Make a Monkey Out of Ken (feat. Gutsick Gibbon) - (Ken) Ham & AiG News
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Ken Ham and his team have a weekly "news" show, reacting to the news stories of the day from a Christian young-earth creation perspective from the Answers in Genesis staff at his Creation Museum.
Gutsick Gibbon (Erika) and I join Ken, Bodie, and Georgia as they discuss - Engineers design artificial cameranimals to study real animals; the Creation Museum unveils their new Lucy exhibit and more during Answers News, broadcast live from the Creation Museum.
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The original version of this video was blocked by the BBC for footage used in Ken Ham's original video. Rather than try to fight for Ken Ham's right to use it, I've made replacements in the spots where BBC complained and hopefully we're good to go. The bonus is that Erika will be able to join us in the live chat!
I really hope they went after AiG also and not just you. Sheesh
Edit: I was wrong.
Guys the New Testament Review Q&A with Laura Robinson is live in 2 hours.
I’m glad you didn’t fight for the right for Ken to paaarrrrttttaaasyyyy.
Apologies to the Beastie Boys.
Damn, and here I thought my time travel powers had finally activated.
Dude, way to turn a bad situation into a win. You're an inspiration.
Thanks so much for having me on Paul!
Quick correction, when showing the "apelings", I refer to the Taung child as a member of afarensis when it is africanus! Dikika is afarensis. Both are very similar but I misspoke. Just NERVOUS to be on Ham and Aigs I guess lol!
Gutsick Gibbon hey nice to meet you Are you new to RUclips? 😉
You were a great guest. Spending the rest of my night on your channel.
Ever since your first interview with Aron I've been glad to see you catching more and more appearing on other youtuber's channels. Glad to see you again o/
You did an amazing job, I learned an incredible amount.
I did a great job!
I like this guest host, she is very excited about the topic and extremely knowledgeable.
She recently got her PhD in the topic.
Erica is a brilliant young science content creator!
@@BenjaminSteber MRe not PhD
@@BenjaminSteber Damn! If so,that is news to me! Way to go Erika!
Gutsick Gibbon is fantastic, her channel is extremely informative.
😂 the people who try to convince you that bushes, serpents and donkeys can talk are warning people against anthropomorphizing
Every time I hear Ken Ham, I feel grateful that America took him off our (Australia's) hands. Sorry, Americans. But please feel free to keep him.
He can stay well away from the UK as well. No fly zone. I hear that New Zealand are like minded with Mr Comfort. 😂
How about we drop him off half way... swim call in the middle of the pacific maybe...
I had a hamster sing to me once. We were in the habit of singing to her, and one day she reciprocated. She sounded a little like a mouse, a little like a bird. 💗 I was lying on the floor playing with her; she climbed on top of me, went right up to my ear, and sang. It was actually really touching.
yeah rodents actually sing freely! Pet rodents might not because they're normally removed from their mum's too soon and don't get a real upbringing, but rats do the same! It's so cute!!!
That sounds devastatingly cute.
@@dangelangello8567 Rats are SO sweet and lovey. I haven't had them myself, but I've seen very friendly ones, including one who was obsessively in love with her human.
@ It was. 💗🐹
@@CandyHatsuneWolff Thank you. That was precious.
“is... a little uninformed. That’s kinda their brand.” Hahaha. That’s a good one. 😂
And it’s a small step from uninformed to uniformed
Gah, animals aren't stupid! I had a blue and gold macaw who understood words enough to curse people out when they made her mad, and she knew what popcorn was, my name and my brother's name, and once she was annoyed that we were eating dinner in the kitchen and ignoring her so she screamed FIRE! Then when I went in to see and she laughed (she was so smart that she had learned that humans laughed when they were amused).
Parrots put more effort into learning how to communicate with us than the vast majority of owners put in to communicate with their pets
“All I heard was that I’m allowed to throw sticks”
“Just wear safety googles”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The _like_ button is broken. I could only hit it once.
Very nice response
io hit dislike. i hate when there are guests
"It looks like you're trying to indoctrinate children"- well played, Paul!
My favorite young earth creationist lie is that it is easy to distinguish between “human kind” skulls and “ape kind” skulls. You don’t even have to leave creationist sources to debunk it. Different YEC organizations will categorize the same skull in different ways. In fact, AiG’s own Answers Research Journal has competing papers on whether a particular fossil specimen was an ape or a human, and both authors of these papers are YEC.
