The QUEEN Had Seen It ALL Before…! Who LEAKED? Harry & Meghan’s Exit Examined
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After looking into it a little more closely I think the leak came from somewhere else!
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I love that all the leaking and planting that Harry says he hates is actually coming from inside his house.
It’s like that horror movie when we were kids…”the calls coming from inside the house” 😂
LOL right!
He has no self awareness.😂
@@thevintagereadLol , me too. It would make some wxcellent memes also
I've *always* thought that Meghan was the one doing the leaking.
The Queen had the measure of Meghan. She was a very wise lady.
Very wise and always doing her duty.
So what exactly did QE2 plan and do to manage the situation as it progressed?
@@rogermartin8435 what she did which was to protect the monarchy from commercialisation. She was the Queen and had to chose the Country’s interests over family which she always did.
@@Fayreangel good point
@@Fayreangelthe audacity of those two bottom dwellers.
I keep thinking of something Harry said. My family always knew Megan would leave. They just didn't think I'd go with her. Followed by that smirk he gives when he thinks he's landed a blow against the opposing team. I believe Harry when he says he hasn't been changed by Megan. He was a wolf in sheep's clothing for years. Biding his time until he could unleash his fury at all the wrongs he's endured. I think Megan was a means to an end. But angry people rarely have long term planning capabilities. Just me thinking out loud. But it kind of explains a few things.
I think we can all see for ourselves now that Buckingham Palace covered up a heck of a lot of Spare’s loathsome behaviour.
@@enkisdaughter4795 I agree.
Yes I made a video about that, he used her as a weapon in some ways I believe.
@@thevintageread I'm a recent subscriber. I'll have to look for that one. Thanks!
Yes, he was using her to accomplish his true intentions, while she in fact was using him for her own agenda. Like I’ve said before, they are both similar in their destructive nature. Funny thing is that neither accomplished their true agendas but instead cancelled each other out. Harry knew all along how she was and made the conscious decision to go along with it in order to get what his jealousy, anger, and ego wanted and she provided the means and weapon used him.
( This is all my opinion based on speculation)
My mum worked on a toll road years ago, she was told a royal was coming and to lift the barrier when the come through. Anyhoo, she wasnt told it would be someone on a motorbike so when Harry rocked up she didnt know it was him. He told her to quote "open the fing barrier, do you not know who i am". She told him no because he was wearing a helmet, realised who it was and opened the barrier. I've not liked him since then, Megan has just helped show the world what an arrogant little upstart he his.
What an entitled idiot!
I find it sad that Harry appeared to project his anger onto those who had been there all his life. He trusted someone he'd known five minutes! So who did leak it out?! Mmmmm
He thinks with his little head! 🤯. No true loyalty & now he is losing everything & showing his true personality since losing the Queens ability to cover for him! Same with Andrew. Spoiled, immature brats!
Could have been anyone. They treated their staff as well as the palace's staff so badly, that loyalty from anyone, especially their immediate staff did not exist. I do not blame anyone who had been bullied by them wanting to make some extra cash by selling information to the media. I would not put it past Meghan to have leaked it some how, knowing that it would anger Harry against his family .
@@marianac715 Meghan/one of her 'friends'... comes to mind first as 'the leak' as this would cinch the deal on any 'return or half way in/out' for them!! I don't think she wanted to stay once they made their plans and Canada was never part of Her plan let alone any other Commonwealth country!
Meghan never understood the commercialism of the Monarchy. Yes, the Palaces, the Tower etc sell souvenirs etc but that $$$$ does Not go into the hands of the Royals but pays for the upkeep of said Palaces, Tower etc. Meghan just would not allow 'HER' to be seen and not get paid, simple as that!
@marianacarris3310 I think that is exactly what happened. Meghan wanted Harry to turn against his family. That's what Narcissists do: They isolate you from everyone you care about and make you believe that they are the only one that you can trust. It made it easier to take him to California, which was always her true plan.
He’s always had anger issues and was resentful from childhood way before his mum died.
IT has always been obvious to me that megan via a third party does the leaking, she pushed Harry into announcing they were dating when they met, she dropped hints via the bananas on her Instagram, she wore the necklace with H and M and was conveniently papped , she walked back and forth the daily mail office trying to getpapped , she knows how to play the game . Imo
Oh yes! A talent she has 😂
Scheming is what she tends to work at best, instead of working on her acting skills...😊😊😊😊
She’s a blackmailer and it’s what she does best.
Don’t you just love it when overly confident people have a tendency to paint themselves into a corner.
@@karenrobson1584Every single time!
Whether H&M dating, possible engagement, crazy stories about movie offers, designers, awards, megxit, the children, Montecito mansion, Netflix, Spare, interviews, pap walks, car chase, any “security” issue, etc.
