Festool should be scared
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Are we about to see a shakeup in the joinery game? JessEm is taking on the mighty Festool Domino on its own turf. Does it stack up? Find out in the ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN between the JessEm Pocket Mill Pro and the Festool Domino DF500!
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
03:21 What is loose tenon joinery?
05:36 What is the Pocket Mill Pro?
07:32 How does it work?
11:24 Comparing the results
12:11 Cost comparison
13:45 Speed comparison
15:13 The “Friendliness Factor”
16:56 What’s next for the Pocket Mill Pro?
17:49 One last thing…
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#woodworking #diy #joinery #jessem #festool #domino #df500 #df700 #pocketmillpro #mortise #tenon #loosetenon 
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as a canadian, i thank you for helping support our woodworking tools. jessum makes some great stuff! Lee Valley, another great canadian company, has most of their tools on their site as well
Love me some Lee Valley also! Great guys over there
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks we canadians are spoilt, there is a LV store an hour away from me and 5 more within 3 hours LOL
I just wish I had a woodworking teacher in my time like you.
Thanks, I appreciate that.
I watch a ton of RUclips woodworking videos and I think you two can do this! Just keep going, you’ll grow your membership before you know it. Cheers!
Tami is bugging me to include her more. She has actual fans now!
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks yes! It’s refreshing. There are many more of us out here building and making than RUclips would make you think!
Best review i have see so far of the domino tool :D
Thanks, I agree! 😁
Extremely helpful, thank you!
I bought one several months ago and still haven't used it, because the instructions (IMO) are pretty bad, and I've finally figured tonight that I'm missing the clamping bolts. So it's off to the hardware store in the morning.
It amazes me how little effort companies put into developing their assembly instructions. A simple series of sessions of asking people (who've never seen the product before) to assemble the product using the instructions would work wonders. I have a few other suggestions for Jessem if they're interested.
I preordered and in their rush to get the first orders out, the instructions were basically just photocopies and not very clear. I also offered several suggestions for improvement.
I stumbled across your YT channel today…IMO you balance entertainment and knowledge perfectly. Thank you for passing on your knowledge.
Thank you, and you’re welcome! 😇
Disclaimer: I have a Domino already. Had the Jessem unit existed when I was in the market, I probably would have bought it instead. I really don't use my domino enough to justify the cost. But, as you say, festool had the market cornered.
I know a TON of people in the same boat 😆
Enjoyable presentation! Thanks, SEMPER FI
Thank you sir!
Loved the review and it's good to know that you were not influenced by sponsorship. My only reservation is that I would like to have seen more of your assistant...
She was in my Jessem router video and a few of my shorts. (That doesn’t sound right lol 😂) Look for more of her soon!
Fantastic video! Must look into this jig. Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching!
I'm not in the market for a loose tenon joinery solution quite yet. However, I truly enjoy how you present your subject matter in each video you make. Not too many makers make me laugh out loud like you do! So thanks for that! We need to get you more exposure and subscribers. Thanks for the much needed gut buster comment about lead paint chips and New Yankee workshop 😂
Thanks man! It’s comments like this I go back and re-read over and over again when I feel like quitting 💪
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks Lee, don't ever think about quitting, please! You have a talent. With your on camera presence, charisma, and awesome humor, you are a joy to watch! If you need any ideas for content, may I be so bold to make some recommendations? I, for one, would love to see a shop tour and why you have everything setup the way it is. Also, maybe go into detail, on a separate video, as to why you use ryobi and dewalt tools. Explain what your rationale is there. I think I have an idea, but newbies could really use the guidance.
Dude, you have a lot to offer. You've been doing this (woodworking, diy, home improvement) for a minute or so. Let it shine brother! So what if you got a late start in the RUclips thing, big deal! Everything happens for a reason and this is your shot! Take it! Good luck and I look forward to your next video! Peace out bro 🤙
@@BretClements have you seen my channel trailer? I talk about how much I hate shop tour videos 😂 so I will really have to think about that one. Thank you for the encouraging words, it means a lot to me. Peace ✌️ to you!
I really enjoy your tool review videos Lee. I’ve seen some others you did and you really point out a lot of interesting features. Keep up the videos and we’ll keep watching.
Love your videos! This is another top notch, helpful video! It was great to meet your better half as well. Please note the “better half” portion, she won hands down! 😊
Thank you so much! My “better half” needs to start her own channel, right? 😁
Good review Lee. Objective and accurate definition of the roles of PM and FT.
