enough to know to blame the kernel drivers on it, bisect it and report it. And eventually got it fixed. But a normal user would have no chance. The maintainer of this driver couldn't reproduce the issue on a different network card. It's very likely it would not get fixed for years. Printers: unless you are lucky enough to have one that is well supported by linux, you are going to have hard time with it. For example my old HP printer technically works on linux. But when on linux, it's printing so slow, it's usually faster to reboot to windows when printing more than 1 page. For a long time, my laptop had issues with sound. Noting major, but an annoyance: random crackling sound sound coming from the builtin speakers that didn't happen on windows. Another old laptop - most distributions would just black screen on it for no apparent reason, or if they worked - showed weird errors after boot that noone else had. In the end, elementaryos worked. But most common distributions didn't. A VM - I have no idea how people end up with any VM working fast. I tried. On a few different computers. It booted and then was unusably slow. Yes, most of these issues are because manufacturers don't support linux and don't even release any specifications/datasheets. But for people to switch from windows to linux on their existing hardware, this has to be solved. > Command line The moment something doesn''t work as expected, you are expected to use command line. Even if because most of the people who will be trying to help you can't be bothered to figure out how to do it with GUI. And if you do find information on how to do it through GUI, it's going to be from 1 year ago, where the GUI was completely differently organized (and while such changes do happen on windows, it's not very common). So while a lot of things are possible in GUI, there isn't a whole lot of information on how to fix specific issues or change some options through GUI. That was my experience when I used kubuntu, later xubuntu and debian. The moment some "obvious" option doesn't exist in GUI, you are going to be using command line. > Packages Yes, in general many deb packages will work fine across ubuntu, debian and all debian-based systems. Very frequently it's until it comes time to update and discover something doesn't work. Or if you are to install an ubuntu .deb package on debian... and some of the depenencies aren't there. Yes, technically the same packaging system. But the repositories are different and shouldn't be mixed. Especially a big issue if you try to use ubuntu repositories on debian. It will only work until the next update. While they technically use the same packaging system, you really shouldn't mix them together. > Viruses. Here I mostly agree. Also every since windows cista, windows also has the same kind of user separation. Ever heard of UAC? The same annoying UAC that people considered completely ridiculous when vista came out? That's basically a GUI version of "sudo privileges" on windows. Unfortunately, most users will blindly click "yes" on those. And UAC is there *even if you are the administrator*. Being administrator on windows is closer to "have sudo" on linux. And it also brings my huge criticism of WINE that wine developers really don't want to fix. That it's nearly impossible to have it actually isolated from your desktop. It will try to have itself run exe files by default (even mono executables!). It will add file type associations for windows programs (how many times I ended up with notepad.exe opening text files, internet explorer opening html and pdf files etc...). It will add desktop shortcuts on your actual linux desktop. Great if you want those programs to feel like linux native programs. But them being installed in a wineprefiix in the user drirectory and a wineprefix, and together with "these instructions to get this working don't work on my wineprefix" where you end up starting with fresh one brings a lot of possibilities of file type associations and desktop shortcuts being broken. And in my experience, very often windows uninstallers just don't run correctly on wine! And while you CAN set up environment variables that configure wine to not do this stuff, ensuring that this environment variable is always set permanently isn't as easy as it looks.
@Master Drakthorian Maybe it was just my horrible experiences with drivers. And no, the realtek issue I'm talking about isn't fixed yet (because I only reported it a week ago, and the patch isn't yet merged). Yes it got a bit better over the last few years. But I still didn't experience a "it just works" scenario myself after 9 years of using linux. As for "researching about hardware" - do you really expect people who only every used windows before to go back in time and choose different hardware in case they want linux in the future? Sure, when getting a new computer - it's a good idea to verify that it will work well with linux. But in 99% of the cases I've seen, people want to use their existing hardware on linux. Their existing printer. Their current laptop. Whatever GPU they have now. If it doesn't work, most people aren't going to go buy new hardware. They are going to keep using windows. Myself, I just accepted the issues there are and keep using linux anyway (with dual-boot windows just in case I ever need it) And once again we may have to disagree on commandline. I'm not saying that the options aren't there. But with how frequently everything changes, it can be very difficult to find up to date information about how to do something with GUI. And it doesn't apply to just one desktop environment. Over the years I used (for a very short while KDE3), KDE4, KDE5, gnome (the new one), cinnamon and xfce. On every single one of them, I kept running into explanations of how to do some things in GUI where those options have been moved to completely different place or even removed. Or "you need commandline for that". Just examples of what I hope to be disproved about that need command line: - In many cases, multiple monitors can't be set up the way you want from GUI. On some systems it works fine. But more often than not, I had to mess with xrandr to get 2 monistors working correctly and no amount of searching around in GUIs helped. - Wine. While wine can theoretically be used with just GUI, you are limited to one wineprefix and it's atrocious insistance on integrating itself with desktop. Fortunately with steam and playonlinux I may never need to interact directly with wine ever again - installing drivers when X won't start anymore after installing GPU drivers through GUI - Fixing things when X doesn't start after updating your system (compared to windows where at worst you get no GPU acceleration, or at least can start GUI in safe mode) - Fixing basically any issue that involves services (and don't claim such issues don't happen. They do. Maybe just not to you) - Troubleshooting "internet doesn't work" issues (I myself had issues with wifi that could only be solved with commandline, involving rfkill) - Dualboot: Fixing bootloader after windows update decides to break grub For package management - you are partially right here. But at least on windows, after you update from XP to 10, GUI still starts when your XP drivers inevitably won't be compatible with 10. This is not a given on linux. And on windows, an old outdated program designed for windows 98 will basically never prevent a system update. On linux, an old deb package installed from outside of the repositories may very well prevent updates. And you won't be able to use it later (unless you find it packaged as snaps/similar) As for snaps/flatpacks - I can't say much about it as I haven't tried it yet. I expect memory and disk space usage to be higher with those (which is not something I want). But it may be an alternative to try (that is if the software I want is available as such packages). But it may very well be the best thing I've ever seen. And yes, using linux is easy if all you do is use the web browser. I successfully installed elementaryos on my dad's laptop (the one that other distributions didn't work on). But he has no idea how to update it, or even what updating the system is.
Regarding the drivers issue... yes, it's great that modern versions of Linux will support a lot of devices "out of the box." But what about when a device doesn't work? Well, with Windows you can most likely go to the manufacturer's website and download the drivers and install them with ease. How easy is it to install a linux driver from the web? I'm guessing pretty hard for a non-linux enthusiast. To me the main advantage of Windows over Linux is that it's easy for users to go get what they want from the web and easily install it on their Windows PC. On Linux, if it's not in the software manager list, well... I hope you know what you are doing to get it installed and working. Linux is good for the two extremes of users: A. The enthusiast who can navigate those more difficult moments in Linux B. The "basic" user who just wants to check email, browse the web, and maybe do some document editing. Basically, anyone who's needs can be met by the package/software manager.
You should show people how to import Microsoft office fonts into Linux, so that there is a greater compatibility. Not the command line version, but going to Windows, and copying the TTF to a flash drive, then installing that font in Linux (such as Magneto font which doesn't come in the command console install set).
The “poopie” comment won you a sub. Microsoft Windows does however prompt to run an executable as administrator now though. But yes, there are a lot more viruses that run on Windows.
Thankyou for debunking the myths as many of us suffering from 1 or many thoughts like you described. I recently switched to Ubuntu, it will definitely take time but it also showing there are other platform and tools other than windows.
I run vanilla Arch as my main distro with Ubuntu 18.04 on a USB key as a backup system, just in case it ever breaks when I need to get work done and won’t be a quick fix (hasn’t happened yet). From the context of the average computer user you mentioned who buys their computer at a big box store driver issues can be a big wall - I know it was for me years ago when I was just testing the waters. While you’re right about more hardware compatibility, most new users are downloading a distro to test on their big box computer so they aren’t used to having to worry about drivers. Even those that are comfortable with it are just used to going to the manufacturers’ websites for the driver which, in many cases, isn’t available that way. Sure, with Arch I can just run a sudo pacman -S broadcom-wl on my MacBook Pro but figuring out that it’s that easy, or what work is required when it isn’t, is the hurdle. Your final point - the learning curve - is what it’s all about and what scares people away. Regarding cartoony, most Linux apps are uglier than their Windows or macOS equivalents without customization. I agree lol. That also is a minus on many people’s parts, but because people expect nice looking software when they’ve paid for it. I’m fine with a little janky looking but absolutely proficient software.
I think the driver thing has more to do with the fact that almost everything is going to have compatible windows drivers available, while on linux you might get stuck with shitty generic drivers or not be able to find drivers at all, not to mention they typically don't get updated as much from the manufacturers.
I have been WCAS (Windows Clean and Sober) for almost 10 years now, currently dual-booting Mint 18/64 and AVLinux. From Win 3.1 through XP, I HAD to know quite a bit about solving problems or finding solutions online because there were SO MANY problems. I loved XP, and used it way beyond its useful life. Starting with Ubuntu 8.04 and moving through several distros till now, I admit I'm not a very good Linux troubleshooter. Why? Because I've had so few problems! I don't get any practice fixing things. While my father and siblings carry on correspondence constantly, trying to solve every manner of software and hardware problems with Win, I quietly go about my work. A couple of them have noticed just lately that I rarely express any kind of frustration with my computer system. I agree that there are sectors of the Linux community which are quite snooty, but, by far, the rest are very helpful.
I'm a very average Linux user since 5 years and started using internet in 2009 (with Windows XP)... The last computer course i've had dated from 1991 on a Commodore 64 and i screwd up my grades, loll. In five years of Linux use i've never had problems with drivers, especially that most distros i've used have a driver installer and gave me the recommanded driver to install, i just had to click one button... Within a week of my first Ubuntu i learned how to copy/paste a command line in the terminal in order to install an application, learned to copy/paste a command line, loll! In the end, Linux is about learning and be our own master of our machine, it's about freedom and that is what i love most about it.
I’m on the Linux side of the argument but here are a couple of notes: the driver argument is about peripherals not systems. Game controllers & video cards & music gear Oh My. The answer is Pop_OS NVidia release. :) Cartoon apps are a side effect of the annual icon-switching and UI polish from the big vendors. I blame the “flat” trend. Keeping up with the Jones’ Paint Job matters to people with superficial understanding. Virus scans are for when you share stuff with Windows users. If they infect each other *through* you - then you get blamed. :)
ive used linux for a decade plus and its def gotten better. my main criticism for all linux distros is screen tearing. no matter if its intel, amd or nvidia. you install any distro on any hardware and after that first boot pull up a video file on whatever the default player is and watch it. chances are high that theres gonna be screen tearing. ive had it happen on at least a dozen systems. usually its fixable. and it has gotten easier to fix over the years but its always bothered me that that i experience this on every desktop ive put linux on and all my laptops that have grafix cards. the only time its never happened is on laptops that only have intel hardware and use intel graphics . but even then theres a good chance it will happen if you hook that laptop up to a tv and try and watch a movie. but bottom line is if you use a desktop or laptop that has a graphics card chances are pretty high your gonna encounter some screen tearing issues during video playback after that first boot.
With the newer Kernels most AMD cards shouldn't have that problem anymore. Mainly because with the newer kernels AMD drivers are included with them now.
Re point 3: deb packages are the same, correct, but the one that is built for Debian specifically is not guaranteed to work on other distributions. It's even less clear whether, for example, Mint built deb package will work on Debian. This is because of dependencies, other packages (and their respective versions) that are required to run a specific package. This is also true for Fedora and CentOS/RHEL for example. Fedora uses newer package versions, backporting Fedora 29 RPMs to Centos is not easy. And especially using Fedora RPMs on openSUSE which uses the same package manager, but everything else is different. Drivers are a particular case, because they are typically compiled with a sufficiently low level of tools and requirements that are more-less covered with all available distributions.
Hi! I've installed Linux Mint 19.1 Cinnamon on my laptop (dell inspiron n7110) week ago and it is not as good as it is in number of similar videos. 1 About drivers. Yes, it works out of the box and it was pretty easy to install proprietary driver for my video card. But I have to switch between NVIDIA and Intel graphics manually. And to apply changes i have to reboot the computer. 2 About terminal. I can only do the basic things with graphic interface like install browser or etc. Besides, it stills raw and lags. In case of only a little more complicated functions, like to check a list of installed programs - welcome to the terminal. 3 And the main - overheating and performance. Comparing to Windows 7 temperature of cores increased up to 20 degrees (Celsius). There was preinstalled "thermald" in linux mint, and I've also tried TLP. But it didn't help. The only thing TLP had done - it killed sound in entire system. So I had to restore system with Timeshift. I like the idea of Linux and I'll keep it to explore. But in my case there are no reasons to switch to Linux.
Have you checked out "dri_prime=1" for graphics? I just found it a minute ago since I watched a video the other day that talked about switching between integrated/dedicated graphics. I'm not sure if it works on non-Arch-based distro's or not. Maybe consider trying the xfce version of mint since it is less resource intensive. That may help your lags and temperature problems. If anything, temperatures should be lower on Linux unless something is wrong. I've only run Linux on a couple different laptops, so I can't speak from much experience in that regard.
Sudo is not even an instant possibility with every distros. With debian, you set up a root account and your regular account has to use su and enter it's password to do root stuff. Setting up sudo is extra work (at least adding your user to the sudo group and possibly changing the sudeors file). Ubuntu and Mint, on the other hand, will make you a sudoer from the very beginning, but you still have to enter a password to do root stuff. You might say: _Well what's the difference? As a user, you still have a very easy way do act as an administrator, have you not?_ But Linux does not go out of it's way to make you want to disable security features by popping a UAC confirmation window every few minutes. With Linux, common user activity does not require admin privileges. And Linux also does not give you access to the whole file system except for a few system folders. With Linux, it's the other way around: you have write access to nothing _but_ you home directory.
Ive just started using Linux Mint 19.3 Cinnamon. Im sooo impressed! Easy to install and working straight away with no issues..I mean NO issues! I now have a dual boot system between win10 and Mint on all of my computers. The GUI is excellent and very intuitive. Command line is a learning experience but that is half the fun! Mint Xfce is a small resource lite system that I can use on my old Samsung n-145p which was soo slow with Win7. Im a convert!
Guys i have a problem. On my desktop pc i can't boot into any of these distros without using "amdgpu.dc=0" option which, i guess, disables gpu acceleration yes? Lately i learned that "amdgpu" thing is integrated into the kernel (begining with kernel 4.17) and a lot of radeon users suffer from the same issue as i am. My question is, when is this going to be fixed? Or is there a way for me to enable "amdgpu" without crashing my PC?
Hardcore windows/adobe fan here, recent MX 19 convert, partially due to your vids! My only issue so far is how [insert megacorp here] has refused to work with linux. Attempting to slowly wrap my head around how it works on Android and yet not in linux, to try and make a program for a workaround. The free and opensource aspect has increased my awareness and made me a better computer user on windows pcs as well. Thanks!
As for packages, if needed, you can just manually extract the files out of the package and copy them to the correct locations. This is also useful for installing packages without having root access.
If you don't have root packages and you would normally need it to install that package, it probably means that either you won't be able to install manually either (lacking write permissions) or the package itself had an issue (requesting root when it wasn't needed).
@@traveller23e I'm pretty sure package managers such as `apt` always require root access, because they install packages in locations that are shared by all users. However, some packages are location-independent and function without any problems if installed with the same directory structure, but in a location other than the root of the filesystem.
I've been into computers since the mid 90s and have been a Windows user all these years. If anyone would be a Windows fanboy it would be me. I have started loading various Linux distros in VirtualBox and I have to say they are all very good. It all boils down to personal preference. I have zero beefs with Linux. I still use Windows because that is what I know but I will learn Linux. Right now I am really liking MX Linux, Manjaro XFCE and ArcoLinux XFCE. Love channels like yours that provide such excellent info and help guys like me. Keep up the great work. Windows users, open your minds! :-)
I choose Linux because it's FREE. MS products are expensive and restrict the home user due to the annual fees and the operating system does not belong to the user. I have enjoyed learning the basics of Linux . I am very comfortable with using the command line and have learned more by using it.
I as an computer science student use linuxfor everything and I think working on Windows is actually harder since there is no package manager where you can do "sudo apt install opencv.-dev" and can use opencv in your code....
It seems to me even if you run wine there is no practical virus exposure. Viruses often have to make system changes to work. In Linux the system (kernel) can’t be changed. In Linux a virus would actually have to download as a type of snap or flatpak to interact with the kernel properly. Maybe I’m wrong but that is the way I view it. Great vid. .
Any basic user who is only using social media/internet/email apps will never need the command line in most distros, what is this fools problem? Thanks for putting this out brother.
With that said, I love the Linux command line interface, never found anything as handy in windoze when I was still a shameful user. Windoze users: Please stop funding bill and melinda with their ties to vaccines and monsanto!
I have probably 'told' it before here, my computer has an ethernetcard which doesn't work without a driver, I can't use the internet when I just installed Windows unless I download the driver somewhere. Of course I have a backup of it and I can download it with Linux but indeed, Linux does work with that ethernetcard out of the box, Windows does not. I can record music with my electric piano without installing a driver (Linux also does not use a driver for it as far as I know) but on Linux I have to install a driver. Having said that, for printers, cameras and some 'gaming' gear it can be problematic. But nothing which you can't solve with some researc. For example, my Corsair Strafe Red (mechanical keyboard with Cherry Red switches) has full LInux support and my Steelseries mouse also works fine (not that I recommend Steelseries but that is another topic). CLI Windows has one too, command prompt and Power Shell. Less good, less complete but sometimes you need it in Windows. Indeed, in Linux you barely need the CLI but some things are easier with the CLI so people end up using it. With regard to Arch, it is not difficult to copy-paste some commands into the CLI and it is easy to figure out what these commands too. Installing Arch also is quite easy for people who have got a bit of experience with Linux. On the topic of Windows-only software. People who use Adobe Premiere really should look at Davinci Resolve: faster, fully featured and a lot less expensive. Outside that and gaming and in extreme cases MS Office, indeed, look at what you want to accomplish.
on the topic of keyboards and mice, I have run into MicroSoft branded sets of mice and keyboards that wouldn't work without installing the drivers for Windows, and LogiTech mice that wouldn't work fully without Windows drivers. Yet those same devices just worked in Linux. No "Wait, we are searching for drivers..." it just worked within a couple seconds of plugging them in for the very first time.