It’s always ever been Meghan playing her games calling papa and leaking stories with Harry being a willing partner. Harry might not have been aware that Meghan was the one pulling the strings BUT he has to be aware what she is capable of.
@@erinobrien8793...Henry literally said "She is capable of anything" He didn't realize how true those words would be. 😮
@@karenrobson1584---There may be a fine line between what MM believes ‘Speak it into BEING.’
Positive thinking is one view but it could easily become delusional and she’s a great example of either not being insightful enough, to tell the difference. Or she prefers fantasy to boring old real life.
I am glad the queen checked the meeting room for bugs. Shows she was no fool.
I think the person who leaked the leaving story was the same person who told the papers they were at Tylers Perrys! Got her name all over it. She throws things out into public domain in the hope that people will be cowed into doing what she wants as they will be too scared to backpedal on what she has reported. Luckily it has never worked and now everyone sees through them. With regards to Harrys temper, I think that is more to do with the fact that it was probably the first time in his life he hadnt been allowed to have his own way. The tantrums and destruction we saw from him is what he always did to get his own way but this time it was in front of the whole world and this time it didnt work! After all if they had gone along with the half in half out idea Harry wouldnt have cared who reported on it. Definitely a big boy having a tantrum because Daddy and Granny said No. And thats why He wouldnt visit the Queen. Spite!
Yes he didn’t get told no often enough!
@thevintageread I wish I could give this statement a thumbs up for each time he should have been told "NO". I can't fathom how much this difficult parental task would have helped Harry become a better man.
I have a friend who cannot understand how 2 of her children are angels and one is really a problem. Same household same parents. Kinda like why is William so different from Haz.
Yes I know that happens, just like a dreadful family can have an angel. Diana knew there was something wrong with him and maybe thats why they gave in to him all the time. And of course being a Prince so did everyone else. Its the luck of the genes to some extent. I wonder what He would have been like if He lived on an estate and had no special treatment. It is known He was a bully, maybe if he had got thumped back by someones older brother He may have thought twice. Or He could have been the same and ended up in jail! We shall never know.@@marybusch6182
@@marybusch6182birth order does contribute.
What you’ve (re)discovered is Meghan’s conniving. I believe she had a plan and an agenda from the moment she got the proposal she worked for, and that plan never included staying in England and serving the monarchy. It was always about leveraging and monetizing her newly acquired title. The RF should have seen it coming after having scolded her a few times prior to the wedding for taking photos of places and people that were off-limits.
remember it is quoted that she said about her new relationship with Harry, "this could have legs" - if that is not conniving not sure what is.
They knew but allowed to happen because of Harry Black mailing them
I would say everyone in the RF saw it coming except for one person.
It will never cease to amaze me how over confident they were of their personal 'worth' to the RF. Looking at their current situation, I just cant see how it is any less stressful or any less provoking of 'un-alivinement' by Meghan than it was being in the UK. Surely even they can now admit that leaving wasnt their brightest idea? Some days I think of all the stuff written about them and wonder how it could have been worse if they stayed? Off tangent there a bit, sorry. And I also think of how much hurt they must have caused the Queen with their exit, especially coming so soon after losing her husband.
Yes a lot for her to deal with ❤
I believe worse if they stayed.
Meghan couldn’t get past wanting to be number one. The queen and Katherine would always out shine her. She couldn’t get past being told where and when to be somewhere. Her intentions were to take Harry to Hollywood once she learned how easy it was to manipulate him. Meghan wasn’t an innocent Dianna, she was a mature women with life experiences and on her own. She is/was money hungry and made plans to monetize their Royal titles. In essence, she has never had the qualities to fit into British society let alone the monarchy.
Meghan psychologically is not suited for a life of service in or out of the royal family. If Harry had given their courtship time it would have become evident. Harry has been keeping score of all the times that he didn't get what he wanted or do what he wanted, blaming it all on him being the victim. From the way both Harry and Meghan treated the people around them, they did not inspire any loyalty from either the palace or their personal staff so no surprise that anyone would have turned to the press for some easy cash. There really is no justification for their behavior. They were paying a lot of people to guide and advise them. However they bot have such an exaggerated sense of their superiority, they obviously listened to no one. Both were raised indulged and entitled with no sense of accountability. Given that they are now middle age, perhaps it's time for that lesson. Without learning that they will be doomed torepeating mistakes until the lesson is learned. You reap what you sow.
Meghan *never* planned to stay in the UK and be a working royal. No Meghan wouldn't be better off staying in the UK, but Harry definitely would have been. I still think that Meghan going to the Invictus games is part of the upcoming divorce agreement.
Totally agree with your synopsis of what went on with regards to Harry & Meghan and their attempt to manipulate the Queen . Harry may have been aware he was the Queens favourite grandchild, but he must have been totally unaware of what a very wise, shrewd and astute woman she was.
