The Klon Centaur is a pretty hyped pedal, The Boss DS1 is not.. Why not combine the two? Social Media / kdhguitartv / kdhguitartv / kdhguitartv Subscribe to support the channel :)
No overdrive pedal is worth $4-$6k or whatever, but I recently got an IRAD Archer Ikon and it sounds fucking MAGICAL. I just think it's a great circuit and the hype really is deserved. That said, it IS just a circuit, which is why you can get a klone put together in China for $40. But I defy you to get yourself a well-rated klone, turn the gain to 3-o'clock, and tell me that it doesn't sound fantastic. Bottom line is that Klon circuit has earned it's place as an entire new "class" of OD in the pantheon (e.g. BluesBreaker, Tube Screamer, etc.).
@@cloudshad0ws Well boss, you're wrong. Anything is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Although the Klon is revered for it's tone, its the exclusivity and rarity that makes it sell for mad money, like Dumbles and Fischers.
The larger enclosure allows the mojo to swell more in the box before its released through that cable. Larger case = more mojo= improved tone, especially in the mids.
Dude, your videos are actually fantastic. I can see passion in everyone of them. Be it the passion for spreading information, making people aware of shitty situations, passion for just shitposting, but I love everyone of them, and it's hard no to see that you like making them. They make my day. Cheers from Brazil!
From Steve Vai to THOU the DS-1 has been part of the foundation of heavy guitar tones for a longer than most haters have been in their human suits. "If you hate the DS-1, then you're using it wrong." - Me, the guy that wrote this post
Boutique peeps: "BOSS is corporate bullshit. I only buy vintage stuff, like this boutique overdrive made in 2017. I need something that gets the sound of 70', 80' and 90's artists". BOSS DS-1: Is literally 40+ years and used by artists of the 70's, 80's and 90's.
I’ve been saying this for years. People buying €300 pedals with silly names like “Drunken Weasel” or “Hairy Bishop” to recreate tones originally recorded with Boss and MXR pedals. And it never dawns on them that the mics, mic preamps, desk, compressors, mastering etc. etc. might have influenced the sound of the guitars on the album.
The DS-1 is such an underrated pedal, especially for lower gain. Back the distortion off a bit, run it into a cleanish Fender style amp and discover how touch sensitive and expressive the DS-1 can be. Much more so than the Tube Screamer. I really love using it this way.
I remember in the mid 2000s playing in a metal band. Every show was a different amp and I couldn’t be arsed lugging around an amp. I used a wah>sd1>ds1>eq7. It was epic. Loved an sd1 in front of a ds1
If you set the SD-1 for an edge-of-breakup overdrive sound and then put the DS-1 BEFORE it sounds waay better and heavier, just like the sound of "All She Wrote" from Firehouse. It's like having the DS-1 in front of a crunchy amp, the SD-1 acts like the amp, and you can do other tricks: If you put the SD-1's level a little up you can have a volume boost instead of gain boost for solos after playing rhythm with just the DS and you can control the overall distorted tone with the SD's tone control which is after the DS and it's more effective than the DS's tone control! Enjoy!
I built a Klon Centaur clone for $30 and it's the most amazing pedal I've ever heard. Rich harmonics and sustain. It drive the amp nicely and has quite the volume boost too.
@@fdfsdfsvsfgsg4888 yes. Amazon has them. My expectations were very low, given the price, but when I turned it on and played with the knobs, I couldn't believe the range of the tone. Then I put a wampler compressor and a ts9 at unity gain before the klone, tone knob to zero on the ts9 and omfg that sweet tone. Add a touch of reverb and a good bit of delay and it's like Andy Timmons like tone.
The DS-1 was also favoured by Gary Moore in the early eighties, during his hard rock and metal era. He loved using it with his '63 strat, as he found it gave him a heavy tone without sacrificing the Strat's character.It's all over the Victims Of The Future album.
Haha, I have a 1979 DS-1 long dash which came from Ireland, haha the guy said Rory Gallagher had most likely played it..yeah right I have 2x an '87, and a Taiwan Robert Keeley originally done by himself Ultra/Seeing Eye Mod, the 2010 black special edition(MIJ) , I also want to get the Waza version to finish it off. I have had a '85 and another '87 but I sold those (one had a crap mod on it which was not declared) Also I got a 1992 DS-2(because Cobain had this year of DS-2.) I never got the DS-1 with the new printplate and electronics (the versions you can't modify) I got most at a low price but I will most likely keep them, funny thing is that they do all sound different even the '87 's. They do give a killer Moore tone when used right Love the video's mate, greetings from an Irishman in the Netherlands
Another excellent video KDH. Your channel is my favourite subscription, and I pounce on your uploads the instant I see a new one. Everything you do, from your reviews, to your "Audio Audits" is done so professionally and is researched so well. You can see your honesty and integrity shine through, and your guitar playing is excellent. You do yourself much credit. You're only 22 yet you conduct yourself with the wisdom of someone much older. You deserve all the success that you're DEFINITELY going to get.
I’ve got a soft spot for the DS-1, even though it doesn’t really suit my professional tonal needs these days. I still have the same one I bought in 1995, and still use it at home. I also have the Vox Satchurator, which was essentially a DS-1 with a boost circuit developed for Satch… Fantastic pedal!
