You can get the best of both worlds if you use glue on your push fit models. The glue lubricates/melts the pins slightly, making them go together with almost no force while keeping the hassle free assembly. Also, having glue in the joints will help with closing any gaps by melting the plastic together and smooshing it into any gaps.
No shit, 'glue your models together' is your advice? Something folk have been doing for 35 years? Jesus, calm down Copernicus I think you're ahead of your time.
The outside of legs doesn't quite line up (nothing filler and some spare purity seals can't cover), but I actually build Redemptor (kind of awful part matching, especially that front cockpit "flap"), Invictor (it was a lot better) and Brutalis (everything gone smooth together), and Ballistus being 1/10 parts of other models was pure joy to assemble. Tho I would HIGHLY advise to use CA glue, acrylic putty (used Vallejo 70.400) and 400-1200 grit papers if you want to make it look truly good.
@@PeteOfDarkness I have 3 redemptors, still in the boxes :D I got them for my Black Templars, but then couldn't decide how In wanted to paint them, so they are all still boxed. Also kind of procrastinating, building them as I know they are supposed to be pretty advanced kits for someone who hasn't built many vehicles before. I also want to collect more bits to make them look more black templar. the issue with running an army like BT's is when you run the vanilla units, they look out of place in your army, unless you have a deep bits box. thankfully with all the 3rd party bits from 3d printers, it's way easier than it used to be. You can even buy some full upgrade kits for Dreadnoughts. I have been trying to hold off buying this stuff though, as going to get my own printer. Will save so much by just printing my own bits. that's the dream though, right. just being able to print off your own bits. every time I go to buy one though, I just end up with more minis :'D I swear, they call it "plastic crack" for a reason. In total I probably have around 6k+ points of unbuilt (nevermind, unpainted) stuff... TBH though I don't like building things till I'm ready to paint them. they are for different armies though, not 6k, pile of shame for just one flavour.
Gunpla model kits are all push fit and the range of movement and detail you get with them is amazing. It is very much possible to get multipose push fit models with weapon options. However the engineering of the sprues/models has to be way better then it is now, which would most likely lead to smaller parts and more fiddling while building.
Hit the nail right on the head! Gunpla sprues are beautiful, little to no cleanup, undergating, reasonably placed mold lines. GW sprues are absolutely disgusting. Massive frigging gates and usually placed in hard spots to clean up, like in between muscles.i feel like I'm sanding more than painting.
@@stevencolon1723 hell gunpla keep most of the parts you need on the same sprue. where i was working on a unit of chaos knights and the parts for the single model was split between 3 sprues.
@@ulforcemegamon3094 I could almost excuse their push fit models being subpar, takes some trial and error. But they've been in this game(hah) for ages. I can understand if their gates have to be huge for whatever reason, but they really need to organize their frigging sprues
I like push-fit for one specific reason - I can sub-assembly to my heart's content by putting it together, priming, and then carefully pulling away whatever I need to get to places, and a good number of the models facilitates this. For example, I had no trouble painting the Screamer Killer's arms separately, and reaching the torso area and under the carapace properly. I will say though it feels like most of the pins are designed to be almost exact fits - and they almost never come out perfectly, so they are usually too long and/or have gribblies that make it impossible to fit them into their hole.
Yeah. . . Push-fit models can be a bit annoying sometimes. For me, it comes down to the connections for bodies. Since sometimes they make the peg big enough to just barely fit, and if you don’t apply alot of pressure, you get an ugly looking gap. Theres a reason more experienced people snip off the push-fit pegs and just glue them like regular models. I dont always do that since some of the parts are too tough to fit without the pins, but its at least an option for you to consider when building with push-fit kits in the future. As for Leviathan. . . I've *definitely* started working on my Space Marine half. Its *definitely* not languishing in my cellar while I build the Necrons I've had for over a year and a half now. *Definitely~*
The thing I'm most excited for is building Leviathan with my dad this weekend. Never knew he used to build models when he was a kid but now I cant wait
One of the reasons I got into warhammer was making airfix models with my dad. Have a good weekend! The video complains a lot but like all my videos they have a degree of hyperbole and I'm sure you and your dad will have a good time
When I was first getting into warhammer me and my dad made the dark imperium box and my dad said he used to play space hulk (a version of warhammer 40k to my understanding)
A few weeks ago I bought the mid-tier starter box, space marines vs necrons, as a way to learn how 40k plays again, alongside my brother. The bikes felt weird to push fit, but almost all of the necron stuff is terrifying to push fit due to how naturally thin they are.
I appreciate that this doesn't actually solve anything about pushfit, and there were definitely some parts I did just push, but I find when making pushfit models I just snip off the extra pegs and glue as usual, I just don't trust the pegs to stay together
I end up with gaps, doesn't seem to matter how hard I push. I just snip them off. I must admit the leviathan box was somewhat better in that regard over the indomitus box. Push fit is unreliable and therefore pointless in my opinion.
I was really happy to assemble the marines! Luckily had 3 extra sprue bits from squads i had already assembled, so i did a ton of cutting and shaving to customize guns and get some Imperial Fist Pauldrons on. They were fun and easy when i didnt want to do any other changes, but damn were they annoying to make even minor head changes and stuff on. I did snag a deffdread arm from a friend to get rid of the rocket launcher of the dread. Im very happy with what kitbashing i could do, but it was so much effort!
Lol I'm also an IF player. I too made many modifications. I was very pleased with how easily the Biologis shoulder was swapped. The combi-bolters are a bit of a conundrum.
