As much as I enjoy Brave receiving jabs (rightfully so), I can't deny Firefox's lack of default privacy. The main reasons to use Firefox are: 1) resist the Chromium monopoly, and 2) keeping the other forks alive (Librewolf, TOR Browser, and Mullvad).
You should rarely have an inferior experience just because it's for a political stance or message, if you only use linux or firefox or other things to stick it to the big guy and not because there is some advantage you can get, you're probably an idiot that doesn't care about your time, really any message you could have sent, could be sent more efficiently if you had a better methodology for living your life.
“Resist the chromium monopoly “ is such a waste of effort What about resisting the linux monopoly? Chromium is open source, just change it to your liking. Its not like ppl are paying for multiple independent browser efforts.
Remember Mozilla forced their CEO Brendan Eich out due to his politics so he went and formed Brave. So in this case choosing a browser is a form of voting.
The only thing that makes avoid using Brave is there is no way to disable video and audio autoplay. There is no settings, they've removed the flags that allowed that. All extensions for that are broken and has no security. So annoying opening up some tabs and every tab you click the video starts without your will. Such thing doesn't happen on Firefox, especially on RUclips.
2:48 After getting to know Keepass, I never stored any passwords within Firefox anymore. I still use the Firefox browser, but I do dig into the settings and tweak things related to privacy both in the general menus as in the about:config window before I download the bare essentials uBlock and Privacy Badger and begin browsing the web. In a way my setup is comparable to Librewolf but it's updated more often and is part of the general package repository of my distro.
I understand, KeePass is better than any browser, but Tbh storing sensible data (like password) in a computer with internet access is a vulnerability by itself, even if is through KeePass. Isolating sensible data with o forever offline machine is better. If you ever need to use the password from the offline to the online one, just write character by character or store it on a cryptographic pen drive (and open with veracrypt). Online exposure = vulnerability
Between default Brave and default Firefox it's a no contest which one is better it's Brave and by a lot. But with tinkering or using a fork like Librewolf FF becomes better.
You don't even need librewolf to harden Firefox, you just have to disable some features and add others (Https only, ublock, decentralized eyes, lib redirect, JavaScript block, geolocation fingerprint, font fingerprint, plus you can even use Tor proxy instead of VPN = more secure). With brave you cannot personalize like Firefox.
been running brave now for a while, had to turn off the crypto bs and some of the other stuff they package in but on the whole I prefer it over Chrome.
@@ClariNerd besides it being built off of chromuim, that's it. That is a really lazy point against it, and one that is copy/pasted across the internet. It doesn't have the telemetry or the security issues of chrome, while maintaining compatibility and familiarity. It isn't literally just Chrome with a reskin, and the number of people who dismiss it as such speaks to this niche's paranoid schizophrenia when it comes to anything related to 'big tech'
@@in_haunt To add to your point, it also has Brave Shields, which Brave has already said won't be affected by Google's Manifest V3 bullshit. Google can try to gimp ad-blockers all they want, it won't make a difference for Brave users.
I have never had Brave ad blocker break a website, unlike some other ad blockers on Firefox. Firefox doesn't even address the issue that they don't protect you from ads. If I'm using a search engine, I don't need to pick a different one each time I search. It's easy enough to change the default search engine in both of the browsers.
I remember I ditched mozilla when they were loudly saying that censoring "disinformation" from the web was going to be a big part of what they wanted to see
Braves adblock actually protects against fingerprinting AND gives you a usable browsing experience. With firefox's resistFingerprinting you have to choose between the two.
On default ad blocking and privacy, surely having at least a default ad blocker is still better than having no ad blocker at all? On search engines, having used both, I don't think it's significantly more or less difficult to change it. I do find it very rich that they're citing it right after the privacy point though, considering their choice of default search engine. Local translation is something I value a lot, and would be a point for Firefox in my book. Unfortunately Firefox's built-in translator doesn't support most Asian languages, which makes it useless to me. Maybe it'll be added in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.
I use Brave and Librewolf. Regular Firefox's facility to block sound and autoplay doesn't seem to actually work, however, whereass Librewolf'd does work. Both browsers suit me fine.
@@tacticalcenter8658 Why should I have to go through the hassle of changing things when my preferred browser just does it right the first time without me having to meddle with it?
If we're talking about fiascos then there is no end for brave's, like with the donation fraud they did with tom scott, controversial rewards, ironically a different kind of advertising fiasco, affiliate links autocomplete manipulation, without consent vpn service installs, and every single instance it's about "we're sorry we got caught" afterwards. If all the weird a.i. and crypto and other bloat can be disabled and that's an argument for defending brave, then you can say that you can harden firefox too.
@@BlackTakGolD Those are all aspects of the browser that I don't touch. I have disabled most of that. It's not difficult to disable.Your rant hasn't dissuaded me.
So as someone with 4 browsers installed, the only reason Brave isn't one of them, is I don't like the idea of helping chromium being the default, as much as it already is.
No matter what, anyone trying to convince me that anything related to chrome is better the a mozilla product is in for a uphill trek. Open source or whatever, it's in that ecosystem. I like to root for underdog, and my experience with both has borne that out for me.
I agree that this is a lie (or an intentional misinformation spread by glow ones). No one of them are secure or even private. Period. Smartphones are vulnerable by design, since the hardware architecture: you device sends it's localization even turned off. Your "airplane" mode keep sending radio waves information. All apple's and Google's apps are spywares by definition. I could be here all day saying how no one should ever store sensible data on an smartphone or use it to very sensible purposes.
