BJJ Podcast 1 - John Danaher and History Of The Triangle Choke
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- In this BJJ Podcast, John Danaher talks about BJJ the History of the triangle choke.
This is BJJ Fanatics Podcast - Episode 1 - History Of The Triangle Choke with John Danaher
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How about this someday: "The John Danaher Podcast. Episode 1: The History of Jiu-Jitsu " Running time: 47 hours.
They would need multiple severs with load balancers to be able to handle the massive amount of people tuning in. Also we would need a hour plus for the time limit.
I could see his podcast being the BJJ version of Dan Carlin's Hardcore History! Insanely long, indepth, and riveting. After 17 hours on the closed guard you take a deep breath, exhale, and Google wondering when the next episode comes out.
I'd still pay to watch it.
Episode #1 part 1/26
more like 47 weeks
Great hosting from Mr Faria. Asks few questions, doesn’t interrupt and lets his guest speak at length. Great to listen to.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Bernardo don’t try to show the guest how smart he is by talking a lot Ike most interviewers do. And Michael is awesome too. He just mostly listens.
Please do a podcast on training methodologies and best practices!
Thats what i came here to find out about
This is great!
Adrian Boucek I agree
I'm calling it now, a training methodology DVD will sell more than any other.
I second that
I TOTALLY agree!!!
This☝
I will purchase this before its release
Would most definitely be interested in hearing John Danaher talk albout his training methods!
Indeed sounds interesting !
agreed
H oh
Please! I would listen to it multiple times!
As soon as John mentioned Kosen Judo, man that put a smile on my face. John’s research is soooo in-depth.
I'm glad I see Kosen Judo in the comments too
John, I just want to say thank you. As a short person, I was deeply inspired by what you said about the triangle choke. You were superb in your explanation of the ideal body type for the triangle, but more importantly, you have hope to the short man. I admire everything you do, and I am a student at a distance. Even though I may never meet you, I take your principals to heart, and I admire your innovation. I also greatly admire your student, Eddie Cummings, who is my favorite of the Danaher Death Squad. Keep doing what you are doing as I am sure you are an inspiration to many. 👍🙏
"would people be interested in that? See what people say."
😑 We're interested in anything you have to say that's Jiu jitsu related. Literally anything. Techniques, history, training methods.
I don’t care what the topic, if John Danaher is talking, I’m listening.
Right! John can talk about "why peeling potatoes makes you better at BJJ" and I would buy that DVD
Imagine not knowing bjj and listening to this like "today we're going to talk all about triangles"
Masaru Hayakawa, featured the first registered use of the move in a kosen judo tournament in Kobe, Hyogo in November 1921. A primitive version of the move had been shown by a Kobudō master Senjuro Kanaya around 1890, though it was apparently a simpler form of neckscissors without the posterior triangle action.
The first time most people in the West ever saw a triangle choke was in the first “Lethal Weapon” movie and they/we didn’t even know what it was. It was a move that looked so impressive, so unique and deadly that it blew our minds. It was taught to Mel Gibson by Rorion Gracie.
thank god he chose not to break his neck
The worst Hollywood Triangle Choke ever!! It’s not even a choke! Take a look.
ruclips.net/video/PnSHQHXvaTU/видео.html
The triangle is my favorite submission. I remember when I was only about 1 month into jiu jitsu and not sure if I would continue to keep training. My friends and I were getting drunk and high at the park and I’m not sure how it happened but my one friend who had a year of wrestling experience took me down to the ground and I locked my guard. My other friend who said admittedly “idk what’s happening but the guy on top is winning.” I then got double wrist control- he tried pulling his wrists away one at a time I let him have one and kept the other. I threw my legs up and over, locked it up and adjusted and got the tap about 5 seconds later. My friends were amazed because he was much bigger than me and I tapped him out. I was just glad in that moment that what I had learned in the past month was real. I had my doubts about it and have trusted jiu jitsu ever since that night. To me one of the best feelings in the world is submission. Knowing that if you weren’t playing the game- and it were a real fight for life, you would still win in most cases, is such a relieving feeling. Most of my anxiety in public was caused by being smaller than everyone else and knowing that smaller people lose to bigger people in most everything physical - including altercations. Now I can stand up for myself and one day I may have the confidence to stand up for other people
Big OSS
I am amazed by John and his vast knowledge. Few BJJ practitioners even knows about variations of the sankaku jime/triangle. In my Judo classes in the early 90s, we trained all variations of it, from the back, the side and from the guard. In the last Olympics a Swedish guy who I actually trained with once, got to the bronze match by almost exclusively using the side triangle. There is of course the difference that you do not have to lock the choke (or alternative armbar) completely, since it is also works as a good pin/hold down.
