Part 6 - Building an £850 hatchback into a competitive race car.
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- In part 6 of Bargain Racement, we look back at what happened in our first race and plan some improvements to try and go a little faster. We go to Wales for some testing before heading back to the shed for some last minute fettling.
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This is the best episode yet. Everyone knows racing is about fitting into a set of class rules, then exploiting, bending or breaking those rules to the best of your ability. Just ask Toyota about their Celica GTFour. :D
Now that was pure genius.
That sure was. What about Ferrari in F1 last season having boosts in fuel between sensor readings?
Agreed! Best one yet. And the track is beautiful. We couldn't have a track like that in the U.S. as the property would just be too valuable, but the track owner could sell it and build two tracks a few miles inland!!
well Toyota was absolutely cheating back then :D but so was everyone else. Think Ford and their Focus' "rear bumper" aka pressure tank
Or NASCAR with the cardboard restrictor plates under the carb 😂😂😂
When I saw Nik's cowboy hat on race day, I was reminded of Smokey Yunick. When I heard about Nik's regard for race regulations, I knew Smokey was Nik's spirit animal.
"Is it? Is it really." My exact response, out loud: "clamps? You magnificent bastard."
said exactly the same thing when no welding or adaptation to the cage was mentioned.
I expect the 2021 city car cup regulations will rewritten slightly because of you two 🤣🤣
I imagine saying "slightly rewritten", would be like calling Mt. Everest a bit tall.
If this ends up going the way they want, that's exactly what'll happen.
Nothing against the winning car or driver, they interpreted the rules better and obviously knew how to drive.
But you can't steer away from the fact that the winning car obviously had mods that the BOM Citroen didn't, 2 seconds is nothing short of completely insane.
@@ToreDL87 2 secs is a huge gap in a spec series at the same time if it wasnt for rule books being grey more than black and white we wouldnt of got this episode
@@danteblankenship6213 Why, I always thought Mt. Everest was quite tall, even though there are a few of his kind that are even taller in our solar system... ;)
It'll just say "No custom brackets... Nick!" :P
12:37 "far from optimal" hahaha. Good to see the funk being outgotten and you lot fabricating again!
outgotten ........ :)
One of the main reasons why I love your channel is not just the insane attention to detail and over-the-top fabrication, but the information you provide.
Other channels primarily go over the driving aspect itself, or overall build of a car, but very few have gone into detail of setting up an existing chassis and dealing with issues you wouldn't typically see in a dedicated racing chassis. Which is GREAT information for someone, like myself, that wants to get more serious about racing but only has basic hand-tools and mechanical knowledge.
"And I'm just not comfortable with that....yet" - thats the spirit!!!=))
An extra like just for the profile name 😉
I was expecting a "But he is" instead of the "yet", but I'll take it!
This might be the best content on youtube right now. This series is so incredibly entertaining! And I'm learning tons about racing, shows you how much of a pleb I am I guess 😂 I can't wait to see more.
I don't understand why they don't have a million subs and counting- they are awesome! I'm a "Murican hot rodder and I am learning a lot just watching them! I've "built a few cars" but nothing like Mr, Blackhurst and Mr. Brunning! When finished, Binky might weigh something like 2500 lbs; only about 95 lbs of it will be from the original car.
Next week, supercharger disguised as an alternator 🤔
Oh and you’re finished after 6 pumps? 😂
Six pump chumps!
After salvaging a Toyota Celcia for the Binky, I guess they are honoring the 90s Toyota WRC team legacy in racing.
Given the engine power, using the starter would provide a nice boost
@@gazfish would that make it a hybrid?
@@kingfishercomputing9497 Not if no one finds out...
Can isuggest you get to the next race early and leave PLENTY of time for scrutineering, because i suspect you're going to be in there for a while....... ;-)
I've heard that if you say Brackets 3 times, Nik Blackhurst appears
Only if you're standing in front of a mirror that is PERFECTLY level.
I'm trying this - it isn't working. Is someone closer to Nik doing this and interfering??
If I switch on my kettle he's usually there.