On a Mac. it's Brave first, Safari occasionally -- it's also a lot better than it used to be. I used to be a massive FF fan, but, lately, nah. It used to be my default on Linux, and across all other platforms, but it's now Brave. I wish I didn't have to use a Chromium browser, and I really liked Gecko, but for the time being, needs must. Plus, Brave is _incredibly_ fast on every platform I've found, and consumes the least resources, even with many tabs open.
Nobody is mentioning the actual level of danger the Crypto ads Brave has by default(which I still haven't figured out how to disable). They're far more dangerous than online casinos. People are obviously falling for them if they can afford to buy the ad space.
I think there is a setting that says something like“block brave rewards icon” and I’m pretty sure that keeps the Crypto stuff from popping up. Tbh I set it up how I like it quite a bit ago, so I’m not 100% sure if that’s the setting, but I don’t think I’ve noticed any of the Crypto things for like the last 8-12 months. Hope that helps!
I have no problem at changing a few settings in Brave, but, I have a few problems with political problems with FireFaux, that's moved it to 3rd on my list of Browsers. Brave Ungoogled Chromium, FireFaux, Chromium. IF I hear good things about Zen Browser they will be moved to third
Firefox has been getting more and more annoying. The immutable update popups and the harassment of multilingual users, in the form of popups on other than English websites finally persuaded me that Firefox is out of touch with user needs, if not outright disrespectful. I downloaded Brave, giving it a try. Mozilla user since before version 1 here, by the way. Firefox ‘commitment’ to privacy seems more and more like lip service. They can’t even commit to not being annoying.
lets not forget to mention that firefox now has telemetry by default, brave dont. and i've used brave for like a year or 2 and i've never had an issue. nothing breaks lol. firefox is a joke, brave and librewolf are the only options for me. also i use brave search no matter what browser i use. and the same extensions
I have no dog in the fight (obviously) and will continue using both (although for different purposes) but - and u might touch this later, just have no time to watch the entire vid - the issue of those hundreds of millions of USD Google pays to Mozilla to keep the lights on... is a bit questionable (to be very charitable). I don't doubt Firefox might have best intentions - but when someone's dangling your survivor over you - ahhhhhhh... u might do some "under the table" things. In short - I respect both, don't trust either 100%.
Honestly? This Vs. stuff make me sick. Treat browsers like tools, not some vote candidate. Use whatever works best for you and don't be afraid of having multiple installed for different needs.
I do find it annoying when companies pick on a specific other company and say how bad they are compared to you, why not just tell about the good stuff in your product instead of complaining on others, I switched from Firefox to Brave a few years ago, I would be ok with using Firefox though, do people trust default settings in a browser ? don't they look through the settings and disable all junk they don't like ?
Brave FTW. With Firefox I had issues with a lot of the gaming sites I went to. Brave is just better. Sadly it's based on chromium but the entire web is written for chromium these days and Firefox went woke as hell
I've used about every browser for some period of time, I've searched far and wide for an actual good browser. I use my browser like a hoarder so I need good performance out of it, I also run my computer and browser until my computer forces an update on me, which I have already pushed as far as possible because I don't want to restart. I once had a screenshot of my screen and you know the top part where your tabs are, when there's enough tabs it just become like the logo because it's too cramped, well it was like that but I stacked different windows from the top of my screens to the bottom (had three screens at the time) btw this was not a stress test, it was simply my friend being curious on how many tabs I had open. chrome: I didn't like it because it starts to feel very sluggish with what I would call a moderate amount of tabs. extension support is there tho so that's good. sadly adblock stopped working (I think) brave: same thing as chrome but the issue is worst because brave in all it's glory decided that making a solid web browser wasn't enough so they needed to add "features" (or the way I call it bloat) I want a web browser with some amount of customization, bookmarks and extensions. Not a whole goddamn operating system. (I still use it on mobile for the integrated adblock) vivaldi: became sluggish after about a week of running straight, outside of that it was solid. opera gx: outside of being chinese spyware, I'll reiterate the point of wanting a web browser. Not an entire goddamn OS also it feels very sluggish without any tabs open compared to other browsers even while they're loaded up with tabs (I generally spend in between a week to 6 months trying out browsers when I wanted to find a good browser, I spent 3 days with opera good fwcking riddance) ungoogled chromium: suffers most of the same problems as chrome minus some privacy concerns Firefox: The one which I always end up coming back to, no matter how much I try to find alternatives it just comes around full circle. Now it ain't all sunshines and rainbows I once had a bug where none of my accounts would log into firefox, websites included (the reason for the great search for a browser) and yeah if you're wondering the reason I'm using nightly is because firefox is still being a bytch after nearly a year of it's bullcrap also it's firefox which went on the crusade of a million tabs. it does feel sluggish, but when you get to that point instead of outright crashing you can keep going and going which is why I like it. edge: pffff 50 tabs and it's already begging to be put down tldr: firefox is the only browser which can support my crippling hoarding habits without ever crashing for years and I do mean it, if I open my old firefox now I'm going to be assaulted by about 20 different windows and a couple thousand tabs, some that were opened 2 or 3 years ago and never touched since.