I have two Klon pedals. Both were bought for $239 at a guitar store across the street from Berklee while I was a student. At the time, there were not a lot of pedals at that price, but it sounded great. The second was purchased from the same store a few years later. Every other pedal on my board (only about four) are all Boss - TU-3, SG-1, DM-2, PN-2, and all are well over thirty years old, aside from the tuner. I don't want to sell mine because I've had it for years and couldn't afford another if I wanted one. I wouldn't pay $5000 for one, but it does sound great.
That’s awesome. I just picked up a used DOD Grunge pedal for like $30. It’s not useful for everyday distortion but it works as an alternative to line6 insane mode lol
I have a DS-1 I got in 1983-84(I got it for Christmas from an aunt a couple months after Christmas)and I've taken care of it and sounds great.2018 I decided to buy one new for $50 at GC and see how much better my older one sounded.They sound pretty much the same If anything the new one might sound a little better.
Got my DS-1 for $25 and it's awesome! It really depends on the guitar and amp you're using. Single coils into a Marshall sounds sweet! Single coils into a Fender - not quite as good but still nice.
DS-1 was my first ever guitar pedal, and I got lots of use and great tones from it for well over a decade. Love that little pedal. I never understood the hate it got from some people.
I remember starting to play guitar in the 1990s and walking into Steve’s music in Ottawa and asking for that orange pedal that kobain used. Good times.
Great vid, great idea, I'm not really active anymore when it comes to modding stuff but I might be inspired by you to start experimenting again lol! I own a Mosky Silver Horse, paid like $25 for it, in the various demo and comparison vids that have seen there is barely any difference when compared to other klones or even a real Klon. If there is an audible difference, I can't hear it. But I hardly use the pedal because it doesn't impress me. What I use most is a Tone City Golden Plexi V2 combined with a Harley Benton Tube15 and a 2x12 Celestion V30 cab, it sounds awesome. I have that setup because I live in a small apartment and don't want to piss off the neighbors and I also want to keep the volume down because severe tinnitus, after spending 35 years on stage playing punk, rock and metal way too loud and thinking i was being tough for not using earplugs.
The DS1 was one of my first pedals. I had high hopes, but I couldn't get the sound I wanted out of it. However, that was because I knew nothing about tone, or the dynamic between your own touch/delivery, and how the output side plays on it. So of course, I couldn't dial it in, and everything I played sounded bad. I think when it comes to things like the Line 6 spiders, those crate amps, a bunch of boss and digitech stuff... the reason people snob them off is because their main experiences with those products was when they didn't know how to get in harmony with them and find the tones they do well with. Every standard piece of gear has some utility in building tones. You leverage that by identifying its distinguishing attributes, and doing a combination of adjusting your playing, and adjusting the knobs. It's harder to learn than shredding techniques! You can play like Tim Henson and still not know how to sound good. Sometimes it takes years of patiently honing sensibilities, long after you're a legato master or whatever. Sometimes you have to wait till you're exposed to the right things. There's no school you can go to learn how to craft the tone in your head. You can learn how to use gear and daws. But it's like learning music theory. Helpful as a tool, but it's not going to hand you the key to producing things that really move human beings - it merely describes the known mechanics of things that already do. The generative part comes from you, a creative synthesis must take place, that requires your specific input. There's no 'philosopher's tone' out there. It also comes from you, and how you leverage what you have creatively. We are artists. Having good tone and finger expression is like cooking. There is a mechanical side to it, but the real magic comes out in the more personal, trail-and-error side of it. There's nothing you can just buy that will make you a chef. You'll only ruin the best ingredients without a developed taste. And yet, a good chef can make even the I-can't-believe-it's-not-cheese slop that is velveeta sing a new song. You'll see that attitude change nearly every time somebody revisits some 'old junk' they used to hate - it's almost never as bad as they remember because they have not only improved drastically on their instrument, but because they know how to coax the sounds they want out of gear. Over the years they changed, and suddenly that pedal is almost appealing to them, they want to explore the possibilities more. That's the part snobs miss: exploring possibilities. People get spoiled rotten collecting pedals, lots of junk expectations pile up that to me actually cloud-out the tone quest. You get used to just buying the things that do the things you want. But I mean... it's not like you can just go up on stage, show everyone your pedals, and call it a show. Personally, I think people focus wayyyy too much on choosing which amps/pedals to use and not enough on how to use the ones they already have lol. Can't help but notice that most pedals people like to rag on have more uses than those people ever acknowledge, that simply went unvalued or unexplored by them. That's its own skill, right? What's the saying about a craftsman and his tools? Give me a guitarist who dumps on 9 out of 10 pieces of gear that millions of people use with great success, and I'll show you someone who can't make compelling music, even when money is no object.
had klons in the early 2000's 3 to be exact and sold them back in the day. they were ok back then and ok now. its not impossible to achieve that tone without one. anyone paying that $6000 price tag for a klon is absolutely crazy! its a $300 pedal at best and always will be.
especially with how good digital modeling is, i prefer physical units because i have the attention span of a gnat so haveing something to tinker with in person helps, but to save 3k? nahh im whipping out the laptop
Because it's not surface mount you can easily upgrade components of the same value or experiment with different component values. You can also go from ceramic to electrolytic to tantalum or to orange drop. It's fun to mod these pedals.