Push fit is a great idea in theory but in practice there's always at least one connector you need to shave off, especially the ones attached to fragile spindly bits.
Man, that knock on the left side at 0:03 of the video creeped the heck out of me! I’m sitting alone at night, next to a window in a cabin we just rented. Got a good jump out of it. 😂 I have yet to build my Leviathan Box, but I am already debating if I should get the new ultimate starter box to get closer to 2000pts and complete with one or two additional units. It seems many people manage to give alternate poses by just clipping the pegs. I might try that for more variety of poses, but I do like pushfits for how quicker they are.
I often just ending up sniping the pegs and using glue on push-fit models anyway, otherwise I often end up with annoying gaps or having to force the model (which I am not comfortable doing with how pricy they are). I am 100% with you on the dreadnought however, I build the Leviathan one and a regular Redemptor kit in the same week, I ended up swearing at the exact same leg joints you mentioned, with everything falling apart and fingers full of glue.
I'm currently going through the Dominion Box for AOS. Gotta say push-fit models are a game changer for me, because I really don't like the "building" part of 40k and gluing especially. One piece of advice though, if you're ever struggling with a part with too much resistance, try scraping the "push"part with a knife a little, it will reduce its size and make it easier to fit. And if it becomes too small to fit, just fill the "fit" part with a bit of glue.
Can confirm, sometimes shaving the pegs is helpful, if not necessary, to getting the pieces in place. Also, figuring out where to apply pressure to get the pegs going in the direction of the slots, from the outside where you can't see the connections, is hard, right? I can't be the only one who assembled those Dominion models and was almost (or actually) bending pegs due to bad force alignment.
I think the other big issue with push fit is that the slight warping that can happen on thin pieces (like you mention with the antenna) can be so obvious if that thin piece fits with something else structurally. I know, glue can fix it, but that's against the spirit of push-fit.
Paul, your video have quickly become something I actively look forward to and get really excited about when a new one drops. They're a pleasure, so thank you
For packaging errors just send GW an email. Didnt get one of the kits in a christmas box set, sent them an email, and they sent me one in the Mail for free
Thanks for the video Paul. I started putting together my Leviathan set today and was so annoyed by the push fit that I took a break. Now I know what to look out for.
Only disagreement is on Pushfit Dreadnoughts.....holy shit I am SO glad that most Dreadnoughts aren't just Pushfit. The Non-Pushfit Dreadnoughts are just sooooo much nicer and a lot more fun&cool because you can actually pose them and customize them. Although yeah....all the Smol Fiddly Bits in the Contemptor&Leviathan Dreadnoughts are a bit annoying, but that's a minor bit of frustration I will happily accept in exchange for actually being able to fully customize my Minis. I recommend you try building&painting each Plastic Dreadnought Kit and compare how much nicer looking the Non-Pushfit Dreadnoughts are.
My first pushfit models were for a contemptor and redemptor dreadnoughts, both were pretty fine, I did like that I could do it without the glue, but it did push my wish for the mechs of 40k to be more like the gundams, were you could activly pose them with hinges and ball joints. Definitly would get more.
As someone that is brand new to Warhammer and model building altogether, I bought the Kill Team starter kit which was glue together and was gifted some Marines off the Leviathan box which were push fit. If I hadn't put the push fit models together first I think I would have enjoyed building the glue models a lot less than I did. The Push-fit is a good starting point for a brand new person and I think they should probably include them in all the starter kits. For all the valid problems you point out, I'd like to point out the counterpoint from the newbie perspective - I didn't know what load-outs I should be doing for my kill teams. The starter book not only doesn't give actionable advice to build the best teams, but if you follow their "starter missions" it requires you to build sub-optimal load-outs. If I hadn't done any research I'd have glued together a whole team of basic troops without half the specialists.
That's a fair point about the load-outs. I think the simplification of them in 10th does help but I know personally as well that not knowing what the best weapon to use or what weapons you can use is a bit annoying. Also, heads up, for some weird reason your comment was flagged as spam. I have no idea why, but I had to manually approve it. Not sure if this is affecting any other comments on other channels you may have made.
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Interesting that it was marked spam. Probably because this is a new account I made just for Warhammer stuff. Thanks for the heads up.
The only things i kit bashed from the box was one of my Sternguard sergeants, one of my gravis apothecaries, and a couple of terminators, mainly swapping their arms around. For the sergeant, i wanted to add a beakie helm, so I trimmed down the neck plate, snipped off and retracted the gun’s arm sling and added a different shield to the chest.
Can confirm from when I built the whole Kruleboyz half of the AoS Dominion box, push-fits are kind of frustrating. A real pain in the fingers, literally. Quick additional tip: when they say you don't need glue, this isn't a suggestion. DO NOT USE SUPERGLUE ON PUSH-FIT MODELS UNLESS YOU HAVE TO. (Or you go the route of cutting the tabs off, obviously). When I was building my Kruleboyz, adding superglue first only ever made the process _harder,_ to little or no real benefit. Friction alone would keep those pieces together in most instances. I was just so used to assembling with glue, I hadn't internalized that fact. I learned the hard way pieces preemptively locking in place half-way into fitting is a bad time. Thankfully, it all worked out in the end, but I had to take drastic measures to _undo_ problems I made myself. Save yourself some headaches, and just trust the process. With how hard it'll be to get those pieces together all the way, they aren't coming off on their own. Be very selective about where the superglue goes on.