@@javabeanz8549 Your Linux distro contains all known drivers of common hardware. Eventually they might remove drivers for old hardware which is not used any more (in which case you should be able to solve it yourself) but for common hardware it just is built in the distro. Hence the user not even noticing the drivers as long as everything goes ok. For Windows you have to downloade the drivers from the manufacturers website. The problem for Linux is that some hardware-manufacturers (mostly printers and cameras) and software-developers (like Adobe which doesn't give ANY LInux support) still don't support Linux. This has improved a lot. For motherboards, CPU's and graphics cards it is not even a question any more, most keyboards and mice also work fine. My keyboard originally didn't get any love from the company for Linux but when a Reddit-user complained about it in a thread which a Corsair employee visits he fixed it within a few days. As far as I understand it was dumb luck, this Corsair employee visited the Reddit thread in his spare time and just helped his fellow Redditer out. As long as a piece of hardware is used a lot this kind the chance of this kind of coincidence happening is a lot larger and it is less of a coincidence than it seems. :) But we still need to do research. I would like my next keyboard to have optical switches but if it is not supported on Linux...
💯% agreed. Especially with regard to Gimp & Libre. Word is so non intuitive these days. They fucked up the interface on Word so bad, that i only use libre for daily stuff. And why the f* would anyone PAY for adobe or word when the alternatives are so much better...and FREE?! love this channel ❤️♥️❤️
Good stuff. Do you have or plan to produce a video on security in wine? I have just a couple of electronics and audio engineering programs that require wine but I don't use them every day. My questions would have to do with having wine active and available only when needed and otherwise protecting against its ability to run windows viruses. Perhaps allowing wine to only have access to certain resources or storage devices.
I seem to recall that even back in the day, Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Linux had better driver support for some PCI and PCI-E sound cards for pro audio than Windows did, to point where the audio that was recorded was more pristine sounding to untrained ears, let alone professionals, even if there was no software to run it on due to Ardour being a steaming heap back in those days. Ardour is awesome, now, and the mixed license, paid software Harrison MixBus that uses some of it's code is even better, and both run on Windows, Linux, and OS X, so that whole bit is now outdated and invalid. Reaper now has a native Linux version, as does Tracktion, and the relative newcomer to the DAW world, BitWig Studio, and the Windows versions of all 3 of those run really well (along with most of your VST2 and VST3 plugins) in Wine. If anyone wanna debate me on this subsection of the topic, I'd be glad to rub their faces in how wrong they are. Or, you can save yourself the humiliation and just look at the host of techtubers who produce commercial music entirely on Linux. Unlike most other professional industries, pro audio is a lot easier to switch from one piece of software to the next, and most of the issue is personal preference.
I do get the cartoon-is, but that doesn't change the operation and is the look of older distributions more than today. Fonts are a gripe with me. You open Ms Word and you have to hunt for the font you want, because it always loads the default font. Libre Office does the same thing, BUT the last font you used is right under it, which means I don't have to hunt through the list for it. This might seem small, but Libre Office is like that with other things as well. Item 1 My HP printer did work without updating anything. This was true with the AMD video card I had, ancient card to be fair. I put in a GTX 1050, and had to use the command line to get it setup, but that wasn't hard to do, since the instructions can be found online. Item 2 I started with DOS and then Windows 3.1, so the command line is not that scary, but I haven't used it to load applications or games other than the video drivers, so YES you don't have to use it in today's Linux. Item 3 I agree, and also you don't use the command line. You can, but you don't for most downloads. Item 4 Linux doesn't allow the access to it's system by anything without SU access, but Windows does. I am not talking about the Windows account section, but the actual Windows itself. A good example is to the system directories and the registry. With Linux you don't have that kind of access without a password prompt or asking for it, and then having to provide a password. Also the Windows command line can be run under Wine in Linux, but it doesn't have SU access, or any editing access to the Linux operating system or other users on the Linux computer. In Windows this is just not true. Item 5 I there are some out there, but who wants to pay such a high price for Photo Shop? I run Photo Impact for Windows on Linux Mint by use of Play on Linux. It runs just like it did on Windows, which is the case with most everything else I run that is made to run on Windows. I can't get L. A. Noire to run on Linux, but I can't get it to run on Windows 7, 8 or 10 either. Also older applications that can no longer run on Windows can be run on Linux. Libre Office I find is easier to use. The commands are easier to get to, unlike Ms Word. I do miss the grammar correction in Word, but that is it. As to privacy. If my Linux machine is stolen, they can't access the hard drive, even if they put it on another computer. This is just NOT TRUE with Windows. Not only can a Linux machine go anywhere on a Windows hard drive, but it can change anything there!!! In Linux you can opt to have the drive encrypted, so without the password you don't SEE anything!!! Linux is more private and more stable than Windows, which is why I switched to Linux.
@21:24 ... and you can get MS corefonts and by downloading and executing a github script even MS clearfonts. @22:19 BTW. I fancy the tool testdisk. It is as important as Timeshift or grsync because if you made a dumb mistake and "deleted" a file - which is basically to make Linux forget about it, you can restore it.
@@MarkHobbes Yeah, but why would I do that if I don't need a Windows installation to achieve that?Just: wget gist.github.com/Lysak/b98d72857dfe0af7154798a4f38cdf8e/raw/d80decb16adcb019a871e53a95ed190dcfb9a6c3/ttf-vista-fonts-installer.sh -q -O - | sudo bash ... and the clearfonts are your's to keep.
No. Those "devices" aren't things most users expect to need drivers for. What they want drivers for, which Linux usually lets them down on are their WebCam, their scanner, their RGB gaming mouse, their WiFi printer, their fax machine, their SD, MMC, PCMCIA or other USB memory card reader, their random make (trust / Genius or WHY) graphics tablet, their USB Video digitizer / TV card. They *expect* to have to go on a driver hunt, and they find that drivers-r.us (or whatever their favourite driver download website is) doesn't have *anything* for Linux and they say "well this blows, Linux totally sux ass!" Or they download the crappy thing those sites have which "guarantees it will detect your hardware for you, and install the appropriate driver" and they get a Windows exe which would have installed a bunch of ad/spy-ware while detecting VenIDs on the PCI and USB bus, matching them to pages on the host site and pulling down a crappy outdated driver to install on Windows OS. (commonly either ignoring the fact that you're running Windows 8, so Windows 7 signed drivers won't work without going into developer mode, or giving you the x86 driver for your x64 OS or some nonsense even then... so the device *technically* works, but only if ou futz with the system so much that everything else becomes slow and massively unstable, even if you hadn't installed a malware which downloaded some malware in the background, which is currently installing a bunch *more* malware as you read this ;) ) However, since they're trying Linux, they don't get the drivers, but they also don't get the malware... Which, of course "totally sux!"
I recently tried 3 distros just to catch up on the Linux sphere checking if there have been any significant improvements regarding the audio side of things. I'm sad to report not much has changed. Working with audio or many other specialized tasks is still a major PITA on that platform. If someone desires to make or produce any sort of music, please stick to Windows or Mac OS, save yourself the heartbreak & aggravation of the whole ordeal, it really isn't worth the effort. Crashes, constant crashes, endless error messages, wine not working on a consistent basis, dealing with 3 incompatible sound servers, bugs galore, instability all around; I can go on and on and on. The main issue with Linux are regressions, lack of a unified framework, fragmentation and most importantly, inability to recover from program faults and crashes. Windows does this wonderfully. My experience with Linux is most crashes bring the whole system down due to the fact that everything is put together as a chunk with no separation of drivers or other dependencies. Matthew Moore had an excellent video about this very same thing a couple of years ago. There's a ton of misinformation about Linux being a viable replacement for other OSes. It.s "ok" for the basic stuff, not ok for anything beyond that. I dumped Mint for the specific reason of having to copy/paste commands just to upgrade the system, what other OS does it like that? Also the themes are pretty horrendous on a lot of distros, screen tearing still an issue on XFCE....really? Some of those themes and glitches are bad enough to give me a migraine sometimes. To sum up, Windows/Apple might be evil empires but they have put out some pretty good products. Granted Windows 10 consumer editions are buggy but Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 Enterprise are fantastic. The enterprise edition that I use is free with a reinstall needed every nine months. Really couldn't ask for a better system to run. Sorry to say, I wouldn't recommend Linux, they're much better alternatives.
What applications are you using? I produce my audiobooks completely on Linux and I do not have any of these issues. There are even full on professional audio studios for Linux, though I do not need anything that advanced.
@@SwitchedtoLinux Thanks for the reply. AV Linux--Ubuntu Studio-KX Studio. These are specialized distros advertised as multimedia/music composition/production. A great example of power using these are: ruclips.net/channel/UCAYKj_peyESIMDp5LtHlH2A. That guy has been doing this for around 10 years and obviously knows his craft. I'm basically starting out but have hit constant snafus with Linux. And yes I have RTFM. Stability (or lack thereof) was a deal breaker. It might be my rig is 9 years old with standard on board specs (compaq intel i3 2 ssd drives, 16 GB ram) Apps came either built in or from various repos, mostly KX Studio involving composing, arranging and recording audio. My setup works fine in Windows. I'm guessing one has to be more than a casual hobbyist, something akin to being an engineer in order to succeed on Linux doing this kind of endevour. And that's OK but in my experience, it not user friendly, too many issues with breakage, crashes the whole bit that interrupts workflow and a sense that the platform is behind the times when it comes to more advance usage cases. At least on the desktop side of things. These are just observations on my part and strictly IMHO. But it was an interesting experience non-the-less, It helps to have a real working knowledge of Linux beyond ordinary Windows experiences to use it for something complex like audio or video work. Much of this involves resolving errors and that requires endless research that in my experience led to a lot of dead ends with poor documentation or way outdated info. You have a great channel, very knowledgeable about current tech, I'm sure Linux can be an alternative to many users, but as you and I know, the learning curve can be steep depending on how we use and what we expect out of Linux in general. I can testify it's definitely not Window.
I agree with almost everything you said, however GIMP falls short on a very important issue (compared to applications like Photoshop, Affinity, Corel, Pixelmator etc). It has no support for CMYK for print production. Now, since you design your book covers for print, I would love to know what you do to get your GIMP files print-ready. Another capability GIMP still doesn't have, is non-destructive editing. Even using Inkscape compared to Illustrator, I run into the same issue of lack of CMYK support, no spot color support, and no global color support. Inkscape is also pretty buggy when it comes to XY coordinate registration for designers who design websites, apps, and UI for digital screens - The zero origin point is fixed at the bottom left of the screen instead of being at the top left (and/or allowing the user to define the zero origin position). Also, it has no support for symbols, which is very important in a professional design production environment so that you are not constantly re-creating your digital assets, or have to manually propagate small changes to elements in your design). It's little things like these that are discouraging to people switching to open source apps (which happen to be the only options available on Linux). So, while GIMP and Inkscape are good for basic usage, for serious production studios or designers, it's just not a real option unfortunately
Switched to Linux I'm using 2.10.10 -- don't see an option for CMYK documents, and no non-destructive editing options either (smart filter and smart object equivalents). Am I missing something?
Oh I also want to add that while GIMP and Inkscape fall short for the professional designer, Krita and Blender for digital painting and 3D modeling and animation respectively, are solid pro level open source tools, comparable to any proprietary applications in their class. And of course, as you already mentioned, Kdenlive too is super solid - rivaling Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro.
It is a big learning curve my switch from Windows to Ubuntu. And am used to the Windows functionality. But slowly learning the Linux way. Great video, thanks for the education.
The problem is that when you need help, the first thing people tell you is go to the command line. We should tell them both ways and let them choose which way to go. The truth is the terminal is easier once you understand it.
Hey Computer Nerd...It's true that most people provide the help via command line. They do this because they are very knowledgeable of Linux and the command line and know it's quicker(many times easier) . Most provide the commands exactly how you need to enter them. All you have to do is copy and paste. This doesn't really require you to know how to use the command line.
@@brettcrisp9305 I agree with you. I find command line easier to use as well. However, I prefer to actually understand what I am doing unlike most people who just want things to work. I believe the users just needs to be shown both ways so that they can understand why the command line is better. As of now, they just see command line and think wow Linux is primitive but in fact it is not. Once they see the steps it takes to do it the gui verse command line, they will understand. In some cases, their is only one way to fix a problem and it usually the command line. I understand this is to be the case even in Windows.
@@HungryGuyStories on windows I can install natural voices, I haven't found any for linux so I keep windows on my main computer. My old eyes are getting a little dim so I use text to speech a lot. I have Solus on my laptop.
Sometimes it's not because there's no equivalent on Linux, it's just that your work/boss requires you to use that specific software on Windows (or macOS) and you have no choice. The main reason I use Windows is because I play lots of PC games. I am happy to see that Steam's Linux support is improving but the thing is there are so many games that are on other launchers/systems instead of Steam. Epic Games Launcher, Battle.net, Origin, Uplay, Bathesda Launcher, etc. Windows is still the best option for those games.
I like Linux, but I’ve spent a lot of time using gimp and still hate the interface for a variety of reasons. I’ve learned many different graphics programs and it’s not just learning curve.
I always like Flat themes, but with Linux, skeuomorphism is an option on Linux, and Windows chooses your theme for you! Atleast with Windows I don't have to choose...
Flat themes, material design themes, modern themes exist on Linux. I know some distros do not use it as default theme, but it can easily be changed. On Linux you can change, what if you do not like the way Windows looks? You cannot change it unless you do it manually - very tiring. Or download some third-party application that do it for you, but can break the system dll's. I'm not a fan of skeuomorphic design, but it is good to be able to choose.
I will say on Libre Calc I've had one hell of a time trying to figure out how to create tables the way that I did on MS Office. I used to go and just highlight cells and then click inset table. Libre only has an option for Pivot Tables (as far as I've seen). I honestly gave up and picked up a difference Office application. Still definitely on Linux though. I run virtualization applications that absolutely flourish on Linux compared to Windows.
Personally I prefer LibreOffice to MS Office. When MS chose to add the "banners" instead of menus like in old versions of them, say 03' office or so, I hated it, and when I found LibreOffice I fell back into my old ways of doing things, say 97' and before
The only drivers I have ever had bother with are the dreaded nvidia drivers, but that's down to nvidia being slackers, not the Linux guys! EDIT: Just to add, yes, Adobe is the same as nvidia as far as Linux support goes!
I have a desktop which I use to install distros and whatnot, it has an nvidia card. I've never had any major issues with drivers, the latest, proprietary ones. It's pretty much a very simple process, especially in the Ubuntus, Pop OS even comes with them enabled by default.
@cool dude Do you have any knowledge of the "machine-id" file on every Linux computer? Have a look in /etc/ for a file named "machine-id", it's one I found out about recently, it needs to go, but the likes of google chrome requires it to work, showing exactly why it cannot be trusted!
If you buy a computer and all the hardware works out of the box, this is because other people already worked really hard to get it all configured and working together. It doesn’t matter what the operating system is, or whether it’s from a big-box store or a small shop that does custom builds, somebody had to go through all the thought processes beforehand to match all those pieces.
"On the other hand, could I write inked letters holding a stylus that smells of newspapers if I wasn't linux friendly? Where's the academic lobby at?!" 🗨😘✒🐧📟💽🌡🏗🏚♨️🌁🗞⛟🛣
I think that this is overly dismissive of drivers- windows 10 made drivers mostly automatic. When I set up my new machine on Linux, I found that there simply isn't a comparable driver to the proprietary driver for Logitech (solaar didn't help). Logitech peripherals are pretty common, and the windows machine was far better in that regard.
I haven't had any driver issues with Logitech on wireless keyboards, mice or usb speakers. A Windows 10 update broke the driver for Logitech keyboards on some PC configurations but I've had all their stuff work out of the box for the past few years on the Linux distro's I've bounced between.
@@mintyfresh3152 what particular mice have you used? I can't configure my extra buttons or monitor battery level for my g602 or performance mx mice. They function but only as a basic mouse.
@@sirgermaine Did some research. Not being a gamer my Logitech mice are supported so I wasn't aware of the issue. A couple articles I read suggested programming is stored on the device and using Windows to program it with the Windows software in a virtual machine. I also found a project called libratbag on GitHub that looked like a possible solution. The gui frontend Piper's wiki is here - github.com/libratbag/piper/wiki/Installation and libratbag's wiki is here - github.com/libratbag/libratbag/wiki/Installation . I'd read through all the wiki pages before I started but it looks like your G602 and MX are supported but proceed at your own risk. Looks promising though. I apologize as I was apparently overly dismissive of special use hardware drivers.
In my experience i run arch on my laptop and mint on my desktop. Both have nvidia cards. No issues, and if there is any issue, its a simple google search away.
Sometimes some things are missing in windows apps, sometimes things are missing in linux apps. It's difficult to say which app is better. The main reason I use Linux because it's free and open. I can solve every problem because of this openness. The second reason is that it's stable, I don't need to reinstall my OS every year and my computer doesn't slow down. There's one thing however which is difficult to get around: in environments where everyone uses Windows your life become more difficult when you're the only one using Linux. But that's not the mistake of Linux. Over the years I switched more and more to native Linux apps. I have not started up windows for more than a year.