YES - This is a very important point and I'm surprised that they didn't mention it during this video.
The confusion is over the existence of a Hebrew god
who is not the author of confusion.
So why is there confusion if god is the author?
A bit more information on the gorillas "not sounding like they're singing."
What they're considering music is actually based on traits that are only found in westernized cultures. The octave scale may be the most common, but it's far from the only one. Different groups of people have more or less notes in their scales, and while they consider it beautiful, it's simply impossible to write using the same notation or played on the same instruments as ours, and we'd barely comprehend it as music even if we could.
The point I'm trying to make is that that Gorilla is singing something a heck of a lot closer to human music than Ham and Co. would ever care to know.
When you consider how much variation there is just in "western" music, and how just within that set are different genres that could be offensive to somebody within the west (say, between classical and rock, or western and rap), it goes without saying.
Lil Uzi Vert. I rest my case
I just watched a clip for PBS, and the adult male was actually singing a perfect 4th interval, (like the first 2 notes to Eine kleine Nachtmusik). I checked on my keyboard it was a F# down to a C#, and not far off our 12 equal temperament system. Bet they've been influenced by human music from the radio or something though. I wonder if
Yuri Wong will do a remix xD
I couldn't help but see huge issues with their claim "They are just growling" especially given the context where they were making implications that there is no "language" there. Guess that humming is not musical either then right after all there is no annunciation of the language information when humans hum as when we only include a simplified abstract of the underlying melody when humming a tune. Seems to me what they call growling is very much like humming with the only main difference I could hear being that the gorilla tune was several octaves lower than we humans typically compose our music around though this too seems exactly what you would expect given their larger size etc. Smaller resonant cavities amplify at higher frequencies than larger ones, we don't build chellos that size for the fun of it the size is intentional to give it the lower note than the smaller violin lower frequencies have longer wavelengths thus a larger cavity is needed to allow longer frequency waves to properly form and be amplified need enough space that the entire wavelength can exist without encountering a discontinuity of medium after all otherwise all you do is distort the wave entirely and expose it to out of phase reflections etc.
shakuhashi - it takes a life time to learn so the sooner you start the longer it takes.
When I was a "Creationist," I looked at a model cat skeleton at the vet's office, and noted how eerily similar our bone structure is, despite the obvious differences. You can point to that skeleton, and identify the same bones that a human has, just shaped differently. But looking at these "ape" skulls, let alone the rest of the skeleton, how could you NOT come to the conclusion that we're related to the rest of the apes? At the very minimum, God would have been working off of the same version 1.0 blueprints, they're just too similar!
Of course, once you remove God from the picture, everything makes sense.
I think it is cool that cat clavicles are detached from other bones. My cat probably thinks I am nuts when I try to find it
@@jamesparson Yeah, it's amazing how much flexibility that floating shoulder gives them. Of course, they can't brachiate, so there's a trade off.
@@BlackEpyon "brachiate". You just made me learn a new word. And a good at that. Thanks!
I'm a theist, and I believe in evolution. Theists who deny it are an embarrassment to us all.
Uh it obviously just shows a common dEsiGNer, listen to mr hovind sometime lol
Coco "tries various different signs and looks for cues from her keeper", sceptics say. But that, if you switch "keeper" for "parent", is a pretty fair description of early language learning in human children.
As I understand it, the issue is that it’s hard to tell if she understood and reasoned a response or used trial and error. I don’t mean trial and error to learn, I mean you can see footage of her throwing together a word salad looking for positive outcomes even late in her life. The problem is that the testimonies of people working with her are so negative (including abuse allegations victimizing her and keepers) and the actual data was not published. Keepers would just write claims about what she did and not provide methodology, hypotheses, or evidence we can test (say video of the interactions we can all analyse). Now there is some of all of this but not enough in the skeptics opinion.
@@davidbowman9917 I wasn't dismissing the whole sceptic argument, just raising a question about one aspect of it.
@@richardmooney383 It’s all good. I’m just adding some relevant detail.
The crazy part is that it’s essentially an argument of “her communication was cheated because she would wait for more subtle communication from her handlers to give her the answer” which is, itself, communication. You can’t cheat that. Ridiculous.