My advice with push fit, trim the peg back a Mm or 2 then cut the tip of the peg on a 45. With the full peg sometimes you’ll get air in there, and when you put the glue on will make an air pocket and force the pieces apart. You can also trim pegs completely and get some what if different pose
for the spikes in the base: I personally just use a hobby knife on the hex hole to widen it, like carve out the rim of it. makes it a bit easier to put in and im using some sort of basing paste anyway
The best way I’ve found to assemble pushfit models is using plastic cement to lubricate the holes (haha). Slides in perfect, holds its place, and if worst comes to worst you can just clamp the pieces together with a bit of cement in between whatever’s not connecting and boom, ez dubs.
Push fit models I trim a sliver off the end of the rods and then scrape the side of the rod to get an air gap, it stops the rods from pushing out and bottoming out. Usually end up gluing them anyway.
100% agreed on the Dreadnoughts! I built my first Redemptor this June and it had waaaay more pieces than I had thought. A week later, I got my Leviathan box and build the Ballistus. The difference in build time was incredible. And yet the level of detail is nearly the same. Also, the lack of helmet options for three of the Space Marine characters was quite annoying.
If you snip off 1-2mm off the connection pegs they go together perfectly, and if you apply glue as you would on a normal model the seams get sealed too. I personally have no issues with pushfit, but I am aware that some people don't like 'em.
100% agree some good points and bad, I bought 2 lokhust heavy destroyers and primed them first. That was a bad idea the paint makes those tight gaps even worse!
yeah it confused me so much how to attach the neurotyrants crown until I realized I had to force it through the body and just had to trust the plastic that it wont break.
Just remove the "sticks" for push fit and then use glue I built 2 parts from the tyranids. After doing that I could pose my second screamer killer diffrent. To put something like the spike from the leapers in the base just use a paint brush or something else to press it in (it worked for me very well)
If you get a Wow-Stick and use the largest drill that comes with it in the peg holes it makes push-fit models a breeze to glue together. Drill to widen hole in less than a second. Glue together for a tight/snug fight with all the benefits of the peg design on things like 2 handed weapons.
i loved putting together the Sm side of it honestly with my cigar and bourbon outside i was having a great time! but yah some of the push top fit stuff was wacky
Heres a gunpla tip. Shave the tip of the pegs down to a single, slight 45 degree angle if you have to force it. Itll make it so much easier to assemble and take apart. Dont go overboard though, otherwise you might have to glue it down.
Paul you cannot put such a realistic knocking noise exclusively in the left speaker again! My study window is to the left and my headphones made it sound like someone was knocking on it. I jumped out of seat because I thought I had an intruder outside. XD
I'll be honest when I was editing this video I tricked myself with it every time I replayed that section so I had to put that evil on everyone else lmao
Back near the beginning (great video btw xD) when you said you don't know why they are changing all the GW stores names to Warhammer, I actually talked to a store manager about that, he said its mostly because that's what they sell, some type of business reason I'm sure, but when your new to Warhammer, you might not look at a store that says GW or Games Workshop, sure it sounds like a hobby store but seeing a building directly say Warhammer might bring in more customers or at the very least direct people to it. just wanted to post that, might help others understand as well.
For parts that hurt your fingers or take a little more force to get into the base, try to use your clippers to gently hold 2 sides close to the base, and then push down
I could have sworn that the spiky bit to fill the unused hole in the base has been around since at least third edition. If it wasn't a Tyranid claw, then it was a spiky tuft of grass or something.
I play Underworlds, so pushfit is a regular occurence (btw protip: buying 4-model Underworlds bands is a great way to keep the yearning for new armies under control). Always end up just clipping off the pegs and assembling as normal. I don’t trust my hand strength to push hard enough to not leave gaps.
I bought the termies from ebay and I fucking love them. I'm kitbashing one of them to be a Deathwing Strikemaster by giving him a cape and I added a sword codpiece thing from one of the Deathwing terminator torsos onto the belt.
I was so happy to get leviathan. I was like yeah... push fit. So I open the box and began to remove the contents. At the bottom of the box was about 20 broken pegs , 3 loose heads rolling around in there and a few arms. Sighs 😕 . At least I've gotten it all built.
I didn’t buy leviathan but I did buy some termagaunts and the winged tyrant of eBay cause they were cheap, and I actually loved that they were push fit, I’d never done it before but it was just so nice to know I didn’t have to worry about glue and I could get them done so quickly. Basically it’s the first time I’ve ever actually had fun during the building part of the model cause usually the stress of glue looms over the process
Honestly kinda made me wish that they made a lot more models push fit cause they could still include weapons options and if people really wanna’ kit bash they still could cut off the plug and repose the arms
I almost head a headless librarian because I did in fact use glue. The Captain you put on the head on after you put the body together. Than immediately after they send you to build the librarian which if you forget to but the head in between the body and you glue it, you can’t fit the head in and your librarian will be headless. I was lucky enough to be able to get the parts apart but it was extremely stressful because the glue was drying.
Push fit is fine, but I tend to glue a lot of parts anyway, like heads I just glue and get rid of the peg because you can pose the head how you like. But push fit are also really good for sub assembly to make them way easier to paint, need to paint under that gun or under an arm? just pop the arm off again. Also fully agree on the Dreadnought, the Redemptor and similar chassis dreadnoughts, their legs are massively over complicated and fiddly.
The easiest way to solve the problem is to shave two opposite sides of the posts, though they should be moulded with groves in the posts to stop the build-up of hydrolic pressure, like you get on wooden dowels
100% agreed, Neurotyrant was a ballache to put together. For some awkward push-fit models I usually just snip the pegs down or off completely and then glue. Had to do that with a bunch of spindly Underworlds models as the pressure needed to click them in definitely would've caused damage.
