As has been pointed out, the years of reigns for the Five Good Emperors are all Vespasian’s. Apologies about that! I’ll post the actual years in a moment in the comments
I wonder how Vespasian and Titus influenced Domitian as their characters seemed a little different than him (but it’s unclear whether D was trying to continue his predecessors success or prevent future conflicts). Perhaps he was conflicted or vain or spoiled. Very curious about his, Titus, and Vespasian’s childhoods.
The moment I saw it I began to expect some narrative about influence of Vespasian over the emperors for the next hundred years. Then I decided it was merely an error. NB. No actual years have been posted yet (11 hrs. into 1 moment)
Makes me wonder why anyone wanted to be a senator in Rome. I think I would have resigned for health reasons and retreated to the outbacks to grow cabbages and garlic.
Because for every example of someone executed or treated bad theres 100 who got to just be crazy rich aristocrats with access to limited military glory. If you were an ultrarich Italian, being a Senator was just expected in some ways.
It's a road to power, influence, riches. Throughout history with literal cutthroat politics, court intrigues, whether we're talking the Romans, Medieval Europe, Imperial China, a lot of people were quite willing to play the game. Even Alexander the Great couldn't trust his men and he was renown, powerful, and on top of the hierarchy of Macedon.
Did you watch the video or is this the most basic case of failing to learn from history? Domitian's plan to have the senator failed and he had to resort to a more traditional means of execution. Even if this is some grumbling about corrupt politicians, what you're asking for is the handing of power to some unstable despot.
That must have not been particularly popular since by pretty much any religious system of belief, fighting and slaying an apex predator pretty likely is seen as clearing all doubt of guilt by divine right.
Domitian should definitely have pardoned any senator who killed a lion. I remember the emperor in Androcles and The Lion offering a full pardon (and membership in The Praetorian Guard) to any Christian who survived the beast fight, presumably on the view that they would either be very skillful or very lucky.
Yes, some ancient sources are propaganda. Tacitus was like your uncle on Facebook who arbitrarily shares or ignores rumors based on whether or not he likes a given politician. At least most of the bad stuff you heard about Nero is Tacitus' bull***
Wasn't there a similar story where Hannibal forced a captured Roman tribune to fight an elephant, promising to free him if he won, and then executed him anyway after the Roman killed the elephant in solo combat?
@larsrons7937 Well I assume someone like Tacitus or Pliny the Elder wrote something or like some stoic complained about how the kids these days are using bows instead of spears or some nonsense. I would guess they didn't have 'how to guides' but I could see someone writing about the 'proper' way to hunt or fight a beast.
@@TommyHanusa Well they did have guides like _"how to court a woman in the audience at the arena"_ (was it Ovid?), so why not _"How to kill a beast in the arena"?_ I haven't heard of any, but it couldn't have been lost.
Well I dont see anything unusually cruel in the context of ancient Rome..OTOH; The ruthless murders of Romans by Sulla and Marius and the later proscriptions under the 1st and 2nd Triumvirate seem rather diabolical and extreme.
That's a one in a million experience. I got the first 2 ads after 1 minute. Past the 4 mins. mark I rewinded a bit - and got 2 more ads. That's 4 ads in a video less than 5 minutes long.
As has been pointed out, the years of reigns for the Five Good Emperors are all Vespasian’s. Apologies about that! I’ll post the actual years in a moment in the comments
I wonder how Vespasian and Titus influenced Domitian as their characters seemed a little different than him (but it’s unclear whether D was trying to continue his predecessors success or prevent future conflicts). Perhaps he was conflicted or vain or spoiled. Very curious about his, Titus, and Vespasian’s childhoods.
You should mention that death + black themed parties were rather normal in Rome. This was not a special one off event.
The moment I saw it I began to expect some narrative about influence of Vespasian over the emperors for the next hundred years. Then I decided it was merely an error. NB. No actual years have been posted yet (11 hrs. into 1 moment)
*Nerva:* 96-98
*Trajan:* 98-117
*Hadrian:* 117-138
*Antoninus Pius:* 138-161
*Marcus Aurelius:* 161-180
Makes me wonder why anyone wanted to be a senator in Rome. I think I would have resigned for health reasons and retreated to the outbacks to grow cabbages and garlic.
Because for every example of someone executed or treated bad theres 100 who got to just be crazy rich aristocrats with access to limited military glory. If you were an ultrarich Italian, being a Senator was just expected in some ways.
It's a road to power, influence, riches. Throughout history with literal cutthroat politics, court intrigues, whether we're talking the Romans, Medieval Europe, Imperial China, a lot of people were quite willing to play the game. Even Alexander the Great couldn't trust his men and he was renown, powerful, and on top of the hierarchy of Macedon.
