I firmly believe Norway is the driving force behind this "new light." Nothing like losing government money that encourages a different interpretation of the same scriptures.
Mark Sanderson, 50 year old virgin, institutionalized with no “real” life experience. Not married, no children. So glad he is the one giving us guidance on how to live a successful life.
It is not Bro Sanderson giving us guidance from his personal life experience but rather from Jehovah God through his written word. It is not difficult to confirm what Bro Sanderson says against the word of God [ which is what we all should be doing rather than trust in a lie]. Of course, we would have to know what the bible teaches.
I think you may be correct. In the movie "The Prodigal Returns" bad news Al's friend mentioned the bible doesn't put them in good light. I never saw anything wrong with them in the first place. It's not like people are going to cut others heads off like the two birthday's mentioned. It's ridicules.
They’ve been doing this with their blue and yellow ties, purple ties, and I think blue and white. I think they’ve been nodding to many authorities they’ve wanted to appease…
I believe all the changes will cause more division among the JW's. Besides, not all congregations will carry out the change too. I like the talking format among the both of you. It is always nice to have another POV.
Yes, yes, yes, we want more of both of y'all! You each have a unique take on things. Also, thank you so much for covering this particular topic, bc let's be honest, it rocked worlds, both inside and outside of the cult.
Keep up the good work, you're helping people for real! Much luv from Italy!❤❤❤ Btw, the last two days were bonkers, with all the news, and the leaked letter to the elders!
It is nice to have Jared on when you think it best suits the content. Y’all make a great team! June does a beautiful job by her self too! She is a natural, confident communicator! ❤
I enjoyed your video, and like the way you had it: With you both discussing in casual format. It also flowed nicely, and had a good brain storming element to address the reasons. It’s nice to show all sides, which looks like you were trying to do. Great video June and Jared👍😀
To me its actually them trying to tell you how to raise your kids. They want to keep full grown adults in a perpetual childlike state. So basically the husband is not head of his household, the organization is.
@19:46 yeah they want the parents involved to cut down on the liability. It'll probably have an unintended side-effect of them being able to "prove" that they don't separate children from their parents at any time, which is usually their argument in cases of CSA. It won't work, as we still have evidence to the contrary, but it's something to consider. Good to see June and Jared on camera together for this one :)
They are always looking for the 'out' with regards to being held accountable for anything by law! It's disgusting! And thank you Darth! Enjoyed your video as well, especially the opening! 😂
There are scant details on much of this, but the vibe I'm getting is that, save for apostates or those that express zero remorse for serious sin (by the WT definition), disfellowshipping will be a thing of the past. They are under too much pressure to reform.
No yoga pants, no athleisure pants. Hillary Clinton pants, women's business trousers. I am delighted at the idea that a sister might wean a pair of slacks that show a camel toe. Man, oh man, to watch the elders and their wives stroke out over that.
Hmmm, my comment was removed. Dignified trousers would exclude yoga pants, athleisure wear, torn jeans, etc. Dignified probably means professional trousers befitting a female Secretary of State, CEO, etc.
Yup Andie! I noticed the SAME thing!!! They needed him outa there to move forward with getting more mainstream and blending in better... Which he was old-school and wanted to remain 'different' and 'no part of the world' and that wasn't good for business 💸💸💸
I’m usually late to the party but holy mackerel ! This has to be a desperation move. How long did it take Geoff (or Mark?) to grow that beard? I thought the beard ban just happened. Ah well . . . I guess The Chariot is going in the right direction. Btw, June, you really look good and I love the beautiful colors on your tatt.
Thank you, I appreciate that so much! And yes! The GB is as sneaky as sh*t with adding the parents into the mix with the judicial stuff, takes all kinds of pressure off them legally! 🤬
No, I got the tattoos after I left, I had always wanted tattoos since I was a kid. I love all kinds of art! And thank you, we really enjoy being together and I agree, he brings out things I don't always catch! 😉💗
Love this type of video! My dad texted me telling me to watch it and told me that “we must be close to the end!”…. Idk how this means we are close to the end. And how on earth is it okay to give us such rigid instructions on what to wear and when??? Cult! Cult! Cult! But every brainwashed person in is going to” wow such a loving provision!” Yah sure…. On another note the whole beard thing pisses me off. Before we left my husband had a beard because his skin gets so irritated from shaving and everyone harped on him and gave him dirty looks. But now that the old men say it’s okay everything is supposed to be fine now and everyone is growing one. So infuriating. Also love your tattoos! I love tattoos and finally got some for myself. It’s amazing finally being able to look how I want.