Thanks. So many of these reviews are hyping this thing up as a “replacement” for the Festool, and for some people it can be, but not for everybody.
Awesome review!!
Thanks! Hope to do more soon!
Best review I’ve seen, did not know the doweling jig could attach, I have it, it top drawer quality.
Thanks, appreciate it very much! 😄
I’m watching this later and will definitely be looking into the Jessem kit. I’m not a pro but love what I do and it will expand my abilities to a new level. Thank you Lee🎉
It’s a good option, I really find it useful
Check out the dowelmax dowel jig. Not the knockoffs as they don’t have hardened drill guides
I think that out of all tool drools I have, JessEm is at the top of my list. I can hardly even consider another router table insert (or complete table and accessories for that matter) after seeing the MasterLift II. As bad as I need a router table set up, I keep thinking I'll wait until I can afford that one. I don't know how they do it, actually. I don't own a single JessEm product but the superior quality is obvious just by seeing them in videos. Their prices are as fair or more so than comparable products.
Yep. Great investments. They have been very active lately in developing new stuff as well.
Make the router table yourself and buy the master lift to put in it. That is what I did and if I can do it anybody can. Plenty of videos on YT showing how to.
Cost factor alone makes the jessem a winner....my theory is unless your a full time professional woodworker... a domino is overlill...
Agreed. Same conclusion I came to.
Nice job, Mr. Busted Knuckle. Very informative, and may I say entertaining at the same time. That machine looks as if it may be just right for me. Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure sir. Glad to have you here!
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks I ordered directly from the folks in Canada and got the Black Friday sale price of $315 including the work station and the mitre attachment, plus no shipping. Couldn't' pass up that deal. Thanks again.
Really enjoyed your review and realistic comments. Much wise advice. I might add that your followers might consider Peter Millard's "10 Minute Workshop" channel and the 10MW LTJ30 (Loose Tenon Jig 30) as yet another alternative. If I had not finally broke down and bought the Domino, I would have ordered Peter's LTJ.
I might add that I've added loose tenon joinery to pocket hole joinery to my cabinet builds, yes both. I use the tenons for alignment and screws for quick assembly.
Yep, no reason to throw pocket holes out the window because you own one of these, or even a Domino. I use both frequently as well, depending on the task.
A great introduction. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Do you have a store? Forget woodworking - I want that t-shirt!
I am a hobbiest woodworker that own the domino and if you can afford the domino there is no debate which is better. The domino is easy to use and fast.
I actually specifically said that in the video
This looks like a great cross over option. Don't really need a full blown domino... But want to have one for the few instances they may need it. Would need a great option.
Great video.
That’s exactly who this is for. It’s far slower than a domino but speed isn’t the main factor in a non-production environment.
I really wonder, if there would be as many negative comments about the selling price of the Domino Maschine, if Festool would be an American company??? Greetings from Bavaria & Germany !!! And from Festool, Maffel, Bosch, Altendorf, Homag, IMA, Martin and Kölle😁😁👍‼️
I really don’t think the country of origin has anything to do with it. There are very few tools made in the US anymore. Americans are accustomed to imported tools from overseas. It’s just that Festool is usually quite expensive compared to other alternatives.
Had to give you a thumbs up just bc you said the big things up front. Now for me to watch the rest
Thank you my good man, carry on 🫡
Thanks for the video, very nice job! I’m currently joining big walnut boards for a table top, and was considering on buying this jig. Can you attach the jig to the board itself and move along the length as you cut the mortises? Or do I need to have it clamped to a bench and bring the board to it? Thanks
You certainly can bring the jig to the board if you get the Mounting Angle jessem.com/products/pocket-mill-pro-mounting-angle which they include with the base model system but, quite oddly, don’t include with the fully kitted-out system.
Oh and thanks for the Super Thanks 🙏😁
Love this video. Sorry bromigo wife got ya beat lol
Yeah she’s quite a catch ❤️
I bought a dowelmax jig and have never regretted it. If I need a drill guide, it works great too
That Dowelmax is nice. JessEm makes a pretty decent dowel jig as well.
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks yeah I got this because it was durable, fast, allows for quick repeatability, and all the pieces that supported it. All the drillbits that they make are of the best quality I’ve ever seen and that’s no BS. I was a QRReader plumber, and I did not skimp on my tools in the field even though I’m a stingy bastard now, and I will not hesitate to order directly from dowelmax for their drill bits in the future. They have a depth stop guide for setting the stop collars on the bits which makes it stupid easy. One of the reasons that I chose dowelmax’s drill bits and stop collars specifically initially instead of just using my own (for the first time) was because their stop collars have 2 set screws and the drill bits have flat spots machined into them for maximum stability; I have NEVER had one slip- ever In about 450 holes thus far. I know that isn’t many, but I have had cheaper stop collars slip after 3 holes- which I am assuming is because the heat involved causing expansion and then slipping. Their system is so versatile it’s amazing.
