LOOPER: Director Rian Johnson Talks Plot Holes and Burning Questions
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- SPOILERS!! Writer/director Rian Johnson answers all the burning questions you have about his time traveling action drama LOOPER, starring Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Bruce Willis and Emily Blunt. The interview with Germain Lussier from Slashfilm.com took place September 25, 2012.
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Sarah only fixes her relationship with Cid if they meet joe. The rainmaker closes the loops because people who would want to stop him could just go back in time and kill him like old joe so he started closing the loops on anyone who knew about him which were the loopers
stkkjj what I took from this movie was that it’s up to us to break our loops, dreadful patterns that can affect future generations, we’re the loopers/ Jo basically eliminated the bad timeline from ever existing, allowing him and old joe to die, the rainmaker to never exist and the loopers to never exist. He stopped the circle
See it like this. Rainmaker was a person who saw his mother die and has a blown up jaw. He has too much blood and violence. So maybe he is closing all the loops because he just wants the mob syndicates to end and stop killing everyone. Of course it's much more moral and kind but most likely because Cid (future rainmaker) tells Joe how bad he feels that he couldn't protect his mother/aunt. And Cid also says he wants a gun like Joe's so that he could save people. Maybe that is why he was closing loops and ending crimes.
@@Chris-kh2kn nah, he turned out angry and alone in the Rainmaker timeline so he was definitely twisted and violent. Without a mother, Joe could see the bad Cid timeline before him.
@merdemoiii-7589 That was my take away
Was Paul Dano's character under anesthesia when they mutilated him? Man, that scene disturbed me more than anything i've seen in all the Saw's. It's about what you don't see that sticks in your mind.
I think Johnson solved the travel issue brillantly and I love his way of ideals of accurate story making which is seldom as we all know. He really cares for the plot and I hope we will see more of his works in future.
Maybe even a Looper 2 movie if he's able to get his mind around that stuff which might get more complex :D Also props to the interviewer, damn I'd be nervous because you really have to have a clean mind about that stuff or you get errors in your head!
No he didn’t. Come on.
The sole purpose for the sequence for Joe seeing the kid's possible future is to show that he has to kill himself to prevent the rainmaker and that he is the cause of the rainmaker. They specially put that in there to show the paradox loop, it's the point of the movie, a paradox loop. What else can I say, you can make up and add on or change things to make it seem real to you but it falls apart if you acknowledge their storytelling.
There's still the issue with the idea that if hooded Joe's timeline ended because of the same circumstances (the rainmaker) but the rainmaker wouldn't exist due to the actions of Unhooded Joe shooting Sarah and wounding Young Sid, then how was hooded Joe sent back into the past in the first place? His actions up until killing Sarah and continuing the loop would have affected the future timeline thus making the future timeline not plausible. Are we to assume that the rainmaker would have turned out the same regardless of future Joe's interactions with the past? Then who's to say that current Sid won't still grow up to be the rainmaker?
Sid can't be the catalyst for Joe to have his loop ended if the catalyst for Sid to become the one to end Joe's loop is Sid ending Joe's loop and forcing Joe to take action in the past against Sid which leads to Sid becoming the Rainmaker and ending Joe's loop.
My brain just melted...
Yeah. He calls it "the Terminator" question. But those things are completely different. In The Terminator, D day happens no matter what is done. And John Connor becomes the leader no matter what is done. It just happens in different ways. And, having Kyle Reese sent back is something he has to do because it makes him. So, if John Conner becomes the leader of The Resistance no matter what, then Kyle Reese is sent back, no matter what.
Looper is a shit show of terrible ideas from the mine of an idiot. Literally nothing this guy has ever written, has been good.
I think other loopers have tried to kill the rainmaker as a child in other timelines.
None of it makes sense bro. You can pick it apart from every angle. The whole film is one walking grandfather paradox.
