When Emperor Domitian forced a Senator to fight a lion | Exotic Roman Pets

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2023

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  • @TheFallofRome
    @TheFallofRome  7 месяцев назад +19

    As has been pointed out, the years of reigns for the Five Good Emperors are all Vespasian’s. Apologies about that! I’ll post the actual years in a moment in the comments

    • @LordWyatt
      @LordWyatt 7 месяцев назад

      I wonder how Vespasian and Titus influenced Domitian as their characters seemed a little different than him (but it’s unclear whether D was trying to continue his predecessors success or prevent future conflicts). Perhaps he was conflicted or vain or spoiled. Very curious about his, Titus, and Vespasian’s childhoods.

    • @cegesh1459
      @cegesh1459 7 месяцев назад

      You should mention that death + black themed parties were rather normal in Rome. This was not a special one off event.

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 7 месяцев назад +1

      The moment I saw it I began to expect some narrative about influence of Vespasian over the emperors for the next hundred years. Then I decided it was merely an error. NB. No actual years have been posted yet (11 hrs. into 1 moment)

    • @FourOf92000
      @FourOf92000 7 месяцев назад +2

      *Nerva:* 96-98
      *Trajan:* 98-117
      *Hadrian:* 117-138
      *Antoninus Pius:* 138-161
      *Marcus Aurelius:* 161-180

  • @edwemail8508
    @edwemail8508 7 месяцев назад +53

    Makes me wonder why anyone wanted to be a senator in Rome. I think I would have resigned for health reasons and retreated to the outbacks to grow cabbages and garlic.

    • @geordiejones5618
      @geordiejones5618 7 месяцев назад +24

      Because for every example of someone executed or treated bad theres 100 who got to just be crazy rich aristocrats with access to limited military glory. If you were an ultrarich Italian, being a Senator was just expected in some ways.

    • @Warmaker01
      @Warmaker01 7 месяцев назад +12

      It's a road to power, influence, riches. Throughout history with literal cutthroat politics, court intrigues, whether we're talking the Romans, Medieval Europe, Imperial China, a lot of people were quite willing to play the game. Even Alexander the Great couldn't trust his men and he was renown, powerful, and on top of the hierarchy of Macedon.

    • @analander9222
      @analander9222 7 месяцев назад +2

      Same reason why people join gangs and cartels, plus the desire for honor and glory and what not.

    • @alanpennie
      @alanpennie 7 месяцев назад +2

      This is famously what Diocletian did.
      A little later gentlemen who just wanted a quiet life would be compelled to become bishops.

    • @zero95lucky
      @zero95lucky 7 месяцев назад

      @@alanpennie Do you have an example?

  • @54032Zepol
    @54032Zepol 7 месяцев назад +36

    I thought it would be funny if the senator won and the emperor made him full time gladiator

    • @ethienosinsky5186
      @ethienosinsky5186 7 месяцев назад +9

      I could see Nero or Caligula doing this, maybe Commodus being a big fan of gladiatorial games

    • @alanpennie
      @alanpennie 7 месяцев назад +6

      Domitian was rather lacking in imagination.
      A full - time senator and part - time gladiator would have been an ornament to Rome.

  • @SkyFly19853
    @SkyFly19853 7 месяцев назад +13

    I admire that Senator's courage... 😏

    • @kenrudd6362
      @kenrudd6362 7 месяцев назад +3

      what a roman

    • @SkyFly19853
      @SkyFly19853 7 месяцев назад

      @@kenrudd6362
      What a human being... 🤔😏

    • @alanpennie
      @alanpennie 7 месяцев назад +2

      I can't imagine Cicero fighting a lion.
      He'd probably have talked it to death.

    • @SkyFly19853
      @SkyFly19853 7 месяцев назад

      @@alanpennie
      I bet Lion would have had enough with his never ending speeches and call it a day... 😏

    • @kenrudd6362
      @kenrudd6362 7 месяцев назад

      @@SkyFly19853 What?🤣

  • @ethienosinsky5186
    @ethienosinsky5186 7 месяцев назад +7

    I came up with a new drinking game, drink each time Senators get purged, now try reading Tacitus and Cassius Dio back to back

    • @Mortablunt
      @Mortablunt 7 месяцев назад +1

      Necabor, non possumus ut surviverem.

  • @kenrudd6362
    @kenrudd6362 7 месяцев назад +5

    chad senator vs the virgin emperor

  • @terraflow__bryanburdo4547
    @terraflow__bryanburdo4547 7 месяцев назад +5

    In a just world Domitian would have to fight the senator.

  • @jtgd
    @jtgd 7 месяцев назад +3

    Glabriel the lion hunter should have been honored for listening and winning a brave command from his emperor

  • @theskycavedin9592
    @theskycavedin9592 7 месяцев назад +3

    Based Domition.

  • @petervinberg6823
    @petervinberg6823 7 месяцев назад +11

    Whether or not he was as cruel as some clamied.
    He was a capable administrator who understood the value of economic stability.

  • @rc8937
    @rc8937 7 месяцев назад +3

    My favorite 1st century emperor.

  • @davidhughes8357
    @davidhughes8357 7 месяцев назад +2

    Domition.
    What a (Richard) !!!

  • @davidcoquelle3081
    @davidcoquelle3081 7 месяцев назад +2

    TBH the senators had become whiny do nothings, Domitian was right to centralize power

  • @qboxer
    @qboxer 7 месяцев назад +1

    Great as usual!

  • @maxsavage3998
    @maxsavage3998 3 месяца назад

    What senator or politician would you make fight a dangerous wild beast

  • @1988thefreeman
    @1988thefreeman 7 месяцев назад +6

    can we bring this back?