Older ds1 circuit boards the power jacks are different and can be altered. Rehouse a mini Klon clone and add a 3 way switch for circuit selection or combination? The Mosky silver horse would fit with room to spare. Add a voltage split for 18 volt for each circuit getting the 9 each circuit runs off of. In a sense you could mix circuits and create something new... Then do a ds1 mod for a flavor change.
I'll give you a fiver for it. Seriously, that is well cool. I've got an old DS-1 lying around and it's a great place to start for basic warm guitar tone. I've done synth gigs where I've had the Strat going through just the DS-1 into a Peavey Bandit with a dod of reverb and all I've needed is the volume control, it just delivers great rhythm and lead tones that sit in the mix perfectly.
That box made it sound way better. I always felt the opposite about distortions. The cheaper, the better. Home-made is the best of all. Great video and cheers from the US east coast.
My singal chain right now: HM2->DS1->NS2->HM3->MT2->DS2 into rack rev/dly and graph eq straight into power amp. Got all the distortion flavours I want!
Anything that showcases the DS-1 in a positive light is a win. I bought mine in the early 90s due to Kurt Cobain and Dave Navarro using them, and still use it all the time. Throw an EQ pedal after it and make it sound however you want (can be easily shaped to get killer heavy metal tones). I can probably do the JHS Bad Monkey trick and make it sound like a Klon...
I did buy a DS1 a few years back, coz I heard that Satch had used one, but it didn't satchurate enough for my needs so I sold it, if you want a great Boss distortion, the Angry Driver pedal is the best sounding pedal I have heard people demonstrating, I want one, but I already bought a Revv G4, which is ok, but not as satchurated as I would've liked also, so yeah, the Angry Driver, and, it takes a battery too, unlike the Revv G4, which I wouldn't have bought if I had known.
For a moment before watching this I thought that Boss had actually done some weird collaboration with Klon - wouldn't have been that surprising after the Angry Driver, that Verumam/Ibanez tube screamer & the MT2 re-released seemingly off the back of it being a meme. I am VERY pleased to discover that it's just a project you did for lols.
The ds1 is my favorite distortion pedal. I use them with a 57 tweed twin a 77 princeton reverb and a marshall jcm 800 2204, I own 2 of them. one from 2004 and one from 1984. They both sound slightly different. I think this was a cool project. I'm going to make one for myself just because. I also have a klon clone from Ceriatone it's a cool overdrive, nothing like a ds1 though. I tend to favor the Nobles OD1 for a universal overdrive.
I'm from Indiana. When I lived in New York City, people would ask where I'm from. Occasionally they'd mis-hear me as answering "I'm from India," which led to them giving me some odd looks.
Nice! I believe I would have had to put the switch in the center of the Boss rubber block for overall symmetry, but can see why you choose to square it with the corner of the box. Fun project!
Did anyone else get 'had' on April fools day by the dude who built the opposite of this? - you know, he built the Boss Klon Centaur. A real original idea that. Fooled me. And because of that it took me a few days to get around to biting this thumbnail, coz I know where you got THIS idea from KDH! But, great entertaining content as always. And hey, ain't the DS-1 got a cool sound, at the end of the day, 8:30, brilliant
I modded mine to have a LED that clips, like the Keeley guy does. I love that pedal. If anyone's into actually building projects, there's lots of small companies that make the circuit boards. I have Aion Electronics' Klon clone pedal. Good shit.
I do believe there is a more sought-after version of the DS-1, from around 1978. Acoording to Electrosmash, it used the preamplifier IC TA7136, not an OP Amp, before the clipping stage.
Crazy funny, coincidental or whatever. Yesterday, I pulled my DS-1 out of the bottom of a drawer and started using it. This evening I see this video. I used my DS-1 all day. Today I did something I had never done when I was younger, that being using my DS-1 at lower gain settings. Totally new respect for it. Loved your DS Klon 1tar pedal housing. You should get the Klon knobs. I like your channel, subscribing.
There are centaur clones going for less than 30 usd (wish, Alibaba etc) and you could modify them or just use the enclosure for any build. Also check out Boss ST-2 (I love it, tons of gain and distortion/overdrive variety)
I have the 40th anniversary model, which is black with gold. These things don't sound all that great, but the modability is insane. As I'm going to study electric engineering, I can't wait to mod mine.
Ha Ha! I love this video! Yeah, I never got the Klon thing. I tried one back in '90 or so, whenever they came out, at a shop in L.A. that I frequented. Back then they were about $300 or so, which was still outrageous. It sounded good, but I didn't flip over it. I've used a number of pedals and personally prefer a mixture of pedal and amp distortion. I don't like ultra-high gain amps. I am perfectly happy using my Boss SD-1 Waza Craft edition. For me, this pedal is fancy enough. I love what the Waza mod does, which is ad a bit more treble and presence, but I would not tell anyone to just go out and get it. A regular SD-1 is good enough. The DS-1 is also a great pedal. I've owned a few. They work great with amps that already have a bit of overdrive. They push it over the edge. That' sit. A DS-1 or SD-1 or Tube Screamer or Klon are not designed to turn a clean amp like a Fender Twin into a roaring gain monster. They just give you an extra push that can be very satisfying. I used my SD-1 to push my Marshal DSL into a more focused response or to boost for leads. That's it. I find it has a nice, sweet tone and gets the job done. Same with the DS-1, speaking of which, I will probably get another one soon.