I don’t buy that he was “the Queen’s favourite grandchild “. The Queen is nowhere on record as saying that. She was the type of woman who would have held all of her grandchildren in the same affection. No favourites. This is a media puff piece.
@@abbeyshell23absolutely agree. just because he is more in the news than others. then diana died so they would have been closer then. people believe whatever the press put out hook line and sinker. he was the biggest nuisance.
Always thought that was such an insensitive presumptuous claim - image how the other grandchildren felt but then it doesn't appear he cares about hurting other people
@@abbeyshell23I never knew he actually said this out loud. That is not a normal person who would say this. Was that in his book?
@abbeyshell23 me neither. I did hear a journalist say Peter Philips was the favourite, but she was also close to Lady Louise. I would imagine, like most grandparents, she loved them all.
Let's see...when she was a nobody she begged the tabloids to print news about her, when she was a mediocre actress she called the paps on her all the time, when she was dating Harry she hinted about the relationship everywhere she could, when they were in Canada she leaked the location because it was never her intention to stay there, when they were at Tyler Perry's she leaked again because she was fed up of being in other people's houses and she wanted her own castle so she had to force Harry into buying a house for "security" reasons ( Tyler served the purpose though , he saved the poor damsel in distress ) so who do you think leaked the Megxit plans? She is the one who sabotages everything so she can complains all the time...
Too coincidental and it achieved the desired effect as far as Meghan is concerned. She thought they had more influence over the family than she had and by driving a wedge between Harry and his family, she got what she wanted.
Yes, indeed she took him right into profitable divorce land, with as a bonus the fact that there she would be the star she never was...
Harry was not fobbed off.
He was told over and over again to put their needs & wants on paper.
They refused - wanting to make points verbally.
That is why neither Charles nor the Queen stopped taking their calls.
Their posting that Manifesto was unforgiveable.
They did believe Granny & Pa would not have the hutspa to say "no" to any points.
The cheek.
Not "hutzpa". The word is *Chutzpah*. Don't try to use big words if you don't know how to spell them.
Agreed but comment sections are ripe with this behavior.
@@Rumkitty2000 No problem with you correcting, but the insult shows a lack of class since we are in correction mode.
They *didn't* stop taking his calls, or they did? If they kept telling him to put it in writing and he wouldn't, then it seems to me that the only way to finally get him to comply would be to do exactly that so that he'd have to put it in writing in order for HM & PC to talk to them. Did I get it right?
@@textrue9088 "Correction mode" Correction mode for what?
Regarding my correction, people should realize how stupid it makes them look when they try to use words they don't even know how to spell. It also shows that they don't know or understand the source of the word.
After the fact, in the interviews and book, PH makes it clear that him and MM could run everything better and how popular they were. The arrogance, pride, self promotion and then the ignorance of the bigger picture on the world stage and how they were a small part. Such a disaster of their own making.
The spare and his wife thought they were in a position of power - pffft!
Just as a side note, being that I’m Canadian, we didn’t want Harry and Meg to stay here. No thanks.
Your reasoning makes perfect sense to me. I have always thought that the Sussexes overvalued themselves and really thought they would get whatever they wanted from the RF. Meghan never intended to live in Canada and was just biding her time looking for an excuse to land in California. Too many people knew too much about her in Toronto and Vancouver Island. You put the pieces together beautifully for this episode. You would have made a great detective!
Bottom line, Shauna and all, they are simply horrible, self-centered, opportunistic people. They deserve each other and all the mess that comes to them through their actions.
They are just awful people 😣😩
Your timeline reconstruction is brilliant. I think you are on to the facts and have seen beyond the spin.
Expert forensic analysis worth listening to several times! Bravo
Wow, thank you!
That's what's so amazing about your channel, that you've read all those books and articles and you've watched the doco so attentively. This finding of the discrepancy in the timelines is big and incriminates the Harry and Meghan camp.
Harry and Meghan are indeed paid to turn up for things. I didn't know that about Edward and Wallis and it's such a sad way of living. It tells me once again how shortsighted Harry is, and how unwilling to listen and learn. I'm convinced queen Elizabeth will have tried to tell him. Harry's behaviour is simply infuriating, and no he doesn't get a pass.
I do wonder what we can expect after the memorial service for QEII and the Invictus Games.
Yes it will be interesting.
I have always believed that Meghan was the "leaking" and "planting". Excellent analysis as always Shauna!!!
Probably saw themselves as playing Royalty in Canada.
Probably!
Another well researched video. Love how you pull together the information from different sources & get the time line pulled together. It makes sense without all the clutter/noise and you present it as an unbiased interpretation. I always felt like mm was the leak from early on, before they were even engaged, when she wanted things to go her way or to force her agenda. Btw - I think you would make a great criminal investigator!!