It's absolutely ridiculous that ppl can't see that these are man made rules... That are constantly in flux... And thank you! I love all art and I've wanted tattoos since I was little, once I woke up, one of the first things I did!!! 😂💗
What are they doing baptising minors? One young Elder's daughter of 5 years of age in America 2023 District Convention? How is that following Jesus example of at least 29 years of age when He was baptised. 😮 In our Congregation in 2022 a 9 year old Elder's son was baptised then louded as an adult!!! 😮 one cannot make this shit up!!! Where is the scriptural support for baptising children found in the scriptures? One would think we would have seen this example with John the Baptiser found in the scriptures but we do not find this as an example.
I appreciate you for bringing to light the evil behind the JW. I believe that truth is attainable when you study the scripture in correct context. I am a Christian, I worship with the church of Christ. We simply follow the account on the day of Pentecost in acts chapter 2. Each Sunday we have a sermon, sing , pray and partake of the Lord supper to commemorate the death of Jesus. And we give. The New Testament church of the Bible is simple. You can gather under a tree and and do all the acts of worship mentioned above! I am praying for your family to find healing and a new hope in Jesus ❤ ( I updated my comment, and am sorry for my previous comment on your current beliefs! I have not walked in your shoes. I am sorry if I came across wrong. Love you both 😊
Darn! At the end you say maybe not as much June &Jared together videos…I hope you’ll make more together! Like I said below: You guys just “flowed” in a common sense convo, which I really think that not only exjdubs will find refreshing, but the Jdubs who are starting to get the “red flag” feelings…will find you guys too “normal” to put the JW icky terrible “monster” stereotype or stigma that JWs are totally programmed to believe. So hope you’ll do more together! Both ways are great still, though! 🫶🫶
How about the Governing Body repenting? Apologising for all the CSA and actually cooperating with the authorities put over them by God as a protection?😮 you are correct, their is no mercy but as usual they know they can talk their way through it with most of the 8.5 million Cult followers! Which is unfortunate. But something we have to pay attention to is in the last 10 years at least, Elder's in their 20's have been taking over leadership roles in the Congregations world wide! And they are a new breed of heartless, non empathetic, merciless, Elders you will ever experience or see. They are the opposite of Jesus, and the photo copy of the Pharisees Jesus faced in the 1st century! Maybe even worse! 😮😢
It's sad they are appointing these young men so early, the 'power' goes to there head... Then they see the examples of the GB that doesn't apologize for anything... It's a disaster in the making.
"Wants us to repent" sure Mr. Sanderson.... Have Mr. Winder retract his "Nor is an apology needed". Apostates... Well there's a difference when it comes to bringing awareness about things that are mentioned outside of the JW official website, or having a difference of opinion. Not one at the EXJW meet up I was at last weekend was trying to force me to leave (before my time) or promote wrong conduct to me. They were more curious about me and my background which I gave in further detail than on the live streams, and understood why I'm currently PIMO (for the moment) despite how frustrated I am being one. Plus it's not a crime unlike those who committed these heinous crimes against children or those who covered it up (which in my opinion is also a sharer of their sins /crime). "You know it's a cult when you try to leave" That explains why there's so many PIMO's out there. First thing I was asked at a funeral a while back was "What's your current status?" (Oh nice to see you too). I told my mother how mainstream the organization is becoming (especially the dress), but she didn't have a comment but mentioned about the subject of mercy.
@@SanDiegoPIMO ohhhh, don't even get me started... I was fuming, I felt so bad for Joe and Fran, I know that's not what they were getting after... Politics was nothing they were trying to talk about. They were getting after what is your power within that motivates you now that Watchtower isn't the power behind your actions... But I digress. 😒 Thanks San Diego!!! 💗
@@JustDeannaJune They cut the show off early unfortunately. Well if the individual goes back, hopefully he'll keep it away (as well as everyone else) from that subject. I was telling Stef (and Joe and Fran via email) I wanted to do my own travel and do the things I wanted to do when I was younger. I'll have to let you know incase I'm in your area. That would be fun to meet you and Jared (maybe Martin and Jennifer too).