Holy shit! Respect level for Rian Johnson has gone through the roof. The man speaks truth. I wish he answered all the questions by saying "it's a fuckin movie, get over your questions about paradoxes".
Great movie, highly recommend you check it out.
Rian is a franchise killing heathen
You know, damn near every movie has plot holes. Especially a movie with a Sci-Fi aspect. So, I never let them get to me too much. As long as the movie is engaging I could care less. Looper was a fun little movie.
Not amnesia. According to Johnson's time travel rules, it's only when he sees his body parts disappear he also receives the memory of the mutilation. The scene when Blunt shoots young Joe with rock salt and you see Bruce see the scars and then sees the image of Blunt shooting him enter his memory proves such.
The movie itself answers all the dudes question in 2 lines
"we could be here all night with diagrams" (at least thats what I remember)
"this is a precise description of a fuzzy mechanism"
I actually think there are some hints in the movie. Here's my theory: Sid's relationship with his mom prior to Joe's arrival is bad. He insists she's not his mom and scares her, which seems routine. He only calls her "mom" after her life is threatened by old Joe. So, in the original timeline, their relationship never having developed in response to that crisis, he might kill her, or at least might never love her. It takes the crisis to bring them together so that she can influence him.
I'd love to see a director's cut of this movie with those little added expositional scenes, I think it'd quell a lot of the questions people ask about the film.
Sick video, will for sure be checking out more videos!
Nice!
1035 that girl in the backround really downs that whole bottle of water
Abe is from the future... where is his younger self and does he meet him?
There's a theory that Kid Blue was his Younger self
@@elijahvigil7467 I thought this during the movie and thought for sure that it was going to be revealed at some point.
Yes, definitely should have explained the "dead wife" scene. Left the theater thinking there was a major plot hole, but glad to know that there was more to the story.
Episode 8 was amazing.
Rian Johnson seconds you. I even know what scenes were his favourite ones: CantoBight was straight up masterpiece and so was tits milking by Luke. Will be praised for ages.
One more observation: Last Jedi was not the first film that Rian felt urgent need to explain away. He's good at explaining as opposed to writing. I wished opposite was true.
ILJA SHEBALIN What?
It was GR8 despite its flaws
Looper is great, but BRICK was better. If you haven't seen it, go watch it now now now!
Before Young Joe came around Sid thought that his mom wasn't his actual mom. He would grow up thinking he saw his mom die at a young age when in reality it was her moms sister. He'd grow up to be rainmaker in both scenarios. That's what makes Old Joe such a selfish and ironic character.
Thanks for posting. It did answer some of my questions :)
i love this motherfucker he's such a compassionate, fresh storyteller. and he brought that to ep 8, I was in my seat like fuck what the hell is gonna happen next? and that's something i haven't felt in a star wars movie in a loong ass time. great writer.
Star Wars episode 8 was trash are you serious?
Star Wars Ep 8 is going to rock with this guy at the helm
+Robert Thomas +1
Shit up insipid fanboy
Back off. Why can people fanboy, Jesus. This is a nerdy fanboy video BTW.
LOL....
Robert Thomas he was never at the helm, he’s just a pawn
The problem with this movie is that it sets up the alternate time line paradox possibility but then it has young joe's actions impact old joe who is from a different timeline that isn't the result of young joe's actions.. it sets up rules and disregards them.. I love this movie but this is a glaring issue that I'm surprised nobody discusses, young joe mutilating his body should not scar old joe's body because he is from a different timeline..
oh my god, finally. I thought I am the only who is bothered by this. I was expecting some mind-blowing explanation at the end for that one, but wow it was so disappointing how it ended.
Fast forward to The Last Jedi and...
love looper and dont care about plot holes cuz the characters and story are so well done..also the movie is very well made!
HA! Finally something I can explain: obviously Joe doesn't physically see Cid alone on the train. I think he's just assuming that's what he's going to do because that's what Young Joe told him he did when he didn't have a mother any more. In the end, I think Rian Johnson was trying to create parallels between Joe and Cid. Which is why the ending scenes show Sara caressing Cid's and Joe's hair in a similar manner.