I dream of a Windows version that is read only and loads itself on start to ram together with all drivers, installed software every time you reboot again. So all would be portable and isolated, viruses could run but would never destroy the OS. To save time a good suspend/sleep mode could replace rebooting until problems arose.
One additional observation about drivers for Windows: over the last few years, drivers for older hardware on Windows has fallen into a fade-fast "dropped due to lack of support from manufacturer" shortening of lifecycle. I've run into quite a few older computers where basic hardware isn't supported on Windows, but is supported just fine under Linux.
If the manufacturer provided a driver and then you create an "updated" version of your OS that causes the driver to break, isn't the failure on you? "Lack of support" lmao
For games. I have ~850 games on my Steam/GOG accounts. Only 3 won't work in wine (yet) out of 650 games which don't have native version. And one have minor graphics issues (Killer Instinct 2013).
Many Linux applications are cartoonish.... or at least were cartoonish. The original Open Office had a cartoonish GUI that, if we are to be frank was far harder to read the the one that comes by default in Libre office on KDE, Elementary and Windows based systems today. Many programs while technically as powerful as as their Mac and Windows counterparts are only as powerfull in that the end result can be the same. You can design something in Incksape, and you can design the same thing in Adobe ilustrator, it will just take a lot less time and effort to do the design work in Ilustrator. You can use Gimp and be very patient, or you can use Photoshop and be done in a fraction of the time. You can waste hours making the formatting of your word document look just right in LibreOffice or you can upload the document on M$'s free version of Word online and be done with it in a few minutes... or you know, you can use a LaTex editor and have the document fit for the presses, not just your local office printer. Many FOSS alternatives to paid for, close source MAC and Windows programs can be used to get similar if not identical results, but that doesn't mean they are the same or even remotely similar in UI, ease of use and functionality. There's a reason why projects like the new Akira vector graphic program has some momentum - even if it's not as much as it needs - and that's because most FOSS alternatives aren't professionally looking and do in fact look cartoonish compared to their very expensive proprietary cousins. There's a reason why so many people use WPS office despite it being Chinese and quite problematic when it comes to it's licence. IT looks professional. It might be small thing to gripe about but looks do matter, and that's only talking looks, we're not even going to discuss creature comfort features like Adobe Illustrators Shape Builder tool or the dozens of prebuild Page numbering layouts or Table formats found in M$ Word. At the end of the day, there's a reason corporations usually use proprietary software and that's not always a case of they were first like Final Draft for example. Most of that bloat proprietary software comes with has it's purpose. EDIT: actually, one more thing, I live in europe and here we quite often get laptops and desktops that run FreeDOS or some other archaic OS that is extremely unqualified to run the hardware it's on. Things like OS's that can only run on one core installed on multicore i7 desktop CPU's and the like. I'm not sayign this a problem with Linux, but when most non Windows OS that come with most premade machines are either under powered and made for significantly older and out of date machines or are versions of ENDLESS LINUX... well, there's a reason people think what they think about non Windows OS's driver support.
There's often an element of familiarity bias here. AKA "(It's not what I'm used to ->) I work slower -> It sucks". Sit a GIMP user in front of Photoshop and see how he/she does... However, it's curious how most OSS solutions don't include templates. I mean, stuff based on templates often look ridiculously cheesy (and that might be a disincentive to making them), but it's often heralded as an important feature...
@@parnikkapore I'm going to have to call BS on that argument. Foss software is notorious for having bad UX design and quite often even bad icon sets. People kept using your excuse back in the days of Oppen Office, a decade ago. Thing is, the original Icon themes of OO, as well as some of the ones that are still kept in LO are mad design wise. Take for example the Tango theme with it's usage of a lower case 'a' for all normal text formatting option. And the theme has only gotten better over time. The original OO theme made it very hard to see the difference between bold and italic, with italic sometimes being so large it looked bolder them most bold text on the page. Take for example the aforementioned Inkscape - even the developers admit their UX sucks. They are developers not designers and admit that they have always been more concerned implementing the features people asked for then making sure the program had a unified design and the ease of use of some of those implemented features. Adobe probably spends millions making sure their UX is coherent and easy to use. Most FOSS alternatives are made by separate teams, usually made of programmers with little to no actual design experience. And then, we come to your GIMP example, GIMP is competent, but again, feature wise it can't really be compared to Photoshop. Just comparing the features that GIMP and Photoshop share, features like for example the brushes... are you really going to tell me GIMP 's default brushes are equal to those found in Photoshop? No, no you're not. And let's face it, most people will install quire a few more brushes in both GIMP and Photophop. But... not only are the default brushes in Photshop better but there are also more alternatives that the user can DL, some even cost money, some quite the large sum - and people pay for them, gladly. There is no image you can create in Photoshop that you can't create in GIMP. No vector art you can Create in Adobe Illustrator that you can't create in Inkscape. But the amount of time someone intimately familiar with any one of those programs will take to make that image or that vector art will differ widely based on the tools the program or the community provides. Adobe not only provide more tools out of the box, but the community supplies more tools too. Adobe doesn't have a virtual monopoly over the creative industry because it's expensive or because it's the de facto standard. It has a virtual monopoly because the alternatives that exists are gimped versions of what they offer. (no pun intended) Both a Tesla model 3 and a Ford model T are cars. They will both get you from point A to point B. But to claim that a 2019 Tesla Model 3 is the equivalent of a 1919 Ford Model T would be disingenuous. Now, in regards to templates... I dunno about you, but most offices I've passed through have had their fair share of custom templates. As for prebuild ones, while I never much used prebuild templates in MS Office when I was still using that I have to say that the large volume of default templated offered by office for general formating (title/header1/header2 and the like) as well as the default table templates as well as the page number templates are things that I always found myself using. Wile LibreOffice will leave by default a blue/gray square around your page number M$ Office actually shows the how the page number will look when printed. While you have to manually introduce the number in the footer in LO, you have to look for a separate option to ad the page number anywhere else but the head or footer in M$. While you have to select your own color pallet to modify a table in LO and make it look acceptable, you can just select for any one of the many, many default table options in M$ and be satisfied with a more then professionally looking table. Wile M$ has invested millions into professionally designed fonts that look great both on the screen and in print, LO comes with a bunch of second rate fonts designed to take up as much space as the proprietary fonts M$ uses. There ins't any way you can format a document in M$ that you can't format it in LO, but let's face it, with a multitude of proprietary fonts, a multitude of light, pastel colored general document formats that are best described as inoffensive, and a plethora of options that can take much of the nitty gritty of formatting for your hands, making a written document or a presentation look appealing has never been easier. The days of laughably bad clip art are long gone when it comes to M$ Office, it's 2019 not 1999. Now, will most people acutely use all those nice, pastel collared table templates? No, most offices will just use black text in black boxes on white papers - ink costs money after all. There might be the occasional use of color, but that will usually be for a business meeting with a new client or something similar where you have to spend money in the hopes of making more. But that doesn't change the fact that M$ puts the most common document formatting setting at your fingertips for those times when you need them wile LO... well, Libre Office would be a great alternative to the office that came with Windows 98. Most proprietary software costs money. That means most proprietary software makers have money to spend on not only implementing new features in their software but on making the software look good. By comparisons most FOSS software is made by small volunteer teams. The lack of professional designer means the software's Icons are likely to look cartoonish. The lack of a living wage for the developers of FOSS programs means new features might be years in the making, and that's if they are ever implemented. This doesn't mean FOSS software is bad, but it does mean it's not just a "it's different" kind of thing. The end result might be comparable, but that doesn't mean FOSS does everything proprietary does, and some of those small things proprietary software does are enough to make people willing to pay for it. When people say GIMP doesn't do X thing Photopshop does, they don't mean they can't get the same end result using GIMP, they mean it takes a lot more steps and time to achieve the same result in GIMP, indifferent if they are familiar with GIMP or not.
tl;dr the author of this comment prefers paid software due to the amount of research poured into their UI for the optimal UX and the improved workflow for normal things. But dang, walls of texts are a big turn-off. Forgive me if I completely missed the point, but your argument is something inflexible people make.
@@tiberionjraxiosn9493 You did miss my point. My argument is that sometimes proprietary software is objectively superior to FOSS and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. And I'm not just talking UI. As I said before, just look at Adobe Illustrator's Shape Builder tool. Not only isn't there a FOSS alternative to that, but it's unlikely we'll ever get one. That tool can save a designer hours of work every week. It's absence doesn't stop anyone using Krita/inkscape from making the same thing someone in Illustrator might make, but the amount of time needed to reach the same result can be prohibitively high for a professional designer. I prefer FOSS and as of last week I've completely moved over to Linux and FOSS - but my livelihood isn't dependent on software such as the one made by Adobe - others are not that fortunate. It is important to differentiate between software like Final Draft - a glorified WYSIWYG text editor with a few solid presets and templates - and software like most of Adobe's creative suit, or even M$'s Office suit that are only bloated with features if you don't know how to use said features or if you never need them. Also, my apologies for predating Twitter.
I feel like the sentiment that "driver issues aren't as bad or wide-spread as they used to be" is also true for Windows. I've built a couple computers recently, as well as transplanted two drives to different machines, and haven't had any issues with drivers. I haven't needed a driver disc or to download from manufacturers' websites in years, not since 8.1, or maybe even 7. When is the last time you've built a computer and went through the Windows install process?
Completely agree with 99% of all you say, except LibreOffice automation. This is LO's achilles heel: I've addressed it with LO's developers but they aren't considering it an issue. You want LO to be a *serious* contender to MSO? automate via Python. That will blow MSO out of the water... I would swap in a heartbeat. VBA is a joke, Python is a killer environment. That SunMoonStar thing Frankensteined from ApacheOffice is hopeless. Python is the way to go: expose LO's functionality with Python and you have a killer app.
I'll give you one example: - Choppy video on XUbuntu. This problem exists since 2013 at least. If you google it, you will see that the same bug appears constantly. Now, the question is, why is this bug not removed by the bloated egos of distro-maniacs in the meantime? A million dollar question. And, should anyone trust these guys for reliability? No. Along with this stuttering bug, there is another bug on my screen after freshly installing XUbuntu - an icon of a speaker appearing and disappearing in a pulsating manner, without any apparent cause. Why would I persist using XUbuntu? I can see from these couple of examples that people who stand behind this "distro" are amateurs who don't take their job seriously. Free or for a fee, it doesn't really matter, they should make sure their product works. Before this I tried Manjaro, on Manjaro I couldn't even install my printer. I have found driver for this particular printer (Brother HL-L2300d) and there was a WARNING telling me that it is DANGEROUS to install this driver. I've never seen anything like this and I have a computer since 1987. My Epson scanner refused to work on all "distros" I tried so far. Before Manjaro, I tried Mint Cinnamon, and it was working very sluggishly and using too much of CPU for no reason so I uninstalled it. I later read that it was a known bug, but, you know what... I'm done with Cinnamon. Now, after these 3 attempts, I've stopped trying. I had good will, but not being able to use hardware I have plus stupid bugs which should have been eradicated long time ago, killed my enthusiasm. Also, when installing or uninstalling programs, Linux is very unfriendly and very unintuitive. That is a BIG problem, much bigger than it appears to those who are already proficient in using this OS. Seeking solutions on Wiki is far from practical and that cannot replace a good tutorial and better conceived UI.
I build my own PCs and dual boot Windows 10 (for gaming and CaptureOne) and Majaro (for everything else). I have to say, re-installing both OS's recently was actually a breeze regarding drivers etc. It takes longer to close down all the holes to stop Windows from sending out all your data back to Microsoft.
A novice computer user with very basic skills who also has very basic computing requirements could just as easily use a preconfigured Linux computer as a preconfigured Windows computer. It's often when you have slightly higher expectations of your computer system that you run into some issues, but even then, if it's preconfigured for you, it would be unlikely to be an issue. Linux isn't Windows though so if you're coming from a Windows environment to a Linux environment there WILL be a degree of learning required. I used to use Brother printers, Tom, and it did require me to use the terminal to install them if I followed the online instructions. I gave the printer to my 'brother' and THEN found there were drivers for it in the AUR as well! I now have a HP printer and things are a lot simpler. Sometimes wireless adapters can also be an issue. After 12 months, I found I could make most things happen in Linux that I needed to happen, and now after 18 months it is mostly a doddle. That said, I don't have complicated requirements either... but I have learned what I mostly needed to learn... and I'm coming up to 65, so age wasn't a barrier. Oh, I have a NVIDIA GPU and I recently changed from NVIDIA drivers to open source drivers and it just WAS NOT an issue, everything works just the same. Please note though, I am NOT a gamer. Thanks for your content, Tom.
I sent HP a very nasty email back when they did not support Linux very well and their support got much better. Coincidence? I think not! You're welcome.
@@1pcfred Well, thank you, kind sir... I will be forever indebted to you :) The biggest issue for me, as an Aussie, was actually 'finding' a relatively basic HP MFC that didn't cost the earth lol... but I did... eventually :)
@@emjaycee that was when I was first starting out with Linux and I was trying to use hardware I'd bought to use in Windows. I don't even want to say what I paid for that ink jet printer, but they were very expensive back then. So I was super mad it didn't work in Linux. I told HP that too. But I've a feeling I may not be the only one that told them something along those lines. Then not too long later HP started supporting Linux. I think within maybe a year? Getting a printer to work back then was pretty hard even if there was a driver for it. This was back in the days of a print server and printcap. Long before there was CUPS for Linux. HP went from the worst to I'd say the best Linux printer support. So they really turned it around.
@@1pcfred That's why I made the change to HP... definitely the best printer support in Linux from what I can see. Australia is just a difficult market, Linux and Linux products don't get any coverage over here whatsoever... and minimal support. I paid roughly 10% more to get a product that ran about 20% slower. The speed wasn't an issue for what I do, and it may well be a higher quality product overall. All I care about is that it works lol.
@@emjaycee from my perspective just about everywhere else is a difficult market. I've heard the same sad story from many folks on many occasions. In fact the figures you quote seem to be on the better side of things comparatively. So you're really not doing too badly at all. Go to South America if you want something to cry about or maybe Eastern Europe perhaps. By all accounts they have it tough. Then there's those criminal organizations with their extortionate VAT taxes. What nerve! See that's why we keep our guns here. So no one gets any bright ideas. Most today are pretty sure you can't take it with you. Rile us up enough and they may find out firsthand whether that's true, or not.
My oldest daughter is 9 now. She has seen me use command line all her life. She used to say my dad has black screen with green letters, he's commanding! :)
hacker father spotted : P
My wife and daughter are kind of spoiled with me making sure Linux and Windows both just work for them and are clean and safe to use. The closest thing they've seen to a virus is Windows updates messing up things or bugs in Windows. Spoiled, I tell you.
I guess children are calling you Commander. ;)
Good work sir, teach them how to properly use a computer young. ;)
Linux FTW.
"Linux doesn't have a problem with Adobe. Adobe has a problem with Linux!" lol
There's no problem at all if the software is actually not available.
Adobe said the`re worried about it`s digital property as Linux users won`t pay for a image solution.
@@GameLocadora I forget where I was reading the stats about this; but in game sales- Linux users actually pay more and pirate less than Windows users. (Like they were 4x more likely to pay for a game lol)
They concluded it may have something to do with Linux users appreciating the devs, as well as having more money due to a free OS.
@@mashrienI understand your point, but I've talked about common programs, specially for editing images.
By the way, I've talked about free programs, not piracy.
@@GameLocadora Which is an bullshit argument. As their software is one of the most pirated software on Windows. Also besides common Linux Users there are also companies which would using their software and of course pay for it.
IMHO the real reason is that Adobe is not a very competent software company. If you consider all the bugs and security issues their software has.
BTW: You kinda suggested piracy by talking about "digital property" and "won't pay" :)
When something doesn’t work on windows or macOS, it’s the software developers fault. When it doesn’t work on Linux, it’s Linuxes fault. WAT.
The funny part is that nobody realises how powerful Wine is. The only case Wine cannot run a program is when the developers deliberately don't support it with DRM, anticheat etc. Which makes it 2x developers' fault.
I used GIMP before switching to Linux. No way I'm going to pay for Photoshop.
I can relate. I believe I went straight from WordPerfect to OpenOffice if memory serves and from there to LibreOffice. When one of my previous employers insisted on MS Office use, I only used Outlook and bypassed the firewall to install LibreOffice. Our IT guy called me laughing and said he only used LibreOffice too. I got a lot of calls after that to help with software upgrades and installations as our corporate offices were more than 100 miles away (and my hours were cheaper).
Gimp is pretty good once you learn how to use it.
You pay for Photoshop?
You pay for Photoshop?
I remember when I was a grad assistant back at the turn of the millennium. We GAs got deep discounts on Windows programmes. I paid $5 for Windows 98 SE (retail ~$100), $7 for MS Office Professional (retail $259), $8 for Corel WordPerfect Suite 8 (retail ~$60), and $85 for SPSS (retail >$200). It was all worth it then; they came in handy when I did research on housing prices and Churches. Later on, I was able to replicate the statistical work, first with MS Excel, then with OpenOffice/LibreOffice Calc with R (I was running SuSE Linux on the latter).
I balked, though, at paying $100 for Adobe Photoshop--even if I would have gotten an 87% discount. So I got GIMP.
As an aside, Shortly after learning how to use Calc with R, my father-in-law wanted to give copies of an old painting (19th century) of the area where he grew up (near Raton, NM) to friends and relatives. Unfortunately, the painting had faded, and, if separated from the glass, would have crumbled. So, his brother-in-law and I took several digital photos from several angles (so the glare would be in different spots of the picture!), then I used GIMP, first, to splice the photos to get rid of all the glare, then to restore the colour. I was very pleased with the results: It looks almost freshly done, aside from a very thin, barely visible line where I did some of the splicing. I use it sometimes, as a desktop wallpaper.