@@SanDiegoPIMO I'm not surprised, I really think they would do well to only let on 3 ppl at a time and only allow ppl to stay on for 20 minutes at a time. But it's not my live stream or my call. But that would be great! Jen and Martin are so sweet! They are only about 3 hours from us. Would be wonderful to connect! 🩷
1) I can’t take them seriously with the beards. My husband and I discussed, all these years we were told to remain separate from the world, all the assemblies and meetings making a big deal how JWs stand apart because of grooming and dress…well now people won’t be able to tell the difference between “worldly “ and JWs with pants, beards and so on
I have heard rumors that the reason they are "blending in" to the world is so that as persecution becomes more intense 🙄 they won't be able to pick out the JWs as easily... 🙄🙄🙄 My eyes are caught in the back of my head from all the eye rolls!!!!
@@gamom1 they love to make things sound like it's all for a "good reason" when in reality it's because they are trying to distract members while all the drama of Norway and CSA scandals are brought to court and ppl are starting to actually get wind of things...
Mark Sanderson's presentation is front-loaded or prefaced with theme of divine mercy because no impartial auditor would conclude that these specious and trifling adjustments manifest genuine mercy. Mark Sanderson's dubious phrase "better reflect Jehovah's mercy" gave me pause...why doesn't the Governing Body simply emulate Jehovah's mercy instead of providing a pale diluted, and insubstantial reflection? About mercy, William Shakespeare famously said: "It is an attribute of God himself; And earthly power doth then show likest God's When mercy seasons justice." The Governing Body's display of mercy is too hypocritical to appear Godly.
I think this new df'ing policy is basically to eliminate the practice except for those that show no remorse. That's why the stress on mercy and meeting with the person more than once. If they get a glimmer of contrition, it will be a slap on the wrist. Disfellowshipping will be a rare occurance.
Socializing? Even waving, smiling, and winking is ok. They are so damn controlling! God is LOVE. They are disgusting. Glad I woke up because my mind is made up
I vote 'yes'; your helper did a great job. As far as the content of the video: these people have no idea what real mercy actually is. watching them makes me want to vomit.
I do not mean this in any type of disrespect ....I'm sorry but I believe you guys were duped by him on John 2.... If you will notice in John 2 he purposely did not read what the teaching is... The teaching that John 2 is talking about is anyone that comes to you preaching that Jesus did not come in the flesh.. The part that the JW's want to emphasize on is where it says anyone that does not "remain in the teaching of Christ"... When if you read the very next words it says anyone that does not bring "this" teaching... This teaching is quoted in the verses before verse 9... Which is about the Antichrist... Not about someone that disagrees with their religion and all of their false prophecies in false teaching... So John 2 is not talking about apostate in the way that JW's describe apostates.... Here's my next point... They're going to still uphold the shunning practice except for the idea that you can say hello to someone at a Kingdom Hall... And that's all... Unless their henchmen want to go and talk to them... There's a problem with this... They say that John 2 is describing apostates... So why use John 2 to still push an overall shunning for ones that they do not consider apostates? ... That is the only scripture that they have to push shunning... Even though they take it completely out of context... Because when Paul talks about kicking someone out he does not say to shun them... He says do not associate... There's a huge difference between shunning and not associating... I do not associate with two of my blood brothers... But I would never not say hello to him or even have a conversation with them... So how can they still justify the overall shunning if they admit.. even though they're wrong still on John 2... They admit that it has nothing to do with a regular sinner... That means that there's still going against scripture... Because Paul makes it clear that not everyone is to not associate with a sinner... In his second letter to Corinth he revisited where he had told them to kick the wicked dude out of the congregation... And he is telling them that the majority would be appropriate to not associate... That means it will be ones that we'll talk to him because he makes it clear he does not want the person to become over saddened... AKA to the point of suicide... 2 Corinthians 2: 5-11.. 5Now if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but in some measure-not to put it too severely-to all of you. 6For such a one, this punishment by the majority is enough, 7so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him. 9For this is why I wrote, that I might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything. 10Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive. Indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ, 11so that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.
These are really good points. Shunning is wrong on a human/ethical level, and then the basis they use from the Bible is completely misinterpreted. JWs are nothing if not consistent(ly incorrect) Thanks for this info 🙂
Since I woke from jw and read the Bible carefully, I rather ask where was MERCY in 1Sam. 15:3😮I thought animals didn’t inherit SIN! And most, how can a God not show mercy to babies! No wonder Lett said it’s enemies of god😢and what a joke this bearded GB saying changes are mercy😅
@@JustDeannaJune thx. I’m Catholic and I have a close friend who is JW elder. I need to let him know Catholics Beat JW with beards by 2000yrs. “Santa Claus the man with the fur on his jaws.” Cheech & Chong
The cash aspect (Norway and pending lawsuits) is probably the driving force,but-LoL-they've created a lose/lose situation with their remaing members! The young are leaving in droves and this beards and pants and rock and roll wont convince them to remain,whilst the older members are likely to leave in disgust at these changes!!