Love a good mystery! 😂
Sounds like someone threw a rock, then hid their hands 🤔
Imo H & M always thought, even before their wedding, their plan of the 50/50 would be approved.
They were angry and are still angry, they were told No that isn’t the way the BRF works.
It was always a power play from the moment he brought her home. Harry always felt powerless (for many reasons). All of a sudden he had something to hold over them; the race card. Then followed the inflated importance fueled by the press that Meghan was modernizing the monarchy. He finally felt important.
Harry seems very adept at the spin of the press. He's stated it more than once. It has become his whole life. What makes you think he wasn't aware? Nothing I have seen indicates that except for his spin. He never corrected her in those interviews/series. And then turned it on the press saying they accused the family of being racist. How convenient, Harry, You don't feel responsibility for that.
These two deserve each other.
I believe the current obsession of them in the press is fueled by them. They could go away but consistently have so-called sources leak bs to the news outlets. Some of which have direct relations with the PR team.
They could go away but choose the reality show.
You are spot on with the dates - hopefully Harry will discover the truth one day. I’m sure all he wanted was the quiet life in a Commonwealth country but unbeknownst to him his lovely new wife wanted the highlife in Hollywood… it’s like watching a car crash in slow motion!
Queen Elizabeth swept the room for bugs, but I want to know if she found any.
Ooh good point!
Imagine a family member that untrustworthy you have to do that
There is no doubt in my mind that the dripping tap of leaked information came from MM. She was determined to get her way by any means, and seriously thought that she could out manoever the staid RF. The release of their 'Exit' statement was definitely a ploy to get their way. Backfired luckily!
You really do your research Shauna, you take the time to read everything relevant, take notes, observe and dissect it to us, and you do it brilliantly ❤ I haven't read Jobson's book because he is quite biased regarding Charles but I do agree with him on many occasions and respect him as a journalist. I would totally be interested in you reviewing other books too, like classic old literature but some of the many less known. You give great tips and I love your insight ❤
Thank you x
The isn't a Royal bio/book out there that isn't loose with facts and biased one way or the other regarding Charles. Jobson is actually one of the more knowledgeable and balanced of the lot.
I very much agree regarding Shauna and too would like to see her take on the books in other figures.
I wish he'd fall in to the fact it was that awful woman he married doing all the briefing and leaking.
Hi, Shauna! Thank you for your review. I’ve been following Harry and Meghan’s story for years. In my opinion, the real reason Harry is so mad at his father has to do with the fact that Charles cut off Harry’s salary after one year and, most importantly, cut off paying for their security. Harry even complained about it on the Oprah interview. Lady C says that this is the real reason why Harry is so angry, and I agree. It’s all about the money. Can you please address the monetary aspect? Love your channel! You are delightful! ❤️
Yes. I absolutely agree with you. I was just suggesting that Shauna say all the things that you just said. 😊
the security is not up to the Royal Family, the money comes from the British treasury, no matter how important Harry feels it is, I can not see how the British Government would have the approval of the British people to spend their tax dollars on a remote Royal in the United States. ParticularIy as they see him grifting off his title. I just can't.
That and QEll didn't cave to the half in/half out. He wasn't used to being told no.
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Yes, I know. But Harry wanted his security paid for, even if it came from Charles’ own money. He said how mad he was about it on Oprah. He’s an immature spoiled brat.
I love you reviews on the Prince and Princess of Canada 🇨🇦 they are truly the Prince and Princess of Delusion 😂
I enjoy all of the insightful comments and reviews that you make on the various topics. Your hard work shows through in everything you post.
Love from Canada 🇨🇦 ❤️
Thank you so much!!
I get the reference to South Park, but please. They are not our prints and princess. Just coming from someone who is Canadian.😂 😂😂😂😅
H and wife, through their insatiable need for attention and their dishonesty have become the most publicly hated couple in the world. Appreciate your research.
Yeah, I always thought that Harry and Meghan were trying to hold the queen hostage with their proposal. They were that confident about their indispensability to the royal family that they thought the queen, Charles and William would have no choice but to agree to their terms. To their mind, they had a very succesful Oz and African tour and that they were more popular than the queen. Didnt they mention about being a bit embarassed that the headlines of the papers were them and not the queen? When the queen called their bluff, I think thats when Harry and Meghan started finding who and what to blame for not getting the queen's assent.
Letting out steam sounds like a nice way of saying Charles was used to Harry having temper tantrums.
There is early 2000s footage of Charles 'dealing' with Harry having a polo fit. It's clear Charles has seen that behavior many times before.