He also says in a number of interviews that he doesn't want people walking out of the theatre trying to puzzle together the time travel, but to be thinking about the characters' emotional journeys and the actual story. To me, it just sounds like you went into it with a "Gimme a sci-fi action movie or give me death!" attitude, when that's not what this movie is all about. Maybe it was marketed that way, but to me the second half of the film was a pleasant surprise. Gasp! Character development.
Just finished watching the movie, and then watched it a second time (but just jumping through the important parts). Really enjoyed the film, and the story, the actors and the drama. Very nice. However, when I watched it the first time I assumed that Joe the Looper was actually (unknowingly) saving his younger self as a boy. Because he told the small boy Cid the same story about running away on a train and seeing his mother die. So, that is exactly what happened to Cid's mother !!!!!! So, I guess that is what keeps the loop open to make it possible for old Joe (Bruce) to keep killing the mother in previous loops. Although, in the last loop, the young Joe finally changes the future by killing himself to save the mother. The boy Cid tells Joe some very interesting stories that sound very supportive of a time traveller or some one who sees future events or possibly sees other possible time lines or something. I think that part of the story is still un-told.
Overall, thanks for the nice film, I did enjoy it. And yes time travel stuff can fry your brain like an egg (I guess). :)
What didn't really make sense for me is the whole premise of the Looper in the first place. Apparently in the future it seems like a big deal to kill someone, make them disappear etc.. so they send them to the past. But in the movie as they show the years go by, Joe and other people are shown shooting guns and killing people indiscriminate. In fact his wife gets shot as well. So what the hell is the whole point of sending people back in time to get offed. Ridiculous!
4:22 "the young yahoo's gun accidentally went off"
Why did the yahoos have guns in the first place if they weren't supposed to kill anybody?
Exactly. That's the question!
If they can kill people they don't need loopers.
And apparently the Rainmaker is conducting mass executions. So mass looper executions? Didn't seem like there were so much more looper killings than before. Or can he just execute people? Then he wouldn't have to risk sending them back and could just kill them.
Because the very threat of force that a gun would represent? I mean the vast majority of police officers never even brandish their weapon in a career, much less fire it.
@@gnuling296 Johnson addresses that in this very interview. They want to have the loopers being killed by their past selves and not just any gang member with a gun so as to keep the causality loop as tight as possible, and it seemingly wipes all the evidence of that person.
@@kevinw712 why don't they send people to get killed just one hundred million years to the past in the middle of the ocean...
More i think about this movie, more uselessly complicated looks to me.
A traumatized guy uses a time machine to get rid of people..
He can make things happen as he wants with cero risk... but no, let's kill our own workers and let's spend a lot of silver and gold in the way...
I needed this video. Now I can watch it again.
I’d love a movie about the rainmaker
It made perfect sense to me until the bit when she strokes young Joe's hair and it cuts back to the child. That totally threw me off now I don't understand
I believe that was just to add an element of relatability between Joe and the boy. Joe was abandoned by his mother and he sees the direction his life has taken. He sees the loving mother Cid has and would rather sacrifice himself than that away that life.
It goes back to what old Joe said. He remembers anything that happens to young Joe right after it happens. So it was a twist the old Joe felt the exact thing immediately after it happened to young Joe.
Trying to make sense of this is a total mindfuck. I remember Old Joe saying the old memories become cloudy as the new memories come in. So I guess it makes sense that at the moment old Seth realizes he is losing fingers, the new memories are in the process of washing his old memories. Hence the instant surprise when he sees a missing finger.
He explains that... The authorities aren't keeping track at people at all times, it's just that when someone dies a signal is sent out to notify the authorities. If the person is sent back in time the authorities will get no signal and will not realize that something has happened, until maybe years later then all traces of the crime is long gone.