It means idealogically compromised with pro-Dei policies, which as a user. You should be warned as it means you will have a lesser product as thanks to not hiring people based upon merit.
I also use both on various operating systems, on older and newer hardware, Firefox and all its forks has only one thing over Brave, on Linux they will trigger the virtual keyboard on a tablet PC, that is it, Brave is superior in every meaning full way, except for the one I mention, Firefox requires additional software to support PWA, to block adds and trackers, and its profile support is difficult to use, also the sync feature requires a login and account, which I hate, its also slower, and its RUclips performance is terrible, specially on lower powered hardware, stupid PIP feature requires finding and killing, Firefox has constant popup hints that you need to disable, it has tracking and crap automatically enable and requires you to turn it off, in full screen with a PWA and on a touch first device, your screwed, you can get out of full screen, there is a long, long list of the issues I have found using Firefox, is basically crap and I would only use it, if I couldn't use Brave, and on Android, Kiwi Browser is king, and all other browsers are just rubbish skinned versions of Chrome, including Brave.
ahh yess I thought I was going crazy on the sluggish Firefox performance compared to Brave. I've uninstalled Firefox and went Brave path, no looking back.
@@steeltormentors Yes and its very noticeable on older slower hardware, if your using a modern fast machine, you may not see any difference, but on 8th gen Intel and older you definitely can, and most people with older hardware do turn to Linux and alternative software, even on a M series 7th gen, I find Brave much more responsive, specially with RUclips.
They been woke, but our choices ar limited. So for me Firefox is now my $ 3 browser. IF I hear good things about Zen they will again, move down a notch
Google is already everywhere. If it's not Google Chrome, they are recording us on Android. Firefox and Brave are not going to stop anything more than annoying browser services. Google Chrome is fine if you know what you are getting.
I was wondering if I was the only one that used multiple browsers. I mostly use Brave. Only complaint is that it takes longer to load than the others. I use Firefox mostly when I play with web development. I do use Chrome for banking. (For some stupid reason the only two browsers I can log into my bank with is Chrome and Edge. Used Edge for that in my Windows days, otherwise DuckDuckGo when I go slumming in Windows.* (Why my bank does that is beyond me as I think these are the two least secure browsers. I was told I could with Firefox but it has never worked for me. Also can't log in if using a VPN.🤔). I do use TOR every once in a while. I never let them share anything between themselves. As another person mentioned, I love the absence of YT ads in Brave. (*Have to still have to use Windows when making setting changes in my guitar amp. Heck, when I feel nostalgic I boot into OS/2. It's sometimes good to see how far we have come.)
The problem with Brave is it's yet another Chromium-based browser. Because of that it will have to deal with whatever underhanded and deceptive practices Google does with the codebase (don't you believe Google is at all "hands-off" with the Chromium core). Additionally, someday there's going to be some serious core vulnerabilities discovered in Chrome, and they will be very quickly exploited. Remember the disaster of MSIE and *it's* vulnerabilities? And that was just ONE browser on ONE operating system. The chromium codebase is on nearly ALL operating systems, in multiple uncountable forms. So when those vulnerabilities hit, it will be leagues worse than MSIE. And all those Chromium-based browsers mean that web developers can be LAZY, and only test against a single configuration (if they test at all) rather than doing their jobs. I am *SO* looking forward to the Ladybird browser.
lol iphone better? well this guy's lost his mind. browsers on iphone are all safari android is the same"ish" browser as PC so yea i'll stick to android
I think you have a TOTAL misunderstanding of the things I am saying. The comments on Android and iPhone are NOT about browsers (as I clearly said at the beginning). If you watch that part again, it is about the overall PRIVACY OF THE PHONE. If you are not modding,rooting,etc, the iPhone is better for privacy. If you are modding your phone, Android is better. The browsers (on desktop) are the same. If you are not modding, Brave is better for privacy, if you are modding, Firefox is better. Yes, I KNOW that all the browsers on the mobile platforms are based on the engine for that platform, and that is why I said this video is about desktop browsers.
this has been my experience too both in Linux and Windows. My laptop is not old, it was one of the most powerful laptop APU in 2021 (Ryzen 7 4800u) so there's no issue with hardware.
Brave's password manager is offline, I don't know why you think it's not. In any case, cloud password managers are actually better, because they're more convenient. Not everyone uses the same device all the time, and if you have to switch devices and don't have your password store handy you're SOL.
??? I never said anything about it being online. And NEVER use an online password manager. It is too easy to leak everything. You can migrate keepass files, it is not hard to do.
I don't care at all what arguments go on behind the scenes. That's just more politics, as you reference. Firefox is great to me because it's not Chromium.
Firefox is based on Gecko. Brave is based on Chromium. I have Vivaldi for that. EDIT: Darn, after watching this video, I need to re-evaluate my options.
I couldn't go with Brave. Why? The stupid icon that looks like an empty bag of gas. A lion? Really? Red? Really? Looks like a RWNJ wet dream and something for people with movies playing in their head and nobody else can see the movie. Yeah, hard pass, no matter how it runs. Brave defaults to its own search engine? Sounds like the type of jokers that love to live in a walled garden. Might as well hop onto that Microsoft lap and bounce like a good little subby at that point if you want somebody telling you how to search so you don't get any content that doesn't agree with current delusions of grandeur.