H / m thought they were more popular than the true Royals and the Royals would beg them to come back so they would get their own way. M only wanted to monetize the family for her own pocket. The Family finally saw what she was doing better late than never. You can't use the Palace for monitory gain. I personally do not wanted the Royals to change centuries of customs and traditions. All this woke rubbish dilutes the Monachy. They do damn good work for the public as a whole and their charity work is 2nd to none. KC3 has done an enormous amount in the last 50 years but you really have to hunt for the information.
It was obvious to us in Canada that the plan was to move to California. Canadian taxpayers would not pay for security to anyone no longer part of the Royal Family.
The fact when Covid hit, the borders were about to close, they didn’t waste anytime in getting to the US. To be stuck in Canada was not their plan.
Hmmmm. Great detective work! Interesting how Harry was furious with his family ... assuming they 'leaked' the terms of Sandringham, when the only other option was Meghan. And in fact, he was again furious with his family for 'leaking' their intended move to Africa, which had to be (conveniently for Meghan) abandoned, in favor of Canada and later Los Angeles, thanks to Tyler Perry. Isn't it amazing how it all ended up exactly the way Meghan wanted it to go? Harry chooses instead to blame his family - but none of these leaks were to their benefit whatsoever. It was all only helpful to Meghan's plan.
I so grateful to lockdown for one thing only - it stopped these two and rendered them dead in the water Had they been able to hit the ground running in the USA , im certain they would have done even more damage than they have
I agree 100%
The common denominator for leaks coming from the RF is Harry's Wife.
Aside from their now known personalities, I think H&M were looking for reasons to be offended right from the start. If they were different people, they could have followed a family pattern to ease into Royal duties. The Queen (Princess Elizabeth) and Prince Philip had a couple of 'private' years in Malta when he was in the Navy. William and Catherine had their private time in Anglesea when William worked search and rescue before coming back to Royal duties. There is no reason why H&M couldn't have done the same if they really wanted to, but unfortunately that was never part of M's plan.
You are spot on. MM set him up and ruined his trust to his brother and father.
Mmmm check out the story dropped recently about how MM was intercepted at Dorfman Theater after rejecting a meeting request from HM saying she had an important meeting with the charity patronage she was given by HM. "By strict orders of the Queen" the meeting was canceled. The Queen's aides were sent to physically remove MM from the premesis and escort her to military base (assumed) where the (then) Earl and Countess of Wessex were waiting to assure she boarded an aircraft bound to Canada. Apparently MM's engagement ring was also confiscated. Apparently HM wanted to have Diana's stones removed so MM couldn't take them out of the UK. It is said that MM is suspected of criminal activity and upon refusal to meet with the Queen, HM arranged to have her immediately moved out of the UK, and allowed PH and MM to exit the country and Royal duties under the premise of "stepping back to carve out their own way independently" to save face. The very next day is when the news broke and formal announcements were made. Again, all just a story but there are numerous photos of this inception at Dorfman Theater where MM clearly does not have her ring on and is being handled by the Queen's aides.
I was aware of the rejected meeting with the Queen, I think Meghan was worried about facing her…however the rest I have not been able to verify. I do not believe the rest to be frank, it is far removed from how the Queen would operate!
You cracked me up when you had a laugh about the delicious piece of shade from Mr Jobson referencing infertility, baldness & relationship problems!! Thanks for your super sleuth analysis!
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YES!!! Delicious piece of shade 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Inspector Clouseau, you really are quite amazing 😂
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According to Celt ViewsMeghan was kicked out by the Queen when Meghan refused to meet with her after her horrible behavior in Australia.Meghan was greeted by Bodyguards her rings taken put on a plane headed toward Canada where Edward&Sophie were waiting to make sure she got on.Harry soon after made his Megxit speech.Meghan thought she was above the Queen,and her Majesty let her know who had the Power.This was a rare move by Queen Elizabeth who had had it with such behavior,and commanded her authority to have someone removed in such a way.Harry&Meghan didn't leave voluntarily.Meghan was removed,and Harry was left a choice,and we all see where that choice has led him!
Yes I’m aware but I don’t agree with that theory 💗
It makes sense in the fact that Harry keeps demanding an apology to Meghan from the Royal Family.That could be why..Celt Views as Lady C has reliable sources.Just the whole Megxit scenario was sudden,and also would explain all that Sophie tension when she had to carpool babysit Meghan! The Queen was certainly no fool maybe she truly put her foot down...?
This was so good and I am sure that the Royals (save two in California) have long since noted these discrepencies. The trouble is the palace cannot officially get into pointing out "little details" like this without looking as if they are on the back foot and being petty or reactive. You are good work bringing out that Harry's impulsive outrage should have been directed towards the leak from the journalist who visited them - he interprets everything according to how it affect him, and helps his victim feelings to blame the men in grey, or Camilla. And, I do remember my mother telling me that there was always gossip coming out of New England's elite about paying the Duke of Windsor to come to their dinner parties.