Gday Jean it was so good to see your husband Jarred with you , Nicole my beautiful pimi jw wife and I have a super loving marriage we celebrated our 26th wedding anniversary. We don't discuss religion with each other , I don't drink ,smoke ,take drugs ,gamble or pretend to believe in the Bible and I think we have a happier marriage since I left Jehovah out of my imagination. Her Jw friend ,said to her ,,Your husband sabotaged my Bible study by talking badly about Jehovah ,, I,m a zealous ex jw evangeliser.Nicole goes to meetings in a pants suit now , not to tight or they,ll split.. She said to me ,,You want me to leave Jehovah don't you? ,, I said ,,No ,I don't want you to lose your family and friends and be shunned, I just want to let you know why I dissociated,, She doesn't watch my videos ,she said my thumb nails look demonic .She has a medical directive with a question,, Is their anyone you don't want involved in your medical treatment? ? YES my husband Justin Porter,, She told me she,d divorce me if I ever give her a blood transfusion. One day I hope to change the title of my you tube channel to Justin and Nicole Porter ex jws and she can host the show.❤
You are a good husband!!! And I hope one day your channel has that name too, actually I hope one day soon none of these channels are needed any longer! 💗
I love seeing a unified married couple sharing the real truth about “the truth”.
I firmly believe Norway is the driving force behind this "new light." Nothing like losing government money that encourages a different interpretation of the same scriptures.
Couldn't agree more!!! 😉
Mark Sanderson, 50 year old virgin, institutionalized with no “real” life experience. Not married, no children. So glad he is the one giving us guidance on how to live a successful life.
I heard no one on the GB is allowed to have kids? Married or not
Interesting 🤔
Lol! How true!!! 😂
Only God knows his virginity 😇 situation.
It is not Bro Sanderson giving us guidance from his personal life experience but rather from Jehovah God through his written word. It is not difficult to confirm what Bro Sanderson says against the word of God [ which is what we all should be doing rather than trust in a lie]. Of course, we would have to know what the bible teaches.
The only thing the GB has to say is: we quit, you all are free 💯 and enjoy life as you please...we will never curb you anymore ❤
No coats, ties, dresses, required and pants for the ladies? I guess the GB doesn’t think that Jehovah deserves the very best anymore.
Nice to meet you Jared, thank you for joining June. I love watching you guys together making videos. 🙂🫂🫂
I heard the next change is JW start celebrating own birthdays. That be a shock too for active JW.
I heard the same thing, let's wait and see... 🤔🤫😆
I think you may be correct. In the movie "The Prodigal Returns" bad news Al's friend mentioned the bible doesn't put them in good light. I never saw anything wrong with them in the first place. It's not like people are going to cut others heads off like the two birthday's mentioned. It's ridicules.
Yes, they are twisting the definition of apostate, as they do with most things.
Yes, loved your video together. So if you do want to do the video together!!
Sanderson praising Norway flag with that tie!!
👏👏👏to Norway!!!
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They’ve been doing this with their blue and yellow ties, purple ties, and I think blue and white. I think they’ve been nodding to many authorities they’ve wanted to appease…
Omg yes !!
I believe all the changes will cause more division among the JW's. Besides, not all congregations will carry out the change too. I like the talking format among the both of you. It is always nice to have another POV.
Excellent points. And thank you! We appreciate the feedback! ☺️
Totally unrelated but June you have lost so much weight. You look fantastic 🥰💐
I was thinking the same thing ❤
Awe, thank you! I got sober, started eating healthy and doing Yoga... Feeling amazing! ☺️💗
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Congrats 🎉
I agree with that they are trying to follow the Mormon business protocol
Both jW,s & Mormons losing members....
Yes, yes, yes, we want more of both of y'all! You each have a unique take on things. Also, thank you so much for covering this particular topic, bc let's be honest, it rocked worlds, both inside and outside of the cult.
Thank you Alisha! 😉 Always good to get your perspective! Hope you and the family are well!!! 😉💕
Excellent and serious cognitive points being made.