Stupid but fun. The Vox satchurator wasn't that far away, just with the "more" and "pad" switch and a stacked (parrallel) opamp for slightly less noise.
"a little bit of snobbery in the guitar pedal world". understatement of the year
Thats why i put shit like amazon pedals and a fake metal zone(its real but not actually in the circuit)fuck those nerds
Understatement of the eon
Lololol
And none could plug straight in and sound good without a computer to assist either.
Sorry, Dave. I should have read down the comments before I posted...
This is calling for a reverse centaur decal: human lower body, horse head and torso
So a Minotaur but with a horse head
@@theccarbiter basically
Brilliant
So Bojack? You're s genius!
or Bojack Horseman
Put a DS-1 circuit inside a real Klon, sell it to a RUclipsr, and watch them rave about the unmatched *t o n e*.
Nah it would have to be an od-3 so they don't get suspicious by the amount of distortion
No overdrive pedal is worth $4-$6k or whatever, but I recently got an IRAD Archer Ikon and it sounds fucking MAGICAL. I just think it's a great circuit and the hype really is deserved. That said, it IS just a circuit, which is why you can get a klone put together in China for $40. But I defy you to get yourself a well-rated klone, turn the gain to 3-o'clock, and tell me that it doesn't sound fantastic.
Bottom line is that Klon circuit has earned it's place as an entire new "class" of OD in the pantheon (e.g. BluesBreaker, Tube Screamer, etc.).
@@burnoutzzz Dude. The OD3 is so good.
I'm shitting
@@cloudshad0ws Well boss, you're wrong. Anything is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Although the Klon is revered for it's tone, its the exclusivity and rarity that makes it sell for mad money, like Dumbles and Fischers.
I love how this channel has super serius videos like the audio audits, and then there are really cursed ones like the fender fedora video
I enjoy the freedom of uploading whatever I want
@@KDH Hear hear!
I’ll swap you a fedora for the pedal!!!
Thanks I’m gonna have to check that one out too. Seeing KDH be a little ridiculous on this one has made me bigger fan for sure hahaha love it
The Fender hat is a trilby, not a fedora.
The larger enclosure allows the mojo to swell more in the box before its released through that cable. Larger case = more mojo= improved tone, especially in the mids.
peak bro science
And the mids are HAUNTING
I could def hear that girth.
We need a Boss Klon Metal Zone MT2 Centaur!
it's secretly a 6 knob pedal, if you separate them all out as individual pots you bring in the "more knobs is more good " crowd.
How about a Tonebender Klon? 😉
"There seems to be A LITTLE BIT of snobbery in the pedal world"
Suuuuuuuure :p
lol it is now built and sustained almost entirely on that
A slight understatement
Not only in the PEDAL world.
just a little bit tho
I can hear the exclusive tone that only “refined ears” can hear. Must be the paintjob
Brilliant, sir!
Dude, your videos are actually fantastic. I can see passion in everyone of them. Be it the passion for spreading information, making people aware of shitty situations, passion for just shitposting, but I love everyone of them, and it's hard no to see that you like making them. They make my day. Cheers from Brazil!
From Steve Vai to THOU the DS-1 has been part of the foundation of heavy guitar tones for a longer than most haters have been in their human suits.
"If you hate the DS-1, then you're using it wrong." - Me, the guy that wrote this post
Steve Rothery from Marillion uses the ds1 in front of a jazz chorus amp to get his beautiful lead tone you hear in "easter".
Ya sure jhs didnt say that about the ds1?
I've got the DS-1 40th Anniversary edition. I've managed to use it to amplify AM radio signals that are being picked up through my amp 🤣 Cool project!
😂😂😂
idk that might indicate that you're having an RF interference problem
Boutique peeps:
"BOSS is corporate bullshit. I only buy vintage stuff, like this boutique overdrive made in 2017. I need something that gets the sound of 70', 80' and 90's artists".
BOSS DS-1:
Is literally 40+ years and used by artists of the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Don't forget that those $400 boutique pedals are based on the ds1
I’ve been saying this for years. People buying €300 pedals with silly names like “Drunken Weasel” or “Hairy Bishop” to recreate tones originally recorded with Boss and MXR pedals. And it never dawns on them that the mics, mic preamps, desk, compressors, mastering etc. etc. might have influenced the sound of the guitars on the album.
@@Dreyno I made a two-button design "Hairy Bishop Is A Drunken Weasel". The bishop side has a Hairy/Horny switch. Yours for $799 pre-order
They don't get it. Sad.
@@punkassfunk what's the switch for weasel side? Innocent/killed 27 kids?