You were so nice when you pointed out that Thomas Markle didn"t help Samantha in life !
Yes, why Didn't he??.
That's not true though...Samantha and Thomas Markle jnr were on a live on Paula M channel last night and Samantha spoke about how much their father helped them out alot when they were younger
I agree, great point by her 👍 Thomas Sr has admitted it himself in several occasions both willingly and inadvertently when telling about Meghan's childhood and the family dynamics.
It's not uncommon for people like Samantha in this instance to sort of rewrite history a bit, in favour of Thomas Sr and also for herself. She has previously said it herself quite a different version than she did last night. It happens. Just saying 🤲
Edit I think she might be fed up with the repeated narrative of her being less loved and valued than Meghan as Thomas's daughter. It can hurt, when everyone is talking about your childhood in public.
@@sharonwelsh8907i heard them say that also. Yes Thomas absolutely spoiled Megan. But Samantha and Thomas have said with the age difference the father was in a different financial place raising them and could not afford to do all that with them-even if he wanted to. They were still taken care of though -more of a lower middle class upbringing .
Although I’m sure they watched while he spoiled her so badly. They said she never ever paid for anything and got anything she wanted. That’s a recipe for disaster.
It’s quite normal to help out your younger children…..especially when they come years later. You’re usually just in a better financial position. Not complicated at all. And if there has been a divorce…..the parent often feels a bit guilty….and overcompensates.
You watched that thing more than once? You deserve a medal.
I got a good giggle recently when I heard someone on RUclips come up with "The Viper and the Vapid." How appropriate! So terribly sad for Queen Elisabeth, who could have spent her last 2 years in peace after 70 years of dutiful and dignified service without Prince Philip, her strongest support. Both of them are beyond tacky, beyond abominable. No surprise there! I remember the time when The Spare's shameful shenanigans used to bring him general sympathy and smiles; no wonder he thought he was entitled to about anything and could get away with it. He learned nothing about honour during his 10 years of army service. Awful!
Recollections always seem to vary with MM & H!!🫣🤯😝🤣
They seem to vary between H&M!
@@enkisdaughter4795Also, each Harry and Meghan's vary with his/her own from comment to comment (and there is decades of actual documentation opposed to Harry's newfound "truth").
I don't think that there is any question that the leaks started with M. Whether he was aware at the time is debatable. I think he is aware now.
I believe the Queen was so adamant in her position was because she had Ms number.
Delightful analysis as always.
I love your analysis of all these sources and how you piece them all together! Having read the Traitor King I was also struck how H&M’s lives are mirroring the Duke and Duchess of Windsor’s, it puts me in mind of Sir Walter Scott’s ‘Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive’! X
Indeed! That is a fabulous book isn’t it!
@@thevintageread Perhaps a review in the waiting? Alongside Tom Bower's / Lady C's book/s?
Might be a bit of fun 🤭
I also read the traitor king and noticed a lot of comparisons I also wonder how different the duke and Duchess of Windsor would have been if they had social media 😦
@@maureenmoran5465 that is an interesting thought! I can imagine Wallis, with her love of fine jewellery and clothes, being a social influencer. I wonder what her ‘Tig’ would have been called? I Googled her favourite drink, apparently the Duke of Windsor invented a cocktail for her called the Wallis Blue, so perhaps it would have been called ‘The Blue’! 🤣
Brilliant Critical Thinking !
Re Harry’s free passes, I have thought from time to time that her behaviour is so very dreadful it’s easy to assume Harry is the “better” person. It’s too easy to forget that he is every bit as mean, nasty, untruthful and greedy as she is.
100% agree. No backbone! I mainly call out Harry’s behaviour in 90% of my vids
Well. Done analysiert!! Share with. The dan!
The levels of deceit, manipulation, lying and cruelty are stunning and persistant over many years. They keep the game up and up. For what? these are not world wars or peace agreements they are promoting- they are just strategies to get richer. Why? It seems unhinged.or is there more?
Shauna, You are so great with your search and making it so accessible for your viewers, thanks so much! The late Queen was such a wise woman, she had a good sense of H & M's playbook. I've read a biography of Wallis and I think MM lost some context in comparing herself to Diana and Wallis. Wallis married a King and Diana married the heir to the throne. MM position could never equal either of these ladies, for some reason she thought she was equivalent to Catherine, Princess of Wales.
Great observation!
Sleeping with the enemy? I wonder if Harold sleeps with one eye open? Bugger me, I would!!.
Brilliant analysis as always! Thank you Shauna ❤ Have yourself a beautiful day 😊
Same to you
There was a story that the Queen Mother had been given a bugged Samovar by “the Russians” and that the Secret Service took it away from her sitting room at Balmoral. ❤
That is amazing!