I heard something different. I heard that if you put a broken bracket under your pillow at night the next day you will mysteriously have a new and much improved bracket under your pillow together with a bag of thea and some biscuits.
brackets mmmmm
That not-a-swaybar is the best rule bending-esque thing I've seen! Reading the rulebook, It never crossed my mind to wrap something around it
yeah realistically a piece of box section with some big jubilees would probably do it xD
"Far from optimal" front suspension. Is that really what Nik said?
looks like shite to me.
No, that is not what he said...Go to 12:26, turn the sound off and read lips.
That was the best gag in the episode. Brilliant.
No. No, it's very VERY definitely not what he said. Unless "far from optimal" has 4 letters and just the one syllable.
Google can demonetize your video and it translates voice, but it doesn't read lips yet.
This was absolutely hilarious, and brilliant. “Far from optimal”. Best voice over ever.
4 less pumps for the same stiffness...
Sounds dangerously like those emails I keep getting
haha :)
They're starting to make sense now!
The emails, not BOM. They never make sense.
Not just me then.
was wondering do females also receive those...
or do they get silicon recommendations? :/
@@g60force Having not had a female brave enough to admit to receiving such 'offers', I really don't know! :-O
11:21
Wasn't expecting HAL to pay a visit. Very nice touch.
Me neither!
Funny thing is these guys would have been in diapers when the movie Space Oddity 2001 came out so the influence is likely from late night movie tv from the late 70's or early 80's.
@@edpoell2876 I think I wasn't even planned when this film came out, still I instantly recognized this interface. And I haven't seen the film, either - just some clips here and there. This film was quite influential and iconic when it came out (and way beyond that point).
@@Timberwolf69 Stanley Kubrick's works will probably live beyond another 70 years for his pure genius instilled into the art he created. His movies when released became time stamps on my life that I relate to the current events surrounding each piece. I shouldn't be so surprised to see younger people relating to individual scenes from his masterpieces.
12:39 - I heard "far from optimal", I saw something else 😆
I thought I was seeing things!! lol
Hahaha how the F did u notice that 🤣
Sounds like 'clucking chit'
Guys it's wonderful to have you magically appear on the channel each week with all the hard work you're having to put in. I can't go without saying that your production and editing just gets better and better and the continuity is spot on, unlike WD and car SOS. Brilliant, well done.
Thank you very much Malcolm.
I was wondering when the "2nd is just 1st place for losers" line would show up. It did not make me wait.
EDIT: after watching the episode, suddenly a lot of stuff I already knew about chassis stiffness and alignment suddenly fell into place and my understanding of them skyrocketed. Thank you.
I second this comment
👍👍👍😜🏴🦄🎣😁🤞✌️
I recently sat with a friend/college on a train going from my job as an engineer on a ship (or I would never travel by train as it gives me 10 new strains of SARS and an even greater dislike for the human race).
An automated announcement kindly reminded everyone onboard that we were not allowed to consume our own alcohol onboard the train.
My immediate thought was "They never said anything about someone else's alcohol" and immediately suggested to my college that we should swap bottles.
I have a feeling this sort of anarchist thinking is exactly what you do as well, having watched this episode.
Colleague*
Lol
@@mwilliamshs #pedant :)
Benidorm , season 3 episode 1 - You know what i'm talking about !!!!!
Love your comment
👍 👍 👍 😜 🏴 🦄 🎣 😁 🤞 ✌️
I think you guys have done a great service to the mental health of UK petrolheads by helping making the lockdowns more bearable. Keep up the good work!
Was it Colin Chapman who said that "Rule books are for the obedience of fools and the interpretation of wise men"? :) Love your work boys - looking forward to the next installment.
Well actually it was Harry Day, Royal Flying Corps, allegedly. But either works.
Chapman was never a fan of the rulebook, which is why he was only saved from serving 10 years at her Majesty's pleasure by virtue of dying.
First place driver probably did it last time lol
Love this!!