Brave is bloated, firefox isnt. It is not capable by itself to do all things that librewolf kr mullvad are able to do. To be realistic the vast majority of people who value their privacy, they can choose the extension they want to get the features they need and only the necessary once for them. Brave has more features out of the box but you also have all the stuff most people dont need or know what it truly does. No person valuing privacy on a level of the features not available in firefox would prefer brave because they essentially have an extension integrated. The creator and privacy of the integration in brave is chosen for you. Also anyone caring about privacy has the very basic knowledge to install ublock origin on chrome. If you don't, you dont value privacy.
Yes, the iPhone IS CERTAINLY more private than an android unless you mod your phone. You can look it up, it is very common knowledge with a ton of research to back it up.
@@SwitchedtoLinux In your mind maybe...mo wonder Putin BANNED ALL gov't employees from using iPhones some year ago...he called them 'spy machines' and he ain't wrong....
According to Google: "Peter Thiel is a self-described conservative libertarian. Since the late 2010s, he has espoused support for national conservatism, and criticized economically liberal attitudes towards free trade and big tech." These "liberal attitudes". What they exactly mean? Because "liberal" in the USA is perceived as someone that is left-wing, on the other hand, in the general world, liberal is someone who follows the economic liberalism which is a right-wing political agenda. I don't get it to be honest.
As much as I enjoy Brave receiving jabs (rightfully so), I can't deny Firefox's lack of default privacy. The main reasons to use Firefox are: 1) resist the Chromium monopoly, and 2) keeping the other forks alive (Librewolf, TOR Browser, and Mullvad).
The only reason Firefox is still around is because Google signs their paychecks 😊
Like your channel btw 😊 keep up the good work
You should rarely have an inferior experience just because it's for a political stance or message, if you only use linux or firefox or other things to stick it to the big guy and not because there is some advantage you can get, you're probably an idiot that doesn't care about your time, really any message you could have sent, could be sent more efficiently if you had a better methodology for living your life.
@@myekuntz "Google signs their paychecks" Unfortunately true.
Thanks, very much appreciated.
“Resist the chromium monopoly “ is such a waste of effort
What about resisting the linux monopoly? Chromium is open source, just change it to your liking.
Its not like ppl are paying for multiple independent browser efforts.
Remember Mozilla forced their CEO Brendan Eich out due to his politics so he went and formed Brave. So in this case choosing a browser is a form of voting.
Yep.
The only thing that makes avoid using Brave is there is no way to disable video and audio autoplay. There is no settings, they've removed the flags that allowed that. All extensions for that are broken and has no security.
So annoying opening up some tabs and every tab you click the video starts without your will. Such thing doesn't happen on Firefox, especially on RUclips.
@@elonmushen Well that and its just another chromium fork
@@cholst1 What's that have to do with what I said?
Due to his politics of being anti gay marriage
2:48 After getting to know Keepass, I never stored any passwords within Firefox anymore. I still use the Firefox browser, but I do dig into the settings and tweak things related to privacy both in the general menus as in the about:config window before I download the bare essentials uBlock and Privacy Badger and begin browsing the web.
In a way my setup is comparable to Librewolf but it's updated more often and is part of the general package repository of my distro.
I just discovered Waterfox. It's surprisingly light.
I understand, KeePass is better than any browser, but Tbh storing sensible data (like password) in a computer with internet access is a vulnerability by itself, even if is through KeePass. Isolating sensible data with o forever offline machine is better.
If you ever need to use the password from the offline to the online one, just write character by character or store it on a cryptographic pen drive (and open with veracrypt).
Online exposure = vulnerability
Between default Brave and default Firefox it's a no contest which one is better it's Brave and by a lot. But with tinkering or using a fork like Librewolf FF becomes better.
brave literally broke after second run
Firefox hasnt failed me at two thousand tabs
You don't even need librewolf to harden Firefox, you just have to disable some features and add others (Https only, ublock, decentralized eyes, lib redirect, JavaScript block, geolocation fingerprint, font fingerprint, plus you can even use Tor proxy instead of VPN = more secure). With brave you cannot personalize like Firefox.
Vivadi is the bad ass that you are looking for.
Unless I’ve missed something, if you have to turn it off, it IS enabled by default. You had to turn that stuff off in Brave, not turn it on.
been running brave now for a while, had to turn off the crypto bs and some of the other stuff they package in but on the whole I prefer it over Chrome.
you do know brave is just a skin on top of chrome, right?
@@ClariNerd besides it being built off of chromuim, that's it. That is a really lazy point against it, and one that is copy/pasted across the internet.
It doesn't have the telemetry or the security issues of chrome, while maintaining compatibility and familiarity. It isn't literally just Chrome with a reskin, and the number of people who dismiss it as such speaks to this niche's paranoid schizophrenia when it comes to anything related to 'big tech'
@@in_haunt To add to your point, it also has Brave Shields, which Brave has already said won't be affected by Google's Manifest V3 bullshit. Google can try to gimp ad-blockers all they want, it won't make a difference for Brave users.
I have never had Brave ad blocker break a website, unlike some other ad blockers on Firefox. Firefox doesn't even address the issue that they don't protect you from ads. If I'm using a search engine, I don't need to pick a different one each time I search. It's easy enough to change the default search engine in both of the browsers.
I remember I ditched mozilla when they were loudly saying that censoring "disinformation" from the web was going to be a big part of what they wanted to see
same reason I ditched DuckDuckGo. I've been running Ecosia for the past few years. Just feeds Bing results, but they all do anyway
Thanks for your expertise. I use Brave 99% of the time.