The rainmaker still exists and becomes into power even if Joe closed his loop and killed himself.
The fact that Old Joe is in the past means that he is altering the flow of space and time and history. He is creating parallel universes with different scenarios. The rainmaker is there in the closed loop future. In the newly made future, Joe causes the rainmaker to be when if he killed his mother, creating an alternate future.
It's only a "plot hole" if you don't buy the theory of multiple realities existing simultaneously outside the paradigm of conventional, mechanistic classical physics. If you're so stuck in classical physics that you cant entertain the possibility of quantum theories then why bother seeing any kind of movie in the first place? It-s a movie. Get the fuck over it or don-t watch it. Instead of debating movies, debate quantum physics itself. It-s asinine. The move NEVER breaks its OWN logic.
newlistenerguy the alternate timeline needs to branch at some point for it to be an alternate. The paradox lies with Sid (Rainmaker) becoming the catalyst for Old Joe to take action against Young Sid when the catalyst for young Sid becoming the Rainmaker was Old Joe taking action against young Sid...
Brilliant reply! There are multiple universes.
How the fuck did they track young joe? Like he couldnt hide ever
Love the euphemism "having a real cigarette". Totes gonna use that
I understand this is a multiverse. There is an old joe and a young joe and everything is developing in young joe universe. Old joe can kill the rainmaker but when he returns to his universe everything will remain the same. My problem is, if this is a multiverse killing the young you wouldn't affect the old you. The old you will only be a john Doe.
I think people are missing the point that the movie is in the end a human story that uses time travel as the platform. No time travel movie is without plot holes because time travel, in theory, does not make sense. I think this was a great movie because it went beyond what I expected, emotionally, knowing that time travel and crime was involved.
I decided to watch Looper for the first time after watching The Last Jedi. I just wanted to see why Rian Johnson was considered for a Star Wars film and even a whole new trilogy.
After watching Looper, I'll say that it's BETTER than The Last Jedi. In my opinion, I was more compelled and connected with Looper's story than The Last Jedi and I'm a longtime, passionate Star Wars fan.
But a commonality I find with both films is Rian Johnson's polarizing story ideas.
While you may be entertained by Rian's films, you might start to notice plot holes within the narrative itself which makes you like the movie less.
There are SEVERAL plot holes and contrivances in The Last Jedi and Looper.
And if you thought through all of them, your mind will crumble apart.
What I think Rian does best is going bold and giving us new ideas. HOWEVER, the execution of his ideas is where much of his flaws come up. In my opinion, Rian kinda makes the story more complicated than it should be, and I think that will prove to be a detriment to his popularity in the future.
Just take a look at how much his new Star Wars trilogy will make or how fans will receive it.
Disney or Lucasfilm might come to terms that Rian isn't the best storyteller for MAINSTREAM audiences.
For many people who go to the theater, they just want to have a great time and not have to think about these complicated concepts and ideas. It just ruins the escapism experience.
I don't know if Rian knows this or understands this. I wish he could sit in the average audience member's seat and be able to understand why they criticize him.
Of course, every writer has flaws. I appreciate Rian's innovative ideas, and he doesn't deserve hatred. But, I do think his weakness is making his ideas make SENSE.
looper is better than last jedi? what are you smoking bro? looper is fucking awful lmao
UnbelievabIeMontages Clearly you haven't seen TLJ then. :(
If anyone else here enjoy this time travel stuff YOU HAVE TO SEE Summer Time Machine Blues (2005)! Trust me guys. It's stays very consistent to its time travel setup, is truly enjoyable and is hilarious as hell. Blows my mind that so few people know of it. One of my top 50 probably. But last I checked there is only a pretty expensive Japanese DVD of it, so you may need to try torrents to get it.
Thinking of the Looper timeline as an equation with constants and variables, a la bioshock infinite, helped me understand it better.
If he is going back in time to a certain date and time, it doesnt matter WHEN he actually goes back, he will still arrive at the same time.