The 'improvement' in tone is nothing short of miraculous! The tone casing does wonders! \m/
The DS-1 is such an underrated pedal, especially for lower gain. Back the distortion off a bit, run it into a cleanish Fender style amp and discover how touch sensitive and expressive the DS-1 can be. Much more so than the Tube Screamer. I really love using it this way.
Yeah I was messing around with tones one day and got an absolutey insane low gain percussive djent tone with one
Dude I clipped the diodes out of one of mine and it does everything from clean boost to gated op amp annihilation
I used to run my ds-1 into my music man and I would run an sh-6 through the bridge and get a really nice bright metal tone
Definitely sounds better than any other DS-1 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Like every other pedal in the world, except the metal zone. DS1 is a bee factory.
But it's just the DS1 circuitry in a different box... 😂😂😂😂🙄
@@somewhatsomething4882 Don't you remeber when Billy Corgan said white guitars have bettter tone?
@@docnova did he really lol
@@Macnuggetz Yep ruclips.net/video/UWC0ykiwW0w/видео.html @ around 1:00 mark.
Everywhere is a understatement, I went to clinical examination of a triple bypass surgery and the Dr. Pulled a DS1 out of a man's chest
Well, now maybe it's true bypass with the boss pedal removed lol
Needs the circuit coating in epoxy to add up the "mystery" 👍
And to improve the tone as well.
Maybe nitro lacquer to allow the harmonics to breathe 🤔
@@NewFalconerRecords let it to snob guitarrists. They do it for free.
I thought for sure he was going to do that, suprised he did not.
I remember in the mid 2000s playing in a metal band. Every show was a different amp and I couldn’t be arsed lugging around an amp. I used a wah>sd1>ds1>eq7. It was epic. Loved an sd1 in front of a ds1
If you set the SD-1 for an edge-of-breakup overdrive sound and then put the DS-1 BEFORE it sounds waay better and heavier, just like the sound of "All She Wrote" from Firehouse. It's like having the DS-1 in front of a crunchy amp, the SD-1 acts like the amp, and you can do other tricks: If you put the SD-1's level a little up you can have a volume boost instead of gain boost for solos after playing rhythm with just the DS and you can control the overall distorted tone with the SD's tone control which is after the DS and it's more effective than the DS's tone control! Enjoy!
the eq7 was the major improvement
I use the SD-1 in front of my DS-1 and use it as a lead/midrange boost. I play in a classic and blues rock cover band
"...there appears to be a bit of snobbery in the guitar pedal world..."
Understatement of the year!
PS. as that is now unique, must be worth thousands!
I think the logo for your pedal should be a centaur, but half man, half pig. Just to make fun of pedal snobs. It sounded brilliant, BTW.
And a "Super Cereal" boost switch with an extra half bear to go between the man and pig
@@jammyninja Yes! Looked at the replies on this comment to see if someone made this joke, was not disappointed! 😂
@@jammyninja Make that a boost switch that puts it into MT-2 territory and watch as the pedal snobs get triggered, lol.
If someone hadn't made the "ManBearPig" yet,you know it's coming...And the guy who said "super cereal" Boost is right on track.👍🤘
but what if it was half man, half bear ... and half pig?
I built a Klon Centaur clone for $30 and it's the most amazing pedal I've ever heard. Rich harmonics and sustain. It drive the amp nicely and has quite the volume boost too.
Did that actually happen?
@@fdfsdfsvsfgsg4888 yes. Amazon has them. My expectations were very low, given the price, but when I turned it on and played with the knobs, I couldn't believe the range of the tone.
Then I put a wampler compressor and a ts9 at unity gain before the klone, tone knob to zero on the ts9 and omfg that sweet tone. Add a touch of reverb and a good bit of delay and it's like Andy Timmons like tone.
Before I watched the video and based off the thumbnail alone, I searched for this pedal online. Says a lot about my snobbery haha. Great video.
+ Mom, can we have a Klon Centaur?
_- We already have a Klon Centaur at home_
*The Klon Centaur at home:*
jokes aside this looks very amazing
Hahahha
This was amazing. You nailed the look of the pedal. Very well done!
Keep up the great content!
-Luis
"I consider this an absolute win" -KDH 2021
The DS-1 was also favoured by Gary Moore in the early eighties, during his hard rock and metal era. He loved using it with his '63 strat, as he found it gave him a heavy tone without sacrificing the Strat's character.It's all over the Victims Of The Future album.
Haha, I have a 1979 DS-1 long dash which came from Ireland, haha the guy said Rory Gallagher had most likely played it..yeah right
I have 2x an '87, and a Taiwan Robert Keeley originally done by himself Ultra/Seeing Eye Mod, the 2010 black special edition(MIJ) , I also want to get the Waza version to finish it off.
I have had a '85 and another '87 but I sold those (one had a crap mod on it which was not declared)
Also I got a 1992 DS-2(because Cobain had this year of DS-2.)
I never got the DS-1 with the new printplate and electronics (the versions you can't modify)
I got most at a low price but I will most likely keep them, funny thing is that they do all sound different even the '87 's.
They do give a killer Moore tone when used right
Love the video's mate, greetings from an Irishman in the Netherlands
If this had a centaur graphic on it or something that said "Boss Klon," it'd easily sell for 500 USD on Reverb.