It’s great with both of you. Yes, would like to see more with both but also June by yourself and the interviews. Great content!
Thank you! I love getting everyone's input! 😉💕
June, you look so pretty. Thanks to you and yours for the informative video.
Thank you so much! 🩷
the most unmerciful religion just discovered the CONTEXT of mercy
Right!?!
Keep up the good work, you're helping people for real! Much luv from Italy!❤❤❤
Btw, the last two days were bonkers, with all the news, and the leaked letter to the elders!
Sending love from Pittsburgh PA USA back to you!!! 💗
I thought you stopped making videos, glad to see you back.
I did for a bit... Got sober, I did a video about it... I'm back 😉💗
Jeff from the service department!!!! Hilarious!!!
My hubs is pretty funny 🤣
Great video! Good to see you both on camera.
Loved you together and your honesty! ❤❤❤❤❤
Your tattoo looks beautiful! Show it off.
First time I’ve watched you guys … love it !!!
And spot on !!!!!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed and hope you return! 😉🩷
“God’s mercy” is the lame excuse to cover for the obvious… we’re losing members and funding.
You beat me to it. That is exactly what this is about.
Exactly Jonathan!!!
It is nice to have Jared on when you think it best suits the content. Y’all make a great team! June does a beautiful job by her self too! She is a natural, confident communicator! ❤
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I enjoyed your video, and like the way you had it: With you both discussing in casual format. It also flowed nicely, and had a good brain storming element to address the reasons. It’s nice to show all sides, which looks like you were trying to do. Great video June and Jared👍😀
Thank you, we enjoy getting everyone's input ☺️💗
I look forward to GB no.3 😊.... Very well covered you two...It came across well... You covered main ponts... Well done...
Thank you, looking forward to see what craziness is next 😳🤔😂
@@JustDeannaJune Crazy is the right word.. Absolutely crazy... Can't believe what they have become...
To me its actually them trying to tell you how to raise your kids. They want to keep full grown adults in a perpetual childlike state. So basically the husband is not head of his household, the organization is.
I always wore pants tucked into my boots with a skirt over it. Never went out in winter without pants under my shirt.
@19:46 yeah they want the parents involved to cut down on the liability. It'll probably have an unintended side-effect of them being able to "prove" that they don't separate children from their parents at any time, which is usually their argument in cases of CSA. It won't work, as we still have evidence to the contrary, but it's something to consider. Good to see June and Jared on camera together for this one :)
They are always looking for the 'out' with regards to being held accountable for anything by law! It's disgusting! And thank you Darth! Enjoyed your video as well, especially the opening! 😂
I think it will be more controlling! Confusion and disorienting for ones still in.
Whatever gets the word out. Great Job
Spot on analysis!
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So many changes! That's why Tony had to go!!
Too much for Tony Morris to digest!😅
Completely agree!!!
There are scant details on much of this, but the vibe I'm getting is that, save for apostates or those that express zero remorse for serious sin (by the WT definition), disfellowshipping will be a thing of the past. They are under too much pressure to reform.
What in the world does "dignified" pants mean? 🤣
You've got me! 😳😆
No yoga pants, no athleisure pants. Hillary Clinton pants, women's business trousers. I am delighted at the idea that a sister might wean a pair of slacks that show a camel toe. Man, oh man, to watch the elders and their wives stroke out over that.
That will create headaches for the local elders!
Hmmm, my comment was removed. Dignified trousers would exclude yoga pants, athleisure wear, torn jeans, etc. Dignified probably means professional trousers befitting a female Secretary of State, CEO, etc.
Dignified. Not tight.
So in Scotland are male members allowed to wear kilts when giving a part or in field ministry??🤔
LMAO 😂 I hope so! Well, I don't want anyone witnessing, but I want total freedom for everyone for sure!!! 😊
Notice how all of these changes are coming down after AMIII is no longer a member of the GB.
Yup Andie! I noticed the SAME thing!!! They needed him outa there to move forward with getting more mainstream and blending in better... Which he was old-school and wanted to remain 'different' and 'no part of the world' and that wasn't good for business 💸💸💸
You lost weight June. You guys look awesome live your best life
Thank you 😊
They're just protecting their ASSets!
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🤣🤣🤣 I'm still waiting on my lion that eats straw. Maybe one day.
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Was listing to 'rich men north of Richmond' and realized the headquarters is north of richmond..