Brave. I haven't seen a YT ad in 6 years.
I've probably encountered 6 years of YT ads had I watched them. 😅
Netflix ads still get through though, had to install an extension just for that.
I'm using Firefox and haven't seen a YT ad in over 6 years. But I might still give Brave a go.
@@trail.blazer If you want Chromium without a fuss, Brave does a good job.
@@JDMorris81 Netflix ads???? I've never even heard of that. I've never seen a Netflix ad. On any browser. You might want to check for a virus.
Braves adblock actually protects against fingerprinting AND gives you a usable browsing experience. With firefox's resistFingerprinting you have to choose between the two.
On default ad blocking and privacy, surely having at least a default ad blocker is still better than having no ad blocker at all?
On search engines, having used both, I don't think it's significantly more or less difficult to change it. I do find it very rich that they're citing it right after the privacy point though, considering their choice of default search engine.
Local translation is something I value a lot, and would be a point for Firefox in my book. Unfortunately Firefox's built-in translator doesn't support most Asian languages, which makes it useless to me. Maybe it'll be added in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.
I use Brave and Librewolf. Regular Firefox's facility to block sound and autoplay doesn't seem to actually work, however, whereass Librewolf'd does work. Both browsers suit me fine.
I use Brave, Edge and Firefox. Brave for youtube, Edge for Microsoft and Canva (because hardware acceleration). Firefox for non-account related sites
40:20 You can turn off any notifications in regular Brave settings. No need for shenanigans for it... DUH
Any, not all.
@@SwitchedtoLinux It's there, it's called "Don't allow sites to send notifications".
Liking two Firefox forks: Zen and Librewolf.
+1 librewolf - the only thing that annoys me sometimes is that it freezes while accessing Claude or chatgpt
@@etziowingeler3173 with gpt etc, you are giving them all your data and it fingerprints you.
I use librewolf, mullvad browser, and tor
I just recently discovered Zen.Just haven't really used it because I'm still a little gun shy , but maybe.
Zen is amazing alternative that I put my effort in for the last 2 months. Loving the sidebar and esthetics.
Firefox makes it easy for you to choose your default search engine, as long as it's Google...
Firefox Android has a huge advantage: ublock origin extension!
I much prefer Brave to Firefox. The largest issue I have with FF is the advertising data fiasco. I refuse to accept it.
Then use mitigations for FF.
@@tacticalcenter8658 Why should I have to go through the hassle of changing things when my preferred browser just does it right the first time without me having to meddle with it?
I agree bleep FF
If we're talking about fiascos then there is no end for brave's, like with the donation fraud they did with tom scott, controversial rewards, ironically a different kind of advertising fiasco, affiliate links autocomplete manipulation, without consent vpn service installs, and every single instance it's about "we're sorry we got caught" afterwards. If all the weird a.i. and crypto and other bloat can be disabled and that's an argument for defending brave, then you can say that you can harden firefox too.
@@BlackTakGolD Those are all aspects of the browser that I don't touch. I have disabled most of that. It's not difficult to disable.Your rant hasn't dissuaded me.
I use both, mostly because my Bank likes Fire
Fox on linux
So as someone with 4 browsers installed, the only reason Brave isn't one of them, is I don't like the idea of helping chromium being the default, as much as it already is.
No matter what, anyone trying to convince me that anything related to chrome is better the a mozilla product is in for a uphill trek. Open source or whatever, it's in that ecosystem. I like to root for underdog, and my experience with both has borne that out for me.
19:55 I just spat out my food, an iphone being more private than an android is the most absurd statement I have heard all day
I agree that this is a lie (or an intentional misinformation spread by glow ones).
No one of them are secure or even private. Period.
Smartphones are vulnerable by design, since the hardware architecture: you device sends it's localization even turned off. Your "airplane" mode keep sending radio waves information. All apple's and Google's apps are spywares by definition. I could be here all day saying how no one should ever store sensible data on an smartphone or use it to very sensible purposes.
I've never had any problems with Firefox.
On a Mac. it's Brave first, Safari occasionally -- it's also a lot better than it used to be. I used to be a massive FF fan, but, lately, nah. It used to be my default on Linux, and across all other platforms, but it's now Brave. I wish I didn't have to use a Chromium browser, and I really liked Gecko, but for the time being, needs must.
Plus, Brave is _incredibly_ fast on every platform I've found, and consumes the least resources, even with many tabs open.
PrivacyTests is essential.
So are many other things that PT doesn't cover.
Thank you. I guess Zen Browser would score well, too.
Been using it lately myself, liking it a lot.
Brave and occasionally LibreWolf.
Brave lacks capability to use French dictionary spell check.
Je m’en fous
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For the newbs out there (like me) - 'FOSS' stands for Free & Open-Source Software.
Nobody is mentioning the actual level of danger the Crypto ads Brave has by default(which I still haven't figured out how to disable).
They're far more dangerous than online casinos. People are obviously falling for them if they can afford to buy the ad space.
I think there is a setting that says something like“block brave rewards icon” and I’m pretty sure that keeps the Crypto stuff from popping up.
Tbh I set it up how I like it quite a bit ago, so I’m not 100% sure if that’s the setting, but I don’t think I’ve noticed any of the Crypto things for like the last 8-12 months.