Very interesting video, my men... thought provoking indeed...kudos !
knowing it's not real, and still getting the urge of "omg i gotta have that"
Another excellent video KDH. Your channel is my favourite subscription, and I pounce on your uploads the instant I see a new one. Everything you do, from your reviews, to your "Audio Audits" is done so professionally and is researched so well. You can see your honesty and integrity shine through, and your guitar playing is excellent. You do yourself much credit. You're only 22 yet you conduct yourself with the wisdom of someone much older. You deserve all the success that you're DEFINITELY going to get.
A truly "transparent" attempt, all about the tone purity. Great job!
This was fun! I have a channel switcher for my Marshall in Hunter green and aquarium stickers on it! DS1s are cool and yours is one of a kind!
I’ve got a soft spot for the DS-1, even though it doesn’t really suit my professional tonal needs these days. I still have the same one I bought in 1995, and still use it at home. I also have the Vox Satchurator, which was essentially a DS-1 with a boost circuit developed for Satch… Fantastic pedal!
I have two Klon pedals. Both were bought for $239 at a guitar store across the street from Berklee while I was a student. At the time, there were not a lot of pedals at that price, but it sounded great. The second was purchased from the same store a few years later. Every other pedal on my board (only about four) are all Boss - TU-3, SG-1, DM-2, PN-2, and all are well over thirty years old, aside from the tuner. I don't want to sell mine because I've had it for years and couldn't afford another if I wanted one. I wouldn't pay $5000 for one, but it does sound great.
That’s awesome. I just picked up a used DOD Grunge pedal for like $30. It’s not useful for everyday distortion but it works as an alternative to line6 insane mode lol
I have a DS-1 I got in 1983-84(I got it for Christmas from an aunt a couple months after Christmas)and I've taken care of it and sounds great.2018 I decided to buy one new for $50 at GC and see how much better my older one sounded.They sound pretty much the same If anything the new one might sound a little better.
Got my DS-1 for $25 and it's awesome! It really depends on the guitar and amp you're using. Single coils into a Marshall sounds sweet! Single coils into a Fender - not quite as good but still nice.
Keep going man. You are about to take off. Big. Just hang in their and keep doing what you do
GREAT CHANNEL KDH keep um coming buddy !!
I can't lie, putting it in the new case made me want to believe it sounds better
The orange spray paint really added to the crunch of the amp, and the bigger circuit housing gives the pedal more headroom
DS-1 was my first ever guitar pedal, and I got lots of use and great tones from it for well over a decade. Love that little pedal. I never understood the hate it got from some people.
When people buy pricey gear they get butthurt when cheaper gear sounds just as good. That's pretty much why.
I love my DS 1, if i could only have one pedal it’d be that or a tuner.
well done on so many levels
I remember starting to play guitar in the 1990s and walking into Steve’s music in Ottawa and asking for that orange pedal that kobain used. Good times.
Great vid, great idea, I'm not really active anymore when it comes to modding stuff but I might be inspired by you to start experimenting again lol! I own a Mosky Silver Horse, paid like $25 for it, in the various demo and comparison vids that have seen there is barely any difference when compared to other klones or even a real Klon. If there is an audible difference, I can't hear it. But I hardly use the pedal because it doesn't impress me. What I use most is a Tone City Golden Plexi V2 combined with a Harley Benton Tube15 and a 2x12 Celestion V30 cab, it sounds awesome. I have that setup because I live in a small apartment and don't want to piss off the neighbors and I also want to keep the volume down because severe tinnitus, after spending 35 years on stage playing punk, rock and metal way too loud and thinking i was being tough for not using earplugs.
Got a “like” from me! Cool, fun little project. Kinda like how Colin from CSguitar mounted a Boss Metal Zone in a spiked out BC Rich guitar.
really appreciate you as one of the only skeptical gear channels on here
Use a power cable extender to go from the 9v on the board to where you want to input to be and glue it in place, twill be grand!
You sir, are a genius. Absolutely brilliant!
I want to copy this but with a BBE Sonic Max to really get some nerds going.
The DS1 was one of my first pedals. I had high hopes, but I couldn't get the sound I wanted out of it.
However, that was because I knew nothing about tone, or the dynamic between your own touch/delivery, and how the output side plays on it. So of course, I couldn't dial it in, and everything I played sounded bad.
I think when it comes to things like the Line 6 spiders, those crate amps, a bunch of boss and digitech stuff... the reason people snob them off is because their main experiences with those products was when they didn't know how to get in harmony with them and find the tones they do well with. Every standard piece of gear has some utility in building tones. You leverage that by identifying its distinguishing attributes, and doing a combination of adjusting your playing, and adjusting the knobs. It's harder to learn than shredding techniques! You can play like Tim Henson and still not know how to sound good. Sometimes it takes years of patiently honing sensibilities, long after you're a legato master or whatever. Sometimes you have to wait till you're exposed to the right things.