I actually thought the delay in sending back the looper to the younger self was another sign the mob was giving like "hey, this delivery is extra special... it's you".
If they kill the young ones, they change time (because obviously if there is an older version, the young ones aren't supposed to die young). The only thing that changes now is that he misses some fingers, arms, legs, ... And you are right if you're going to respond with 'that also changes time' but in the movie the effects of this are minimalised.
Wha... did you see the movie? They literally explain it RIGHT THERE what happens, IN THAT SCENE. Joe even says it that he noticed how the kid becomes the rainmaker. How in Gods name could you miss that?
This movie is sooooo full of holes.
sometimes "stamping out little fires," only spreads the flames.
best film i've seen in the last 5 years
Still didn't explain the big plot holes. Why were they still standing in the field at the end? They if old Joe disappeared because he never existed, then there would be no one to chase them out there in the first place.
The mechanics of time travel within the Looper universe seems to be that no element in the present can be affected by time travel mechanics, ONLY the characters from the future who return can be affected by time travel mechanics that originate in deviations in the present. The actions of the future person can affect the present in an "ordinary way", without time travel mechanics playing into it. The way it's set up allows for the story to follow a continuous narrative with "present joe". Since time doesn't solidify one way or another for the future characters until the moment a decision is made, the key defining feature of the Looper version of "single-timeline" time travel is that the present characters have free will and exertion of that free will is what changes the timeline. It takes some causality paradoxes out of the way for the purpose of storytelling.
One thing that really makes my brain hurt is this. Ive read alot of stuff about joe being cid and how this is not true, but if this is not true then how did we see cid on the train alone when it was young joes story to the words.
If joe is rainmaker then his younger self slept with his mom 😲
First off, I really loved this movie. And I'm so glad that Rian Johnson explained the wife's death, which was the only "hole" in the plot that bothered me from that moment on throughout the rest of the movie and all the way home until I sat down and listened to Rian Johnson explain it.
So, to answer the director's question, yes, those 15 seconds of explanation would have been very helpful. Just a simple, "Oh shit! Burn the house down to cover this mess up!" from one of the thugs.
Counter argument is, well it was Rainmaker's men in the future that zapped him back. Well if that's the case that would mean Old Joe's syndicate would have to be around in order for Rainmaker to take control of it and then figure out which Loopers to close their loops. But since Old Joe changed all that, his syndicate is not around to be controlled or taken over meaning that again, nobody is around to know who the fuck Joe is and if he is/was a Looper in the first place.
There is not really any indicators for that in the movie, but it could work. Working as a looper Sara lets her sister take care of Cid. Sara closes her loop but does not step in to give Cid a new mother after her sisters death, so he grows up to become the Rainmaker (RM). Sara lives on while keeping an eye on the RM. When the RM starts closing loops he is killed horribly. Sara then goes back in time so that her loop can close, bringing with her a note that tells her young self to raise Cid.
I have a question: the people who killed old Joe's wife are the time travel people who were coming to send him back in time, but when old joe is speaking to young joe he says " stop rainmaker from killing his wife" , doesn't he ,correct me if I'm wrong because that's what i saw. Is this a plot hole or a revealing mistake or am i wrong
probably not so that old seth (Paul Dano) remembered everything they are/were doing to young seth which is why he was in such a hurry to get back because he realized he should have ended his loop instead of letting himself live. just a thought.
Wouldn't dissapearing from the future via time travel automatically stop your location tag from transponding thus giving away the location of the time machine
I want to meet Rian Johnson and talk movies with him, he seems so cool.
Agree but Looper is hopeless - it just makes no sense. But Rian should be given points for facing up to critical remarks.
why the fuck did Young Joe not just simply shoot his hand so old bruce can't hold a gun any more ?