Same reason why people join gangs and cartels, plus the desire for honor and glory and what not.
This is famously what Diocletian did.
A little later gentlemen who just wanted a quiet life would be compelled to become bishops.
@@alanpennie Do you have an example?
I thought it would be funny if the senator won and the emperor made him full time gladiator
I could see Nero or Caligula doing this, maybe Commodus being a big fan of gladiatorial games
Domitian was rather lacking in imagination.
A full - time senator and part - time gladiator would have been an ornament to Rome.
I admire that Senator's courage... 😏
what a roman
@@kenrudd6362
What a human being... 🤔😏
I can't imagine Cicero fighting a lion.
He'd probably have talked it to death.
@@alanpennie
I bet Lion would have had enough with his never ending speeches and call it a day... 😏
@@SkyFly19853 What?🤣
I came up with a new drinking game, drink each time Senators get purged, now try reading Tacitus and Cassius Dio back to back
Necabor, non possumus ut surviverem.
chad senator vs the virgin emperor
Chad Emperor VS Virgin Senator
@@unclesam5230It was pretty based on Domitian's end.
In a just world Domitian would have to fight the senator.
Glabriel the lion hunter should have been honored for listening and winning a brave command from his emperor
Based Domition.
Whether or not he was as cruel as some clamied.
He was a capable administrator who understood the value of economic stability.
My favorite 1st century emperor.
Domition.
What a (Richard) !!!
TBH the senators had become whiny do nothings, Domitian was right to centralize power
Great as usual!
What senator or politician would you make fight a dangerous wild beast
can we bring this back?
Did you watch the video or is this the most basic case of failing to learn from history?
Domitian's plan to have the senator failed and he had to resort to a more traditional means of execution. Even if this is some grumbling about corrupt politicians, what you're asking for is the handing of power to some unstable despot.
That must have not been particularly popular since by pretty much any religious system of belief, fighting and slaying an apex predator pretty likely is seen as clearing all doubt of guilt by divine right.
Domitian should definitely have pardoned any senator who killed a lion.
I remember the emperor in Androcles and The Lion offering a full pardon (and membership in The Praetorian Guard) to any Christian who survived the beast fight, presumably on the view that they would either be very skillful or very lucky.
Yes, some ancient sources are propaganda. Tacitus was like your uncle on Facebook who arbitrarily shares or ignores rumors based on whether or not he likes a given politician. At least most of the bad stuff you heard about Nero is Tacitus' bull***
senators owned land, vast amounts of land ... the question isnt why would anyone want to be a senator but why would anyone piss off the emperor?
An idea worth repeating iguess??
Sounds cheaper than putting people in prison for life.
0:37 - Vespasian's period of reign was worth repeating. So much that the five "good emperors" all god the same period.
Wasn't there a similar story where Hannibal forced a captured Roman tribune to fight an elephant, promising to free him if he won, and then executed him anyway after the Roman killed the elephant in solo combat?
Wonderful race, the Romans... 🏛️ 😊
Poor senator :(
Where is the dog?!
You should mention that death + black themed parties were rather normal in Rome. This was not a special one off event.
so like... How do you kill a lion? I mean did the Romans write about how to fight certain animals?
Like in _"User's manual in fighting wilds beasts in an arena"?_
@larsrons7937 Well I assume someone like Tacitus or Pliny the Elder wrote something or like some stoic complained about how the kids these days are using bows instead of spears or some nonsense. I would guess they didn't have 'how to guides' but I could see someone writing about the 'proper' way to hunt or fight a beast.
@@TommyHanusa Well they did have guides like _"how to court a woman in the audience at the arena"_ (was it Ovid?), so why not _"How to kill a beast in the arena"?_ I haven't heard of any, but it couldn't have been lost.
Well I dont see anything unusually cruel in the context
of ancient Rome..OTOH; The ruthless murders of Romans
by Sulla and Marius and the later proscriptions under the
1st and 2nd Triumvirate seem rather diabolical and extreme.
What a bad end for the Flavian dynasty. Vespasian & Titus good! Domitian not so much!
Why didn't Titus live longer? 😢
I watched this entire video ad-free against RUclips ToS.
Hero
Infinitely based.
How? All my ad blockers no longer work.
me too, bless the people worked on Revanced
That's a one in a million experience. I got the first 2 ads after 1 minute. Past the 4 mins. mark I rewinded a bit - and got 2 more ads. That's 4 ads in a video less than 5 minutes long.
So... how does one actually fight and kill a lion without getting injured?
with a long spear, or a missile object?
A fireball from one's firemage magic hands.
Probably with long spear, shield and heavy armor. But even then you need luck, speed, dexterity and pure strenght to survive.
First
After listening to this I was like I could think of a few senators that I really want Jo Biden to make fight a lion. It would be a good show. 😅