There's no school you can go to learn how to craft the tone in your head. You can learn how to use gear and daws. But it's like learning music theory. Helpful as a tool, but it's not going to hand you the key to producing things that really move human beings - it merely describes the known mechanics of things that already do. The generative part comes from you, a creative synthesis must take place, that requires your specific input. There's no 'philosopher's tone' out there. It also comes from you, and how you leverage what you have creatively. We are artists. Having good tone and finger expression is like cooking. There is a mechanical side to it, but the real magic comes out in the more personal, trail-and-error side of it. There's nothing you can just buy that will make you a chef. You'll only ruin the best ingredients without a developed taste. And yet, a good chef can make even the I-can't-believe-it's-not-cheese slop that is velveeta sing a new song.
You'll see that attitude change nearly every time somebody revisits some 'old junk' they used to hate - it's almost never as bad as they remember because they have not only improved drastically on their instrument, but because they know how to coax the sounds they want out of gear. Over the years they changed, and suddenly that pedal is almost appealing to them, they want to explore the possibilities more. That's the part snobs miss: exploring possibilities. People get spoiled rotten collecting pedals, lots of junk expectations pile up that to me actually cloud-out the tone quest. You get used to just buying the things that do the things you want. But I mean... it's not like you can just go up on stage, show everyone your pedals, and call it a show. Personally, I think people focus wayyyy too much on choosing which amps/pedals to use and not enough on how to use the ones they already have lol. Can't help but notice that most pedals people like to rag on have more uses than those people ever acknowledge, that simply went unvalued or unexplored by them.
That's its own skill, right? What's the saying about a craftsman and his tools? Give me a guitarist who dumps on 9 out of 10 pieces of gear that millions of people use with great success, and I'll show you someone who can't make compelling music, even when money is no object.
Cool project! Some bigger knobs, but in the same form factor as the DS-1's, might look good too
had klons in the early 2000's 3 to be exact and sold them back in the day. they were ok back then and ok now. its not impossible to achieve that tone without one.
anyone paying that $6000 price tag for a klon is absolutely crazy! its a $300 pedal at best and always will be.
especially with how good digital modeling is, i prefer physical units because i have the attention span of a gnat so haveing something to tinker with in person helps, but to save 3k? nahh im whipping out the laptop
That orange layer you put on the shell really adds to the t o n e
Because it's not surface mount you can easily upgrade components of the same value or experiment with different component values. You can also go from ceramic to electrolytic to tantalum or to orange drop. It's fun to mod these pedals.
Guitar world did an article about your video! I saw it and laughed. Great channel man. Love your vids.
KDH you're a trend setter. This is awesome.
Older ds1 circuit boards the power jacks are different and can be altered. Rehouse a mini Klon clone and add a 3 way switch for circuit selection or combination? The Mosky silver horse would fit with room to spare. Add a voltage split for 18 volt for each circuit getting the 9 each circuit runs off of. In a sense you could mix circuits and create something new... Then do a ds1 mod for a flavor change.
This is actually amazing. Love the idea. And I feel like you did an amazing job
The DS-1 is fascinating to me. It's extremely common but it sounds so unique.
Great video. Very entertaining. Very funny in its presentation. You're right about those snobs, they're everywhere, aren't they?
I'll give you a fiver for it. Seriously, that is well cool. I've got an old DS-1 lying around and it's a great place to start for basic warm guitar tone. I've done synth gigs where I've had the Strat going through just the DS-1 into a Peavey Bandit with a dod of reverb and all I've needed is the volume control, it just delivers great rhythm and lead tones that sit in the mix perfectly.
That box made it sound way better. I always felt the opposite about distortions. The cheaper, the better. Home-made is the best of all. Great video and cheers from the US east coast.
It’s the box shape that makes it sound amazing, clearly.
My singal chain right now: HM2->DS1->NS2->HM3->MT2->DS2 into rack rev/dly and graph eq straight into power amp. Got all the distortion flavours I want!
Some might call you... The BOSS MAN.
Anything that showcases the DS-1 in a positive light is a win. I bought mine in the early 90s due to Kurt Cobain and Dave Navarro using them, and still use it all the time. Throw an EQ pedal after it and make it sound however you want (can be easily shaped to get killer heavy metal tones). I can probably do the JHS Bad Monkey trick and make it sound like a Klon...
Excellent job sir! I really enjoy your videos no matter the subject.
Subscribed because this is an insane project.
"You've probably seen one before." Turns around and stares at my DS-1.I feel attacked.
I did buy a DS1 a few years back, coz I heard that Satch had used one, but it didn't satchurate enough for my needs so I sold it, if you want a great Boss distortion, the Angry Driver pedal is the best sounding pedal I have heard people demonstrating, I want one, but I already bought a Revv G4, which is ok, but not as satchurated as I would've liked also, so yeah, the Angry Driver, and, it takes a battery too, unlike the Revv G4, which I wouldn't have bought if I had known.
This is great! The DS-1 sounds like a weaker fuzz pedal to me. I dont think it sounds bad I just wouldn't consider it distortion.
I mean... fuzz is a TYPE of distortion, soooo
remember they where designed to be ran into loud stacks to, volume changes the way these act by alot
I'm kind of tempted to reproduce this, but with a Behringer Tube Screamer for the ultimate mashup of least and most accessible.