@scotthancock305
It's not about the ability to communicate, it's well understood that primates communicate, they have complex, social structures and interactions, after all.
It's specifically about the idea that these individual animals could use a human created and formalized, symbolic language, or sign language to communicate their inner thoughts, needs, and desires... And even _convey_ abstract concepts using our language.
And at no point is there anything approaching demonstrable evidence for the claims being asserted and implied.
Researchers today seem to be content to study the communication methods, and evidence of 'language' of other primates, in the context of the specific primates being observed, without the idea that the communication and 'language' use they've developed being a sort of rudimentary, less sophisticated version of ours, comparable to our young's.
I love that your video has almost 4 times the views of the one you are critiquing... and this is your second upload of it because the first one was taken down.
I think you might be winning, but who's keeping score?
He has won slready, because he doesn't have to lie, whereas Ken Ham and his ilk HAVE to lie. If they told the truth their arguments fall apart.
When we get the lost people, that fallen for that, back, than this is over.
Al Gore has Rhythm.
Hey rhino!
I think I understand why creationists focus on Lucy being the only representative. They work under the prediction that man originated from a single pair of humans. They can't fathom that there were thousands of individuals at once. They think Lucy is literally the evolution equivalent of Eve.
Fart is not a swear word. Not really.
I'm Australian.
Cunt isn't even a swear word in Australia.
kr00m
In England, cunt is a term of endearment
Agree. It's nothing more than a colloquialism.
I'm also Australian.
Also I apologise to the world for Ken Ham.
Evidence Matters 😂😆
@@1970Phoenix It's ok, I have to take some responsibility to being part of the country that is the perfect home for him.
I guess they’re going to hate it when they realize what birds can do lol
Bummed out that I missed the live chat. I can’t say thank you enough for all your videos. You’re videos are what started my journey of being honest with myself about what I believe and how I’ve always felt. I was raised in an extremely conservative Christian household and your videos have helped me be honest with myself and how I think beyond just what I was raised to think.
So glad you've found a way out, chase.
Ken Hamm sounds like a child weaving a story about his favorite “kinds” of animals. Lol!
No wonder he goes after young kids so much.
Ken showed me that a human brain wired to a voice box can speak with absolute authority
and make no sense to a thinking person.
Ken was a former science teacher
who decided to give up on science
and teach fairy tales to his students.
This is a sign that Yahweh does not care what happens.
Hey don't insult children!
She really IS a gifted communicator! Very fun listening to you both!
First, her voice is adorable. Second, I adore Kanzi...he's such a fascinating little ape
"Lucy... was an ape." At this point this infuriates me so much lmao
Well to be fair Lucy and all the other hominids that came after, including us are technically monkeys. Besides I’m sure the ape subspecies of ape was barely starting out back then
@@Mamorufumio His point is that it is falsely separated from humans on account of being an "ape".
I mean, she was an ape, just like you and me. It shouldn’t matter what these liars call her, we both know the reality.
@@laserfan17 yes, but... she certainly wasn't "just an ape", just like archaeopteryx isn't "just a bird", they straddle our definitions like thrillseeking daredevils, trying to cover up just how well they bridge any perceived gaps is unforgivable dishonesty
I get to watch it again!!
I always enjoy the amazingly intelligent and interesting guests has on his show. In addition Paulogia never ceases to impress me with how good he is at translating and explaining complex convoluted concepts into approachable and relatable information in “layman’s” terms.
It's Thanksgiving day in my mind today and I'm thankful for science educators.
Hello, Gutsick Gibbon! Oh, I do love what you do, Erica! Very glad I found this video. 😁
"these scientist keep anthropomorphize everything and opposing human exclusive traits"
says the creationists who seem to think animals can grasp the concept of their god and know what marriage is.
Every time I hear someone go on and on with the superlatives (like Ken here), I know I'm dealing with a conman.
Paul you’re in an amazing Zen state apparently. Every time I listen to Ken and AIG; my blood boils. Such a great job as always and Erika is obviously in a higher intellectual plain than Ham and the AIG bunch. Keep it up.
I still have trouble believing that a smart businessman like Ham n' Eggs actually believes that a fairy tale written by an unknown author living in a Bronze Age desert tribe is a substitute for the scientific method of examining and testing to arrive at truth.
You're not. It's "plane." LOL.
