SEN TenZ on Why He Prefers CHAMBER Over ISO & Rates CHAMBER Higher

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  • @mreverything7056
    @mreverything7056 10 месяцев назад +60

    Iso to me is a very strange fusion of a duelist and an initiator which makes it very hard to play DUELIST on Iso. His double tap and ult make you THINK you want to play as the first one in to win your ones. But his fractal bolt and wall make him more like a weird initiator who can help his team. I get that they didn't want to just make a better Phoenix, but since he doesn't have a flash (Reyna/Phoenix/Yoru) or a movement ability (Jett/Raze/Neon), you can't play duelist in any way besides killing more than one guy, which, surprise surprise, literally every other duelist in the game is better at then he is.

  • @gkj3427
    @gkj3427 10 месяцев назад +136

    I posted on reddit how Iso is a bad duelist. Omen as a Controller and Chamber as a Sentinel are better "duelist" than Iso. and some bronze player keep yelling at me that Iso is good agent. he is even better than Reyna in some case. while Diamond+ player keep agreeing with me that he's a bad or even the worst duelist. and Now. in this video. Tenz agreed with me.

    • @AloneVal
      @AloneVal  10 месяцев назад +13

      ISO is bad, I rarely see him even in low elos

    • @skullzs1983
      @skullzs1983 10 месяцев назад +6

      Bro iso appears more frequently in silver lobbies than initiator players. People pick that guy rather than filling for the team​@@AloneVal

    • @ZeistVK
      @ZeistVK 10 месяцев назад

      not their job to fill, ill gladly play iso if im told to play smokes or sentinel by an insta lock duelist, just to be petty@@skullzs1983

    • @TexasKing100
      @TexasKing100 10 месяцев назад +3

      hes better for low elo guys cuz the vulnerability makes their inability to hit headshots not matter. high elo are tapping heads so it doesnt matter that they take double dmg since 1 bullet kills anyways

    • @zhiyxuan
      @zhiyxuan 10 месяцев назад

      Everytime I play iso I have to have the toxic trait of Im better to even click on him XD

  • @4thsin098
    @4thsin098 10 месяцев назад +80

    Iso is only good at low rank because people have 0 teamwork down there. You go into Dia or above and you'll get traded before you can even flick up the orb. Even if you have the ability to flick back immediately, let's be honest, you'd rather use that energy to do something else or choose another agent with less risk and work needed to get the same result.

    • @osman2169
      @osman2169 10 месяцев назад +4

      ? diamond players are bots lol

    • @mosquito001
      @mosquito001 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@osman2169 Bro I am iron and we trade teammates here, just suck at doing it. I imagine even silvers are pretty decent at trading teammates

    • @Asiro-S
      @Asiro-S 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@mosquito001 he is right, tbf, and silvers are very bad at trading

    • @cynthiahembree3957
      @cynthiahembree3957 10 месяцев назад

      @@Asiro-SI mean it depends one the silver

    • @SufyaanDewan
      @SufyaanDewan 10 месяцев назад

      @@Asiro-S Depends on Region I guess. Here in Apac, They dont trade till like Silver 2 but man Trading is good from Silver 3 onwards.

  • @vishalbharti5483
    @vishalbharti5483 10 месяцев назад +47

    imagine if you can right click the wall to make a static wall and left click for the normal running wall.

    • @AloneVal
      @AloneVal  10 месяцев назад +11

      it'll become fortnite 💀

    • @TheMagicalFarts
      @TheMagicalFarts 10 месяцев назад +9

      So harbor…..

    • @hein_ji
      @hein_ji 10 месяцев назад +2

      That would be op it will be like a smoke but u can't even spam thru it, harbours orb but impenetrable

  • @diamondguy-xs4lg
    @diamondguy-xs4lg 10 месяцев назад +73

    ISO’s bulletproof shield is dogshit, majority of the opponents will be playing with vandals and that shield takes one bullet for it to be broken, and it’ll get really bad when you’re going up against people who like to spam with rifles

    • @funkycrawler619
      @funkycrawler619 10 месяцев назад +4

      Yea. I mean his shield usage is niche, and I think it gets the job done somewhat but the way to get it does seem a bit clunky and not fluid. Like his whole kit seems like it needs to be polished so it flows better.

    • @akshatdwivedi2675
      @akshatdwivedi2675 10 месяцев назад +3

      Iso is simply a worse Reyna, except the vulnerability/leer debate

    • @ds3654
      @ds3654 10 месяцев назад +8

      Iso's bulletproof shield is broken in high elo, but the fact that you need a kill to activate it is what makes it useless

    • @diamondguy-xs4lg
      @diamondguy-xs4lg 10 месяцев назад

      @@ds3654 bruh you people complain and bitch too much of agents needing a kill before you can use an ability, Reyna is garbage cuz you need a kill first, iso is garbage cuz you need a kill first. My complaint is not you need a kill first, it’s the fact most people use automatics and the shield can only stand against one bullet. So what about the fact you need a kill first before you can use an ability, it’s not that hard to get a kill without ability usage, unless you’re absolutely garbage at fps games then that’s a skill issue

    • @ds3654
      @ds3654 10 месяцев назад

      @@diamondguy-xs4lg Yeah, but so what about automatics? In a scenario where they hit a headshot and you don't die because you have the ability and land yours you get the kill. And if you still die it's skill diff. And reyna has a flash in her kit which makes her a completely different agent to iso and she is rewarded for taking aggressive peeks. You need to first isolate a fight with iso to get the first shield and if you're talking about skill issue because I said that there is no benefit to going for a 50-50 with iso you have the real skill issue. If you think the shield itself is weak well enjoy being a hardstuck diamond. It can absorb an op shot/ a vandal headshot which completely changes how the exchange goes. It's activation is what makes it weak.