You don't have to remove or break the power jack. Just make a little extension cable inside the case.
For a moment before watching this I thought that Boss had actually done some weird collaboration with Klon - wouldn't have been that surprising after the Angry Driver, that Verumam/Ibanez tube screamer & the MT2 re-released seemingly off the back of it being a meme. I am VERY pleased to discover that it's just a project you did for lols.
My first pedal I got for free and it was a DS1 clone called Tokai Distortion or in short TDS-1. Made in japan.
I still have 3 of these.. 2 lightly modded and 1 stock. There is something wicked using these with a Marshall.
Actually the fuzzy tone you have here is gold to my ears
The ds1 is my favorite distortion pedal. I use them with a 57 tweed twin a 77 princeton reverb and a marshall jcm 800 2204, I own 2 of them. one from 2004 and one from 1984. They both sound slightly different. I think this was a cool project. I'm going to make one for myself just because. I also have a klon clone from Ceriatone it's a cool overdrive, nothing like a ds1 though. I tend to favor the Nobles OD1 for a universal overdrive.
I'm from Indiana. When I lived in New York City, people would ask where I'm from. Occasionally they'd mis-hear me as answering "I'm from India," which led to them giving me some odd looks.
Nice! I believe I would have had to put the switch in the center of the Boss rubber block for overall symmetry, but can see why you choose to square it with the corner of the box. Fun project!
I got to try a klon once at a jam. I was 18 and didn’t even know what a Klon was I’m not going to lie it really did make me feel awesome
Now it sounds soooooo much better :D
Did anyone else get 'had' on April fools day by the dude who built the opposite of this? - you know, he built the Boss Klon Centaur.
A real original idea that.
Fooled me.
And because of that it took me a few days to get around to biting this thumbnail, coz I know where you got THIS idea from KDH!
But, great entertaining content as always. And hey, ain't the DS-1 got a cool sound, at the end of the day, 8:30, brilliant
I modded mine to have a LED that clips, like the Keeley guy does. I love that pedal. If anyone's into actually building projects, there's lots of small companies that make the circuit boards. I have Aion Electronics' Klon clone pedal. Good shit.
Alright I’ll buy one. 😂
I’ve gone 32 years trying to resist but I need it if it comes in a klon style enclosure. Shut up and take my money!!!😂😂😂
TBH I wish more pedals looked like this there's just something about the design language that looks super appealing.
I do believe there is a more sought-after version of the DS-1, from around 1978. Acoording to Electrosmash, it used the preamplifier IC TA7136, not an OP Amp, before the clipping stage.
Crazy funny, coincidental or whatever. Yesterday, I pulled my DS-1 out of the bottom of a drawer and started using it. This evening I see this video. I used my DS-1 all day. Today I did something I had never done when I was younger, that being using my DS-1 at lower gain settings. Totally new respect for it.
Loved your DS Klon 1tar pedal housing. You should get the Klon knobs.
I like your channel, subscribing.
the low gain settings of the DS 1 really do have some kind of magic
I have a Keeley modded DS1 and it's pretty good I think.
I've got an Ultra Mod as well and really enjoy it. It added some extra versatility to an already decent pedal.
Pedal building snobs may look weird at it, but that's damn awesome
For all that rag on this pedal, it's actually a decent sound, and they wouldn't sell in such large numbers if they were garbage.
There are centaur clones going for less than 30 usd (wish, Alibaba etc) and you could modify them or just use the enclosure for any build. Also check out Boss ST-2 (I love it, tons of gain and distortion/overdrive variety)
this is exactly why i love youtube
For the power jack, you could just buy a short extension cable. Would probably work just as well.
I have the 40th anniversary model, which is black with gold. These things don't sound all that great, but the modability is insane. As I'm going to study electric engineering, I can't wait to mod mine.
Totally sounds better than a regular DS-1! You’ve solved the key to a good sounding pedal - the case. 😉
Time to do this to a metalzone
Ha Ha! I love this video! Yeah, I never got the Klon thing. I tried one back in '90 or so, whenever they came out, at a shop in L.A. that I frequented. Back then they were about $300 or so, which was still outrageous. It sounded good, but I didn't flip over it. I've used a number of pedals and personally prefer a mixture of pedal and amp distortion. I don't like ultra-high gain amps. I am perfectly happy using my Boss SD-1 Waza Craft edition. For me, this pedal is fancy enough. I love what the Waza mod does, which is ad a bit more treble and presence, but I would not tell anyone to just go out and get it. A regular SD-1 is good enough. The DS-1 is also a great pedal. I've owned a few. They work great with amps that already have a bit of overdrive. They push it over the edge. That' sit. A DS-1 or SD-1 or Tube Screamer or Klon are not designed to turn a clean amp like a Fender Twin into a roaring gain monster. They just give you an extra push that can be very satisfying. I used my SD-1 to push my Marshal DSL into a more focused response or to boost for leads. That's it. I find it has a nice, sweet tone and gets the job done. Same with the DS-1, speaking of which, I will probably get another one soon.
Stupid but fun. The Vox satchurator wasn't that far away, just with the "more" and "pad" switch and a stacked (parrallel) opamp for slightly less noise.