I have been a Windows user for most of my adult life. I ran my own MSP company and still consult in my spare time. I got into Apple for a couple of years, while it had its merits I had preferred using Windows until dare I say it Windows 10. I started dabbling into Linux starting mainly on Ubuntu & Linux Mint. I now run all of my computer labs solely on Linux Distro's. With one machine for my Windows use. What I had problems with I could always Google or use a forum to find a resolution.
I came accross your channel, Distrotube & Joe Collins and they have been a breath of fresh air. Clear concise videos showing what, how to config & the merits of of each have been extremely inspirationl to me. I recommend to all of my colleagues to religiously watch the channel & I can happily report that quite a few family & friends have taken the leap & have not looked back.
Individuals like yourself are a providing a great service to the "average" newb community & I.T. literate individuals alike. Keep up the great work.
Thanks!
The only complaint I have about Linux so far, compared to Windows, is that Mozilla and Google still haven't added GPU-acceleration to the browser for videos. Other than that Linux has been great in the first year that I switched. It feels like it gives more control to the user and these days it is a lot less bloated than Windows. Windows has gotten a lot more bloated since Windows 10 while Linux has debloated a lot. Look at the CPU-load, the RAM-usage and the boot-time, it all has improved a lot in the last few years for many DE's and distros. Even for gaming Linux is an acceptable platform these days, not as suitable as Windows yet but it will only keep improving in the next years. :)
I am interested in your comparison between the three operating systems given your experience. I myself only used Windows (XP, 7 and 10) and Linux. I have very little experience with OSX but when I see it in action on RUclips it seems to have certain features in common with Linux.
@@peterjansen4826 I loaded Windows 10 awhile back and it said that it's web application is faster than Fire Fox. I noticed that Fire Fox is light years faster on Linux than Windows. My question is did Microsoft slow down Fire Fox? I see this most going into Juno, which loads almost instantly on Linux, but in pieces on Windows.
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I agree, Firefox runs faster on Linux, Blender also runs a lot better on Linux and when I install LaTeX it also goes a lot faster on Linux than on Windows. I don't know why. The less bloat on Linux might have to do with it, I know for certain that Windows uses at least double the RAM for both the OS and Firefox. One guy who is a software developer told me that he noticed that Windows literally puts everything in RAM twice, that adds up to what I have observed just looking at the numbers.
My impression is that Linux is in every way a superior OS compared to Windows but unfortunately n00bs/newbies don't use it, yet, and third party software still gets developed for Windows first. I see many people, both n00bs/newbies and more experienced users, complain a lot about Windows, few of them try out Linux, even after recommending it. A few people whom I recommended to try it out did. I think that it would help if there would be one good distro which we refer users to, unfortunately at the moment that is Mint. No, I am not doing Mint-bashing, Mint is not gamer-friendly, that is why popOS would be a better Ubuntu-fork to recommend to newcomers who game. Manjaro is gamer-friendly but you need to make a few small tweaks.
If someone doesn't want to use Linux, I'm OK with that. I don't get points for making converts. Sure, I'd like to share the great features of Linux, but if someone is satisfied with Windows or MacOS, there's no reason to change.
"Different packages for each distro" - debunked (thank you!) But isn't Windows (or MacOS for example) the logical equivalent of a different distro which requires its own package format? YES!
The problem is when people think of Windows as 'normal' and everything else as 'other', when in fact ANY operating system is a matter of choice and will be somewhat different to the others.
I grew up with DOS/VS and MVS on IBM mainframes, GECOS on Honeywell mainframes, CMS/MCP on Burroughs systems, MPE on HP3000, CP/M on microcomputers, and Unix versions such as HP/UX and Sun Solaris (my favourite). Yes, they all had different commands and syntaxes and even logic, but none of them was 'normal' unless you had only ever worked exclusively on that system, without any experience of the others. Indeed, people who had only ever worked on IBM mainframes were the equivalent back then of Windows bigots today. They need to get out more!
(Analogy: people who have only ever spoken one language and therefore think that everyone else should speak that language too ...)
As someone who taught both Photoshop and Corel Draw classes, I can definitely confirm that even with that software you needed to take the time to learn how to use them.
Photoshop does some things very well, but GIMP is a very capable program that can do most if not all of the tasks most users require.
Way back in the stone age (about 10 to 20 years ago), I was messing with Ubuntu and it was a royal pain in the @$$ to get drivers for my printer and codecs so I could watch videos and listen to MP3s. But things have greatly improved. Now, I have a bleeding edge (or it *_was_* bleeding edge two years ago) machine with a Xeon processor, gigs upon gigs of ram, and a Quadro GPU, and I had problems at first finding a distro that would run on it (it came with Win 7). But when I installed Mint, everything worked "out of the box."
Same with Manjaro.
Everything out of the box, and no need to use flatpak, appimage or snap.
If it was actually Ubuntu, that would be around 15 years ago, 4.10 was release October 2004. And yes, I started on 6.06, there were some issues with printers, but by 7.10, that was mostly sorted out. And since I really don't need Gaming, CAD or Video Production graphics, I just stayed with the onboard Intel graphics since the Core 2 Duo days, whenever possible, rather trouble free. Prior to that, I fought with Fedora and a dual monitor setup on an nVidia card, and it took some tweaking to get it all working consistently.
I originally started with linux in 88 and 89... i went to Best Buy and bought SUSE with the manual an all. I tried Red Hat and several others. Back in those days Network cards were not supported very well and my experience was horrible. I can remember arguing with a linux supporter friend and saying "I just want something that works" so I stayed with windows 98. All is way better now
@@tomslikk2130 I think that you meant that you started with Linux in '98 and '99. Linus created Linux in 1991. As for networking issues, in those days, you had to make sure that all of your hardware worked with Linux before installing it. If you did that, you would have had NO problems. That's still true today, even though Linux supports a vast amount of hardware today.
@@BruceBigby - you right but still my point was it was horrible at first but it is a great system now.. That's all I was trying to relay.
I confirm about drivers.
I had an old netbook and out of the box everything worked great. But when I updated to Windows 8, touchpad didn't have scroll on right side or double finger scroll, etc. I had to go to netbook manufacturer web site, search for drivers. Some drivers didn't work. I wasn't able to get scroll on right side of touchpad.
Then, a few years later, I installed kubuntu on it and I was AMAZED - everything worked from the box. 2 finger scroll, right side scroll, etc.
It was a big wow effect since I was told linux had problems with drivers.
Why would it be a problem that a different distribution has a different package manager? It doesn't affect my use of the distribution I use, and the Software Center hides the implementation details anyway.
You could say Windows has 3 types of packages: .exe, .msi and Windows Store.
and don't try to move some of those between different versions of Windows, they don't work...
Im affraid I think the guy is right in his comments in my opinion,I have used it for many years now, mainly for stability using different distros.
Its very stable
However just why you cannot click on a program to install is beyond me in this day and age, remembering APT-GET-INSTALL package name, good
god,do they know what year it is,most of us have to keep a notebook to remember our Pin numbers.
On the subject of cartoon like applications, he is right there is no common layout or theme, as in windows and look like they came off an atari ST.
It is similar ,as to how you can spot a Win XP program.
The plus is its free, but it will soon be a dead operating system in my opinion, with their refusal to move
forward in time.They foolish enough to drop their only touch friendly Distro. (Suicide im afraid).
The open source nature of the OS is a great idea in theory but isnt it better to have 1 or 2 usable Distros rather than 80 plus that are useless to the
average person.
Linux is great as a server but a pain to install.
As a Desktop other than novelty value dont bother unless you like stress and frustration.
@@sunrisesystems9280 you can distribute click-to-install applications if you want, and some distros come with tools to allow for click-to-install of generic package types, but it's not the way Linux works in general. Windows has adopted the way Linux works, by providing a Windows Store as a central repository of applications, so how bad can Linux be really?
You don't need to remember command lines in Linux─you generally install things from GUI applications. The command line allows you to write a script to install a suite of applications, so it's a benefit not a drawback.
There is no common theme in Windows, even in the applications written by Microsoft and installed by default. Linux desktops do publish design guidelines, but nobody has to follow them, although distros don't have to include applications which don't follow the guidelines, so that's not an issue in the first place.
People complain that Gnome is touch-friendly, whereas you complain that "they" dropped the only touch-friendly distro. There is no "they" deciding which distros get dropped, and there are still distros designed for mobile devices.
@@sunrisesystems9280 Here's a tip. If you want your Linux experience to go perfectly, I suggest that you ensure that ALL of your hardware works with Linux before you install it. When you buy a computer with Windows in the store, the manufacturer ensures that Windows runs on the hardware before placing it in stores to sell to the user. All of the software is present on the computer and verified to run. You can buy Linux hardware from DELL or Pogo or System76, too, and everything will work out of the box.
However, if you already have hardware, and want to run Linux on it, you MUST do the job of verifying that your hardware can run the distribution that you choose. You can do that by creating and booting a Live USB Linux Distribution. If the Live Distribution runs, including networking, then you are golden. If something doesn't work, then you know ahead of time. How you proceed after that is up to you. Either replace the hardware that doesn't work with hardware that does work, and then install Linux, or forgo using Linux. This is not an issue with Linux.
@@sunrisesystems9280 I don't know what you are using, but installation of a Linux server it pretty simple. Ubuntu, at least, has progressively made server installation more simple over time. And as to the DEs, I have less issues with Linux DEs than I have ever had with Windows or OSX. So in my experience, what you described, doesn't seem to exist. Windows or OSX gets stuck, power button and hold, and hope you haven't corrupted your drives. Last time I had Cinnamon freeze up, I hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and a few seconds later, I was back at the login screen. Last two times I have had Mate freeze up, I did have to use the power button, but both times, things came right back to where I left them, other than any unsaved documents. Save often!
I fixed a Dell XPS, and I decided that I was going to install Windows 7... So, I got the ISO off someone from my Discord, entered in the product key, and activated Windows. But I couldn't get the correct screen res, couldn't get my right usb port to work, my wireless card was broken so I had to use my phone for USB tethering, and I got an error when I was trying to install the official Dell drivers... Yeah... It's easier to get Pure Arch running properly...
No duh. Win7 isn't actively supported. Go figure.
1) Issues with drivers: debunked.
2) Forced use of the command line: debunked (with caveats see comment below)
3) Different package for each distro: debunked
4) Viruses and websites: debunked for sure.
5) Issues with some apps: no applicable since the app problem is not being properly addressed. The new linux user has the mentality of: can I run X program? We need to change that mentality from that into, what other software allows me to do what X does?
Biggest problem for the new linux user or the windows user looking to make the switch is, still, the community. The person that started this discussion mentioned how sometimes the community can make people think they are losers for asking a question or using Windows in this case. I think that's still pretty spot on. I know people here in your channel, or in some forums (in some) are friendly, but for the most part the same, toxic, RTFM attitude persists. If you've never been a regular windows user you don't know how they troubleshoot. They go to google and search for their symptoms, they reach a website or blog where someone ran into the same problem (or similar enough) and try that solution. Rarely do they need to go into a forum and actually ask a question. Compare that to linux where they do the same but often there aren't that many blogs where issues are solved, so the new linux user has to go into a forum and register to post a question, which either receives the RTFM answer of they give you some command without further explanation, so now you're forced to use the command line which can be scary to a new user (it's not but it seems that way). How can we expect people to use the linux we know and love when they feel personally insulted by not knowing something we've known for years.
This is getting a lot better with people like Tom guiding the new user and not only giving orders from atop, but actually explaining what things do. But this is still very early goings.
If you want to give the new linux user a good experience, you have to act as tech support. I have no problem with this, but it's not for everyone. I think we as a linux community are trying too hard to convert as many people as we can to linux without first bilding up our community to 1) accept the new user, and 2) having more and more resources for the new user.
This is why I think we need more channels like Tom's. Tom always says, do not ask if you can run Photoshop on Linux, ask what software allows you to do what you do in Photoshop. This channel goes into common tasks like writing and editing photos, which is the stuff people need to feel like they know how to do. They don't need help using Facebook on Firefox, that's the same everywhere. And this channel also provides new insights regarding how linux looks. Tom's video on how the new Cinnamon has the icons on the taskbar behaving like the Windows taskbar, was all I needed for a coworker to try Linux Mint. He's not a full linux user yet, but he's dual booting now.
Long rant just to say this: keep up the good work Tom.
Yeah, most forums are pretty ass. If you have any problem you can't easily just google (or duckduckgo or whatever floats your boat) it and expect to get an answer. Most threads go like this:
Joe: "specific thing doesn't work on my whatever installation, help!?"
Larry: "run this command and this command and then this and post all of it here and maybe we can help you out"
Joe: nevermind its fixed
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First of all, i love Linux, and these debunking videos.
I do however need to point out, a few factual errors. Windows NT based systems, have build as multiuser, operating systems from ground up. And since Windows Vista, the first user is no longer an unrestricted administrator. But a UAC administrator, which is basically like Sudo.
We should be careful, not to debunk Linux myths, by spreading Windows myths ourselves.
Isn't it easy for a virus to bypass the UAC though?
It's really easy to bypass the UAC ive had my fair share in experience that. Reason i switched to linux
Evading the hacker by becoming the hacker
Chill out, windows lusers won't understand it anyways. All they care about is brand name and brand value.
@@ashwinrawat9622 no I use both Linux and windows and windows users care about windows programs and i care about games
@@moved5600 That's an understatement!!!
It really sounds like holdovers from the ancient GNU Linux days of the 90s and early 00s that haven't gotten replaced by updated facts.
I find this guy a little enthusiastic about Linux and drivers, I tried Mint as the reviews were pretty good and quickly found out that it wont talk to my iPhone at all. I tried all suggestions on the Mint forum and the most common answer was maybe I should buy a decent Android phone. An iPhone is hardly exotic hardware, it's fair to say it's quite popular, I got told many times that this is an Apple issue which I am sure it is but it doesn't change the fact that Linux out of the box doesn't support most hardware.
Now I really wanted Linux to work to a certain degree as I despise Windows 10 and I was checking out different alternatives but the sad truth is in 2019 Linux just wont work as my primary OS and I have been trying since 2004, sure it slowly gets better but still after 15yrs of trying it still lacks development in critical and sometimes basic areas. It supported my network and graphic drivers but they didn't drive the hardware to it's full potential and it was often slow and lagging compared to Windows 7 that was much quicker. That surprised me as Linux was always quicker than Windows on previous attempts. I had other issues and all of them required the command line to solve them so yes the command line is still vital in Linux.
As for virus attacks, well I haven't had any virus infection on Windows since 7 was released, most people who get viruses often are usually to blame. If you use the same software and don't visit stupid sites then chances are you wont get any Malware.
Like it or not some people need Adobe products to work and to say Linux has programs that do the exact same thing is nonsense, it's just not true, Gimp is very different to Photoshop. I do like Open Office more than MS Office which is a bloated mess but again they are different.
I believe that for an average user Linux could serve them well compared to Windows but your average Windows user would be lost using Linux, the task of migrating would be too tough and their mindset is all wrong as they are expecting Linux to work just like Windows . They are used to a world that sacrifices security over usability and get upset at even having to click an extra button never mind entering a password to make changes. In truth advanced users who migrate to Linux always state that it can be a rocky and challenging road ahead, getting it installed and setup left them in two minds but after some time they finally became used to it. Linux is a great OS but I often find many users tend to ignore the problems that still exist and simply claiming it's not a Linux issue is arrogant and instantly steers potential users straight back to Windows..
Out of the box Linux supports MOST hardware, not all but most. The first time I tried to get pictures off an iPhone onto my Windows 7 computer I had to jump through hoops for 45 minutes to figure it out.
The number one thing I call bullshit on is the community. I am new to Linux, coding and command line and this community has been so supportive in all of my questions. Guiding me to videos, not just their own but any one that could help and sending emails and messages personally to help.
I was using Ubuntu since it's 10.04 LTS release. I switched to Windows 10 after so many people hyped over it. After having so many BSOD with Windows 10 I came back to Ubuntu 18.04 and everything is awesome again
@Marco D'Magnifico BSOD still exist and is more prevalent than before. Although this happen only when you use some peripheral (graphic cards / UPnP devices, some printers etc.) and one of the system application or even firewall decide to stop all this for no reason suddenly.
With Ubuntu, there is better support for the drivers and hence it work seamlessly.
I agree on all your points but I also wanted to add some of my own too:
1.Drivers: Since Windows 10 the need to search for a driver and manually install it is very minimal to non-existent anymore. Windows 10 is pretty good about seeking out specific drivers that it needs or using a generic driver as a place holder. I find Windows 10 finding well over 95% of the drivers it needs unless the hardware is very old and do not have a driver that is supported in Win10. It's nothing like Windows XP days where you had to search, download, install most of your drivers for it. Windows 95 was the worst at this.
2. Forced to use the command line in Linux: Nope, just as you said. It may seem like that is the case since you see more Linux users using/enjoying the command line. But, I can tell you there are a lot of instances I use the command line in Windows (when fixing it).
3. Different packages for each: First, just use the GUI Software Center. Second, just like you stated it's .rpm or .deb. Third, each package manager has a different name and different ways of installing, uninstalling software. It's not hard to learn each and some use the same options as the other guys which means easier to learn. For instance - Ubuntu uses 'apt install'. Solus uses 'eopkg install'.
4. Viruses and Websites: Don't get mad that Linux really doesn't need Anti-virus programs. It's not only inherently more secure but also has a much smaller user-base than Windows meaning less incentive to create viruses for. Bonus: 99% of the server market is a variation of Unix or Linux including most all websites run on Linux. Think about that - Websites you visit that could have malware on them destined for Windows are running on Linux. Hmmm...