Noice quote! ... I did some googling and it appears to be from ole Mr Tin Legs ... which is kinda how he ended up with those prosthesis. www.reddit.com/r/quotes/comments/2wd8ck/rules_are_for_the_obedience_of_fools_and_the/ www.goodreads.com/quotes/48888-rules-are-for-the-obedience-of-fools-and-the-guidance
"Bargain Racement - puts in a dash that's (with all the components) more than one and a half the cost oft the base car. I love that down the rabbit hole approach.
Tech inspector - "what's that?"
Nick - "a safety bracket."
Tech inspector- "and this?"
Nick - " another safety bracket"
tech - "and that?"
*nick blinks at him like stan laurel*
Tech @Croft Circuit- "whats that on the axel brace?"
Nick - "Safety Thats to improve the integrety of the steel, french steel isnt as good as sheffields.
Soon enough they'll be adding safety turbos like on Skid Factory...
The ghost of Smokey Yunick sends his regards...
I would have given anything to be there when he threw the gas tank in the back of the car and the proceeded to drive off down the pits. He was a genius. Of course, he has plenty of disciples in modern NASCAR. Or just about any racing I would guess.
Next video the boys make a 7/8ths scale Citroen C1
@@truthseeker8483 I was hoping someone else would mention that...
@@MishraArtificer The Smokey Yunick story is a wonderful one..I also like the one about how he lowered the whole car body on the floorpan to lower the centre of gravity.
@@truthseeker8483 I think the story of making the motor run backwards was probably best...but they're all good.
When you plugged the screen in would of been really funny if Holly from red dwarf came on and said orite dudes
Lol I was indeed expecting Holly on the second boot-up attempt.
"Morning dudes, what's happenin'?"
*Have
@Jim The Raspberry Have course it would of.
Good idea haha
The queeg
This is, without a bit of doubt, one of the best racecar related videos i have ever seen. Everything is perfectly explained, nicely done; no questionable methods, no giant egos or clickbait.
You are now my favourite car themed channel. Keep it up!
Thank you very much.
When are we getting the "Far From Optimal" merch?
This was a fun episode, lots to learn. Some of it a bit too quick for me, but there's loads that you've covered that I don't know about innit.
I would love that tbh
Yeesss!
PUH-LEEEEEEEEZE!
This must have been the most amazing video of the series for me, the ingenuity of Nik made me smile and say 'oh you mad scientist you'
Seeing him try to work around the limits is amazing
Something tells me that weight box is going to be put to use 😄
Did not expect you to love this!
Makes me think of the 'grey area' that BMW explored in DTM (iirc) many years ago, where what looked a lot like a ballast box with brake lines passing through, turned out to have a pendulum operated lateral brake proportioning valve in. BMW argued that as it was 'passive and reactive' it didn't count as 'active brake balance'. They lost the argument, but it was a clever try.
Can they fit lighter wheels, a lighter flywheel, and lighter pulleys in the weight box? Idk, asking for a friend
i really wasnt expecting to see one of my fav mtb channels in the comments of one of my fav car channels
BC wow good to see u man
Even though the track conditions had also improved you could see far less wrestling and adjusted input with the steering after your undefined modifications were fitted. Excellent work as always guys!
I was noticing that too. The car is way more "balanced" and precise...
Yes, his hands were noticeably slower.
6 weekly videos in a row from BOM?! That has to be a new Guinness world record! 😂😁
And they will go on... Seeya next week. :)
I am an American serviceman who was fortunate enough to be stationed in England at one point during my career. Thank you to your countrymen for their incredible hospitality and thank you for your mechanical enlightenment and funk-tified entertainment! Love your segments!
Thomas Keck
Hopefully your wife didn't kill some poor sod then bugger off back home !
As soon as Richard said "Our rule SPECIFICALLY states, no modification and ABSOLUTELY no welding" I knew its going the "DTM Volvo cheat" way. If you can´t weld, just glue and bolt it together.
Project binky is a superb wonder of ingenuity but this series is just as great. I'm learning a lot. BOM for the win!
Please film scrutineering !
2 seconds taken off the lap time, but 30 minutes added to the scrutineering time!
Thanks for getting the funk out. Been missing the funk since Binky hasn't been around.