ALL leaks start in Sussex 😎
My take-aways: 1) Sparry (since meeting MM?) jockeys for position and has no compunction stretching the truth (lying!) because he MUST (!!!) have his way. His pride and ego cannot handle what he determines is not getting his way. (In front of his new wife, to boot!!) 2) Taking my first point, he cannot stand that the (late) QEII is THE THRONE. THE MONARCHY. THE HEAD of STATE and since Prince Philip was so unwell, QEII was now left to handle being head of family as well as monarch, and the latter of the two would always dictate her decisions. 3) QEII was not easily persuaded out of her conclusions since, as you point out, she has DECADES of "been there, seen that, done that," with all personality types and circumstances. Her decisions are swayed towards the benefit of Crown and Country. Sparry could not accept that ultimately "Granny" was going to land on the side of Country. Or if she is persuaded towards his/TW's scheme, Sparry was unwilling to live on the monarch's timeline for execution. "Now. Right now. ALL of it... NOW!" My evidence that Sparry can't wait for a nanosecond: he was duped into thinking he was being interviewed by legit reporters re: Earthshot Prize. I think he revealed a lot about HIMSELF in it: "I’m confident within the next five to ten years things will change, but we can’t wait five or ten years. I think people need to be woken up and the only way to wake people up from what effectively is a consciousness crisis is, I think, you need to be doing extreme things." 4) I'm astonished that Wootton gave Sparry&MM's office ten days' notice. For a scoop of that magnitude, that's a very lengthy period of grace. 5) MM is VERY good at LEADING viewers/readers to a conclusion without actually saying things. She says (then) PC says "put it in writing... then five days later...". So as MM did in the Winfrey interview, she begins one thought/point, "interrupts" with another, leading readers/listeners to put the two together when any cause-and-effect doesn't actually exist.
Dan Wootton says he broke that story, so who was Dan Woottons informer…?
I address that tonight in the vid!
@@thevintageread excellent….
@@thevintageread tonight? Or tomorrow night?
This should be good 👍
@@thevintagereadbrilliant
WOW Shauna, that was a mouth full! I agree with most everything you've uncovered and indeed this is fun and entertaining, i would like to drop a few more pearls if i may, my opinion and i may be wrong. After reading Lady C's book on the Queen Mum and a few others, if 50% of what Lady C recalls as the Queen Mums back room manipulations to keep Wallis and Edward out of the country whilst maintaining the appearance of innocent clean hands, i find much of what Harry says as plausible. Wallis and Edward were kept out of the UK, the reasons basically are irrelevant, however had they been allowed in the country (UK) where actions could be closely monitored with a financial incentive there would have been no need for the "purchase a prince for dinner" in other countries! The Queen Mum, ran the show, caused issues with Prince Phillip in quite a stealth like manner, i would offer to speculate that the RF took notes and may have been taught well. I am not sure the men in gray were all to keen to make this half in half out workable for the future, at least not when HM Queen Elizabeth II was still alive, now, perhaps yes, but then i do not see it, not at that level. Forgive me this is an American perspective, but suffice it to say that i've been a Royal Watcher for decades and quite a fan of QE2, Diana and the RF in general. I have noticed however that nepitisim is alive and well, you can mess up as a blood royal and be protected... i.e. Andrew being quite abusive to staff, Princess Ann with affairs/divorce, Margret with a long long litany of indiscretions, to mention just a few. But be Fergie or Di who's conduct were regrettably no different from blood royals and its a major Roast Party! Just some observations from a non-British perspective. The one i do take pity on is HM QE2 as i do not believe (at least as far as we know) never once put a foot wrong. I will ask for forgiveness here, i am dyslexic (albeit educated to the Masters level) and have not put this through my editing checker. Again, thank you, you are both entertaining and brilliant with your reads and position.. Bless you! 15:04
Are you aware that the Duke of Windsor believed, when WWII started, that when the NAZIs won, he would be installed as a puppet king, who obviously would report to his NAZI masters. He and his missus certainly supported the NAZIs.
Do you believe H & M were asked to leave or left of their own accord. The bug sweeping was a remarkable admission from RF. Wonderful show today. Sublime!
I think it was their decision and they are now filled with regret!
Keep in mind that the bugging was not admitted by the RF but a claim made by a Royal biographer (albeit a well connected one and believable claim).
@@honestea1828 lady C did repeat the story. I assume that she got it from impeccable sources.
@@mrcury8014 Lady C is not always accurate nowadays. And journos and pundits have a tendency to parrot these days. Not saying it's not true or plausible, just that it did not come from the RF themself.
@@honestea1828 I agree but no one is allowed to disagree or challenge Lady C. As we have seen in Thursdays video which over 50% of her subs misunderstood. When they challenged what she said, they were shot down in flames. So we have to be very careful . On that I certainly agree. 👌
Good research. Thank you!