5. Issues with some Applications. Such as? I mean the whole Adobe thing is so cliche to bring up. Learn to learn something new then lets talk.
Lastly - I will say the only issues I run into frequently with Linux are Screen Tearing issues resolved by using a compositor. But I also notice Firefox can still show a diagonal tearing when scrolling through wordy pages (depending on the PC). Cheap Intel graphics cards that may have screen glitches on most lighter Distros due to open source video card driver. And lastly the sleep/wake up where it won't wake up.
Linux Mint is one of the best distros out there that is easy to use, theme, and alleviates most of the issues I just described. Great for beginners and experienced. Right now, I'm using POP!OS & Ubuntu. Just not a fan of Snap packages (I'm talking to you Ubuntu).
Linux can really be a fun experience if you just relax and like learning new stuff. Don't try to understand it all in one weekend, just take your time with it. At first, I didn't care for it either mostly because it was all new and different. Once you learn to respect it's differences you start to appreciate all it offers you. One of the great things about Linux is how light it is and you really can make it your own by theme-ing it and scripting. For me, I enjoy the themes but do you know Linux is easier to network than Windows is. I got a Raspberry Pi setup as a Samba server shared on the home network so everyone can share music/photos and files.
#4 continuation.. At least a malicious EXE running in WINE still can't run as root, can't jump user privileges. So, still inherently safer even if you allow that malicious EXE to run. For reference, I did test out running Wannacry on an Ubuntu machine, and yeah it encrypts everything in the user folder still, but can't touch anything outside the user folder. Though watch out, cause Wannacry can jump across your network if you have SMB enabled lol. Don't do as I do.. Please don't lol.
bhahahahahahah did you infect your housemates/family's pc's with wannacry? if yes then great work lol! keep it up you soldier of fortune
@@dragonboyjazz no. You turn off smb... like I said. Duh
@@dragonboyjazz Though admittedly, that sounds fun hahahah! But unfortunately, every other machine on the network is also my own. My workstation, and 2 servers.. All of which utilize SMB across my LAN. So yeah, when I test malware, SMB gets disabled, or even pull the cord if you don't know what it's going to do lol.
Who cares about the root folder? My data is in the home folder. The first thing to do is to backup your data BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP
As someone who has literally just switched to Linux Mint on my secondary laptop, I had not set up issues whatsoever. Worked directly out of the box and updated via the GUI not via the command line. As for the command line, I do use it, because I want to learn how to, why would I want to ignore such a powerful tool? There were a few things I had to check online, but 72 hours in, I am 99% sure I will be moving my main gaming laptop over to Linux as well.
Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.... Agreed. Agreed. Gradually switching. My home plex server crashed with the last win10 upd, and that was the last straw for me. We're running Mint permanently now on that machine. And i'm luving it. Sometimes the fam goes in that room to use the machine when nothing else is available.. with mint, the kids are unaffected (mostly youtube), me/wife unaffected (urls to Office online), and found linux versions of most of the stuff we use. Gradually planning to switch kids laptops as well. As for plex, works beautifully... using any other machine in the house you'd never know that we switched.
Hi, I'm a Windows IT Pro who is currently trying to make this shift over to GNU Linux at home. I'm actively trying to force myself over to Linux and don't mind putting in extra effort to work things out. Over the last few months these are my feelings regarding the points in this video:
1. Drivers on Windows PCs generally aren’t a problem any more and haven’t been for a while. Windows has become very good and fetching any drivers it hasn’t got out of the box. For example I deploy out Windows 10 images which just have the out of the box drivers, we have a lot of random hardware but haven’t had to manually install drivers. Back in the Windows XP days doing a clean install was problematic with drivers but I don’t think I’ve had to manually install a Windows 10 PC driver in many years.
Generally the only time I have to install drivers on any Windows systems these days is on servers with things like ILO or Fiber adapters.
On the Linux side I’ve generally found drivers to be good. I’ve had repeated problems with AMD GPU drivers not installing or showing artifacts with Unity based games which is my only bug bare. I’m aware this is caused by AMD’s poor driver support but it doesn’t discount the problem.
I would like to see some real world testing where various ages of hardware are tested with Windows and Linux to see what is supported out of the box. Otherwise its just conjecture.
2. For the majority of users I expect you wouldn’t need to use the terminal. I would be happy to give my parents a LinuxMint PC without worrying about it. That said the default I would still consider Linux to be “command line first” in regards to anything more advanced or any troubleshooting. This is both a blessing and a curse. You can probably do whatever you need to do but it does have a steeper learning curve. Going back to my previous point regarding AMD Drivers. If I want to install the latest driver I have to run a script from the terminal. amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/.
3. I feel like the question here was badly worded, its not that the packages are different, its that the method for getting the package varies depending on the Distro/Application, that’s where the fragmentation problem is. For example if I want to get the NextCloud client some distros have it in their repo, some don’t and you have to go get the Appimage.
I’ve found the repos and different package formats like (PPA/Flatpak/Snap) more of a hindrance then a help. I get the idea but its far too fragmented, at least with Windows I know I need to just go and download the program directly from the developer. With Linux it might be in the built in package manager, it might be in there but be an older version, it might be in there but not run etc etc.
4. No problems with what you said. Safer.
5. No problems with what you said. Users will need to relearn the equivalent programs.
The latest version of Office 365 and LibreOffice do have a few feature differences. For example O365 has great a great “Read Aloud” option, this requires extensions in LibreOffice.
Over all I wouldn’t say either is better or worse but they will require re-education morning from one to the other. At least with Libre Office you could get used to it on Windows before making the switch to linux. I would sorely miss Outlook however and ThunderBird/Evolution just doesn’t cut the mustard.
U less you're trying to use an AMD GPU for content creation ( it's equal to nvec or cuda)..there is no need to I stall an AMD GPU driver as the correct ones are already built into the kernel...u less you're trying to use something older than a freaking 7970 aka r9 280 from 7 plus years ago.
I love Linux and i like to use it as often as possible. But still my two most used PCs are Windows based. For the why i have to add some small points to your Argumentation:
1. Yes Linux Distributions offer more Hardware support than Windows by far. But every usb based device, any Printer, any Multi purpose Device comes with a Windows Driver. Thats the point where it gets hard for most average user. I tried to convert my parents to Linux a few years ago. But they had 10 USB Devices and i could not find working Driver for all of them. Like the Slide scanner or the Webcam. I myself tried once to connect my Canon DSLR to a Linux System and do a tethered shooting. I needed several days to get it working (perhaps works better today). DSLRs and Cameras are not a niche Product. You often find a driver for your Device like your Printer but only the main functions are working as intended. If we talk about modern Printer with many functions you miss out on some features. Once installed a printer with scanner function. I could scan but the ADF Automatic document feeder didn't want to work.
2. You are not forced to use the Command line but if you want to get some stuff working correctly without any Problems or annoying detours and you don't have someone to configure your system for you. You will feel the need to start working with it.
3. The Package system of Linux Distributions is one of the biggest advantages in my view. Love It!! Perhaps i don't get what the complain is about.
4. Yes at the moment the Virus danger for Linux systems is low and Linux is for sure safer than Windows. But one reason for this is also the huge market share Windows has. If Linux would have the biggest market share of all Systems Viruses for Linux would apear more often. With the spread of Android perhaps starting to work on Virus detection capability and checking the code for vulnabilities would benefit the Linux World and Community keeping ahead from the bad folks.
5. Libre Office and Gimp are great if you are inside a bubble. I hate it but all big companies use Microsoft Office. If you have to work together with People using MS you will find difficulties. Some fonts can make trouble. You just can not be sure that the document looks the same on both Systems. In between Excel and Calc i found some differences in Formulars used in the documents. Meaning a working spreadsheet for you doesn't work in MS Office because it wants a different letter/sign or a function has a different name.
Last i have to say there is a reason for Adobe to be the dominating Competitor on the Graphic Market. The Products are just smooth as hell, work together pretty good and have a plenty of functions. Gimp is great in his main focus as graphic editor and should be by far enough for the normal user but i can understand everyone who needs or wants the more in comfort and functionality. As an Example two years ago i tried stitching a Picture in Gimp and Adobe Photoshop. I could not reach the same quality result with Gimp and Hugin after several tries.
Just my thoughts would love to be wrong. If you find a misspelling keep it :-)
I don't know about "cartoonish." The harder part is that porting and sharing back and forth between proprietary formats and some open formats, or even Word .doc, for example, back and forth, do not always work properly for more complicated items. E.g., try as I might, I could not get a pie chart and some graphs to port properly. Excel also has a richer ecosystem for macros, it seems, but for most uses, especially individual use, it's perfectly fine.
Thanks for the Video. Linux gets better every day. I cannot say the same about Windows.
Beautifully said and done! Thank you for another great video! Each time, it helps me to better understand the Linux OS. I'm fairly new to Linux and slowly learning how to use it effectively. It's pretty fast and stable. I like it, and I'm a Microsoft Computer & Network IT with an Associates Degree. I will continue to learn from your videos. Thanks again for all the time and videos that you put out for people like me. Have a great one and God continue to bless you!
I have a story related to your point one about drivers.
This was almost 20 years ago. I had a computer set up with dual boot Windows 98 and Linux (either Debian or SuSE, don't remember). I wanted to upgrade my computer and had acquired a new (second-hand) cabinet that came with motherboard, cpu and graphics card, but no drives. The old one was an Intel-something cpu, and the new one was AMD, and the graphics card was different too.
So I pull out the drive and install it in its new home. When I turned it on and booted Windows 98, it had to do a lot of work to get itself settled in before it was comfortable in the new surroundings - this included some driver hunting on my part, and it took a couple of hours before it was really working again.
At the time I was relatively new to using Linux, and those myths about driver issues were also around then, so I was a bit concerned about what I would experience when I booted the Linux partition. As it turned out, there was no need for concern. It booted up and was fully functional without a hitch on the first try.
Except for sound - that didn't work in either OS. I had forgotten to move the sound card from the old box.
I had the same experience ... started on windows at 9 am .
.. got it working at 11:55 ... (caldera) linux was up and running before 12:00.
"those myths about driver issues were also around then" They weren't myths they were common issues. Acknowledged were common to this day. It has improved a lot over the last few years but let's not ignore the fact drivers were a major issue in the past. For every OS. Especially drivers with Linux. Which were factually pretty abysmal in the distant past.
I can't even remember the last time I had a driver issue with Windows. And I used it for about 20 years.
Trying to get my printers to work on Linux however has been a nightmare to the degree that I have pretty much given up even trying
@Tom Marrero-Ortiz I was using turboprint (which I wasted money on)
@Tom Marrero-Ortiz I already had the printers when I switched to Linux.
And one of them was about $500 (13x9 printer) so i'm a bit reluctant to just toss it in the trash
"Command line" in Linux ... aw shaime. And I never needed to use Power Shell in Windows, never needed to format a larger than 32GB drive as FAT32, never needed to fix a boot loader which one of windows' updates screwed up, never had to figure out why Disk Management refuses to repartition some disk, never needed to set permissions so some programs actually run, etc. Those are alo much better to do through a Windows Command line, just like some tasks a much simpler in Linux on a command-line than trying to search through a bunch of confusing settings dialogs and hopefully finding the one you're after. Ever tried figuring out which registry setting, what group policy and which service you have to adjust in Windows to make something "work"?
While helping my sister set up Linux (Xubuntu) on her computer, I needed to double-check whether it was installed as 32 bit or 64 bit:
Me: [Tries to search around the application finder, in settings, can't find it.]
Me: "You don't have to use this; it's just easier for me."
Me: [Opens "Terminal Emulator"]
Me: `uname -a`
Computer: `...x86_64...`
Me: "Ok, cool."
My little test for linux distros is that ready4prime-time includes:
Can easily install and run current native linux versions of a small set of proprietary sw items, Chrome, Google Earth, Skype...
No known fviruses
Can easily set up and use Russian language keyboard settings and switch between languages easily.
The one distro I've seen that passes all of that most easily is Ubuntu-Mate.
Another point to the command line argument: If you want to change certain aspects of your windows 10 install, such as turn off Microsoft's built in spyware (they call it telemetry, lol) guess what you need to do? Yup, you need to use the command line interpreter Powershell. Ubuntu has telemetry too, but it asks you at install time if you want it. A single click and there you go, no telemetry.
The command line conundrum is that you have a virtually 1:1 ratio of ways to do things via GUI and ways by command line, and expressing tutorials via command line is easier and less error prone.
The biggest headaches I've had with Linux were with incompatible hardware. The Broadcom kerfuffle and a Brother firmware update.
Except Windows isn't the only one that does this. I cannot use my Coolermaster Sirus headphones on a fully patched Windows 10. They used to work. Then I updated, and now the microphone doesn't work. The latest drivers were Win 8. Boot back to Linux, they work fine. Feh.
windows updates gave me all the drivers i needed when i downloaded them for my devices , but if it hadnt i would have just used the included cd with each device that has drivers for it or go to the device website and download from them , its no trouble at all
And then...Windows update kills your wifi , or deletes all your business files, or kills your printer the night before a major project report is due. I see it every day. Everything works. Until it doesn't.
@@mintyfresh3152 strange i havent had any problems with it , maybe its a select handful of ppl?
@@valeera5415 It's inevitable that major updates will have unintended consequences on specific groups of hardware configurations when you consider the myriad possibilities. Each issue may only impact a small percentage of configurations but with over 400 million estimated Windows 10 users, even at 1% you're talking 4 million systems. Microsoft support gives generic fixes that seldom apply to the specific instance until weeks later. Every update brings a rush of panicking customers to my day gig at a big box retailer tech bench. 1803 and 1809 feature updates added little meaningful improvement unless you like being nagged to install MS Office on your phone or really missed Candy Crush after you eradicated it from your system. I'm glad you've been spared and hope you will continue to be unaffected by update induced disaster but I'd certainly consider the possibility and make contingency plans if your productivity and livelihood are dependent on Windows.
When I upgraded my parents PC to from windows 7 to 10 I had to install a PCIE network card for them because I couldn't find a driver for the on board network😖
FWIW: Windows 10 is going to be driving force for Windows users to switch over. Even Microsoft Bob is better than Windows 10. The Metro interfaces is simular to the old Windows 3.1 interface where you select the app you want to use from the desktop.
For me, Windows 10 is basically a command line OS, since I now just go to the search function and type in the application name I want to use. Most of the people that have Windows 10 also do the same. I use PowerShell or Command Prompt for many tasks like mapping drives, searching for files (Window OS Search absolutely sucks and use findstr instead) . The Metro interface is just horrible. MS also blocks using Windows 7 on newer machine (although you can apply a patch\hack to get it work on newer machines. However manufacturers have stopped making Windows 7 Drivers for there new machine models). That said its possible to run windows 7 or 10 as a VM in windows using virtualbox, which now supports accelerated graphics for Virtual Windows Machines. FWIW: I also have a windows XP vm, since I have some old applications that don't work on Windows 7.
Windows 10 home users also get constant annoying ads, almost as bad as Internet explorer back in the late 1990s with the popup ads.
Macs are also becoming increasing terrible, Bad hardware, everything is super expensive, and Apple drops updates for older machines after about 3 to 5 years, basically forcing you to replace the machine.
Linux is the only OS that doesn't try to nickel & dime you, and does not lock you into Apple's or MS's business objectives. Why anyone wants to be enslaved by MS or Apple is beyond me!
Regarding drivers: About a year ago now (early 2020), I bought a new (Windows) laptop for my son and a new-ish Brother laser printer for the house. We have Windows, Mac, and Linux machines. The printer installed without need for additional drivers on the 2011 Mac (although it had to be directly connected via USB, which was fine as that is the main computer and the printer is on the same desk.) The Linux machines saw the printer over the network and set themselves up with a few simple mouseclicks. Then there was the laptop. It couldn't be simple. I had to install the Brother drivers since Windows (despite being about six months newer than the printer) couldn't find the printer. In addition to the drivers, Brother wants to install tons of other bloat to check ink levels, paper status, order supplies, generally nag you about Brother chaff they're pushing, etc. So I'm able to get a test page printed and it kinda works. Every computer can send a job and it prints in seconds. Not the laptop. It took minutes, sometimes hours!!! And then the computer started randomly crashing, freezing, shutting itself down without warning. I managed to get into the logs and found that the Brother driver was causing all kinds of errors and timeouts. Had to uninstall and find an alternate solution for now. At least it works in Linux.
For #2 you failed to mention that Microsoft is more and more forcing people to use PowerShell. This is especially true for modern servers and the more complex administrative tasks. Microsoft has removed a LOT of GUIs and/or functions within the GUIs that used to make certain tasks easy (one quick example, try to get a list of mailbox sizes in Exchange on an '08 or later MS server without using PowerShell). To complicate matters, PowerShell commands vary significantly between versions and what APIs (Exchange, Active Directory, etc...) you have loaded so you have to manage all of that before you can even start issuing a command (Exchange servers have a special Exchange PowerShell shortcut that loads all of the necessary APIs - if you launch the normal PowerShell and try to issue an Exchange command, it will fill your screen with red error messages.) - I am picking on Exchange here but it's just one example and is not isolated.
Ubuntu/Debian distros can also make use of rpm files if a deb version isn't available, by converting them with alien. It was a long time ago, but I have on a couple of occasions done this and whatever it was I was installing at the time, installed faultlessly and worked with no issues. I never seem to hear anyone discussing and pointing out that option in Linux. I don't know if it works faultlessly in every instance, but it did work in my case.
The elitism with some Linux communities is in fact rather bad. Not all but some communities contain super toxic individuals that are super knowledgeable in Linux but are quick to point out your flaws and not in a constructive way. On the flip side, I have been part of some communities where 90% of the community is super helpful and even in most cases is willing and often times go out of their way to make new users feel welcome and solve their issues. That 10% however of users that tend to be toxic are often times louder than the other 90% in some communities.