Hope that helps!
I use brave, which ads do you mean?
The big splash pages are legit protocols. Used to contribute to one that advertised on it regularly.
@@bearwolffish Thank you for proving my point.
Brave gets my vote
Both sucks in their own way.
With all the drama surrounding Firefox, they're dead to me. I switched to Brave a couple months ago and just never looked back.
I keep Firefox as a backup, but much prefer Brave.
same
Seems like Firefox is for convenience rather than privacy.
Always use Arkenfox
I have no problem at changing a few settings in Brave, but,
I have a few problems with political problems with FireFaux, that's moved it to 3rd on my list of Browsers.
Brave Ungoogled Chromium, FireFaux, Chromium. IF I hear good things about Zen Browser they will be moved to third
Owls need HUGS
@@Margen67 correct
Ill stick to LibreWolf. Glad I already made the switch earlier this year. BTW, give ZEN browser a look (another source-fork of Gecko/FireFox).
Both great browsers. Only issue with Brave is based on chrome engine, and already enforces the horribly limit v3 manifest.
As a Google Android user, Brave is better.
Firefox has been getting more and more annoying. The immutable update popups and the harassment of multilingual users, in the form of popups on other than English websites finally persuaded me that Firefox is out of touch with user needs, if not outright disrespectful. I downloaded Brave, giving it a try. Mozilla user since before version 1 here, by the way. Firefox ‘commitment’ to privacy seems more and more like lip service. They can’t even commit to not being annoying.
Yeah brave is bounds better than firefox.
I only use Firefox because it's a different browser and I'll likely drop it for ladybird soon enough
If only Firefox was brave enough to make an actual good browser as they make up stories about their goodness.
I use Librewolf with searx and an encrypted usb drive for passwords. Pure Wayland and JavaScript disabled.
lets not forget to mention that firefox now has telemetry by default, brave dont.
and i've used brave for like a year or 2 and i've never had an issue. nothing breaks lol. firefox is a joke, brave and librewolf are the only options for me. also i use brave search no matter what browser i use. and the same extensions
Librewolf is my default but if something doesn't work then I go to Brave. KeepassXC w/out the xtention is my password manager. No issues here.
THE read winner is the web browser that can still block ads on RUclips AND Rumble.
I have no dog in the fight (obviously) and will continue using both (although for different purposes) but - and u might touch this later, just have no time to watch the entire vid - the issue of those hundreds of millions of USD Google pays to Mozilla to keep the lights on... is a bit questionable (to be very charitable). I don't doubt Firefox might have best intentions - but when someone's dangling your survivor over you - ahhhhhhh... u might do some "under the table" things. In short - I respect both, don't trust either 100%.
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The website is literally operated by a brave employee. Calling it independent is just not correct.
Honestly? This Vs. stuff make me sick. Treat browsers like tools, not some vote candidate. Use whatever works best for you and don't be afraid of having multiple installed for different needs.
I do find it annoying when companies pick on a specific other company and say how bad they are compared to you, why not just tell about the good stuff in your product instead of complaining on others, I switched from Firefox to Brave a few years ago, I would be ok with using Firefox though, do people trust default settings in a browser ? don't they look through the settings and disable all junk they don't like ?
betterfox has a reasonable user.js file you can add into your firefox profile settings
Brave FTW. With Firefox I had issues with a lot of the gaming sites I went to. Brave is just better. Sadly it's based on chromium but the entire web is written for chromium these days and Firefox went woke as hell
I've used about every browser for some period of time, I've searched far and wide for an actual good browser. I use my browser like a hoarder so I need good performance out of it, I also run my computer and browser until my computer forces an update on me, which I have already pushed as far as possible because I don't want to restart. I once had a screenshot of my screen and you know the top part where your tabs are, when there's enough tabs it just become like the logo because it's too cramped, well it was like that but I stacked different windows from the top of my screens to the bottom (had three screens at the time) btw this was not a stress test, it was simply my friend being curious on how many tabs I had open.
chrome: I didn't like it because it starts to feel very sluggish with what I would call a moderate amount of tabs. extension support is there tho so that's good. sadly adblock stopped working (I think)
brave: same thing as chrome but the issue is worst because brave in all it's glory decided that making a solid web browser wasn't enough so they needed to add "features" (or the way I call it bloat) I want a web browser with some amount of customization, bookmarks and extensions. Not a whole goddamn operating system. (I still use it on mobile for the integrated adblock)
vivaldi: became sluggish after about a week of running straight, outside of that it was solid.
opera gx: outside of being chinese spyware, I'll reiterate the point of wanting a web browser. Not an entire goddamn OS also it feels very sluggish without any tabs open compared to other browsers even while they're loaded up with tabs (I generally spend in between a week to 6 months trying out browsers when I wanted to find a good browser, I spent 3 days with opera good fwcking riddance)
ungoogled chromium: suffers most of the same problems as chrome minus some privacy concerns
Firefox: The one which I always end up coming back to, no matter how much I try to find alternatives it just comes around full circle. Now it ain't all sunshines and rainbows I once had a bug where none of my accounts would log into firefox, websites included (the reason for the great search for a browser) and yeah if you're wondering the reason I'm using nightly is because firefox is still being a bytch after nearly a year of it's bullcrap also it's firefox which went on the crusade of a million tabs. it does feel sluggish, but when you get to that point instead of outright crashing you can keep going and going which is why I like it.
edge: pffff 50 tabs and it's already begging to be put down
tldr: firefox is the only browser which can support my crippling hoarding habits without ever crashing for years and I do mean it, if I open my old firefox now I'm going to be assaulted by about 20 different windows and a couple thousand tabs, some that were opened 2 or 3 years ago and never touched since.