You may know that holding someone on his back in a dominant position for 25 seconds, is a way to win in Judo. And if anyone wonders, I tried to make a brief 40+ comeback, but my back couldn't take it. :(
Danaher is really leaving money on the table and depriving the world of maybe one of his best gifts, talking and specifically by way of large scale video training.
I could listen to this genius talk for hours about cat food, and I don’t have cats.
I can’t imagine if he started a monologue podcast with deep dives into the amalgamation of history, philosophy, and martial arts as they relate to one another. It would no doubt be PHD level education quality.
I hope you guys make a history of Jiu Jitsu documentary series with John narrating it. Top podcast Bernardo.
And Starring! And not only BJJ but with cross references to other MA! Can you imagine him visiting historical places of martial arts like Greek, Japan (and Brazil? Etc.) while dissecting the development and techniques that lead to modern day BJJ! Imagine HIM, standing on the steps of an ancient japanese (samurai?) temple in a cloudy mountain region spreading his wisdom, just IMAGINE that!
one whole hour of john danaher 🙏
benerdo is so awkwardly entertaining lol
Daduha Fanai Bernardo
That’s a room full of awkward. I love it!
Lololol be ner do 😂
hands down best jiu jitsu podcast, thank you and i cant wait for more, definitely would be cool to hear how he approaches learning new techniques and teaching techniques
Evan “The Strangler” Lewis, American Catch Wrestler, was photographed performing The Triangle. He lived from 1860-1919.
Masaru Hayakawa ,Kosen Judo practitioner is on record to create this move and it took 7 years to become a very well known technic Sankaku Jime or Triangle choke. Circa 1921
I bet If Danaher did a monologue podcast style high production value video of him reading the book of five rings & the art of war with him interjecting his own side tangents & anecdotes on philosophy & martial arts it would become the most listened to digital content in relation to martial arts, philosophy and their impact on life after a few short years. That would be my Bible equivalent and I’d fall asleep to it every night & listen to it to start every day lol
Man I love this. Faria, Danaher and Zenga are the bomb!
2 DVD's Danaher MUST produce:
BJJ for Self-Defense
Teaching Methodology
Danaher is a true sensei. IF he wrote an academic book on what every martial artist should know, I would read it.
I love this pode cast!
Further expansion on “leg-centric grappling” vs. “arm-centric” would be great. These concepts are taught in individual techniques, but I have a hunch that John Danaher has a system dedicated to this concept.
Tremendous amount of precious information!
Congratulations, Bernardo! Awesome podcast!
I've only hit two triangles. The first was a Side Triangle back when I used to train 13 yrs ago-so much easier to do w my short legs. The 2nd was last year after my friend got Jon Danaher's instructionals. You're one of the greatest teachers I've ever had.
Rhis guy is the most clarify thinking person that I ever heard talking about this sport.Please do the video of training methods
This comment is aimed at the John and everyone featured in this podcast and this video series. I'm not a BJJ practitioner I'm a Kendoka but I'm also a coach and I'd like to let you know that although I come from another discipline I still gain tremendous knowledge and benefit from the information you've put out. I particularly like how John places so much priority on positioning and the importance of the legs in martial arts as a whole and in the context of BJJ. I'm looking forward to the coaching approach/training method pod cast when that drops. Thanks guys for the effort and passion you put into your craft.
Great podcast fellas! Really fascinating stuff!
I can't get bored of this man. More podcasts with Danaher if possible and thank you so much for sharing!
Thank you gentlemen! I can't wait to hear the next podcast. Oss! 🙏🏽
The first BJJ class I took was an early morning one. It was myself, the instructor and one other white belt. Luckily, the technique that morning was the triangle. My mind was blown away that someone had invented, or discovered rather the technique. I thought strangling someone unconscious with your legs in seconds was something only hollywood could invent. If we had instead looked at some obscure sweep from half guard, for example, I'm not sure I would have come back for another class.