This is going to be a very long comment...
> Drivers
Every single time I tried to help someone to switch to long, this was the final thing that ended up being a major issue.
Guess what GPU more than half of the people who have dedicated GPU use (it's not AMD).
As for "windows supports less hardware". Yes, out of the box it does. But it's also way easier to find and install drivers from manufacturer website, and those drivers from manufacturer's website *won't break after a system update*. And even if linux supports more hardware overall, *it's useless if it's not the hardware users care about*.
Laptops (especially with switchable GPUs) are especially a big pain to set up. Issues with suspend aren't very uncommon. Up until some very recent (4.16-1.18) kernel, my GPU would not re-enable itself after suspend due to some issues in linux's implementation of ACPI. My friend tried to install linux, with an Nvidia GPU. Even with proprietary drivers - there would be some weird freezes and screen tearing issues that nothing would seem to fix. Even old hardware can have issues now. For example I had (no longer have) a computer with old core 2 series CPU and ATI radeon HD5670 GPU. For a long time it worked great with proprietary drivers (after spending days trying to figure out how to make it work in the first place). Games worked fine, it was relatively fast for what it was etc. And then the proprietary drivers stopped being supported. The open source drivers, as far as I know, to this day have major issues with some glsl shaders.
Kernel 4.20 introduced an issue in realtek drivers, where on some network cards, after replugging the ethernet cable a few times, it would stop detecting it. I knew enough to know to blame the kernel drivers on it, bisect it and report it. And eventually got it fixed. But a normal user would have no chance. The maintainer of this driver couldn't reproduce the issue on a different network card. It's very likely it would not get fixed for years.
Printers: unless you are lucky enough to have one that is well supported by linux, you are going to have hard time with it. For example my old HP printer technically works on linux. But when on linux, it's printing so slow, it's usually faster to reboot to windows when printing more than 1 page.
For a long time, my laptop had issues with sound. Noting major, but an annoyance: random crackling sound sound coming from the builtin speakers that didn't happen on windows.
Another old laptop - most distributions would just black screen on it for no apparent reason, or if they worked - showed weird errors after boot that noone else had. In the end, elementaryos worked. But most common distributions didn't.
A VM - I have no idea how people end up with any VM working fast. I tried. On a few different computers. It booted and then was unusably slow.
Yes, most of these issues are because manufacturers don't support linux and don't even release any specifications/datasheets. But for people to switch from windows to linux on their existing hardware, this has to be solved.
> Command line
The moment something doesn''t work as expected, you are expected to use command line. Even if because most of the people who will be trying to help you can't be bothered to figure out how to do it with GUI. And if you do find information on how to do it through GUI, it's going to be from 1 year ago, where the GUI was completely differently organized (and while such changes do happen on windows, it's not very common). So while a lot of things are possible in GUI, there isn't a whole lot of information on how to fix specific issues or change some options through GUI. That was my experience when I used kubuntu, later xubuntu and debian. The moment some "obvious" option doesn't exist in GUI, you are going to be using command line.
> Packages
Yes, in general many deb packages will work fine across ubuntu, debian and all debian-based systems. Very frequently it's until it comes time to update and discover something doesn't work. Or if you are to install an ubuntu .deb package on debian... and some of the depenencies aren't there. Yes, technically the same packaging system. But the repositories are different and shouldn't be mixed.
Especially a big issue if you try to use ubuntu repositories on debian. It will only work until the next update. While they technically use the same packaging system, you really shouldn't mix them together.
> Viruses.
Here I mostly agree.
Also every since windows cista, windows also has the same kind of user separation. Ever heard of UAC?
The same annoying UAC that people considered completely ridiculous when vista came out? That's basically a GUI version of "sudo privileges" on windows. Unfortunately, most users will blindly click "yes" on those. And UAC is there *even if you are the administrator*. Being administrator on windows is closer to "have sudo" on linux.
And it also brings my huge criticism of WINE that wine developers really don't want to fix. That it's nearly impossible to have it actually isolated from your desktop. It will try to have itself run exe files by default (even mono executables!). It will add file type associations for windows programs (how many times I ended up with notepad.exe opening text files, internet explorer opening html and pdf files etc...). It will add desktop shortcuts on your actual linux desktop. Great if you want those programs to feel like linux native programs. But them being installed in a wineprefiix in the user drirectory and a wineprefix, and together with "these instructions to get this working don't work on my wineprefix" where you end up starting with fresh one brings a lot of possibilities of file type associations and desktop shortcuts being broken. And in my experience, very often windows uninstallers just don't run correctly on wine!
And while you CAN set up environment variables that configure wine to not do this stuff, ensuring that this environment variable is always set permanently isn't as easy as it looks.
@Master Drakthorian Maybe it was just my horrible experiences with drivers. And no, the realtek issue I'm talking about isn't fixed yet (because I only reported it a week ago, and the patch isn't yet merged). Yes it got a bit better over the last few years. But I still didn't experience a "it just works" scenario myself after 9 years of using linux.
As for "researching about hardware" - do you really expect people who only every used windows before to go back in time and choose different hardware in case they want linux in the future? Sure, when getting a new computer - it's a good idea to verify that it will work well with linux. But in 99% of the cases I've seen, people want to use their existing hardware on linux. Their existing printer. Their current laptop. Whatever GPU they have now. If it doesn't work, most people aren't going to go buy new hardware. They are going to keep using windows. Myself, I just accepted the issues there are and keep using linux anyway (with dual-boot windows just in case I ever need it)
And once again we may have to disagree on commandline. I'm not saying that the options aren't there. But with how frequently everything changes, it can be very difficult to find up to date information about how to do something with GUI. And it doesn't apply to just one desktop environment. Over the years I used (for a very short while KDE3), KDE4, KDE5, gnome (the new one), cinnamon and xfce. On every single one of them, I kept running into explanations of how to do some things in GUI where those options have been moved to completely different place or even removed. Or "you need commandline for that".
Just examples of what I hope to be disproved about that need command line:
- In many cases, multiple monitors can't be set up the way you want from GUI. On some systems it works fine. But more often than not, I had to mess with xrandr to get 2 monistors working correctly and no amount of searching around in GUIs helped.
- Wine. While wine can theoretically be used with just GUI, you are limited to one wineprefix and it's atrocious insistance on integrating itself with desktop. Fortunately with steam and playonlinux I may never need to interact directly with wine ever again
- installing drivers when X won't start anymore after installing GPU drivers through GUI
- Fixing things when X doesn't start after updating your system (compared to windows where at worst you get no GPU acceleration, or at least can start GUI in safe mode)
- Fixing basically any issue that involves services (and don't claim such issues don't happen. They do. Maybe just not to you)
- Troubleshooting "internet doesn't work" issues (I myself had issues with wifi that could only be solved with commandline, involving rfkill)
- Dualboot: Fixing bootloader after windows update decides to break grub
For package management - you are partially right here. But at least on windows, after you update from XP to 10, GUI still starts when your XP drivers inevitably won't be compatible with 10. This is not a given on linux. And on windows, an old outdated program designed for windows 98 will basically never prevent a system update. On linux, an old deb package installed from outside of the repositories may very well prevent updates. And you won't be able to use it later (unless you find it packaged as snaps/similar)
As for snaps/flatpacks - I can't say much about it as I haven't tried it yet. I expect memory and disk space usage to be higher with those (which is not something I want). But it may be an alternative to try (that is if the software I want is available as such packages). But it may very well be the best thing I've ever seen.
And yes, using linux is easy if all you do is use the web browser. I successfully installed elementaryos on my dad's laptop (the one that other distributions didn't work on). But he has no idea how to update it, or even what updating the system is.
Regarding the drivers issue... yes, it's great that modern versions of Linux will support a lot of devices "out of the box."
But what about when a device doesn't work?
Well, with Windows you can most likely go to the manufacturer's website and download the drivers and install them with ease.
How easy is it to install a linux driver from the web? I'm guessing pretty hard for a non-linux enthusiast.
To me the main advantage of Windows over Linux is that it's easy for users to go get what they want from the web and easily install it on their Windows PC.
On Linux, if it's not in the software manager list, well... I hope you know what you are doing to get it installed and working.
Linux is good for the two extremes of users:
A. The enthusiast who can navigate those more difficult moments in Linux
B. The "basic" user who just wants to check email, browse the web, and maybe do some document editing. Basically, anyone who's needs can be met by the package/software manager.
You should show people how to import Microsoft office fonts into Linux, so that there is a greater compatibility. Not the command line version, but going to Windows, and copying the TTF to a flash drive, then installing that font in Linux (such as Magneto font which doesn't come in the command console install set).
The “poopie” comment won you a sub. Microsoft Windows does however prompt to run an executable as administrator now though. But yes, there are a lot more viruses that run on Windows.
Thankyou for debunking the myths as many of us suffering from 1 or many thoughts like you described. I recently switched to Ubuntu, it will definitely take time but it also showing there are other platform and tools other than windows.
I run vanilla Arch as my main distro with Ubuntu 18.04 on a USB key as a backup system, just in case it ever breaks when I need to get work done and won’t be a quick fix (hasn’t happened yet). From the context of the average computer user you mentioned who buys their computer at a big box store driver issues can be a big wall - I know it was for me years ago when I was just testing the waters. While you’re right about more hardware compatibility, most new users are downloading a distro to test on their big box computer so they aren’t used to having to worry about drivers. Even those that are comfortable with it are just used to going to the manufacturers’ websites for the driver which, in many cases, isn’t available that way. Sure, with Arch I can just run a sudo pacman -S broadcom-wl on my MacBook Pro but figuring out that it’s that easy, or what work is required when it isn’t, is the hurdle. Your final point - the learning curve - is what it’s all about and what scares people away.
Regarding cartoony, most Linux apps are uglier than their Windows or macOS equivalents without customization. I agree lol. That also is a minus on many people’s parts, but because people expect nice looking software when they’ve paid for it. I’m fine with a little janky looking but absolutely proficient software.
For an added point of reference, I’m a little bit of a photographer (@michaelgomezphotos on Instagram) and by no means need Adobe.
I think the driver thing has more to do with the fact that almost everything is going to have compatible windows drivers available, while on linux you might get stuck with shitty generic drivers or not be able to find drivers at all, not to mention they typically don't get updated as much from the manufacturers.
I have been WCAS (Windows Clean and Sober) for almost 10 years now, currently dual-booting Mint 18/64 and AVLinux. From Win 3.1 through XP, I HAD to know quite a bit about solving problems or finding solutions online because there were SO MANY problems. I loved XP, and used it way beyond its useful life. Starting with Ubuntu 8.04 and moving through several distros till now, I admit I'm not a very good Linux troubleshooter. Why? Because I've had so few problems! I don't get any practice fixing things. While my father and siblings carry on correspondence constantly, trying to solve every manner of software and hardware problems with Win, I quietly go about my work. A couple of them have noticed just lately that I rarely express any kind of frustration with my computer system. I agree that there are sectors of the Linux community which are quite snooty, but, by far, the rest are very helpful.
I'm a very average Linux user since 5 years and started using internet in 2009 (with Windows XP)... The last computer course i've had dated from 1991 on a Commodore 64 and i screwd up my grades, loll.
In five years of Linux use i've never had problems with drivers, especially that most distros i've used have a driver installer and gave me the recommanded driver to install, i just had to click one button...
Within a week of my first Ubuntu i learned how to copy/paste a command line in the terminal in order to install an application, learned to copy/paste a command line, loll!
In the end, Linux is about learning and be our own master of our machine, it's about freedom and that is what i love most about it.
I’m on the Linux side of the argument but here are a couple of notes: the driver argument is about peripherals not systems. Game controllers & video cards & music gear Oh My. The answer is Pop_OS NVidia release. :) Cartoon apps are a side effect of the annual icon-switching and UI polish from the big vendors. I blame the “flat” trend. Keeping up with the Jones’ Paint Job matters to people with superficial understanding. Virus scans are for when you share stuff with Windows users. If they infect each other *through* you - then you get blamed. :)
ive used linux for a decade plus and its def gotten better. my main criticism for all linux distros is screen tearing. no matter if its intel, amd or nvidia. you install any distro on any hardware and after that first boot pull up a video file on whatever the default player is and watch it. chances are high that theres gonna be screen tearing. ive had it happen on at least a dozen systems. usually its fixable. and it has gotten easier to fix over the years but its always bothered me that that i experience this on every desktop ive put linux on and all my laptops that have grafix cards. the only time its never happened is on laptops that only have intel hardware and use intel graphics . but even then theres a good chance it will happen if you hook that laptop up to a tv and try and watch a movie. but bottom line is if you use a desktop or laptop that has a graphics card chances are pretty high your gonna encounter some screen tearing issues during video playback after that first boot.
With the newer Kernels most AMD cards shouldn't have that problem anymore. Mainly because with the newer kernels AMD drivers are included with them now.
Using the command line is what I find most fun about Linux :)
Re point 3: deb packages are the same, correct, but the one that is built for Debian specifically is not guaranteed to work on other distributions. It's even less clear whether, for example, Mint built deb package will work on Debian. This is because of dependencies, other packages (and their respective versions) that are required to run a specific package. This is also true for Fedora and CentOS/RHEL for example. Fedora uses newer package versions, backporting Fedora 29 RPMs to Centos is not easy. And especially using Fedora RPMs on openSUSE which uses the same package manager, but everything else is different. Drivers are a particular case, because they are typically compiled with a sufficiently low level of tools and requirements that are more-less covered with all available distributions.
Hi! I've installed Linux Mint 19.1 Cinnamon on my laptop (dell inspiron n7110) week ago and it is not as good as it is in number of similar videos.
1 About drivers. Yes, it works out of the box and it was pretty easy to install proprietary driver for my video card. But I have to switch between NVIDIA and Intel graphics manually. And to apply changes i have to reboot the computer.
2 About terminal. I can only do the basic things with graphic interface like install browser or etc. Besides, it stills raw and lags. In case of only a little more complicated functions, like to check a list of installed programs - welcome to the terminal.
3 And the main - overheating and performance. Comparing to Windows 7 temperature of cores increased up to 20 degrees (Celsius). There was preinstalled "thermald" in linux mint, and I've also tried TLP. But it didn't help. The only thing TLP had done - it killed sound in entire system. So I had to restore system with Timeshift.
I like the idea of Linux and I'll keep it to explore. But in my case there are no reasons to switch to Linux.
Have you checked out "dri_prime=1" for graphics? I just found it a minute ago since I watched a video the other day that talked about switching between integrated/dedicated graphics. I'm not sure if it works on non-Arch-based distro's or not. Maybe consider trying the xfce version of mint since it is less resource intensive. That may help your lags and temperature problems. If anything, temperatures should be lower on Linux unless something is wrong. I've only run Linux on a couple different laptops, so I can't speak from much experience in that regard.
Sudo is not even an instant possibility with every distros. With debian, you set up a root account and your regular account has to use su and enter it's password to do root stuff. Setting up sudo is extra work (at least adding your user to the sudo group and possibly changing the sudeors file). Ubuntu and Mint, on the other hand, will make you a sudoer from the very beginning, but you still have to enter a password to do root stuff.
You might say: _Well what's the difference? As a user, you still have a very easy way do act as an administrator, have you not?_
But Linux does not go out of it's way to make you want to disable security features by popping a UAC confirmation window every few minutes. With Linux, common user activity does not require admin privileges. And Linux also does not give you access to the whole file system except for a few system folders. With Linux, it's the other way around: you have write access to nothing _but_ you home directory.
Ive just started using Linux Mint 19.3 Cinnamon. Im sooo impressed! Easy to install and working straight away with no issues..I mean NO issues! I now have a dual boot system between win10 and Mint on all of my computers. The GUI is excellent and very intuitive. Command line is a learning experience but that is half the fun! Mint Xfce is a small resource lite system that I can use on my old Samsung n-145p which was soo slow with Win7. Im a convert!
Guys i have a problem. On my desktop pc i can't boot into any of these distros without using "amdgpu.dc=0" option which, i guess, disables gpu acceleration yes? Lately i learned that "amdgpu" thing is integrated into the kernel (begining with kernel 4.17) and a lot of radeon users suffer from the same issue as i am. My question is, when is this going to be fixed? Or is there a way for me to enable "amdgpu" without crashing my PC?
Hardcore windows/adobe fan here, recent MX 19 convert, partially due to your vids! My only issue so far is how [insert megacorp here] has refused to work with linux. Attempting to slowly wrap my head around how it works on Android and yet not in linux, to try and make a program for a workaround. The free and opensource aspect has increased my awareness and made me a better computer user on windows pcs as well. Thanks!
As for packages, if needed, you can just manually extract the files out of the package and copy them to the correct locations. This is also useful for installing packages without having root access.
If you don't have root packages and you would normally need it to install that package, it probably means that either you won't be able to install manually either (lacking write permissions) or the package itself had an issue (requesting root when it wasn't needed).
@@traveller23e I'm pretty sure package managers such as `apt` always require root access, because they install packages in locations that are shared by all users. However, some packages are location-independent and function without any problems if installed with the same directory structure, but in a location other than the root of the filesystem.
I've been into computers since the mid 90s and have been a Windows user all these years. If anyone would be a Windows fanboy it would be me.
I have started loading various Linux distros in VirtualBox and I have to say they are all very good. It all boils down to personal preference.
I have zero beefs with Linux. I still use Windows because that is what I know but I will learn Linux. Right now I am really liking MX Linux, Manjaro
XFCE and ArcoLinux XFCE. Love channels like yours that provide such excellent info and help guys like me. Keep up the great work.
Windows users, open your minds! :-)
I choose Linux because it's FREE. MS products are expensive and restrict the home user due to the annual fees and the operating system does not belong to the user. I have enjoyed learning the basics of Linux . I am very comfortable with using the command line and have learned more by using it.