What does that mean - "going woke"?
I've seen this a number of times now ...
@@kumbah2006 It means they've been ideologically compromised.
It means idealogically compromised with pro-Dei policies, which as a user. You should be warned as it means you will have a lesser product as thanks to not hiring people based upon merit.
Happens I also use both, but prefer Brave.
Brave is what you use if you care about your browser lol
(I'm like half joking when I say that)
Firefox knows brave is better infact Firefox has always been a shill
I also use both on various operating systems, on older and newer hardware, Firefox and all its forks has only one thing over Brave, on Linux they will trigger the virtual keyboard on a tablet PC, that is it, Brave is superior in every meaning full way, except for the one I mention, Firefox requires additional software to support PWA, to block adds and trackers, and its profile support is difficult to use, also the sync feature requires a login and account, which I hate, its also slower, and its RUclips performance is terrible, specially on lower powered hardware, stupid PIP feature requires finding and killing, Firefox has constant popup hints that you need to disable, it has tracking and crap automatically enable and requires you to turn it off, in full screen with a PWA and on a touch first device, your screwed, you can get out of full screen, there is a long, long list of the issues I have found using Firefox, is basically crap and I would only use it, if I couldn't use Brave, and on Android, Kiwi Browser is king, and all other browsers are just rubbish skinned versions of Chrome, including Brave.
ahh yess I thought I was going crazy on the sluggish Firefox performance compared to Brave. I've uninstalled Firefox and went Brave path, no looking back.
@@steeltormentors Yes and its very noticeable on older slower hardware, if your using a modern fast machine, you may not see any difference, but on 8th gen Intel and older you definitely can, and most people with older hardware do turn to Linux and alternative software, even on a M series 7th gen, I find Brave much more responsive, specially with RUclips.
Brave is great except for the logo that's shaped like a coffin and the crypto bloatware.
Based on quantum not firefox;at least as far as i know it is the engine used by firefox and its forks
I'll stick with firefox. i don't trust google code.
Google's services vs open source chromium are 2 different things entirely
Than dont use chrome browser
firefox? oh no. gone woke. no thanks
They been woke, but our choices ar limited. So
for me Firefox is now my $ 3 browser.
IF I hear good things about Zen they will again, move down a notch
I wonder how hardened Firefox would fair in these testings, specially Arkenfox and Betterfox user.js.
Just look at libre wolf and mullvad for the next closest thing in the tests, hardened ff trades blows fs
Domt use Chromium unless Google is fully removed
Google is already everywhere. If it's not Google Chrome, they are recording us on Android. Firefox and Brave are not going to stop anything more than annoying browser services. Google Chrome is fine if you know what you are getting.
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@@tacticalcenter8658 Either that or just clueless.
With the abundance of browser available, I ONLY use Chromium (with appropriate extensions) For RUclips
Google rules the internet, you can't avoid it as w3bsltes are all tested to work in Google Chrome. Google is the default like it or not!
More sense would have librewolf vs brave
This was only a comparison because Firefox attacked Brave on social media.
I was wondering if I was the only one that used multiple browsers. I mostly use Brave. Only complaint is that it takes longer to load than the others. I use Firefox mostly when I play with web development. I do use Chrome for banking. (For some stupid reason the only two browsers I can log into my bank with is Chrome and Edge. Used Edge for that in my Windows days, otherwise DuckDuckGo when I go slumming in Windows.* (Why my bank does that is beyond me as I think these are the two least secure browsers. I was told I could with Firefox but it has never worked for me. Also can't log in if using a VPN.🤔). I do use TOR every once in a while. I never let them share anything between themselves.
As another person mentioned, I love the absence of YT ads in Brave.
(*Have to still have to use Windows when making setting changes in my guitar amp. Heck, when I feel nostalgic I boot into OS/2. It's sometimes good to see how far we have come.)
I had better experience in floorp than Firefox
I use both, but prefer Brave because of firefox's wokey politics. Brave also blocks a whole lot more ads by default.
Are you on nostr?
For years ive always referred firefox with the four letter f word with fire it😂
Brave supports web3 technology by default, Firefox does not.
The problem with Brave is it's yet another Chromium-based browser. Because of that it will have to deal with whatever underhanded and deceptive practices Google does with the codebase (don't you believe Google is at all "hands-off" with the Chromium core). Additionally, someday there's going to be some serious core vulnerabilities discovered in Chrome, and they will be very quickly exploited. Remember the disaster of MSIE and *it's* vulnerabilities? And that was just ONE browser on ONE operating system. The chromium codebase is on nearly ALL operating systems, in multiple uncountable forms. So when those vulnerabilities hit, it will be leagues worse than MSIE.