Does anyone remember when Harry said they had to "flee for their lives" in regards to leaving the UK? I think it was a television interview, maybe Anderson Cooper or it could have been someone else.
I thought that it was in the docu series?
Could be. I can't really remember which sit down it was, just that I know he said it because it shocked me.
Maybe they'd had a near-catastrophic car chase
@@Rumkitty2000Just checked in my lunch break - it was Tom Bradby for ITV.
Clearly I'm keen. I arrived 24 hours early.. back again.. waiting waiting.
Oh gosh I’m so sorry I did quickly change it after first posting…you must have seen it before I changed it! So sorry! 😂💗
Brilliant.
It probably took them 5 days to come up with their written demands which could possibly where the difference is...
16 hours! I can’t wait that long! 😂 looking forward to viewing!
Meghan thought that the Monarchy worked on popularity. The more popular the higher the role! She didn’t get that he was a Prince that was close to the throne, but could never attain it. It must have been a shock to learn that Harry wasn’t moneyed. I truly believe she thought Harry was William’s equal. Yes as brothers not of symbols of the State. So Meghan after the Queen’s death would have had to curtsy to Catherine, not sure about the children. I can still hear her blood boiling.
Hello from Greece!
When the Queen had the room swept of bugs, they missed two.
😂💗
Easily the most chilling scene in the Netflix personal disaster for Harold is the"Its your brother.I'm not going to say anything..." moment. His future (a cottage somewhere remote) will be uninteresting and rather sad because thats what he truly is - but her? Ooh la la.She will get what she deserves and so will we.
Good evening everyone 😊
It all makes such good sense! I love this comparison and contrast technique with evaluation, Detective Vintage. So meaningful! ❤
Thank you so much!
To be an accomplished liar you need to have a good memory. Recollections really did vary on Mexit and everything following it. Love your videos and how you present them.
You do don’t you!
It's also not a good idea to put them in a book, podcast, high speed cab, Netflix thingy....either.
Thank you, Shauna. I really do appreciate your unique perspective on the Royals. I also sorely miss her Majesty-QE2. So any other stories that you can share about her would be greatly appreciated. Of course-I still wish that Harry in particular had treated her with so much dignity and respect than he did.
Maybe H was that angry because he did not know what went down and the fact that M leaked the news!
Meghan thought she was a real power player, didn’t she?
Given H&M's loose relationship with the actual truth, far preferring 'their' truth, are we able to believe anything they tell us.
What a spider's web!! I'm exhausted just trying to follow along let alone live that life! Thanks Shauna for doing that extensive research🇭🇲
I love your deep dives!!
The royal family is not known for leaking information so why would they start suddenly as soon as Henry gets married?
I don’t know how you did it
I just couldn’t even w the Netflix horrormentary
The clips I saw were just so petty & disrespectful to the queen 😢
Another brilliant revelation! Megan is a minx! May the Queen rest in piece!
Yeah! Hoping Her Majesty is still in one piece!
More recently, the early years of Edward and Sophie proved why half in/half out does not work and they were a lot more benign that H&M. The HRH styling comes with accountability to the taxpayer thus limiting the titleholder's personal earning opportunities. It also requires the Monarch to distribute the HRH syling judiciously and is why QEll rescinded that of Diana, Fergie,.Andrew, Harry & Meghan once they ceased to be working members of the family; it was practical, not personal as many like to claim in each instance.
Fascinating once again ❤
Acupuncture can't reverse a hysterectomy, and it certainly didn't help Hazbeen with his hair loss. 😂
His much older wife is the leak, she has always been the leak. She spends a lot of time accidentally being papped in uncrowded parking lots etc. She is so desperate for attention and getting the upper hand that she's even sold out her own family when it benefitted her. IMO he is willfully ignoring the obvious or he's actually a dolt.🌻
His mother admitted he was “dim”; I’ve wondered if he’s got a learning disability.
@@enkisdaughter4795 He could have caused himself serious brain damage by starting to abuse drugs at such an early age as well. I just can't find any legitimate reason to publicly trash your own family or allow your spouse to do so as well. After all this time, the fact that he hasn't figured it out is ridiculous. If he really reads comments online surely to God he's seen enough of us telling him the truth that he'd finally figure it out.
@@enkisdaughter4795 Unless he can't actually read.
Well spotted lady!
You are spot on, once again Shauna. I’ve always felt it was Meghan releasing the statement to call the Queens bluff. It seems to be the way she loves to operate. Dior etc.
Meghan gets what Meghan wants…..😂😂😂😂
I think they played ‘ask for forgiveness rather than permission’
Greetings from Cape Town 🇿🇦
How fortunate that there is that timeline to show that H&M were actually conniving.
Very intriguing