I was thoroughly enjoying this series, patiently waiting for Binky. Up until now. This nugget just got binkynteresting. Hell yeah!
This is the first time I've watched with my 1 year old daughter and, it turns out, she LOVES the funk!
CBeebies is missing a trick ere because my two year old loves watching this with me also. They could be the new chuckle brothers. Tea me tea you
Would love to know abit more about you two! Your history with cars/fab/mechanics.. two seriously switched on blokes. Be a great series's for tv i think!!! 👍👍
Well, to me, this here is way better than any TV show can be...
If you haven't heard it already, there's an American podcast called 'Crossthreaded', the boys appear on this and briefly outline their history ;)
@@ryandavies5063 brilliant thanks for that!? Is it on RUclips or spotify? Thanks again!
Found this series purely by accident! I've now just sat & watched every episode! More! I need more content! I love the sense of humour, the how to guides & seeing the racing. Fingers crossed I can get to a circuit in 2021 to watch you guys!
LOVE IT!
index the spark plugs.
I absolutely love the fact you didn't just go like "meh, if we can't weld onto the chassis, it's not even worth it to try with brackets and screws" and did it. It was really good seeing you testing it somehow too, scientifically with the jack, and not just say "yeah, we bolted them together, it's better, bye". Really my kind of entertainment these parts are!
You boys are spoiling us with these weekly episodes..... not complaining at all 😋. Awesome episode chaps. Keep it coming 😋😂
I was part of a race team for supermono racing (motorcycles). We didnt have a single unmodified bolt on the bike, they were all modified to shave as much weight as possible. Seeing that bolt being modified brought back memories.
This was one of the best and most informative videos you have ever done. Analyzing the rules and working around them is something I have wanted to explore for decades.
Nicks roll cage “safety improvements” are GENIUS!
This series is an inspiration and an invaluable knowledge source. And when I say an inspiration, I really mean it. It determined me to go on and buy a Toyota Yaris T Sport to turn into a light racer. A lot of the suspension tricks you guys do (or don't, due to rules) is stuff that I can easily apply to the ToYoda. Can't wait for the next episode!
I met a guy who was a tech inspector for the spec Honda Civic series over here in Canada many years ago. As I too love to read & study the rule book to figure out every angle to gain an edge, I was interested to hear what this gentleman had to say about what competitors did to "skirt" the rules. One thing I remember is that they artificially aged the strut caps with ozone ( don't ask how this was done, but this is what I was told). The original rubber in the strut caps would get very hard, reducing the the "give" & therefore making the suspension more predictable. Another trick they did was to pack their shocks in dry ice & swap them out right before a session. The shocks would get much stiffer for several laps, which would give you an initial advantage. I'm very curious how your current mods will change your lap times & race standings. Love the channel & all of your endeavors.
Er, Nick... you are an evil genius! A terrifying sense of admiration has crept over me!!
Here in the States in SCCA Club Racing we refer to your rules reading as “IIDSYCYC”, which is “If It Doesn’t Say You Can You Can’t.” However, most don’t realize the corollary to that is “IIDSYCYBWS”, which means “If It Doesn’t Say You Can’t You Bloody Well Should.”
Welcome to the development cycle of racing. In a tight rules controlled series (here it would be Spec Miata, where I race) one spends all of one’s time exploring the grey areas and maximizing car set up and prep.
Two seconds is quite a lot, congrats on the result!
I've always been quite proud of two seconds.
Thats what she said lol
Two seconds around Anglesey is a great gain - that’s a short lap.
Entirely possible that most of that gain was just track knowledge though, since it was his first time at this track. Anglesey for me is a track which takes a long time to learn properly due to a few blind crests and corners that throw you off a bit.
It would have been a good back-to-back test to reverse the mods back to the starting point, and see what lap speed they get, having had more practice, and on a dryer track
The Dutch volvo 360 cup used to allow you to drill holes further out on the subframe to gain some negative camber. That's not welding now is it.. They also allowed welding a washer on afterward to make it safe, but I just thought I'd put this out there. You're a creative lot.