"They want total control."
I’m usually late to the party but holy mackerel ! This has to be a desperation move. How long did it take Geoff (or Mark?) to grow that beard? I thought the beard ban just happened. Ah well . . . I guess The Chariot is going in the right direction. Btw, June, you really look good and I love the beautiful colors on your tatt.
I agree Jared, by making parents more authoritative in the judicial arena, it’s a hot potato of blame to lighten the liability of the org.
Thank you, I appreciate that so much! And yes! The GB is as sneaky as sh*t with adding the parents into the mix with the judicial stuff, takes all kinds of pressure off them legally! 🤬
So do JW’s allow tattoos now? 🤔 I actually enjoy having you and Jared bounce off each other 👍 he has really good insight!
She is no longer JW.
No, I got the tattoos after I left, I had always wanted tattoos since I was a kid. I love all kinds of art! And thank you, we really enjoy being together and I agree, he brings out things I don't always catch! 😉💗
Love this type of video! My dad texted me telling me to watch it and told me that “we must be close to the end!”…. Idk how this means we are close to the end. And how on earth is it okay to give us such rigid instructions on what to wear and when??? Cult! Cult! Cult! But every brainwashed person in is going to” wow such a loving provision!” Yah sure….
On another note the whole beard thing pisses me off. Before we left my husband had a beard because his skin gets so irritated from shaving and everyone harped on him and gave him dirty looks. But now that the old men say it’s okay everything is supposed to be fine now and everyone is growing one. So infuriating.
Also love your tattoos! I love tattoos and finally got some for myself. It’s amazing finally being able to look how I want.
It's absolutely ridiculous that ppl can't see that these are man made rules... That are constantly in flux... And thank you! I love all art and I've wanted tattoos since I was little, once I woke up, one of the first things I did!!! 😂💗
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What are they doing baptising minors? One young Elder's daughter of 5 years of age in America 2023 District Convention? How is that following Jesus example of at least 29 years of age when He was baptised. 😮 In our Congregation in 2022 a 9 year old Elder's son was baptised then louded as an adult!!! 😮 one cannot make this shit up!!! Where is the scriptural support for baptising children found in the scriptures? One would think we would have seen this example with John the Baptiser found in the scriptures but we do not find this as an example.
Baptism replaces circumcision.
Circumcision was done to babies
I totally agree, ppl are supposed to be footstep followers of Jesus: example, and he got baptized as a FULL GROWN MAN... 🤔
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Baptism is our entry into the family of God.
It’s for babies on up.
I appreciate you for bringing to light the evil behind the JW. I believe that truth is attainable when you study the scripture in correct context. I am a Christian, I worship with the church of Christ. We simply follow the account on the day of Pentecost in acts chapter 2.
Each Sunday we have a sermon, sing , pray and partake of the Lord supper to commemorate the death of Jesus. And we give. The New Testament church of the Bible is simple. You can gather under a tree and and do all the acts of worship mentioned above! I am praying for your family to find healing and a new hope in Jesus ❤ ( I updated my comment, and am sorry for my previous comment on your current beliefs! I have not walked in your shoes. I am sorry if I came across wrong. Love you both 😊
The funny thing is that they say they don't follow men, and let the governing body control even the clothes they wear!!!
Raymond franz was right
My pet lion? Where's thepanda😅😅😅😅
Darn! At the end you say maybe not as much June &Jared together videos…I hope you’ll make more together! Like I said below: You guys just “flowed” in a common sense convo, which I really think that not only exjdubs will find refreshing, but the Jdubs who are starting to get the “red flag” feelings…will find you guys too “normal” to put the JW icky terrible “monster” stereotype or stigma that JWs are totally programmed to believe. So hope you’ll do more together! Both ways are great still, though! 🫶🫶
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How about the Governing Body repenting? Apologising for all the CSA and actually cooperating with the authorities put over them by God as a protection?😮 you are correct, their is no mercy but as usual they know they can talk their way through it with most of the 8.5 million Cult followers! Which is unfortunate. But something we have to pay attention to is in the last 10 years at least, Elder's in their 20's have been taking over leadership roles in the Congregations world wide! And they are a new breed of heartless, non empathetic, merciless, Elders you will ever experience or see. They are the opposite of Jesus, and the photo copy of the Pharisees Jesus faced in the 1st century! Maybe even worse! 😮😢
It's sad they are appointing these young men so early, the 'power' goes to there head... Then they see the examples of the GB that doesn't apologize for anything... It's a disaster in the making.