Great video! 👍🏻 How well does the dust collection work?
It’s decent. Not as well as the Festool, but it works.
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To my knowledge loose tenon were not invented by Festool! Professional and high end hobbyists or even mid level furniture makers use loose tenons. However they opt for anything from CNC to router jigs for the execution. I can afford a Festool domino but refuse to pay the price. Plus since Festool NEVER has any sales I recognize the company for what they are. There are many issues with some of their tools that see daily use….kapex especially . Motor issues abound . Domino joiners see far less work time but the excessive cost to operate means it’s less desirable to the vast majority of pros.
As an aside , the biscuit joiner is really a plate joiner. It’s for alignment of boards to be on the same plane not a tenon system. Also usually under $200-300. But I have used my biscuit joiner to create slots for splines . When you have the horizontal real estate a spline can add strength and can also be adjustable side to side . A plywood spline is mighty strong and dirt cheap.
Avoid Festool at all costs. They barely have the company structure to deal with current normal mechanical issues but if they lowered their prices they’d sell tons more but I think they’d be challenged to after service.
Ok I can take my miluakee track saw, dewalt biscuit cutter and a kreg pocket hole jig to create a butt joint in a corner with two pieces of butcher block countertop that is flawless.
PS lead paint chips aren't bad with a little brown sugar when your brother eats the last of the frosted flakes.
Lead paint chips are GrrrRRREAT!!! ☝️
I guess the domino would be good for a jobsite or mass production. Id personally get the Pocket mill pro, i have the jessem master lift 2 router table with all the goodies. I love it
I love the Domino but it’s overkill for most hobbyists, myself included. By the way, I also have a JessEm table that I talk about in a different video and it’s awesome 👏
Rockler beadlock is a beast of an alternative. Just clamp it as tight as possible. Buy the router bit, make your own tenons.
It’s impossible to use it in the center of a board. But on ends. Works great. So do dowels.
Haven’t tried the Beadlock but looks intriguing for sure. Ditto for dowels. One big advantage for dominos is the side to side play that you can’t get with other methods.
Nice video, but you’re comparing apples and oranges. The beauty of the domino is the portability, it allows morticing on small parts, on site. The jessem tool looks to be a workshop tool, with a dedicated bench and vice. The end results may be the same, but the versitility isnt there.
There are a ton of accessories for this now that weren't available yet when I made this video, including the ability to take the tool to the work, and to do open-field mortises on panels. I mentioned a couple of those in the video, but at the time they had not been released.
If you're asserting that the Domino is faster and more versatile in general, you won't get an argument from me. These things are really targeted at different use cases, as I point out in the video.
I thought this was a excellent review except there was no discussion about the tenons themselves. I'm sure with the Festool you have to purchase them, the JessEm too or?
You can purchase them, or you can make your own. JessEm sells a bullnose router bit that makes it very easy. Also, the Festool tenons fit for the JessEm too.
I do not agree. that Festool should be scared. Jessem's product is opening a new market: people who would never have bought the Domino. I don't think that any one who really needs a domino will switch to that kit no matter how good it is. The secret of the Domino is that it brings the tool to the work. For hobbyists though, the Jessem kit is a great alternative.
While I see your point, let me offer a different perspective: I believe the majority of people who own a Domino are very casual users, who may haul it out maybe 5 or 6 times a year. That's who JessEm is going after. I agree that anyone who really NEEDS a domino should, and will, buy the Festool... but a ton of Festool's sales are to users who DON'T really *need* one at all. And also, the JessEm accessories I mention in the video are now available, which allows you to bring the tool to the work and make open-field mortises. Thanks for your thoughtful observations, I really appreciate them.
great review. Not sure I'll spring for this but I know i wouldn't go for festool domino as a hobbyist.
Yeah, agree with you there. A lot of money for something you won’t use that often 💰
That thing looks ergonomically way inferior so I don't think festool has anything to worry about. But even for tools that look as practical as festool models (e.g. miter saw, track saw, sander, etc) their customers are loyal and not switching much. They are in the high end niche for the elite.
Nobody is suggesting getting rid of your Festool Domino for this. I even say that in the video.
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks your video title says otherwise 😉 and it's not about getting rid of the domino, I don't think that thing will take away buyers for the domino.