If you dab glue in the hole and on the peg it lubricates/melts the plastic and the parts go together with almost no force. At least that was the case when building my leapers and psychophage.
i had to put the Space Marines for this box together for a commission... i had to use glue as the pushfit pins kept snapping off as soon as i would get them put together.
Got the Dominion box for AOS 2.0 it was all push fit. Tried it with a few of the minis, thought it was shit. So snipped off all the tabs and just glued them proper
Good alternative head I used for the Captain in terminator armour was a MKIII helm from the older horus heresy boxsets. Have to carve a notch out of the back to the sides a little to fit the details on the terminator. but its a solid fit.
My LT antenna bent so much it just didn't break but it doesn't want to go back into place properly. But over all I'm definitely happy with most of the push fit, also yes please spare helmet options
Yes. Yeeeeeees I find huge problems kitbashing my minis and making them fit the lore of my custom chapter since I don't want them using certain things to fit more the same story, and having to use super limited push fit models makes me have to be cutting and being clever (which I'm not) about how I'm going to be doing those cuts. They are really easy to approach and amazing if you use things like Tyranids which, they don't tend to offer too much customization, but for Space Marines, this problem make people not able to play anything more than Ultramarines or generic chapters without unique details
With the few Primaris I'v edone, I started to ust cut the push-fit parts off from the torsos because they're annoying. The arms I keep seperate to paint anyway. The old five man push-fit guardsmen squads usually fit together quite well but they were only two parts anyway, only occasionally needed some filing.
Ten years ago I started to cut the top of the push-fit pins to a pointed tip which really helps getting the models together without models getting stuck halfway. I wonder why GW never did something like that. Even just rounding the tips would help a lot; doing it by hand is a bit fiddly, especially with pins at odd angles.
I got lucky with my Leviathan stuff. Spare bits from other people's Leviathan boxes gets me my Captain with a propah helmet, my Librarian has a helmet from a spare Librarian helmet from another box, and I can kitbash a normal phobos lieutenant from the boyo from Leviathan. Still waiting on my box though..
My issue with some of the push fit models is no matter how much force you use there is still a gap, I've resorted to just cutting them off and gluing the models instead
a push fit problem for some intercessors is that the front torso pegs are to long for the back torso holes, i usually clip them down a bit to fix this but i shouldn't need to
I've built the space marine board game (20 termagants, titus, 2 ripper swarms) and the blood angels hero squad (also push fit) and so far haven't had these issues. Have had to glue a few things in place due to bad connections. Having built also morvenn vahl, sisters, skitarii, armigers, intercessors, and a number of other models from most factions (except necrons, though I did get a push fight necron as part of the start collecting magazine) I feel the answer with this is, all things in moderation, including moderation. I hated building arms that are 3 connection points. I hate the sewing pin head connection point of sisters. If you told me I could do those parts push fit, I would, in a heart beat. But I also loved posing my space marines in unique ways and the extra bits gave me enough to kitbash an ork war boss, so as I can see having both in a kit as a good for the parts that need it.
James Workshop said he push fitted my mum, what do I do
Exterminatus
Fortunately, no glue then. She’s fine.
Genuinely the best comment I have read in a long time XD
Nothing. James is the Warhammer 40,000
You snip off his peg and super glue him
How to build pushfit models:
Step 1: Cut all the push fit connectors off the model.
Step 2: Glue the models together.
Yeah. Thats how most people do it :D
Or even better; Step 1: Glue the models together. You don't need to cut off the connectors unless you're reposing the models in some way.
@@TheStargateNerd they easier to assemble without the connectors since you don't have to press them hard
@@oninoni You don't have to press them hard if you're gluing. The glue both lubricates the joint and expands the hole and narrows down the pin.
😂🤣😂🤣 correct!!!
You can get the best of both worlds if you use glue on your push fit models. The glue lubricates/melts the pins slightly, making them go together with almost no force while keeping the hassle free assembly. Also, having glue in the joints will help with closing any gaps by melting the plastic together and smooshing it into any gaps.
Snip the pins down a little to allow room for the glue so you don't end up with loosely fitted components.
This is the way. Extra thin tamiya cement, as well as slightly clipping the pins.
No shit, 'glue your models together' is your advice? Something folk have been doing for 35 years? Jesus, calm down Copernicus I think you're ahead of your time.
@@MoonshineSazeracthat must mean everybody has that much experience thanks for that absolute revelation there I was thinking that new players existed
I do that or just clip the pin off and glue if one’s giving me trouble, I really don’t understand why people are making a big deal out of this.
The push-fit dread is the best frame they’ve made in years. Absolutely beautiful.
The outside of legs doesn't quite line up (nothing filler and some spare purity seals can't cover), but I actually build Redemptor (kind of awful part matching, especially that front cockpit "flap"), Invictor (it was a lot better) and Brutalis (everything gone smooth together), and Ballistus being 1/10 parts of other models was pure joy to assemble.
Tho I would HIGHLY advise to use CA glue, acrylic putty (used Vallejo 70.400) and 400-1200 grit papers if you want to make it look truly good.
@@PeteOfDarkness I have 3 redemptors, still in the boxes :D
I got them for my Black Templars, but then couldn't decide how In wanted to paint them, so they are all still boxed. Also kind of procrastinating, building them as I know they are supposed to be pretty advanced kits for someone who hasn't built many vehicles before.