First the popularity of everyday rash guards, then the return of the fanny pack. I love this guy! 🤙
I read Gene Lebells autobiography a few years ago and he talks about seeing someone when he was young (a catch wrestler, I forget who) doing triangles back when he was v young, well before the 70s. How seriously anyone wants to take that is up to them but I'll see if I can dig that up
Danaher always impresses
I have his whole ETS series, and i was starting with back attacks. However, this episode has convinced me to start with triangles.
Due to the placement of the head near the junk of the attacker ancient clothless grappling may have had biting involved
I love how he calls chokes "strangles/stangulations"
Any bjj content coming from John danaher is pure gold.. please do more of this
Definitely interested in Danaher's training methodology. I'd love to see a podcast on that. Pretty much anything you do with Danaher is going to get a ton of views no matter what you talk about.
John is a living legend of BJJ
He is so Knowledgeable in all aspects of BJJ
OSS
awesome podcast, enjoyed it from start to finish. i have short legs and really struggle to lock triangles. cant wait to work on them some more.
John on methodology
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
John Danaher is amazing. That is probably an understatement.
Bernardo`s voice=Arnold schwarzenegger of bjj......
Get to the triangle!!
Bernardo=Arnold+Kermit (both meant in best possible way)
More like Sylvester Stallone hahah
Yea I'm getting use to his voice lol I don't mind it tho because the informations good
If I could just download John Danaher into my brain and have his voice commentate on my daily life I would be complete
Thank you so much Professors! Sankaku jime is my favorite technique and this podcast was very informative and entertaining! A conversation between Sensei Patrick McCarthy of Koryu Uchinadi and Professor Danaher would be a great service to the martial arts community.
This is awesome
Really appreciate Danaher's insights to grappling and martial arts in general
found out about this today 17/May/2019 ... on the one hand im glad i didnt last year for several reasons but oh boy on the other hand i wished i had these types of things available like 8 years ago. Love these podcasts
Yes, Please do a podcast with Sensei John Danaher on training methodologies, evolution, historical perspectives, in depth insight. Then please make a DVD and online video to add to the collection.
Thank you so, so much for all the great content guys, great podcast! John, you’re changing my life !
Please do the training methods video!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Yes please. Trainning methods.
The Gracies admit that it was Rolls that introduced the triangle after lookikg at a judo book. So yeah, Carlos and Helio didn't know.
that would be strange since it was in judo long before rolls was born and judo was in brazil since 1914 at least.
@@emperorjimmu9941 george mehdi and oswaldo alvez were both helio gracie students who studied judo in japan in the 60s,you would think they brought back a few new tricks.Ive even seen judo books published in the 40s and 50s with the triangle in it.
George Mehdi was not Helio Student, but Osvaldo Alves and Joe Moreira was and they went to Japan to study Kosen Judo in 60s and 70s.
they never went to study kosen,they went to train regular judo to improve their throwing.Mehdi was a gracie student,hes wearing a gi in several photos with helios students.
thank you for this video!!! As a white that favors the triangle I almost give-up on it because I can set them up but can't finish them. very frustrating!!! haha. There is something missing from what I'm doing but after watching this video my love for the triangle returned. Now I will focus more on the triangle and do some reach. Osssss!!!!
Loved the podcast! Please keep it up! Thank you for the knowledge.
Love the show and keep them coming!
So AWESOME!!!!
It was about time to do the podcast
Danaher suggests that Royce's triangle choke against Severn was the first in UFC history, and that the commentators had no idea what was going on. Both points are false.
Jason Delucia defeated Scott Baker at UFC 2 via triangle choke. (Although many databases have it listed as submission due to strikes. Technically, Delucia had locked up the triangle choke from guard, swept Baker to mount, and it's unclear whether Baker taps from the choke or the punches) Furthermore, if you watch the fight, it's clear the commentator (Ben Perry) knew exactly what Delucia was doing, and repeatedly referred to it as a triangle choke while Delucia was locking it up.
Funny enough, the Wikipedia entry on "Triangle choke" also completely fails to credit Delucia, however the UFC 2 entry does list Delucia's win as via triangle choke.