@@b3arwithm3 I beg to differ. I’m not really sure you got my point in the video. My assertion is that for most of the “weekend warrior” types who rarely have a use for a full domino, the PMP is a much more practical investment, and I stand by that.
Also, you probably shouldn’t take video titles on RUclips quite so literally. 😉
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks yes it's cheaper. Then? Why not compare it to a dyi jig?
But when it comes to festool, comparing price vs feature is missing the point.
Is this video about telling us for light use but cheaper products? It's a universal concept with any tools then.
87 bucks for a 3/8 endmill? that's 25% of the price of the jig, you must be joking...
I agree, kind of expensive. That’s why I usually just stick to the 6mm that it comes with. Nobody sells 3/8” dominos anyway. I’d have to make my own, and ain’t nobody got time for that 😆
I thought that was you with a red wig
you are onto me 😬
Wife? I thought she was your daughter and I was going to ask her out !😮 😢
The young ones love me. I’m like a long-term fixer-upper project for them 😂
Which tells me you must have a better line of BS than I do ! 😂 Have a great day and keep up with the great content.. 👍🏻
Why is everyone trying to replace the festool domino with cheap, time-consuming, difficult-to-use, and limited-use options?
I think because it’s so expensive?
Maybe because not everybody has $1200 to spend like you. I’d guess everyone has a cordless drill and this Jessem tool makes it an affordable option! Oh and in my case and I’m sure other people $300-$500 isn’t” considered cheap!” Enjoy your Festool.
@@orestwitiw213I bought festool domino because I'm too poor to spend 2 (3,4,5) times the money on substitute tools that anyway don't do what they're supposed to do, or consume my time and nerves. If you want to make money, you have to to spend money. What is cheap is not worth it...
p.s. I bought it in installments without interest🤩
@@orestwitiw213 I bought festool domino because I'm too poor to spend 2 (3,4,5) times the money on substitute tools that anyway don't do what they're supposed to do, or consume my time and nerves. If you want to make money, you have to to spend money. What is cheap is not worth it...
p.s. I bought it in installments without interest😉
I bought festool domino because I'm too poor to spend 2 (3,4,5) times the money on substitute tools that anyway don't do what they're supposed to do, or consume my time and nerves. If you want to make money, you have to to spend money. What is cheap is not worth it...
Or you could just make a router jig out of scrap.
You could
I do not understand why it is needed. Dowel jig is much easier to use. This new device is cumbersome and prone to errors. Useless.
I like dowel joinery, but the issue is you need to be so careful with alignment. With dowels if you are off one millimeter you’re kinda screwed. Loose tenons are a bit more forgiving, as there is some wiggle room there.
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks I agree about alignment, but this new jig is not a solution. Domino very convenient to use. I am not a professional and never had a Domino. But I see it advantages. This jig is very inconvenient and also pretty expensive. Home made jig for router will work better.
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks A dowel is a cylindrical loose tenon. If you want them to be more forgiving, drill your holes slightly larger.
@Quantalume but that won’t hold alignment. Dominoes can also be forgiving but In only ONE direction, which is what you want. And also, what would the glue hold onto? 🤔
I'm so scared I haven't even watched the video brrrrrrr sod non-sense titles...
Not really that scary 😉
As to the who has the pretty face question. With all due respect I'm not sure she married you for your looks.....
You haven’t seen me with my clothes off
Lol. So it wasn't your sense of humor that caught her eye?@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks
@@bobbyb1607 either that or the $25 a month RUclips pays me
Are you implying she married him for his brains. Or maybe; just maybe he is that great in bed.
Please say more with less words, get to the point
Working on that
lol Festool haters. It’s still the best. I can’t help y’all are you poor
Nobody hating on anything here.
🤷♂️ i just love free tools… hey Jessem or Festool my ❤️ is available 😉
I love free tools too… unfortunately neither of these were free 😢
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks we are in the same situation 😉
@brikologik you know it brother. Laguna should send you a free bandsaw though!
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks im ready !! 😅
I think both of you are the "pretty face." Thanks doing this. I am the opposite of the lovers of Festool machines for a number of reasons. First of all, I don't think it is the tool that make the man. I think it is the craftsman who makes the project. Only a bush league craftsman blames the tool for any discrepancies. Funny how I was typing this comment when you mentioned the two types of Festool fans. Thanks, Tammy for chucking up that bit correctly. So many dumb dumbs chuck up bits by hitting the trigger. You two are pros. Thanks🔨🪚