I also want to collect more bits to make them look more black templar. the issue with running an army like BT's is when you run the vanilla units, they look out of place in your army, unless you have a deep bits box.
thankfully with all the 3rd party bits from 3d printers, it's way easier than it used to be. You can even buy some full upgrade kits for Dreadnoughts. I have been trying to hold off buying this stuff though, as going to get my own printer. Will save so much by just printing my own bits.
that's the dream though, right. just being able to print off your own bits. every time I go to buy one though, I just end up with more minis :'D I swear, they call it "plastic crack" for a reason. In total I probably have around 6k+ points of unbuilt (nevermind, unpainted) stuff... TBH though I don't like building things till I'm ready to paint them.
they are for different armies though, not 6k, pile of shame for just one flavour.
Gunpla model kits are all push fit and the range of movement and detail you get with them is amazing. It is very much possible to get multipose push fit models with weapon options. However the engineering of the sprues/models has to be way better then it is now, which would most likely lead to smaller parts and more fiddling while building.
Hit the nail right on the head! Gunpla sprues are beautiful, little to no cleanup, undergating, reasonably placed mold lines.
GW sprues are absolutely disgusting. Massive frigging gates and usually placed in hard spots to clean up, like in between muscles.i feel like I'm sanding more than painting.
@@stevencolon1723 hell gunpla keep most of the parts you need on the same sprue. where i was working on a unit of chaos knights and the parts for the single model was split between 3 sprues.
@@flameknightdragon Omg dude, im currently building the KT starter set and the frigging squig was spread over 10 orks.
Yeah , GW has no excuse , you can absolutely have excellent push fit Kits
@@ulforcemegamon3094 I could almost excuse their push fit models being subpar, takes some trial and error. But they've been in this game(hah) for ages. I can understand if their gates have to be huge for whatever reason, but they really need to organize their frigging sprues
Damn you Paul, now I can't be productive for at least 8 minutes!
I like push-fit for one specific reason - I can sub-assembly to my heart's content by putting it together, priming, and then carefully pulling away whatever I need to get to places, and a good number of the models facilitates this. For example, I had no trouble painting the Screamer Killer's arms separately, and reaching the torso area and under the carapace properly. I will say though it feels like most of the pins are designed to be almost exact fits - and they almost never come out perfectly, so they are usually too long and/or have gribblies that make it impossible to fit them into their hole.
Yeah. . . Push-fit models can be a bit annoying sometimes. For me, it comes down to the connections for bodies. Since sometimes they make the peg big enough to just barely fit, and if you don’t apply alot of pressure, you get an ugly looking gap. Theres a reason more experienced people snip off the push-fit pegs and just glue them like regular models. I dont always do that since some of the parts are too tough to fit without the pins, but its at least an option for you to consider when building with push-fit kits in the future.
As for Leviathan. . . I've *definitely* started working on my Space Marine half. Its *definitely* not languishing in my cellar while I build the Necrons I've had for over a year and a half now. *Definitely~*
There is no need whatsoever to snip or shave down any pin. The glue lubricates nicely, even painted pins, and it is done.
The thing I'm most excited for is building Leviathan with my dad this weekend. Never knew he used to build models when he was a kid but now I cant wait
One of the reasons I got into warhammer was making airfix models with my dad. Have a good weekend! The video complains a lot but like all my videos they have a degree of hyperbole and I'm sure you and your dad will have a good time
When I was first getting into warhammer me and my dad made the dark imperium box and my dad said he used to play space hulk (a version of warhammer 40k to my understanding)
legend
A few weeks ago I bought the mid-tier starter box, space marines vs necrons, as a way to learn how 40k plays again, alongside my brother.
The bikes felt weird to push fit, but almost all of the necron stuff is terrifying to push fit due to how naturally thin they are.
I appreciate that this doesn't actually solve anything about pushfit, and there were definitely some parts I did just push, but I find when making pushfit models I just snip off the extra pegs and glue as usual, I just don't trust the pegs to stay together
I end up with gaps, doesn't seem to matter how hard I push. I just snip them off. I must admit the leviathan box was somewhat better in that regard over the indomitus box. Push fit is unreliable and therefore pointless in my opinion.
I was really happy to assemble the marines! Luckily had 3 extra sprue bits from squads i had already assembled, so i did a ton of cutting and shaving to customize guns and get some Imperial Fist Pauldrons on. They were fun and easy when i didnt want to do any other changes, but damn were they annoying to make even minor head changes and stuff on. I did snag a deffdread arm from a friend to get rid of the rocket launcher of the dread. Im very happy with what kitbashing i could do, but it was so much effort!
Lol I'm also an IF player. I too made many modifications. I was very pleased with how easily the Biologis shoulder was swapped. The combi-bolters are a bit of a conundrum.
You know you can just clip off the pins and glue the models together right?
Push fit is a great idea in theory but in practice there's always at least one connector you need to shave off, especially the ones attached to fragile spindly bits.
Man, that knock on the left side at 0:03 of the video creeped the heck out of me! I’m sitting alone at night, next to a window in a cabin we just rented.
Got a good jump out of it. 😂
I have yet to build my Leviathan
Box, but I am already debating if I should get the new ultimate starter box to get closer to 2000pts and complete with one or two additional units. It seems many people manage to give alternate poses by just clipping the pegs. I might try that for more variety of poses, but I do like pushfits for how quicker they are.
I love your edits! Your videos are so fun to watch as a new Warhammer Nerd!! I hope your channel keeps growing 😁
I often just ending up sniping the pegs and using glue on push-fit models anyway, otherwise I often end up with annoying gaps or having to force the model (which I am not comfortable doing with how pricy they are).