"Wants us to repent" sure Mr. Sanderson.... Have Mr. Winder retract his "Nor is an apology needed".
Apostates... Well there's a difference when it comes to bringing awareness about things that are mentioned outside of the JW official website, or having a difference of opinion. Not one at the EXJW meet up I was at last weekend was trying to force me to leave (before my time) or promote wrong conduct to me. They were more curious about me and my background which I gave in further detail than on the live streams, and understood why I'm currently PIMO (for the moment) despite how frustrated I am being one. Plus it's not a crime unlike those who committed these heinous crimes against children or those who covered it up (which in my opinion is also a sharer of their sins /crime).
"You know it's a cult when you try to leave" That explains why there's so many PIMO's out there. First thing I was asked at a funeral a while back was "What's your current status?" (Oh nice to see you too).
I told my mother how mainstream the organization is becoming (especially the dress), but she didn't have a comment but mentioned about the subject of mercy.
Well said! And I agree! When I first started doubting and went to an ExJW meetup I encountered the same thing, just understanding and love... ☺️❤️
@@JustDeannaJune I was going to try and steer the subject matter tonight but I don't think that would have worked. lol.
@@SanDiegoPIMO ohhhh, don't even get me started... I was fuming, I felt so bad for Joe and Fran, I know that's not what they were getting after... Politics was nothing they were trying to talk about. They were getting after what is your power within that motivates you now that Watchtower isn't the power behind your actions... But I digress. 😒 Thanks San Diego!!! 💗
@@JustDeannaJune They cut the show off early unfortunately. Well if the individual goes back, hopefully he'll keep it away (as well as everyone else) from that subject.
I was telling Stef (and Joe and Fran via email) I wanted to do my own travel and do the things I wanted to do when I was younger. I'll have to let you know incase I'm in your area. That would be fun to meet you and Jared (maybe Martin and Jennifer too).
@@SanDiegoPIMO I'm not surprised, I really think they would do well to only let on 3 ppl at a time and only allow ppl to stay on for 20 minutes at a time. But it's not my live stream or my call. But that would be great! Jen and Martin are so sweet! They are only about 3 hours from us. Would be wonderful to connect! 🩷
1) I can’t take them seriously with the beards. My husband and I discussed, all these years we were told to remain separate from the world, all the assemblies and meetings making a big deal how JWs stand apart because of grooming and dress…well now people won’t be able to tell the difference between “worldly “ and JWs with pants, beards and so on
I have heard rumors that the reason they are "blending in" to the world is so that as persecution becomes more intense 🙄 they won't be able to pick out the JWs as easily... 🙄🙄🙄 My eyes are caught in the back of my head from all the eye rolls!!!!
@@JustDeannaJune hadn’t thought of that
@@gamom1 they love to make things sound like it's all for a "good reason" when in reality it's because they are trying to distract members while all the drama of Norway and CSA scandals are brought to court and ppl are starting to actually get wind of things...
@@JustDeannaJune I agree completely
Mark Sanderson's presentation is front-loaded or prefaced with theme of divine mercy because no impartial auditor would conclude that these specious and trifling adjustments manifest genuine mercy. Mark Sanderson's dubious phrase "better reflect Jehovah's mercy" gave me pause...why doesn't the Governing Body simply emulate Jehovah's mercy instead of providing a pale diluted, and insubstantial reflection? About mercy, William Shakespeare famously said: "It is an attribute of God himself; And earthly power doth then show likest God's When mercy seasons justice." The Governing Body's display of mercy is too hypocritical to appear Godly.
I think this new df'ing policy is basically to eliminate the practice except for those that show no remorse. That's why the stress on mercy and meeting with the person more than once. If they get a glimmer of contrition, it will be a slap on the wrist. Disfellowshipping will be a rare occurance.
@@simplifiedlife8607 could not agree more!!!
Socializing? Even waving, smiling, and winking is ok. They are so damn controlling! God is LOVE. They are disgusting. Glad I woke up because my mind is made up
I vote 'yes'; your helper did a great job. As far as the content of the video: these people have no idea what real mercy actually is. watching them makes me want to vomit.
Thank you Pat! And it's sooo sad! They really don't! 😔
I do not mean this in any type of disrespect ....I'm sorry but I believe you guys were duped by him on John 2.... If you will notice in John 2 he purposely did not read what the teaching is... The teaching that John 2 is talking about is anyone that comes to you preaching that Jesus did not come in the flesh..