And all those Chromium-based browsers mean that web developers can be LAZY, and only test against a single configuration (if they test at all) rather than doing their jobs. I am *SO* looking forward to the Ladybird browser.
just to point it out since you said that PrivacyTests is a 3rd party > the person running it works for Brave
I dropped Firefox cause they went woke 😊
Well hope Mozilla doesn't get themselves in legal trouble but they have been venturing into ms territory it seems
lol iphone better? well this guy's lost his mind. browsers on iphone are all safari android is the same"ish" browser as PC so yea i'll stick to android
I think you have a TOTAL misunderstanding of the things I am saying. The comments on Android and iPhone are NOT about browsers (as I clearly said at the beginning). If you watch that part again, it is about the overall PRIVACY OF THE PHONE. If you are not modding,rooting,etc, the iPhone is better for privacy. If you are modding your phone, Android is better. The browsers (on desktop) are the same. If you are not modding, Brave is better for privacy, if you are modding, Firefox is better.
Yes, I KNOW that all the browsers on the mobile platforms are based on the engine for that platform, and that is why I said this video is about desktop browsers.
FF may be bad, but I’m not going to use another Chromium-based browser no matter what, that would just mean supporting Google’s monopoly over the web.
I like brave, firefox on Linux is extremely glitchy and sluggish, especially when watching yourtube or amazon prime..basically the streaming services.
this has been my experience too both in Linux and Windows. My laptop is not old, it was one of the most powerful laptop APU in 2021 (Ryzen 7 4800u) so there's no issue with hardware.
I use librewolf and brave
Brave should ignore it..
Brave ❤️
Firefox is my choice for 5 years, cheers
there is no comparison, Brave is 1000times better and Thorium is better than brave...
GET ALONG...WE LOVE YOU BOTH !!!!
Brave vs Firefox bla bla bla
Let me be honest with FF devs, none of these arguments matter to me.
I think this is their problem. They are always focusing on nonsense instead of looking to solve issues related to browsing.
Brave's password manager is offline, I don't know why you think it's not.
In any case, cloud password managers are actually better, because they're more convenient. Not everyone uses the same device all the time, and if you have to switch devices and don't have your password store handy you're SOL.
??? I never said anything about it being online.
And NEVER use an online password manager. It is too easy to leak everything. You can migrate keepass files, it is not hard to do.
"When we last met, I was the student, but now, I'm the master"
- Brendan Eich , probably
I use brave. No youtube ads is the reason - firefox doesn"r block any of those on mobile.
Use Ublock origin. Brave will soon stop blocking ads by the way and bundles malware, as well as selling your information.
Vivaldi ftw
firefox doesn't have an adblocker. that's an addon
If you use “Enhanced Tracking Protection” setting, that happens to remove lots of ads because they rely on trackers
Why not just use chromium?
Chromium is worse for privacy than both of these. It is still owned by Google, after all.
@@SwitchedtoLinux isn't brave just chromium with extra steps?
WokeZilla: "Brave has many flaws. FireFox is better!"
Brave: "What's that noise? Does anyone else hear a mouse squeaking?"
I don't care at all what arguments go on behind the scenes. That's just more politics, as you reference. Firefox is great to me because it's not Chromium.
I DON'T USE FIREFOX.
Brendan may be a conservative, but Mozilla is as woke as fvck and has done loads of crappy moves on Firefox users with all their useless features
"It uses the tor system but it does not do what tor does" why comment on topics you dont know about?
Yes, why are you doing that?
Firefox is based on Gecko. Brave is based on Chromium. I have Vivaldi for that.
EDIT: Darn, after watching this video, I need to re-evaluate my options.
Brave is just Chrome. Floorp is a better firefox!
I couldn't go with Brave. Why? The stupid icon that looks like an empty bag of gas. A lion? Really? Red? Really? Looks like a RWNJ wet dream and something for people with movies playing in their head and nobody else can see the movie. Yeah, hard pass, no matter how it runs. Brave defaults to its own search engine? Sounds like the type of jokers that love to live in a walled garden. Might as well hop onto that Microsoft lap and bounce like a good little subby at that point if you want somebody telling you how to search so you don't get any content that doesn't agree with current delusions of grandeur.
Brave is bloated, firefox isnt. It is not capable by itself to do all things that librewolf kr mullvad are able to do. To be realistic the vast majority of people who value their privacy, they can choose the extension they want to get the features they need and only the necessary once for them. Brave has more features out of the box but you also have all the stuff most people dont need or know what it truly does. No person valuing privacy on a level of the features not available in firefox would prefer brave because they essentially have an extension integrated. The creator and privacy of the integration in brave is chosen for you. Also anyone caring about privacy has the very basic knowledge to install ublock origin on chrome. If you don't, you dont value privacy.
" iPhone is more Private than Android "
I needed a good joke to wake me up cuz the coffee ain't working.
Yes, the iPhone IS CERTAINLY more private than an android unless you mod your phone. You can look it up, it is very common knowledge with a ton of research to back it up.
@@SwitchedtoLinux In your mind maybe...mo wonder Putin BANNED ALL gov't employees from using iPhones some year ago...he called them 'spy machines' and he ain't wrong....
Brave is best. Much faster and full of features and privacy. Much better than Chrome and Firefox.
According to Google: "Peter Thiel is a self-described conservative libertarian. Since the late 2010s, he has espoused support for national conservatism, and criticized economically liberal attitudes towards free trade and big tech."
These "liberal attitudes". What they exactly mean? Because "liberal" in the USA is perceived as someone that is left-wing, on the other hand, in the general world, liberal is someone who follows the economic liberalism which is a right-wing political agenda.
I don't get it to be honest.