I as an computer science student use linuxfor everything and I think working on Windows is actually harder since there is no package manager where you can do "sudo apt install opencv.-dev" and can use opencv in your code....
It seems to me even if you run wine there is no practical virus exposure. Viruses often have to make system changes to work. In Linux the system (kernel) can’t be changed. In Linux a virus would actually have to download as a type of snap or flatpak to interact with the kernel properly. Maybe I’m wrong but that is the way I view it. Great vid. .
Any basic user who is only using social media/internet/email apps will never need the command line in most distros, what is this fools problem? Thanks for putting this out brother.
With that said, I love the Linux command line interface, never found anything as handy in windoze when I was still a shameful user.
Windoze users: Please stop funding bill and melinda with their ties to vaccines and monsanto!
I have probably 'told' it before here, my computer has an ethernetcard which doesn't work without a driver, I can't use the internet when I just installed Windows unless I download the driver somewhere. Of course I have a backup of it and I can download it with Linux but indeed, Linux does work with that ethernetcard out of the box, Windows does not. I can record music with my electric piano without installing a driver (Linux also does not use a driver for it as far as I know) but on Linux I have to install a driver. Having said that, for printers, cameras and some 'gaming' gear it can be problematic. But nothing which you can't solve with some researc. For example, my Corsair Strafe Red (mechanical keyboard with Cherry Red switches) has full LInux support and my Steelseries mouse also works fine (not that I recommend Steelseries but that is another topic).
CLI
Windows has one too, command prompt and Power Shell. Less good, less complete but sometimes you need it in Windows.
Indeed, in Linux you barely need the CLI but some things are easier with the CLI so people end up using it. With regard to Arch, it is not difficult to copy-paste some commands into the CLI and it is easy to figure out what these commands too. Installing Arch also is quite easy for people who have got a bit of experience with Linux.
On the topic of Windows-only software. People who use Adobe Premiere really should look at Davinci Resolve: faster, fully featured and a lot less expensive. Outside that and gaming and in extreme cases MS Office, indeed, look at what you want to accomplish.
on the topic of keyboards and mice, I have run into MicroSoft branded sets of mice and keyboards that wouldn't work without installing the drivers for Windows, and LogiTech mice that wouldn't work fully without Windows drivers. Yet those same devices just worked in Linux. No "Wait, we are searching for drivers..." it just worked within a couple seconds of plugging them in for the very first time.
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Your Linux distro contains all known drivers of common hardware. Eventually they might remove drivers for old hardware which is not used any more (in which case you should be able to solve it yourself) but for common hardware it just is built in the distro. Hence the user not even noticing the drivers as long as everything goes ok.
For Windows you have to downloade the drivers from the manufacturers website.
The problem for Linux is that some hardware-manufacturers (mostly printers and cameras) and software-developers (like Adobe which doesn't give ANY LInux support) still don't support Linux. This has improved a lot. For motherboards, CPU's and graphics cards it is not even a question any more, most keyboards and mice also work fine. My keyboard originally didn't get any love from the company for Linux but when a Reddit-user complained about it in a thread which a Corsair employee visits he fixed it within a few days. As far as I understand it was dumb luck, this Corsair employee visited the Reddit thread in his spare time and just helped his fellow Redditer out. As long as a piece of hardware is used a lot this kind the chance of this kind of coincidence happening is a lot larger and it is less of a coincidence than it seems. :)
But we still need to do research. I would like my next keyboard to have optical switches but if it is not supported on Linux...
💯% agreed. Especially with regard to Gimp & Libre. Word is so non intuitive these days. They fucked up the interface on Word so bad, that i only use libre for daily stuff. And why the f* would anyone PAY for adobe or word when the alternatives are so much better...and FREE?!
love this channel ❤️♥️❤️
Good stuff. Do you have or plan to produce a video on security in wine?
I have just a couple of electronics and audio engineering programs that require wine but I don't use them every day. My questions would have to do with having wine active and available only when needed and otherwise protecting against its ability to run windows viruses. Perhaps allowing wine to only have access to certain resources or storage devices.
I seem to recall that even back in the day, Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Linux had better driver support for some PCI and PCI-E sound cards for pro audio than Windows did, to point where the audio that was recorded was more pristine sounding to untrained ears, let alone professionals, even if there was no software to run it on due to Ardour being a steaming heap back in those days. Ardour is awesome, now, and the mixed license, paid software Harrison MixBus that uses some of it's code is even better, and both run on Windows, Linux, and OS X, so that whole bit is now outdated and invalid. Reaper now has a native Linux version, as does Tracktion, and the relative newcomer to the DAW world, BitWig Studio, and the Windows versions of all 3 of those run really well (along with most of your VST2 and VST3 plugins) in Wine. If anyone wanna debate me on this subsection of the topic, I'd be glad to rub their faces in how wrong they are. Or, you can save yourself the humiliation and just look at the host of techtubers who produce commercial music entirely on Linux. Unlike most other professional industries, pro audio is a lot easier to switch from one piece of software to the next, and most of the issue is personal preference.
I do get the cartoon-is, but that doesn't change the operation and is the look of older distributions more than today. Fonts are a gripe with me. You open Ms Word and you have to hunt for the font you want, because it always loads the default font. Libre Office does the same thing, BUT the last font you used is right under it, which means I don't have to hunt through the list for it. This might seem small, but Libre Office is like that with other things as well.
Item 1 My HP printer did work without updating anything. This was true with the AMD video card I had, ancient card to be fair. I put in a GTX 1050, and had to use the command line to get it setup, but that wasn't hard to do, since the instructions can be found online.
Item 2 I started with DOS and then Windows 3.1, so the command line is not that scary, but I haven't used it to load applications or games other than the video drivers, so YES you don't have to use it in today's Linux.
Item 3 I agree, and also you don't use the command line. You can, but you don't for most downloads.
Item 4 Linux doesn't allow the access to it's system by anything without SU access, but Windows does. I am not talking about the Windows account section, but the actual Windows itself. A good example is to the system directories and the registry. With Linux you don't have that kind of access without a password prompt or asking for it, and then having to provide a password.
Also the Windows command line can be run under Wine in Linux, but it doesn't have SU access, or any editing access to the Linux operating system or other users on the Linux computer. In Windows this is just not true.
Item 5 I there are some out there, but who wants to pay such a high price for Photo Shop? I run Photo Impact for Windows on Linux Mint by use of Play on Linux. It runs just like it did on Windows, which is the case with most everything else I run that is made to run on Windows. I can't get L. A. Noire to run on Linux, but I can't get it to run on Windows 7, 8 or 10 either.
Also older applications that can no longer run on Windows can be run on Linux.
Libre Office I find is easier to use. The commands are easier to get to, unlike Ms Word. I do miss the grammar correction in Word, but that is it.
As to privacy. If my Linux machine is stolen, they can't access the hard drive, even if they put it on another computer. This is just NOT TRUE with Windows. Not only can a Linux machine go anywhere on a Windows hard drive, but it can change anything there!!! In Linux you can opt to have the drive encrypted, so without the password you don't SEE anything!!!
Linux is more private and more stable than Windows, which is why I switched to Linux.
@21:24 ... and you can get MS corefonts and by downloading and executing a github script even MS clearfonts.
@22:19 BTW. I fancy the tool testdisk. It is as important as Timeshift or grsync because if you made a dumb mistake and "deleted" a file - which is basically to make Linux forget about it, you can restore it.
You can also copy the fonts manually from Windows and install them on Linux.
@@MarkHobbes Yeah, but why would I do that if I don't need a Windows installation to achieve that?Just: wget gist.github.com/Lysak/b98d72857dfe0af7154798a4f38cdf8e/raw/d80decb16adcb019a871e53a95ed190dcfb9a6c3/ttf-vista-fonts-installer.sh -q -O - | sudo bash ... and the clearfonts are your's to keep.
@@worldhello1234 Is it safe?
No. Those "devices" aren't things most users expect to need drivers for. What they want drivers for, which Linux usually lets them down on are their WebCam, their scanner, their RGB gaming mouse, their WiFi printer, their fax machine, their SD, MMC, PCMCIA or other USB memory card reader, their random make (trust / Genius or WHY) graphics tablet, their USB Video digitizer / TV card. They *expect* to have to go on a driver hunt, and they find that drivers-r.us (or whatever their favourite driver download website is) doesn't have *anything* for Linux and they say "well this blows, Linux totally sux ass!" Or they download the crappy thing those sites have which "guarantees it will detect your hardware for you, and install the appropriate driver" and they get a Windows exe which would have installed a bunch of ad/spy-ware while detecting VenIDs on the PCI and USB bus, matching them to pages on the host site and pulling down a crappy outdated driver to install on Windows OS. (commonly either ignoring the fact that you're running Windows 8, so Windows 7 signed drivers won't work without going into developer mode, or giving you the x86 driver for your x64 OS or some nonsense even then... so the device *technically* works, but only if ou futz with the system so much that everything else becomes slow and massively unstable, even if you hadn't installed a malware which downloaded some malware in the background, which is currently installing a bunch *more* malware as you read this ;) ) However, since they're trying Linux, they don't get the drivers, but they also don't get the malware... Which, of course "totally sux!"
I recently tried 3 distros just to catch up on the Linux sphere checking if there have been any significant improvements regarding the audio side of things.
I'm sad to report not much has changed. Working with audio or many other specialized tasks is still a major PITA on that platform.
If someone desires to make or produce any sort of music, please stick to Windows or Mac OS, save yourself the heartbreak & aggravation of the whole ordeal, it really isn't worth the effort. Crashes, constant crashes, endless error messages, wine not working on a consistent basis, dealing with 3 incompatible sound servers, bugs galore, instability all around; I can go on and on and on.
The main issue with Linux are regressions, lack of a unified framework, fragmentation and most importantly, inability to recover from program faults and crashes. Windows does this wonderfully. My experience with Linux is most crashes bring the whole system down due to the fact that everything is put together as a chunk with no separation of drivers or other dependencies. Matthew Moore had an excellent video about this very same thing a couple of years ago. There's a ton of misinformation about Linux being a viable replacement for other OSes. It.s "ok" for the basic stuff, not ok for anything beyond that. I dumped Mint for the specific reason of having to copy/paste commands just to upgrade the system, what other OS does it like that? Also the themes are pretty horrendous on a lot of distros, screen tearing still an issue on XFCE....really? Some of those themes and glitches are bad enough to give me a migraine sometimes.
To sum up, Windows/Apple might be evil empires but they have put out some pretty good products. Granted Windows 10 consumer editions are buggy but Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 Enterprise are fantastic. The enterprise edition that I use is free with a reinstall needed every nine months. Really couldn't ask for a better system to run.
Sorry to say, I wouldn't recommend Linux, they're much better alternatives.
What applications are you using? I produce my audiobooks completely on Linux and I do not have any of these issues. There are even full on professional audio studios for Linux, though I do not need anything that advanced.
@@SwitchedtoLinux Thanks for the reply. AV Linux--Ubuntu Studio-KX Studio. These are specialized distros advertised as multimedia/music composition/production.
A great example of power using these are: ruclips.net/channel/UCAYKj_peyESIMDp5LtHlH2A.
That guy has been doing this for around 10 years and obviously knows his craft. I'm basically starting out but have hit constant snafus with Linux.
And yes I have RTFM. Stability (or lack thereof) was a deal breaker. It might be my rig is 9 years old with standard on board specs (compaq intel i3 2 ssd drives, 16 GB ram) Apps came either built in or from various repos, mostly KX Studio involving composing, arranging and recording audio. My setup works fine in Windows.
I'm guessing one has to be more than a casual hobbyist, something akin to being an engineer in order to succeed on Linux doing this kind of endevour. And that's OK but in my experience, it not user friendly, too many issues with breakage, crashes the whole bit that interrupts workflow and a sense that the platform is behind the times when it comes to more advance usage cases. At least on the desktop side of things. These are just observations on my part and strictly IMHO. But it was an interesting experience non-the-less, It helps to have a real working knowledge of Linux beyond ordinary Windows experiences to use it for something complex like audio or video work. Much of this involves resolving errors and that requires endless research that in my experience led to a lot of dead ends with poor documentation or way outdated info.
You have a great channel, very knowledgeable about current tech, I'm sure Linux can be an alternative to many users, but as you and I know, the learning curve can be steep depending on how we use and what we expect out of Linux in general. I can testify it's definitely not Window.
The person that says that apps look cartoonish should try WPS office if they want something that cosmetically looks like Microsoft Office.
I agree with almost everything you said, however GIMP falls short on a very important issue (compared to applications like Photoshop, Affinity, Corel, Pixelmator etc). It has no support for CMYK for print production. Now, since you design your book covers for print, I would love to know what you do to get your GIMP files print-ready.
Another capability GIMP still doesn't have, is non-destructive editing.
Even using Inkscape compared to Illustrator, I run into the same issue of lack of CMYK support, no spot color support, and no global color support. Inkscape is also pretty buggy when it comes to XY coordinate registration for designers who design websites, apps, and UI for digital screens - The zero origin point is fixed at the bottom left of the screen instead of being at the top left (and/or allowing the user to define the zero origin position). Also, it has no support for symbols, which is very important in a professional design production environment so that you are not constantly re-creating your digital assets, or have to manually propagate small changes to elements in your design).
It's little things like these that are discouraging to people switching to open source apps (which happen to be the only options available on Linux).
So, while GIMP and Inkscape are good for basic usage, for serious production studios or designers, it's just not a real option unfortunately
These are all included in 2.10
Switched to Linux I'm using 2.10.10 -- don't see an option for CMYK documents, and no non-destructive editing options either (smart filter and smart object equivalents). Am I missing something?
Oh I also want to add that while GIMP and Inkscape fall short for the professional designer, Krita and Blender for digital painting and 3D modeling and animation respectively, are solid pro level open source tools, comparable to any proprietary applications in their class. And of course, as you already mentioned, Kdenlive too is super solid - rivaling Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro.
It is a big learning curve my switch from Windows to Ubuntu. And am used to the Windows functionality. But slowly learning the Linux way. Great video, thanks for the education.
you are also safer if you make sure that you only install applications from certified a repository
The problem is that when you need help, the first thing people tell you is go to the command line. We should tell them both ways and let them choose which way to go. The truth is the terminal is easier once you understand it.
Hey Computer Nerd...It's true that most people provide the help via command line. They do this because they are very knowledgeable of Linux and the command line and know it's quicker(many times easier) . Most provide the commands exactly how you need to enter them. All you have to do is copy and paste. This doesn't really require you to know how to use the command line.
@@brettcrisp9305 I agree with you. I find command line easier to use as well. However, I prefer to actually understand what I am doing unlike most people who just want things to work. I believe the users just needs to be shown both ways so that they can understand why the command line is better. As of now, they just see command line and think wow Linux is primitive but in fact it is not. Once they see the steps it takes to do it the gui verse command line, they will understand. In some cases, their is only one way to fix a problem and it usually the command line. I understand this is to be the case even in Windows.
I can't think of any application that's on Windows that doesn't have an equivalent on Linux (except games, but Steam is working on fixing that).
Text to speech... linux has it, but it's crap
@@lostinthefogofwar5774 Yeah, but so is Windows'. IMO, use Vocaloid or similar if you want computer generated speech in your application.
@@HungryGuyStories on windows I can install natural voices, I haven't found any for linux so I keep windows on my main computer. My old eyes are getting a little dim so I use text to speech a lot. I have Solus on my laptop.
Sometimes it's not because there's no equivalent on Linux, it's just that your work/boss requires you to use that specific software on Windows (or macOS) and you have no choice. The main reason I use Windows is because I play lots of PC games. I am happy to see that Steam's Linux support is improving but the thing is there are so many games that are on other launchers/systems instead of Steam. Epic Games Launcher, Battle.net, Origin, Uplay, Bathesda Launcher, etc. Windows is still the best option for those games.
Quicken - yes there are alternatives, but none of them have the features I use or the ease of use.
I like Linux, but I’ve spent a lot of time using gimp and still hate the interface for a variety of reasons. I’ve learned many different graphics programs and it’s not just learning curve.
I always like Flat themes, but with Linux, skeuomorphism is an option on Linux, and Windows chooses your theme for you! Atleast with Windows I don't have to choose...
I feel like your forgetting to sign out of your gaming account lol
Flat themes, material design themes, modern themes exist on Linux. I know some distros do not use it as default theme, but it can easily be changed.
On Linux you can change, what if you do not like the way Windows looks? You cannot change it unless you do it manually - very tiring. Or download some third-party application that do it for you, but can break the system dll's.
I'm not a fan of skeuomorphic design, but it is good to be able to choose.
middleschooler96 It’s more laziness...
I will say on Libre Calc I've had one hell of a time trying to figure out how to create tables the way that I did on MS Office. I used to go and just highlight cells and then click inset table. Libre only has an option for Pivot Tables (as far as I've seen). I honestly gave up and picked up a difference Office application. Still definitely on Linux though. I run virtualization applications that absolutely flourish on Linux compared to Windows.
I haven't used Calc for a while but I've been told that the latest build has major improvements. It might be worth a second look.
Personally I prefer LibreOffice to MS Office. When MS chose to add the "banners" instead of menus like in old versions of them, say 03' office or so, I hated it, and when I found LibreOffice I fell back into my old ways of doing things, say 97' and before
Agreed! On LibreOffice my toolbars are programmed to my needs, on MS Office I need to hunt through ribbons and popups to find what I need.
The only drivers I have ever had bother with are the dreaded nvidia drivers, but that's down to nvidia being slackers, not the Linux guys!
EDIT: Just to add, yes, Adobe is the same as nvidia as far as Linux support goes!
@cool dude
Indeed, like they have something to hide or summit!