The part that the JW's want to emphasize on is where it says anyone that does not "remain in the teaching of Christ"... When if you read the very next words it says anyone that does not bring "this" teaching... This teaching is quoted in the verses before verse 9... Which is about the Antichrist... Not about someone that disagrees with their religion and all of their false prophecies in false teaching... So John 2 is not talking about apostate in the way that JW's describe apostates....
Here's my next point... They're going to still uphold the shunning practice except for the idea that you can say hello to someone at a Kingdom Hall... And that's all... Unless their henchmen want to go and talk to them... There's a problem with this... They say that John 2 is describing apostates... So why use John 2 to still push an overall shunning for ones that they do not consider apostates? ... That is the only scripture that they have to push shunning... Even though they take it completely out of context... Because when Paul talks about kicking someone out he does not say to shun them... He says do not associate... There's a huge difference between shunning and not associating... I do not associate with two of my blood brothers... But I would never not say hello to him or even have a conversation with them...
So how can they still justify the overall shunning if they admit.. even though they're wrong still on John 2... They admit that it has nothing to do with a regular sinner... That means that there's still going against scripture... Because Paul makes it clear that not everyone is to not associate with a sinner... In his second letter to Corinth he revisited where he had told them to kick the wicked dude out of the congregation... And he is telling them that the majority would be appropriate to not associate... That means it will be ones that we'll talk to him because he makes it clear he does not want the person to become over saddened... AKA to the point of suicide...
2 Corinthians 2: 5-11..
5Now if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but in some measure-not to put it too severely-to all of you. 6For such a one, this punishment by the majority is enough, 7so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him. 9For this is why I wrote, that I might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything. 10Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive. Indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ, 11so that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.
These are really good points. Shunning is wrong on a human/ethical level, and then the basis they use from the Bible is completely misinterpreted. JWs are nothing if not consistent(ly incorrect)
Thanks for this info 🙂
Since I woke from jw and read the Bible carefully, I rather ask where was MERCY in 1Sam. 15:3😮I thought animals didn’t inherit SIN! And most, how can a God not show mercy to babies! No wonder Lett said it’s enemies of god😢and what a joke this bearded GB saying changes are mercy😅
Well said.
JW can have beards now ?
Oh yes!!! It was announced back in the fall.
@@JustDeannaJune thx. I’m
Catholic and I have a close friend who is
JW elder. I need to let him know Catholics
Beat JW with beards by 2000yrs.
“Santa Claus the man with the fur on his jaws.”
Cheech & Chong
Well you can marry outside JW and celebrate birthdays if you want. I think differ KH will follow old rules and oh yeah can smoke cigs too
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The cash aspect (Norway and pending lawsuits) is probably the driving force,but-LoL-they've created a lose/lose situation with their remaing members! The young are leaving in droves and this beards and pants and rock and roll wont convince them to remain,whilst the older members are likely to leave in disgust at these changes!!
I think you are right!
Gday Jean it was so good to see your husband Jarred with you , Nicole my beautiful pimi jw wife and I have a super loving marriage we celebrated our 26th wedding anniversary. We don't discuss religion with each other , I don't drink ,smoke ,take drugs ,gamble or pretend to believe in the Bible and I think we have a happier marriage since I left Jehovah out of my imagination. Her Jw friend ,said to her ,,Your husband sabotaged my Bible study by talking badly about Jehovah ,, I,m a zealous ex jw evangeliser.Nicole goes to meetings in a pants suit now , not to tight or they,ll split.. She said to me ,,You want me to leave Jehovah don't you? ,, I said ,,No ,I don't want you to lose your family and friends and be shunned, I just want to let you know why I dissociated,, She doesn't watch my videos ,she said my thumb nails look demonic .She has a medical directive with a question,, Is their anyone you don't want involved in your medical treatment? ? YES my husband Justin Porter,, She told me she,d divorce me if I ever give her a blood transfusion. One day I hope to change the title of my you tube channel to Justin and Nicole Porter ex jws and she can host the show.❤
You are a good husband!!! And I hope one day your channel has that name too, actually I hope one day soon none of these channels are needed any longer! 💗
what kills me is they think ppl are stupid suddenly they just discovered the CONTEXT of 2 john 9-11 for 100 yrs they didnt know the CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!!
So true and it's infuriating!!!!