26:00 Thanks for the recipe!!! All those tea breaks with binky, almost run out of biscuits!
Also beautiful track, reminds me of Phillip Island GP circuit.
Dang!! I was going to mention Phillip Island...
It might be a beautiful track to drivers, perhaps even to race engineers and traveling rabbits... but it does not comes across form the video. Like watching early PC flight simulators :)
The rest of the video is high class though, so all good ;)
@@mumblbeebee6546 I guess they would have had to install a camera in the bonnet...
@@Timberwolf69 Did not mean to have a go at their camera placement (although admit that I am a bit spoilt from some gorgeous angles from F1 over the decades...) - it was more about the bits of track we could see, from left to right: green, grey, green. Some tracks have some distractions here or there (which may well make them less great to drive on? Never tried it myself, living vicariously through others :)
@@mumblbeebee6546 I guess most of us are a bit spoiled from what several motorsport brands gave us to admire... :)
Those in-car-camera shots usually tend to be a bit tricky, due to the difference in brightness. Most cameras of affordable price are a little bit overtaxed with that task.
I haven't found myself able to get on a racetrack, either. Besides some digital (more arcade-y) racing, I have to rely on others to share their experience with me...
There has been a terrific amount of brackets being produced during this episode!
I particularly liked the ones which bolted into the original seat belt mountings and onto the roll cage and the one which closed in the rear axle, masterpieces of design and fabrication artistry!
"Washer of indeterminate thickness." Is this a D&D character?
Love reading the comments as they are clever and funny like the 2 fellas running this channel. This is by far the best car channel on youtube where you can't watch an episode without learning something new! Can't wait to see the progress on the mini and excargot😉
I will always remember this track for Chris Harris' hoonage of the F40 & F50. Such a beautiful scenery for a racetrack.
PS: My first thought to not welding "Well... Bracket time....?!" - not disappointed at all.
I have never seen a smile anything like that sported by Richard after the first race on anyone playing a computer game, so point proven. In the interest of science, there can never be too much 'research'. Keep up the good work guys
Nick's more cunning than a fox with a degree in cunning from cunning university
It's cunning knowledge
...in Cunnninghamshire.
Nik has a plan so cunning you could brush your teeth with it!
He's had experience of many cunning stunts...
@@chriswedgwood9673 Certainly some cunning stunts by two stunning er #unts?
I've gotta say how you explain the mods is fantastic; clear, funny of course and insightful. It makes this the best behind the scenes race series on YT.
"So, by using science, we can say that the shell is now nearly 4 stiffer" XD
Thanks for all the entertaining video's. You all make me smile so much dimples appear!
You are the reason why I'm in this RUclips channel business !!! thank you very much for another awesome video 🥰🥰🥰👍
Your brilliant thinking in the gray area of the rules and working around it to improve the car! The one who is best at it wins!
I just love it when he says:
"So join us next week..."
Almost reaching Toyota levels of ingenious rule interpretation, I love it.
That bump steer limiter was basically what they did on the Chevy Corvair. Had to fabricate something similar on a Renault 9 that, in its old age, apparently had a habit of stressing the front engine mount. A set of eyelets were crimped onto a length of high-strength steel cable to act as a limiter.
Look like you need the Escargo...
Brilliant, you guys never cease to amaze, and it's out of the box thinking that moves racing ahead, well done rebels well done.
Aaand we got the funk out, the noise, and brackets. I'm a happy bunny now.
I loved that smooth "far from optimal" voiceover on what you've originally said Nik :) That's a nice touch mate :)
Nice one, rules are made to be tested, it's just a case of finding how far they bend until you hit that yield point.
The rear axle isn’t going to bend so much anymore ;)
Loving this series... especially the "join us next week" bit. Still cant believe it... expecting to wait 3 years and 4 days for the next episode like Binky but no! It really is next week!!!! WOW!
Ah hahahahah... the moment the rules were being read I was thinking 'nothing mentioned about bolted bracing'. Spot on!