Paul, I really appreciate how well you vibe with your guest hosts, especially on ham and aig news
Erika can you show up more? Your fantastic :)
I’m loving that holographic technique, it’s just a shame it’s in a creationist museum.
Being “just an ape” used to scare me a bit because I felt it took away some of the “special” qualities of being human. Now that I’ve gotten over that egocentric view, I think it’s pretty cool to realize we’re a weird offshoot of apes 🦍 apes together strong
I love learning new science through your channel. Paulogia😁
It is a pleasure to watch Erica participate in this excellent channel
"The technician had never seen this done before, and he's an expert".
Incredible that they'll defer to an expert when it comes to one thing that has been derived from our knowledge of science, physics, chemistry, etc. but not when it comes to things like evolution. No, that would be too honest of them.
Designers of that exhibit snuck in a Metal Gear Solid reference! "Whose footprints are these?"
Your commiting the pop culture equivalent of anthropomorphizing AIG with intelligent people.
@@ryavix lol
The 'footprints in the sand' type of trope is a really old evangelical trope.
HOLY F**KEN OATH! How dare Ken make us Australian's sound so precious that we can't stand swearing. We practically INVENTED IT!
Fantastic video! I'll probably come back and watch this one again for the sheer density of educational value.
28:10
"Well, they don't have any 5-year-olds on hand to come...."
KINDa funny lol
Well done and thanks for sharing this with us and keep up your great work 👍
I love how you had the Tarzan clip it's a bit nostalgic for me because when I watched as a kid it made me realize that gorillas are very similar to humans
Watching this again because I love you guys.
BONUS!
I call shenanigans!!
Hey it's Shannon Q!
Legends says DD is still struggling trying to figure out how did you handle his retorics that well.
Im calling bias here! 😊🇵🇭
Okay, well I watched it this morning, but seeing it in my feed again, I'll go ahead and give it another full view.
I think that I might have had a nerdgasm while listening to this episode. I have a bachelor's degree in linguistics and love learning about animal communication, but when Paul mentioned knowing Ben Burtt, I lost my mind! Ben Burtt is one of my favourite behind the scenes (except for "Freeze!" in Jedi) movie makers of all time, besides maybe Edith Head. Too cool!
3:20 “Haters gonna hate.... and Gorillas gonna grill”?
Sorry, couldn’t resist..... 😳
Just subscribed Erika´s channel. Very interesting and elaborated representation of good science!
Got a heart from Paulogia!!!! Well, you, Paulogia, got lot of thousands from me for your exquisite content. Thank you so very much!
Thanks for taking the time to redo the video for us
These two are fun together. Well done. Great commentary.
fantastic. very interesting! thanks Paul and Erika.
That was fun and fascinating. Thank you!
The reason to separate humans from the rest of the apes is concern for the apes.
Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.
Monkeys evolved from apes.
Modern humans evolved from Neanderthals.
Seems reasonable to me.
Happily watching this again.
Oh my God Ken was wrong, it was Evolution all along, yes we constantly make a Monkey out of Ken... (hopefully this time it won't be removed)
@Sunnypsyop I ask for permission to use this where appropriate. This is a classic in the making.
You don't have to "make a monkey of of Ken". Look at his face. Every time he looks in the mirror he KNOWS we are apes, and his self hatred is what drives his relentless attacks on reality.
An impressively educational and entertaining video. Erika is so much fun, would love to see her on the show again- Paul and her had great chemistry.
*I think this was my introduction to Gutsick Gibbon several years ago, her intelligence continues to impress. Paul’s guests are awesome and usually worth following.
Thanks for fixing this, Paul!
Great discussion, very educational and big thanks to Gutsick Gibbon
Stellar work!
I was wondering why the episode was suddenly down.
Glad you reuploaded it because this one is really great. Wish I could have been there at the premiere but it was around 2am for me at the time and I was actually asleep for once. 😉
Erika and Paulogia together? Instant like!
(Same comment I made this morning, screw you BBC)
Thank you, Jamie! Thank you, Erika! And, of course, thank you Paul!
You guys are such an awesome team this is a great video
Gutsick Gibbon sounds like the type of channel I'd love. Can't wait to check it out after this vid.
Creationists lying again? I can't even be bothered pretending to be surprised.
Ken and I both read Genesis.
I think Genesis is fiction because it reads exactly like a fairy tale.