I have a desktop which I use to install distros and whatnot, it has an nvidia card. I've never had any major issues with drivers, the latest, proprietary ones. It's pretty much a very simple process, especially in the Ubuntus, Pop OS even comes with them enabled by default.
@cool dude
I haven't seen that yet, but I will go and do a bit of research, thank you kindly.
@cool dude
Do you have any knowledge of the "machine-id" file on every Linux computer? Have a look in /etc/ for a file named "machine-id", it's one I found out about recently, it needs to go, but the likes of google chrome requires it to work, showing exactly why it cannot be trusted!
@cool dude
Thank you kind person, may the road always rise in front of you.
If you buy a computer and all the hardware works out of the box, this is because other people already worked really hard to get it all configured and working together. It doesn’t matter what the operating system is, or whether it’s from a big-box store or a small shop that does custom builds, somebody had to go through all the thought processes beforehand to match all those pieces.
"On the other hand, could I write inked letters holding a stylus that smells of newspapers if I wasn't linux friendly? Where's the academic lobby at?!" 🗨😘✒🐧📟💽🌡🏗🏚♨️🌁🗞⛟🛣
I think that this is overly dismissive of drivers- windows 10 made drivers mostly automatic. When I set up my new machine on Linux, I found that there simply isn't a comparable driver to the proprietary driver for Logitech (solaar didn't help). Logitech peripherals are pretty common, and the windows machine was far better in that regard.
I haven't had any driver issues with Logitech on wireless keyboards, mice or usb speakers. A Windows 10 update broke the driver for Logitech keyboards on some PC configurations but I've had all their stuff work out of the box for the past few years on the Linux distro's I've bounced between.
@@mintyfresh3152 what particular mice have you used? I can't configure my extra buttons or monitor battery level for my g602 or performance mx mice. They function but only as a basic mouse.
@@sirgermaine Did some research. Not being a gamer my Logitech mice are supported so I wasn't aware of the issue. A couple articles I read suggested programming is stored on the device and using Windows to program it with the Windows software in a virtual machine. I also found a project called libratbag on GitHub that looked like a possible solution. The gui frontend Piper's wiki is here - github.com/libratbag/piper/wiki/Installation and libratbag's wiki is here - github.com/libratbag/libratbag/wiki/Installation . I'd read through all the wiki pages before I started but it looks like your G602 and MX are supported but proceed at your own risk. Looks promising though. I apologize as I was apparently overly dismissive of special use hardware drivers.
In my experience i run arch on my laptop and mint on my desktop. Both have nvidia cards. No issues, and if there is any issue, its a simple google search away.
Sometimes some things are missing in windows apps, sometimes things are missing in linux apps. It's difficult to say which app is better. The main reason I use Linux because it's free and open. I can solve every problem because of this openness. The second reason is that it's stable, I don't need to reinstall my OS every year and my computer doesn't slow down.
There's one thing however which is difficult to get around: in environments where everyone uses Windows your life become more difficult when you're the only one using Linux. But that's not the mistake of Linux.
Over the years I switched more and more to native Linux apps. I have not started up windows for more than a year.
My only real gripe with Linux is lack of support of AAA titles by publishers/devs.
I dream of a Windows version that is read only and loads itself on start to ram together with all drivers, installed software every time you reboot again. So all would be portable and isolated, viruses could run but would never destroy the OS. To save time a good suspend/sleep mode could replace rebooting until problems arose.
One additional observation about drivers for Windows: over the last few years, drivers for older hardware on Windows has fallen into a fade-fast "dropped due to lack of support from manufacturer" shortening of lifecycle. I've run into quite a few older computers where basic hardware isn't supported on Windows, but is supported just fine under Linux.
If the manufacturer provided a driver and then you create an "updated" version of your OS that causes the driver to break, isn't the failure on you? "Lack of support" lmao
For games. I have ~850 games on my Steam/GOG accounts. Only 3 won't work in wine (yet) out of 650 games which don't have native version. And one have minor graphics issues (Killer Instinct 2013).
Many Linux applications are cartoonish.... or at least were cartoonish. The original Open Office had a cartoonish GUI that, if we are to be frank was far harder to read the the one that comes by default in Libre office on KDE, Elementary and Windows based systems today.
Many programs while technically as powerful as as their Mac and Windows counterparts are only as powerfull in that the end result can be the same. You can design something in Incksape, and you can design the same thing in Adobe ilustrator, it will just take a lot less time and effort to do the design work in Ilustrator. You can use Gimp and be very patient, or you can use Photoshop and be done in a fraction of the time. You can waste hours making the formatting of your word document look just right in LibreOffice or you can upload the document on M$'s free version of Word online and be done with it in a few minutes... or you know, you can use a LaTex editor and have the document fit for the presses, not just your local office printer.
Many FOSS alternatives to paid for, close source MAC and Windows programs can be used to get similar if not identical results, but that doesn't mean they are the same or even remotely similar in UI, ease of use and functionality. There's a reason why projects like the new Akira vector graphic program has some momentum - even if it's not as much as it needs - and that's because most FOSS alternatives aren't professionally looking and do in fact look cartoonish compared to their very expensive proprietary cousins.
There's a reason why so many people use WPS office despite it being Chinese and quite problematic when it comes to it's licence. IT looks professional. It might be small thing to gripe about but looks do matter, and that's only talking looks, we're not even going to discuss creature comfort features like Adobe Illustrators Shape Builder tool or the dozens of prebuild Page numbering layouts or Table formats found in M$ Word. At the end of the day, there's a reason corporations usually use proprietary software and that's not always a case of they were first like Final Draft for example. Most of that bloat proprietary software comes with has it's purpose.
EDIT: actually, one more thing, I live in europe and here we quite often get laptops and desktops that run FreeDOS or some other archaic OS that is extremely unqualified to run the hardware it's on. Things like OS's that can only run on one core installed on multicore i7 desktop CPU's and the like. I'm not sayign this a problem with Linux, but when most non Windows OS that come with most premade machines are either under powered and made for significantly older and out of date machines or are versions of ENDLESS LINUX... well, there's a reason people think what they think about non Windows OS's driver support.
There's often an element of familiarity bias here. AKA "(It's not what I'm used to ->) I work slower -> It sucks". Sit a GIMP user in front of Photoshop and see how he/she does...
However, it's curious how most OSS solutions don't include templates. I mean, stuff based on templates often look ridiculously cheesy (and that might be a disincentive to making them), but it's often heralded as an important feature...
@@parnikkapore I'm going to have to call BS on that argument. Foss software is notorious for having bad UX design and quite often even bad icon sets.
People kept using your excuse back in the days of Oppen Office, a decade ago. Thing is, the original Icon themes of OO, as well as some of the ones that are still kept in LO are mad design wise. Take for example the Tango theme with it's usage of a lower case 'a' for all normal text formatting option. And the theme has only gotten better over time. The original OO theme made it very hard to see the difference between bold and italic, with italic sometimes being so large it looked bolder them most bold text on the page.
Take for example the aforementioned Inkscape - even the developers admit their UX sucks. They are developers not designers and admit that they have always been more concerned implementing the features people asked for then making sure the program had a unified design and the ease of use of some of those implemented features. Adobe probably spends millions making sure their UX is coherent and easy to use. Most FOSS alternatives are made by separate teams, usually made of programmers with little to no actual design experience.
And then, we come to your GIMP example, GIMP is competent, but again, feature wise it can't really be compared to Photoshop. Just comparing the features that GIMP and Photoshop share, features like for example the brushes... are you really going to tell me GIMP 's default brushes are equal to those found in Photoshop? No, no you're not. And let's face it, most people will install quire a few more brushes in both GIMP and Photophop. But... not only are the default brushes in Photshop better but there are also more alternatives that the user can DL, some even cost money, some quite the large sum - and people pay for them, gladly.
There is no image you can create in Photoshop that you can't create in GIMP. No vector art you can Create in Adobe Illustrator that you can't create in Inkscape. But the amount of time someone intimately familiar with any one of those programs will take to make that image or that vector art will differ widely based on the tools the program or the community provides. Adobe not only provide more tools out of the box, but the community supplies more tools too.
Adobe doesn't have a virtual monopoly over the creative industry because it's expensive or because it's the de facto standard. It has a virtual monopoly because the alternatives that exists are gimped versions of what they offer. (no pun intended)
Both a Tesla model 3 and a Ford model T are cars. They will both get you from point A to point B. But to claim that a 2019 Tesla Model 3 is the equivalent of a 1919 Ford Model T would be disingenuous.
Now, in regards to templates... I dunno about you, but most offices I've passed through have had their fair share of custom templates. As for prebuild ones, while I never much used prebuild templates in MS Office when I was still using that I have to say that the large volume of default templated offered by office for general formating (title/header1/header2 and the like) as well as the default table templates as well as the page number templates are things that I always found myself using.
Wile LibreOffice will leave by default a blue/gray square around your page number M$ Office actually shows the how the page number will look when printed. While you have to manually introduce the number in the footer in LO, you have to look for a separate option to ad the page number anywhere else but the head or footer in M$. While you have to select your own color pallet to modify a table in LO and make it look acceptable, you can just select for any one of the many, many default table options in M$ and be satisfied with a more then professionally looking table. Wile M$ has invested millions into professionally designed fonts that look great both on the screen and in print, LO comes with a bunch of second rate fonts designed to take up as much space as the proprietary fonts M$ uses.
There ins't any way you can format a document in M$ that you can't format it in LO, but let's face it, with a multitude of proprietary fonts, a multitude of light, pastel colored general document formats that are best described as inoffensive, and a plethora of options that can take much of the nitty gritty of formatting for your hands, making a written document or a presentation look appealing has never been easier. The days of laughably bad clip art are long gone when it comes to M$ Office, it's 2019 not 1999. Now, will most people acutely use all those nice, pastel collared table templates? No, most offices will just use black text in black boxes on white papers - ink costs money after all. There might be the occasional use of color, but that will usually be for a business meeting with a new client or something similar where you have to spend money in the hopes of making more.
But that doesn't change the fact that M$ puts the most common document formatting setting at your fingertips for those times when you need them wile LO... well, Libre Office would be a great alternative to the office that came with Windows 98.
Most proprietary software costs money. That means most proprietary software makers have money to spend on not only implementing new features in their software but on making the software look good.
By comparisons most FOSS software is made by small volunteer teams. The lack of professional designer means the software's Icons are likely to look cartoonish. The lack of a living wage for the developers of FOSS programs means new features might be years in the making, and that's if they are ever implemented. This doesn't mean FOSS software is bad, but it does mean it's not just a "it's different" kind of thing. The end result might be comparable, but that doesn't mean FOSS does everything proprietary does, and some of those small things proprietary software does are enough to make people willing to pay for it.
When people say GIMP doesn't do X thing Photopshop does, they don't mean they can't get the same end result using GIMP, they mean it takes a lot more steps and time to achieve the same result in GIMP, indifferent if they are familiar with GIMP or not.
tl;dr the author of this comment prefers paid software due to the amount of research poured into their UI for the optimal UX and the improved workflow for normal things.
But dang, walls of texts are a big turn-off.
Forgive me if I completely missed the point, but your argument is something inflexible people make.
@@tiberionjraxiosn9493 You did miss my point. My argument is that sometimes proprietary software is objectively superior to FOSS and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. And I'm not just talking UI.
As I said before, just look at Adobe Illustrator's Shape Builder tool. Not only isn't there a FOSS alternative to that, but it's unlikely we'll ever get one. That tool can save a designer hours of work every week. It's absence doesn't stop anyone using Krita/inkscape from making the same thing someone in Illustrator might make, but the amount of time needed to reach the same result can be prohibitively high for a professional designer.
I prefer FOSS and as of last week I've completely moved over to Linux and FOSS - but my livelihood isn't dependent on software such as the one made by Adobe - others are not that fortunate.
It is important to differentiate between software like Final Draft - a glorified WYSIWYG text editor with a few solid presets and templates - and software like most of Adobe's creative suit, or even M$'s Office suit that are only bloated with features if you don't know how to use said features or if you never need them.
Also, my apologies for predating Twitter.
@@AlucardNoir understandable
I feel like the sentiment that "driver issues aren't as bad or wide-spread as they used to be" is also true for Windows. I've built a couple computers recently, as well as transplanted two drives to different machines, and haven't had any issues with drivers. I haven't needed a driver disc or to download from manufacturers' websites in years, not since 8.1, or maybe even 7. When is the last time you've built a computer and went through the Windows install process?
i have used linux for 2 years now (linux mint, ubuntu, deepin os) dual boot with windows 10 and i have never had a problem with drivers or terminal.
Completely agree with 99% of all you say, except LibreOffice automation. This is LO's achilles heel: I've addressed it with LO's developers but they aren't considering it an issue.
You want LO to be a *serious* contender to MSO? automate via Python.
That will blow MSO out of the water... I would swap in a heartbeat. VBA is a joke, Python is a killer environment. That SunMoonStar thing Frankensteined from ApacheOffice is hopeless. Python is the way to go: expose LO's functionality with Python and you have a killer app.
I'll give you one example: - Choppy video on XUbuntu. This problem exists since 2013 at least. If you google it, you will see that the same bug appears constantly. Now, the question is, why is this bug not removed by the bloated egos of distro-maniacs in the meantime? A million dollar question. And, should anyone trust these guys for reliability? No. Along with this stuttering bug, there is another bug on my screen after freshly installing XUbuntu - an icon of a speaker appearing and disappearing in a pulsating manner, without any apparent cause. Why would I persist using XUbuntu? I can see from these couple of examples that people who stand behind this "distro" are amateurs who don't take their job seriously. Free or for a fee, it doesn't really matter, they should make sure their product works.
Before this I tried Manjaro, on Manjaro I couldn't even install my printer. I have found driver for this particular printer (Brother HL-L2300d) and there was a WARNING telling me that it is DANGEROUS to install this driver. I've never seen anything like this and I have a computer since 1987.
My Epson scanner refused to work on all "distros" I tried so far.
Before Manjaro, I tried Mint Cinnamon, and it was working very sluggishly and using too much of CPU for no reason so I uninstalled it. I later read that it was a known bug, but, you know what... I'm done with Cinnamon.
Now, after these 3 attempts, I've stopped trying. I had good will, but not being able to use hardware I have plus stupid bugs which should have been eradicated long time ago, killed my enthusiasm. Also, when installing or uninstalling programs, Linux is very unfriendly and very unintuitive. That is a BIG problem, much bigger than it appears to those who are already proficient in using this OS. Seeking solutions on Wiki is far from practical and that cannot replace a good tutorial and better conceived UI.
I build my own PCs and dual boot Windows 10 (for gaming and CaptureOne) and Majaro (for everything else). I have to say, re-installing both OS's recently was actually a breeze regarding drivers etc. It takes longer to close down all the holes to stop Windows from sending out all your data back to Microsoft.
Close all the holes. Opt-out of data being sent and set your connection in "metered". Resolves it.
@@christopherfortineux6937 yeah, there is more to it than that but that's the basics yes
A novice computer user with very basic skills who also has very basic computing requirements could just as easily use a preconfigured Linux computer as a preconfigured Windows computer. It's often when you have slightly higher expectations of your computer system that you run into some issues, but even then, if it's preconfigured for you, it would be unlikely to be an issue. Linux isn't Windows though so if you're coming from a Windows environment to a Linux environment there WILL be a degree of learning required.
I used to use Brother printers, Tom, and it did require me to use the terminal to install them if I followed the online instructions. I gave the printer to my 'brother' and THEN found there were drivers for it in the AUR as well! I now have a HP printer and things are a lot simpler. Sometimes wireless adapters can also be an issue.
After 12 months, I found I could make most things happen in Linux that I needed to happen, and now after 18 months it is mostly a doddle. That said, I don't have complicated requirements either... but I have learned what I mostly needed to learn... and I'm coming up to 65, so age wasn't a barrier.
Oh, I have a NVIDIA GPU and I recently changed from NVIDIA drivers to open source drivers and it just WAS NOT an issue, everything works just the same. Please note though, I am NOT a gamer.
Thanks for your content, Tom.
I sent HP a very nasty email back when they did not support Linux very well and their support got much better. Coincidence? I think not! You're welcome.
@@1pcfred Well, thank you, kind sir... I will be forever indebted to you :) The biggest issue for me, as an Aussie, was actually 'finding' a relatively basic HP MFC that didn't cost the earth lol... but I did... eventually :)
@@emjaycee that was when I was first starting out with Linux and I was trying to use hardware I'd bought to use in Windows. I don't even want to say what I paid for that ink jet printer, but they were very expensive back then. So I was super mad it didn't work in Linux. I told HP that too. But I've a feeling I may not be the only one that told them something along those lines. Then not too long later HP started supporting Linux. I think within maybe a year? Getting a printer to work back then was pretty hard even if there was a driver for it. This was back in the days of a print server and printcap. Long before there was CUPS for Linux. HP went from the worst to I'd say the best Linux printer support. So they really turned it around.
@@1pcfred That's why I made the change to HP... definitely the best printer support in Linux from what I can see. Australia is just a difficult market, Linux and Linux products don't get any coverage over here whatsoever... and minimal support. I paid roughly 10% more to get a product that ran about 20% slower. The speed wasn't an issue for what I do, and it may well be a higher quality product overall. All I care about is that it works lol.
@@emjaycee from my perspective just about everywhere else is a difficult market. I've heard the same sad story from many folks on many occasions. In fact the figures you quote seem to be on the better side of things comparatively. So you're really not doing too badly at all. Go to South America if you want something to cry about or maybe Eastern Europe perhaps. By all accounts they have it tough. Then there's those criminal organizations with their extortionate VAT taxes. What nerve! See that's why we keep our guns here. So no one gets any bright ideas. Most today are pretty sure you can't take it with you. Rile us up enough and they may find out firsthand whether that's true, or not.