I am 100% with you on the dreadnought however, I build the Leviathan one and a regular Redemptor kit in the same week, I ended up swearing at the exact same leg joints you mentioned, with everything falling apart and fingers full of glue.
That editing is absolutely hilarious😂
I'm currently going through the Dominion Box for AOS. Gotta say push-fit models are a game changer for me, because I really don't like the "building" part of 40k and gluing especially.
One piece of advice though, if you're ever struggling with a part with too much resistance, try scraping the "push"part with a knife a little, it will reduce its size and make it easier to fit. And if it becomes too small to fit, just fill the "fit" part with a bit of glue.
Can confirm, sometimes shaving the pegs is helpful, if not necessary, to getting the pieces in place.
Also, figuring out where to apply pressure to get the pegs going in the direction of the slots, from the outside where you can't see the connections, is hard, right? I can't be the only one who assembled those Dominion models and was almost (or actually) bending pegs due to bad force alignment.
*Me when given push-fit models to work with.
instructions unclear PP stuck in cat.
I think the other big issue with push fit is that the slight warping that can happen on thin pieces (like you mention with the antenna) can be so obvious if that thin piece fits with something else structurally. I know, glue can fix it, but that's against the spirit of push-fit.
Paul, your video have quickly become something I actively look forward to and get really excited about when a new one drops. They're a pleasure, so thank you
Congratulations on ze built modeleedoodles. Also a truly grand question, how are push fit models?
Paul to pushfit model: Hey, you doing okay over there? 😂
For packaging errors just send GW an email. Didnt get one of the kits in a christmas box set, sent them an email, and they sent me one in the Mail for free
Thanks for the video Paul. I started putting together my Leviathan set today and was so annoyed by the push fit that I took a break. Now I know what to look out for.
Only disagreement is on Pushfit Dreadnoughts.....holy shit I am SO glad that most Dreadnoughts aren't just Pushfit. The Non-Pushfit Dreadnoughts are just sooooo much nicer and a lot more fun&cool because you can actually pose them and customize them.
Although yeah....all the Smol Fiddly Bits in the Contemptor&Leviathan Dreadnoughts are a bit annoying, but that's a minor bit of frustration I will happily accept in exchange for actually being able to fully customize my Minis.
I recommend you try building&painting each Plastic Dreadnought Kit and compare how much nicer looking the Non-Pushfit Dreadnoughts are.
Thank you very much for the new video on my birthday Paul :) I really do love your stuff, even if you’re bad at it.
Happy Birthday!
My first pushfit models were for a contemptor and redemptor dreadnoughts, both were pretty fine, I did like that I could do it without the glue, but it did push my wish for the mechs of 40k to be more like the gundams, were you could activly pose them with hinges and ball joints. Definitly would get more.
I always sand the pegs a bit because the fit is SOOOOOOOO tight, sanding it off a bit helps lessen that friction and smoothens the entrance
Those damn pointy Nids drew blood a few times. 😅
I literally came into youtube to put a video on while I assembled my first models of the box (the termagants) and this video was in the main page.
Your clip game is improving.
Love your videos. The humor always hits for me!
As someone that is brand new to Warhammer and model building altogether, I bought the Kill Team starter kit which was glue together and was gifted some Marines off the Leviathan box which were push fit.
If I hadn't put the push fit models together first I think I would have enjoyed building the glue models a lot less than I did. The Push-fit is a good starting point for a brand new person and I think they should probably include them in all the starter kits.
For all the valid problems you point out, I'd like to point out the counterpoint from the newbie perspective - I didn't know what load-outs I should be doing for my kill teams. The starter book not only doesn't give actionable advice to build the best teams, but if you follow their "starter missions" it requires you to build sub-optimal load-outs. If I hadn't done any research I'd have glued together a whole team of basic troops without half the specialists.
That's a fair point about the load-outs. I think the simplification of them in 10th does help but I know personally as well that not knowing what the best weapon to use or what weapons you can use is a bit annoying.
Also, heads up, for some weird reason your comment was flagged as spam. I have no idea why, but I had to manually approve it. Not sure if this is affecting any other comments on other channels you may have made.
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Interesting that it was marked spam. Probably because this is a new account I made just for Warhammer stuff. Thanks for the heads up.
The only things i kit bashed from the box was one of my Sternguard sergeants, one of my gravis apothecaries, and a couple of terminators, mainly swapping their arms around. For the sergeant, i wanted to add a beakie helm, so I trimmed down the neck plate, snipped off and retracted the gun’s arm sling and added a different shield to the chest.
I’ve got the stabby lieutenant and he snaps together quite nicely.
I’m glueing those models together
Can confirm from when I built the whole Kruleboyz half of the AoS Dominion box, push-fits are kind of frustrating. A real pain in the fingers, literally.
Quick additional tip: when they say you don't need glue, this isn't a suggestion. DO NOT USE SUPERGLUE ON PUSH-FIT MODELS UNLESS YOU HAVE TO. (Or you go the route of cutting the tabs off, obviously).
When I was building my Kruleboyz, adding superglue first only ever made the process _harder,_ to little or no real benefit. Friction alone would keep those pieces together in most instances. I was just so used to assembling with glue, I hadn't internalized that fact. I learned the hard way pieces preemptively locking in place half-way into fitting is a bad time. Thankfully, it all worked out in the end, but I had to take drastic measures to _undo_ problems I made myself.
Save yourself some headaches, and just trust the process. With how hard it'll be to get those pieces together all the way, they aren't coming off on their own. Be very selective about where the superglue goes on.