Ken believes its a true story.
Is this Yahweh's Perfect Plan?
True and also nice username op
I'm Australian. I really cannot tell what Ken Ham was talking about re: swearing. I 100% don't get the joke.
@Sdrrshock Farts are now widely accepted as a natural function in English but can become offensive when stale.
"Enough piss-farting around."
Yeah, that sounds as outdated as "buggered" to be considered a swear.
This video has got to be one of my favourites! Watched it when it was first out but the bugga copyrighted it before I could finish it. Anyways, another great video ^^
Love your show.
Great video, Paul! I enjoyed Erika's contribution very much and I have subscribed to her channel!
Her debate is one of the four major demolitions of Hovind, along with King Crocoduck, Conspiracy Catz and the late great Bill Ludlow.
Ken denegrating the gorillas' music to try to make the gulf between them and us wider just makes me wish I could be there with a boombox. I'd play "My Humps" by the Black Eyed Peas at full volume, maintaining unblinking eye contact with Ken the entire time.
Best show ever!!!!
Anybody else watch Ken Ham and get that unclean feeling, like when talking to a used car sales man?
Going in depth in primatology - this is great! One of my favorite episodes Paulogia, thanks! Plus, putting in other intelligent animal species together in one video (chimpanzee, gorilla, and dolphin) you should mention the Uplift novel series by David Brin that has humans purposefully making those species on the level of human intelligence. It's awesome and should be read by all sci-fi fans.
My brain temporarily shut down when she said field and you put up a picture of a cornfield, it took me way to long to realize what she was talking about
_O_ to the detailed analysis and jokes in this video!! Kudos !!
The synonym slurry from Ham at the exhibit opening is instructive, as it points out how little effort and professionalism Christians typically put into these kinds of endeavours. No wonder he is in awe...
Gibbon is the coolest, most interesting, person ever! Good, smart guest.
Hey Paul, that was so nice!
I first learned of Gutsick Gibbons from the amazing job she did debating THE Kent Hovind. Definitely check out that debate if you can!
My MinPins and mini doxie absolutely yodelled, chirped, and cooed, but not while they were eating. Ok, while I was and they weren't, they would vocalize, not bark. Also, when they and I were separated, I've had sitters tell me of them "singing."
Love Erica! Go get 'm!
Baby chimp looks so freakin human. How does someone see that and think nope. Nothing like me.
The Apes are starting to claim Ken is not related to Great apes but rather the Donkey!
Aww don't be so mean to the donkeys!
I'd love LOVE to take a class from her!!!!!
I totally got a sneak preview of this.
AiG: Lucy had ape feet!!
Also AiG: There are no fossils of Lucy's feet, so scientists just make up whatever they want.
This is soo coool
Ken believes that evolution is a cactus suddenly growing a womb and popping out a few wolf cubs...is it really any surprise that when scientists talk about gorilla's singing he expected one to bust out with Planet of the Apes: The Musical???
I've been alive long enough for stupidity to never surprise me anymore. I expect everyone to be stupid, myself included.
"What I heard was im allowed to throw sharp sticks"
Paulogia is the Jeremy Clarkson of internet atheism. The funniest.
I immediately subscribed to erika after this video!
Great show love got sick gibbons I hope she completed her PhD which I'm sure she has by now thank you it was fun making comments on some show I was watching
Important to note:
Koko the Gorilla was able to *name* her pet kitten, "All Ball".
Dolphins name themselves.
Move over, Adam.
Yay! It's Ham and Egg news!
I hope bodie is aware that chewie is actually communicating in the films. As we all know han understands him and responds and chewie responds to him. How do the egglets constantly put their feet in their mouths and not be aware of it?
I watched 3/4 of it already! Lol
Always nice to see Erika talking about lessor apes that misrepresent the family of apes.
Someone should study the brains of creationists, it's more likely to give us a better glimpse into the primative minds of our ancestors 🤣
Or better still, they are another branch of the human species HomoChristians, LMFAO
@@truckeralvarez5932 That's a tad unfair on some Xians IMO. Why not Homo Creatardus?
Hey Docta, just saw your comment and had a question. Do you think that there are any intelligent creationists?
Zing...
Hang on, "fart" is swear word in Australia? First I've heard of it. This is the country where "magnificent bastard" is a term of endearment.