Crazy Cat Production last time i check he had two hands
+Smith Smithersonn Joe would probably still bleed to death also i don't get it, so many people ask this question.
he was too far away asshole did you watch the movie??? the gun doesnt fire beyond 15 feet
too far away? he suggests he shoots his own hand which will make the older one's arm disappear.
but maybe then the gun would just appear in his other hand
They dont explain something about how the rainmaker was created in the first scenario where Joe actually kills his old him.If the old him never shot his mother,then how?
8 years ago and still not answered :(
The film is very formulaic, that's everyone enjoys the ride and never questions why they killed bruce willis' girlfriend when she makes a little sound when the whole point of the movie was that it was nearly impossible to kill anyone and get away with it in the future, especially when they have a long range taser to take down bruce that they could've used against his lover
I don't think it would've been bad if Rian had the explanation of the tracking devices. Inception took 30 minutes explaining their entire missions and I thought it was amazing,.
If young Joe hadn't stopped it that cycle would have most likely been created. The mother the rainmaker from old Joe's past loved was mot likely actually his aunt, which he watched die. Anyway, Cid becomes the rainmaker both if he never meets the two Joes as a child and if old Joe shoots Sara. Only when he meets young Joe, so that he accepts Sara as his mother, but still gets to grow up with her at his side does he not become the Rainmaker.
Watch again from 01:00 to 01:55 basically same thing what your asking about.
The nanomachines transmit a signal after the body temperature drops. So no because the nanomachines that send the signal would instantly transport along with the body, thus changing the present where that person and their nanomachines essentially never existed. Although that understanding raises red flags. What happens to that persons identity? Is it erased from their family and friend's memories? Are tracking records erased?
Also, if a person doesn't close their own loop, there's a chance that they could kill and prevent the other person that closed their loop, creating a paradox.
There are two future worlds interacting , one in which young Joe lives without mother and another where he lives with. Check the anime Stains Gate to learn about world lines.The Rainmaker is the Joe who lives with mom and knows all his life about time travel and he will kill the organization and try to fight against the system (hero), the Joe without mum its traumatized and blocks his powers becoming a looper (villain).The bad rumors about the Rainmaker are distorted info from future B to past A
If joe is rainmaker then his younger self slept with his mom 😲
unless there is some time travel rule that says you can only go back at the same exact time you left at the future like 12:45 in 2060 then 12:45 in 2021
Really appreciate what Johnson's done here, but in the end, the basic premise of the movie just doesn't do it for me. I can't conceive of a world where the easiest way to dispose of a body is to send it back in time.
One thing I dont get is that if time travel is a one way ticket then how does the mob know who their looper's are in order to send them their future selves?
People calling this movie genius. The entire film was one grandfather paradox after another.
Please elaborate what grandfather paradox is
I NEED THIS QUESTION ANSWERED: if you young joe is technically old joe and old joe wants the rainmaker killed wouldnt young joe want the same shit, so why didnt he kill him?
Did you want the things you now do thirty years ago and do you now want the things that you wanted thirty years ago?
Obviously not. But you'll keep all scars from thirty years ago.
Old Joe was in love and younger Joe was not. They were 2 different people ( time wise)
No one is asking for mathematical equations and "but if...then wouldn't.." scenarios. But time travel stories NEED to have a basic foundation from which to work, or else the whole story fails. I want to like this movie, but the plot holes--right now, to me--are quite gaping and it's distracting...
Why not have the Loopers have their first kill be their old self? That way they're already locked into the system and have no opportunity to let their old selves run.
But how has the taps kept? Abe might have already put the information away somewhere for his future bosses to retrieve in their time. It seems likely that he did that on a regular basis, as the risk of being killed would always be there.
okay movie. i just can't deal with this abstract timeline idea where i would have to accept this logic without having it make sense to me. It made me see the story with literal holes in it
looper is a GREAT movie..
Yeah that's kind of how I felt. After the amazing first half it kind of came off the rails for the climax. I almost cringed when Kid Blue showed up on the bike and was rushing Joe down.