    • @docholiday7975
      @docholiday7975 7 месяцев назад +2

      Did you watch the video or is this the most basic case of failing to learn from history?
      Domitian's plan to have the senator failed and he had to resort to a more traditional means of execution. Even if this is some grumbling about corrupt politicians, what you're asking for is the handing of power to some unstable despot.

  • @wyattw9727
    @wyattw9727 7 месяцев назад +4

    That must have not been particularly popular since by pretty much any religious system of belief, fighting and slaying an apex predator pretty likely is seen as clearing all doubt of guilt by divine right.

    • @alanpennie
      @alanpennie 7 месяцев назад +2

      Domitian should definitely have pardoned any senator who killed a lion.
      I remember the emperor in Androcles and The Lion offering a full pardon (and membership in The Praetorian Guard) to any Christian who survived the beast fight, presumably on the view that they would either be very skillful or very lucky.

  • @samsonsoturian6013
    @samsonsoturian6013 7 месяцев назад +2

    Yes, some ancient sources are propaganda. Tacitus was like your uncle on Facebook who arbitrarily shares or ignores rumors based on whether or not he likes a given politician. At least most of the bad stuff you heard about Nero is Tacitus' bull***

  • @user-nt9zc3bi9j
    @user-nt9zc3bi9j 7 месяцев назад

    senators owned land, vast amounts of land ... the question isnt why would anyone want to be a senator but why would anyone piss off the emperor?

  • @eotwawki
    @eotwawki 7 месяцев назад +6

    An idea worth repeating iguess??

    • @notsocrates9529
      @notsocrates9529 7 месяцев назад

      Sounds cheaper than putting people in prison for life.

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 7 месяцев назад

      0:37 - Vespasian's period of reign was worth repeating. So much that the five "good emperors" all god the same period.

  • @eric1752
    @eric1752 3 месяца назад

    Wasn't there a similar story where Hannibal forced a captured Roman tribune to fight an elephant, promising to free him if he won, and then executed him anyway after the Roman killed the elephant in solo combat?

  • @grahamturner1290
    @grahamturner1290 7 месяцев назад +2

    Wonderful race, the Romans... 🏛️ 😊

  • @1998topornik
    @1998topornik 6 месяцев назад

    Poor senator :(

  • @HomeRudeGirlz
    @HomeRudeGirlz 7 месяцев назад +1

    Where is the dog?!

  • @cegesh1459
    @cegesh1459 7 месяцев назад +3

    You should mention that death + black themed parties were rather normal in Rome. This was not a special one off event.

  • @TommyHanusa
    @TommyHanusa 7 месяцев назад +2

    so like... How do you kill a lion? I mean did the Romans write about how to fight certain animals?

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 7 месяцев назад

      Like in _"User's manual in fighting wilds beasts in an arena"?_

    • @TommyHanusa
      @TommyHanusa 7 месяцев назад +1

      @larsrons7937 Well I assume someone like Tacitus or Pliny the Elder wrote something or like some stoic complained about how the kids these days are using bows instead of spears or some nonsense. I would guess they didn't have 'how to guides' but I could see someone writing about the 'proper' way to hunt or fight a beast.

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@TommyHanusa Well they did have guides like _"how to court a woman in the audience at the arena"_ (was it Ovid?), so why not _"How to kill a beast in the arena"?_ I haven't heard of any, but it couldn't have been lost.

  • @r0ky_M
    @r0ky_M 7 месяцев назад +1

    Well I dont see anything unusually cruel in the context
    of ancient Rome..OTOH; The ruthless murders of Romans
    by Sulla and Marius and the later proscriptions under the
    1st and 2nd Triumvirate seem rather diabolical and extreme.

  • @wilsontheconqueror8101
    @wilsontheconqueror8101 4 месяца назад

    What a bad end for the Flavian dynasty. Vespasian & Titus good! Domitian not so much!

  • @wilsontheconqueror8101
    @wilsontheconqueror8101 7 месяцев назад

    Why didn't Titus live longer? 😢

  • @ba0cbmft
    @ba0cbmft 7 месяцев назад +18

    I watched this entire video ad-free against RUclips ToS.

    • @dvel185
      @dvel185 7 месяцев назад +2

      Hero

    • @notsocrates9529
      @notsocrates9529 7 месяцев назад +1

      Infinitely based.

    • @silverchairsg
      @silverchairsg 7 месяцев назад

      How? All my ad blockers no longer work.

    • @budakbaongsiah
      @budakbaongsiah 7 месяцев назад

      me too, bless the people worked on Revanced

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 7 месяцев назад

      That's a one in a million experience. I got the first 2 ads after 1 minute. Past the 4 mins. mark I rewinded a bit - and got 2 more ads. That's 4 ads in a video less than 5 minutes long.

  • @silverchairsg
    @silverchairsg 7 месяцев назад +1

    So... how does one actually fight and kill a lion without getting injured?

    • @budakbaongsiah
      @budakbaongsiah 7 месяцев назад +3

      with a long spear, or a missile object?

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 7 месяцев назад

      A fireball from one's firemage magic hands.

    • @LuizAlexPhoenix
      @LuizAlexPhoenix 5 месяцев назад

      Probably with long spear, shield and heavy armor. But even then you need luck, speed, dexterity and pure strenght to survive.

  • @AntonioBrandao
    @AntonioBrandao 7 месяцев назад +4

    First

  • @crmesson22k
    @crmesson22k 7 месяцев назад +1

    After listening to this I was like I could think of a few senators that I really want Jo Biden to make fight a lion. It would be a good show. 😅