Also, 'far from optimal'? I can read your lips ;)
It's those little humorous touches that really makes this channel for me :D
i was gonna mention Bump steer and you guys are already on point!
i went crazy with mine and spend hours and hours chasing a near perfect 0.002in of bump on complete suspension travel.
it makes a pretty dramatic increase in front end grip and steering feel.
The funk is back. Gotta love some brackets
One thing you can do to stiffen a chassis (depending on the wording of the regulations ) is to spray some closed cell fire retardant construction foam into every suitable cavity. You can even make some suitable cavities by riveting some aluminium sheet to the floor and ceiling with a gap of about half an inch between and spraying the foam in between.
It has the added benefit of heat shielding and sound deadening for very little weight gain.
Doing this can make a floppy sock as stiff as a board.
What a pleasant surprise. Just in time to sit down and watch with a beer and the burger I’ve made.
Absolutely love the way you guys continually think outside the box. “Don’t break the rules, just bend them to suit.”
“It’s not about what the rules say, it’s about what they DON’T say.”
To get more power put a glass of petrol in the oil to go faster. If you put a belt to hold the front wheels up and not let them push up when you are cornering is as good as an anti roll bar.
"No-one wants a scratched helmet...."
*dying laughing*
It's never fun scratching your helmet.
I started on a project car of my own. Nothing to the extent of Binky, however, it does have some brackets that are showing what a life living near the coast in a former ownership looked like.
Once i removed the engine to get it disassembled to be inspected and rebuilt, I got to work refinishing the brackets.
Strangely, as I was putting a wirewheel attachment to my drill... I heard a faint whisper from Nik "Lets make new ones", so like any logical person, I made new brackets.
As I was making the new brackets with my cutting wheel and making 90 degree bends using the bench vice, I could feel the warm yet ghostly feeling of Nik's hands gliding over mine and guiding me to bracket perfection. As if it was the pottery scene from Ghost.
Hal: I'm afraid you cannot do that
Nik & Richard: Already have
This channel is among the finest on youtube!
11:20 lmao that was excellent, did not see that coming. I can't let you do that, Dave.
Exactly - believe not many knew what it was!
@@leifvejby8023 Even though a lot of this icon is to be found all over YT...
I haven't seen the movie, yet still instantly recognized this... erm, interface.
@@Timberwolf69 The book isn't bad either, but watch the movie first
Chaps this is the best thing on RUclips right now. Bravo.
"I need a simple bracket" -> gets a bracket that could probably go to the moon and back.
This is such an informative build, I've learned so much about rules, handling geometry of steering etc. Really a nice track, makes me want to visit the UK....maybe.
"Far from optimal"
LMFAO
Yay, the Funk is back! Thanks guys!
ABom79 just had a heart attack seeing that hole saw on the lathe.
"Turning the car in to a ball of snot!" That is a classic prodrive term which has been taken by me alone to many places. Love it! Couldn't tell you where it originated from but that's the first place I heard it. By the way, great series boys! Look forward to it every week now! 👌
Does your merchandise include "Get the funk out CD 's"?
Seeing you guys working hard, being creative, struggling, succeeding is about 10 times more exciting than watching F1. Its also very inspiring!
Putting the secret sauce on RUclips? You are either hoping the other competitors do not watch your channel or, you are hoping for some much closer racing. Myself, I am up for watching the second option 😎
or maybe the race was today and they'll publish the video of the race next week
They can also sell a 1500 pound Blinky kit of the mods,to the other competitors.
@@Galerak1 As far as I understand what they said in this video series, most of this has taken place some time ago, in the summer.
Very impressed with all the little tweets. Hope they all pass scrutinizing. Look forward to next week's video.
Evidently there's one noodle who's mission in life is to "dislike" every youtube video no matter. What a glorious existence! Love this episode btw!
Thinking about someone known, like soaringtractor?
Its the ghost of the celica gt4 complaining about the lack of castrol livery
It's safe to assume, then, that you "Like" _every_ video on RUclips, yes?
@@nickturner2813 No but what's not to like about this video?
Forgive me but this model of car is one of the most beautiful designs. given the budget, the designers did such a good job.