Spectacular movie 🎥 great work
Time travel movies will always have plot holes, because of the theory you choose to use, like terminator movies and back to the future
Haha, it's a confusing all right. Don't try to think of it as multiple realities, think of it as one self-correcting one.
The young loopers seem like fixed entities with the old ones correcting them-self in accordance to what happens to the young ones.
But about killing of the young loopers when they are unwanted instead of sending back their old selfs to be killed: I think the 30 years of living the nice life with their gold is a perk they get to keep loyal and content with killing.
I’m I the only one who doesn’t get why the rainmaker needed Joe to become the rainmaker. Before joe he had already “killed” his “mother” and he’s clearly messed up ab it saying how he wasn’t strong enough to save her and shit. I feel like that alone along w his power could make him the rainmaker… only issue is the rubber jaw part would have to come later.
Great movie but makes no sense in the end when you think about it. But nobody has ever time travelled which is why maybe it makes sense :P
The only thing I'm confused about is the very end. If young Joe kills himself, old Joe dies so he never went back in the first place to try and kill the rainmaker. This means young Joe did kill him the first time, and then went to China, his wife was killed so he did travel back to kill the rainmaker etc etc..... What does this mean? Is it just that loop, a paradox, or what? Can someon please explain? Thanks
Rian is a genius. The Last Jedi and Looper are my two favorite films of all time.
but the new memories dont necessarily change instantaneously. It was my interpretation that he was under anesthesia, and now simply wanted to stop losing body parts he had lived with his whole life.
If i were to ask the questions I wold ask him why don't the people in the future sent their victims further back in time..like the age of the dinosaurs for example..of course there would be no more movie..but it would be a lot more logical....
@Jazzybot Really? The rainmaker is the guy in the future that is closing all the loops. Old joe goes after the 3 kids. One of which is the rainmaker as a child
Can anyone answer these three questions why are loopers called loopers i didn't get it when he explained it and does the rainmaker create the mobs and stuff before young joe killed himself to save the rainmaker from being bad and btw i dont get it when old joe says that the rainmaker killed "all the people" by himself did he use time travel or what?
with TK
He basically eliminated the bad timeline from ever existing, allowing him and old joe to die, the rainmaker to never exist and the loopers to never exist. He stopped the circle
Well in the scenario where Joe closes his loop and goes on to become old Joe there is no interaction with Cid right? And in what position was Cid before the Joes interacted with him? He was in the belief that he had seen his mother die (even though it was his aunt). His jaw might be damaged later of other reasons. This would be the origins for the rumors that old Joe had heard about him.
Ya, and then the main guy said something like, "what are you doing? don't kill him"
This guy looks so much like the lead singer of Wheatus
Why does old Joe get a scar on his right shoulder when young Joe as actualy hit with the "salt shot" in his left shoulder?
SPOILER ALERT:
If Joe's reason for wanting to kill the rainmaker was created before Joe meets himself,or Joe managed to convince himself during their debates that the rainmaker needs to die, your thought process would be accurate.
OK... Excuse me if this is answered later in the video, but I'm having trouble with the answer to the first question. When I was watching the movie and Joe first started talking about "closing the loop", I was confused as to why the looper would celebrate because, in my mind, the young looper would have to die so that he can't exist in the future... Yet the young looper kills his future self, only to go on to be his older self....? Or do they send them all to China...ironically?
Did you watch the video above?
feeling is perfect ı wanted to mean, it is certain ı think that also after many years feelings manage the world it is no matter how much tecnology improved,,
here is how I see it. Sara is a former looper whose future self did not take care of Cid after her sister's death and because of that Cid some how die a horrible death so her older self sent a message to her Sara to take care of Cid BUT because she takes care of Cid and Cid lives he becomes the Rainmaker.
So why do we see the first 'Old Joe' scene where he escapes at all? That's the only bit that confuses me?
He's a really smart dude.