(Similarly, Remco Pardoel defeated Alberto Cerra Leon via Ezekiel choke at UFC 2, yet most databases record this as an armlock win. Food for thought in relying on any database for historical MMA information.)
Nice I'll have to check those out
Problem is very few people actually saw it because it wasnt televised or on the vhs release.
I love that Danaher literally wears a rash guard everywhere, just in case.
I'm so glad that the Anderson Silva win had such an impact on me. I've been fishing for triangles ever since I started, and apparently I'm gonna be better for it.lol
I’ve only watched a few minutes of the video so far but one thing comes to my mind is that Japan started the sport Fighting so it makes sense that in a real fight you might not want to strangle somebody with your legs because you might get something bit off.
I love history. If I am into something, I want to know the history of it. This was an awesome podcast.
Watch out for Professor Robert Drysdales upcoming documentary on the true history of Juijitsu,called Closed Guard. Might shed some light on some of your questions.
I'm still waiting for the history of rash guards by John Danaher.
Tremendous strangle pressure
3 kakujime in JAPAN has historically recognized in Japan before MAEDA ! Hahahaha
「洗濯バサミ」状態に組んで両横から挟んで絞めていたようで、それが葉っぱの形に似ていることから「松葉搦（まつばがらみ）」と呼ばれ、それが三角に組むようになり「三角搦（さんかくがらみ）」、さらに三角絞という呼称に変化していった経緯があります。
I AM INTRESTED. IN EVRYTHING JOHN DOES. MAKE THE VIDS, AM ALL FOR IT . ^^
yes please videos about training methods ! thx for all the free content
+1 on Training Methods! Thank you gentlemen for a great podcast!
Tremendous!!!!
Great stories from danaher
John sounds so diabolical at 41:22 talking about applying the Triangle
Curious about when the leg scissors as a strangle/neck crank came out. Seems very old and possibly pre-empting the triangle date mentioned.
Please keep this series going!!
Catch Wrestling had variations of a Triangle, they didn't differentiate between a body scissor a, head scissor, an or the short arm scissor. It was used as a way of separating the limb from the body , a pinning combo, or the head scissor strangle. Helio was aware of the triangle in the 1930s, Ono Brothers were notorious for it, whom the Gracies' fought. The head scissor finish tended to be the most dominate way of securing a choke with the legs back then amongst the top position grapplers, including Helio. George Gracie was known for his Triangle choke in the 1950s. When it was done from the guard, it wasn't considered a different move, thus didn't get a different name. The Sangaku or scissor is the name of the locking mechanism in the old way of teaching grappling. The 1970s and 80s saw a reinvigoration of the technique, but just like the 2010's and footlocks. Its a rediscovering or readjustment of our attention flows toward particular strategy and technique.
Good stuff!
To me techniques are the most interesting component of jiu jitsu
I'm a professional sailboat racing coach, and a bjj white belt. For the love of God, please do a podcast on training methodologies.
Amazing podcast, amazing crew!
Loved this poudcast!! More of this please!
A training methodologies and best practices discussion would be an amazing podcast!
Only time I’m interested in History.
Damn. Thank you for this.
U are awesome guys.
Also this was an awesome podcast !
mel gibson did a triangle in lethal weapon 1 (1987) if i remember correctly
We need a martial arts history show on the history channel hosted by John Danaher.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH about the triangle from back! It's already my go to. Let's forget we ever talked about this...
Please do the podcast about training methodologies! It would be priceless!
Alright, time to work on my triangles. Thx John!
Could you provide a reference for the historical record of the heel hook? ie the mentioned ancient drawings etc.
check the Fadda lineage of bjj
It’s a centaur heel hooking a dude. The modern heel hook comes from takio Yano via the Handa/mataemon lineage.
Handa/mataemon - Takio Yano - Ivan Gomez
Btw Takio Yano started the Sa lineage (SAS) completely independent from the Gracie lineage. Brazil has a strong history of jiujitsu independent of the Gracie! Gubyson Sa is the current head of the lineage.
Ive seen it in a google search. Its from 1300's japan. Its in it
I will be so happy to watch the video to explain how to train bjj. please I beg you to do the video 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Amazing discussion!
Great idea to make this podcast!