My advice with push fit, trim the peg back a Mm or 2 then cut the tip of the peg on a 45. With the full peg sometimes you’ll get air in there, and when you put the glue on will make an air pocket and force the pieces apart. You can also trim pegs completely and get some what if different pose
for the spikes in the base: I personally just use a hobby knife on the hex hole to widen it, like carve out the rim of it. makes it a bit easier to put in and im using some sort of basing paste anyway
The best way I’ve found to assemble pushfit models is using plastic cement to lubricate the holes (haha). Slides in perfect, holds its place, and if worst comes to worst you can just clamp the pieces together with a bit of cement in between whatever’s not connecting and boom, ez dubs.
Congrats Paul. You've now started a Nids army on top of your other ones :D
Cracker of a video again Paul, good job. 10/10 on the push fit spike rant. I adored that bit.
Bare heads with no helmet options is the biggest issue I have with this box.
Push fit models I trim a sliver off the end of the rods and then scrape the side of the rod to get an air gap, it stops the rods from pushing out and bottoming out. Usually end up gluing them anyway.
100% agreed on the Dreadnoughts! I built my first Redemptor this June and it had waaaay more pieces than I had thought. A week later, I got my Leviathan box and build the Ballistus. The difference in build time was incredible. And yet the level of detail is nearly the same.
Also, the lack of helmet options for three of the Space Marine characters was quite annoying.
Congrats on getting it done!
Also, "ITS A FUCKING SPIKE" Made me laugh harder than I have all day. Thank you sir 🤣
- Delta Sector
Ha! That spike piece got me too!
i agree the dreadnought put together like a dream and also yeah helmet all the way
Another thing that enraged me to no end. They left our 2 of the loyalist chapters. And OFC one of them is the Chapter i play. R.I.P Salamanders
If you snip off 1-2mm off the connection pegs they go together perfectly, and if you apply glue as you would on a normal model the seams get sealed too. I personally have no issues with pushfit, but I am aware that some people don't like 'em.
100% agree some good points and bad, I bought 2 lokhust heavy destroyers and primed them first. That was a bad idea the paint makes those tight gaps even worse!
got a like and sub from me just from the line "all dreadnoughts should be push fit". I like this guy.
I still used a bit of plastic glue and it went together very smoothly, and now it will never come apart. That said, I love the push fit design!
yeah it confused me so much how to attach the neurotyrants crown until I realized I had to force it through the body and just had to trust the plastic that it wont break.
For me there was a kind of shift up from below before pushing it in. Very tricky...
Just remove the "sticks" for push fit and then use glue I built 2 parts from the tyranids.
After doing that I could pose my second screamer killer diffrent.
To put something like the spike from the leapers in the base just use a paint brush or something else to press it in (it worked for me very well)
If you get a Wow-Stick and use the largest drill that comes with it in the peg holes it makes push-fit models a breeze to glue together.
Drill to widen hole in less than a second.
Glue together for a tight/snug fight with all the benefits of the peg design on things like 2 handed weapons.
There is no need whatsoever to drill wider holes of shave down any pins. The glue lubricates nicely, even painted pins, and it is done.
i loved putting together the Sm side of it honestly with my cigar and bourbon outside i was having a great time! but yah some of the push top fit stuff was wacky
Heres a gunpla tip. Shave the tip of the pegs down to a single, slight 45 degree angle if you have to force it. Itll make it so much easier to assemble and take apart. Dont go overboard though, otherwise you might have to glue it down.
I would like them
Paul you cannot put such a realistic knocking noise exclusively in the left speaker again! My study window is to the left and my headphones made it sound like someone was knocking on it. I jumped out of seat because I thought I had an intruder outside. XD
I'll be honest when I was editing this video I tricked myself with it every time I replayed that section so I had to put that evil on everyone else lmao
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff A true Drukhari player move
Me, watching this video as a stab my thumb pushing in the scenery part.... Woe is me
Loved the Grau reference, if you know you know 😂
Back near the beginning (great video btw xD) when you said you don't know why they are changing all the GW stores names to Warhammer, I actually talked to a store manager about that, he said its mostly because that's what they sell, some type of business reason I'm sure, but when your new to Warhammer, you might not look at a store that says GW or Games Workshop, sure it sounds like a hobby store but seeing a building directly say Warhammer might bring in more customers or at the very least direct people to it.
just wanted to post that, might help others understand as well.
I have push fit Nighthaunts. I had to pry the first one apart just to paint it.
I haven't started painting it. For several years
If in doubt snip the cylinder bits where you push them in and get some sticky love on it and boom no longer push fit thing.
For parts that hurt your fingers or take a little more force to get into the base, try to use your clippers to gently hold 2 sides close to the base, and then push down
It is funny that the easiest way to put together push fit models is to put glue on the pegs so they slide in better.
Thanks Paul
I could have sworn that the spiky bit to fill the unused hole in the base has been around since at least third edition. If it wasn't a Tyranid claw, then it was a spiky tuft of grass or something.
I love push fit models
I play Underworlds, so pushfit is a regular occurence (btw protip: buying 4-model Underworlds bands is a great way to keep the yearning for new armies under control). Always end up just clipping off the pegs and assembling as normal. I don’t trust my hand strength to push hard enough to not leave gaps.
I bought the termies from ebay and I fucking love them. I'm kitbashing one of them to be a Deathwing Strikemaster by giving him a cape and I added a sword codpiece thing from one of the Deathwing terminator torsos onto the belt.
I was so happy to get leviathan. I was like yeah... push fit. So I open the box and began to remove the contents. At the bottom of the box was about 20 broken pegs , 3 loose heads rolling around in there and a few arms. Sighs 😕 . At least I've gotten it all built.
I put the leviathan dread together and legit told myself "oh thank God it's just a couple of pieces for the legs"
4:28 as someone who has…..memories of building the Necron Royal Warden, I knew exactly where you were going with that.
Wow. It's me literally all the video 😂
I didn’t buy leviathan but I did buy some termagaunts and the winged tyrant of eBay cause they were cheap, and I actually loved that they were push fit, I’d never done it before but it was just so nice to know I didn’t have to worry about glue and I could get them done so quickly.
Basically it’s the first time I’ve ever actually had fun during the building part of the model cause usually the stress of glue looms over the process
Honestly kinda made me wish that they made a lot more models push fit cause they could still include weapons options and if people really wanna’ kit bash they still could cut off the plug and repose the arms
I almost head a headless librarian because I did in fact use glue. The Captain you put on the head on after you put the body together. Than immediately after they send you to build the librarian which if you forget to but the head in between the body and you glue it, you can’t fit the head in and your librarian will be headless. I was lucky enough to be able to get the parts apart but it was extremely stressful because the glue was drying.
Push fit is fine, but I tend to glue a lot of parts anyway, like heads I just glue and get rid of the peg because you can pose the head how you like. But push fit are also really good for sub assembly to make them way easier to paint, need to paint under that gun or under an arm? just pop the arm off again. Also fully agree on the Dreadnought, the Redemptor and similar chassis dreadnoughts, their legs are massively over complicated and fiddly.
The easiest way to solve the problem is to shave two opposite sides of the posts, though they should be moulded with groves in the posts to stop the build-up of hydrolic pressure, like you get on wooden dowels
Astral dreadnought as a pile of shame is genius
I can't have enough of this channel
100% agreed, Neurotyrant was a ballache to put together.
For some awkward push-fit models I usually just snip the pegs down or off completely and then glue. Had to do that with a bunch of spindly Underworlds models as the pressure needed to click them in definitely would've caused damage.
If you dab glue in the hole and on the peg it lubricates/melts the plastic and the parts go together with almost no force. At least that was the case when building my leapers and psychophage.
i had to put the Space Marines for this box together for a commission... i had to use glue as the pushfit pins kept snapping off as soon as i would get them put together.
I glued them together and the pieces that were at risk of being damaged when i was pushing in, i just cut the inside pieces off and glued normally.
Got the Dominion box for AOS 2.0 it was all push fit. Tried it with a few of the minis, thought it was shit. So snipped off all the tabs and just glued them proper
good man!
Good alternative head I used for the Captain in terminator armour was a MKIII helm from the older horus heresy boxsets. Have to carve a notch out of the back to the sides a little to fit the details on the terminator. but its a solid fit.
My LT antenna bent so much it just didn't break but it doesn't want to go back into place properly. But over all I'm definitely happy with most of the push fit, also yes please spare helmet options
Yes. Yeeeeeees
I find huge problems kitbashing my minis and making them fit the lore of my custom chapter since I don't want them using certain things to fit more the same story, and having to use super limited push fit models makes me have to be cutting and being clever (which I'm not) about how I'm going to be doing those cuts. They are really easy to approach and amazing if you use things like Tyranids which, they don't tend to offer too much customization, but for Space Marines, this problem make people not able to play anything more than Ultramarines or generic chapters without unique details
With the few Primaris I'v edone, I started to ust cut the push-fit parts off from the torsos because they're annoying. The arms I keep seperate to paint anyway. The old five man push-fit guardsmen squads usually fit together quite well but they were only two parts anyway, only occasionally needed some filing.
Ten years ago I started to cut the top of the push-fit pins to a pointed tip which really helps getting the models together without models getting stuck halfway. I wonder why GW never did something like that. Even just rounding the tips would help a lot; doing it by hand is a bit fiddly, especially with pins at odd angles.
😂❤ I don't think many people managed to impale themselves to be fair
"I'll paint them in next... 20 years"
Only if I didn't feel that deep within my soul.
All of my content just exists to pierce directly into the souls of procrastinating hobbyists
I got lucky with my Leviathan stuff. Spare bits from other people's Leviathan boxes gets me my Captain with a propah helmet, my Librarian has a helmet from a spare Librarian helmet from another box, and I can kitbash a normal phobos lieutenant from the boyo from Leviathan.
Still waiting on my box though..
My issue with some of the push fit models is no matter how much force you use there is still a gap, I've resorted to just cutting them off and gluing the models instead
As of today I finished painting the tyranid half, I will start the space marine half saturday if weather is good enough for priming
you weren't the only one who ended up being short on bases a mate of mine was also shorted on bases
I really liked the push fit, didn't have a problem.
a push fit problem for some intercessors is that the front torso pegs are to long for the back torso holes, i usually clip them down a bit to fix this but i shouldn't need to
I've built the space marine board game (20 termagants, titus, 2 ripper swarms) and the blood angels hero squad (also push fit) and so far haven't had these issues. Have had to glue a few things in place due to bad connections. Having built also morvenn vahl, sisters, skitarii, armigers, intercessors, and a number of other models from most factions (except necrons, though I did get a push fight necron as part of the start collecting magazine) I feel the answer with this is, all things in moderation, including moderation. I hated building arms that are 3 connection points. I hate the sewing pin head connection point of sisters. If you told me I could do those parts push fit, I would, in a heart beat. But I also loved posing my space marines in unique ways and the extra bits gave me enough to kitbash an ork war boss, so as I can see having both in a kit as a good for the parts that need it.