  • @thesauce1682
    @thesauce1682 10 месяцев назад +2

    they need to make the wall only move when you pushing and walking towards it and stationary when you standing still, currently it will just leave you alone in the open because it's too fast

  • @バナナお爺さん
    @バナナお爺さん 10 месяцев назад +4

    I like how woohoojin describes him, the bodyguard to make sure that the main fueliest gets to the site alive and then they can entry and you play with the team.
    Trying to iso carry is not wise

    • @bocchi2403
      @bocchi2403 10 месяцев назад +1

      I think iso is a new unique agent that's why people still find it hard to utilize
      Iso will be broken if Double tap could give initial shield and the orb can be clicked like reyna
      My point of view Valo makes Iso to 1. Counter spray through smoke meta yet the wall can't be stopped
      2. Counter Operator and Outlaw user yet he needs a kill first before being able to block 1 bullet
      3. Counter line up and Sova user who do post plant and making it impossible to defuse yet the ult makes Iso vulnerable the moment he got back

    • @cynthiahembree3957
      @cynthiahembree3957 10 месяцев назад

      Unironically the coolest ISO play I’ve seen an ISO using the vulnerability effect to set up a 3k Raze nade

    • @AvalancheZ250
      @AvalancheZ250 10 месяцев назад

      I mean, that just makes him an Initiator. Which I suppose is the point. He's a Duelist/Initiator hybrid that is more Initiator at high elo and more Duelist at low elo.

  • @kodachifps
    @kodachifps 9 месяцев назад +2

    They need to make it to where his shield isn’t a big bubble it’s just like a little highlight around him so you can’t see him way before he sees you coming around a corner.also completely remove the shooting orb thing and just make it when he gets a kill with double tap active he automatically instantly gets the shield applied.that’s it then iso would be decent(edit)the buff where they give him the shield off the rip of a round is dumb and way too op

  • @dracowuhan7536
    @dracowuhan7536 9 месяцев назад +1

    ISO is fun to play and gives you confidence with the shields

  • @ShottFPS
    @ShottFPS 3 месяца назад +1

    This did not age very well, now any noob Iso is a nightmare for us chamber mains bcoz he fcking pops his shield at the start of the round and eats my awp shot just like that. Fking Annoying 😤😭

  • @AvalancheZ250
    @AvalancheZ250 10 месяцев назад +2

    Iso feels like a ton of potential but his kit is missing some mechanics and so it just doesn't fit together properly. He ends up in the same category as Reyna, that being a 2nd-entry Duelist/Initiator hybrid, but requires more "checks" to get essentially sidegrade benefits. The result is an Agent with a higher skill floor but also lower skill ceiling than Reyna while being about as useful to the team, which is sort of the worst of both worlds.
    Like, he has his Wall to push. But that combos with what exactly? It only lasts 5 seconds, is so fast (and unstoppable) that you have to run and sound like an elephant to make use of it, and its too thin to cover enough angles on some chokepoints for it to be useful. You also can't use it as an emergency shield because its equip time is too long. It just feels bolted onto his kit to give him some ability to take space.
    Then he has throwable vulnerable (henceforth "Bolt"), his "combat support" ability. Its a good ability in concept, suggesting excellent teamplay potential while also being useful solo. It kind of functions as a creative sidegrade (but overall a downgrade) to Omen's flash in most use cases, the main upside being that he has two of them. But Reyna's omni-flash provides about as much benefit (both to her and her team) while not requiring much coordination to use. Due to how thin and slowly the Bolt travels you either use it on chokepoints to force enemies to take cover (breaking a rush) or you use it as a 1v1 flash (but not as good), and that's about as much as you can do with it solo. Combo play with Sova darts/Ult etc. offers unique teamplay opportunities but its rare that you'll be able to pull it off in SoloQ.
    His signature Shield is, again, good in concept but lacks in execution. He has to prep the ability so as a "kill refund" ability its already more restricted than Reyna's healing counterpart, not to mention that he then has to pass an aiming skill check (shoot an orb) to actually get the benefit. The refund itself (a 1-hit shield) is (IMO) a good sidegrade to Reyna's heal but to get essentially the same thing you have to prep it and pass an additional skill check (which throws off your crosshair placement). And even considering all that, it doesn't have anywhere near the utility of Reyna's invulnerable (Dismiss) which she has the option to choose instead of heal and is what makes her truly unique and powerful in higher skill lobbies as it completely negates the concept of trading.
    And finally, the Ult. Its main use is to further stack a numbers advantage by having a reliable way to lock an enemy into a fixed location (their spawn indicator). The near-even arena means that the risk of the Iso losing in the Ult is too high for it to reliable (unless you are severely aim gapping the enemy), so most tactics around it involve your team rushing onto site to surround the enemy's spawn indicator and getting a guaranteed trade. That's... not great for an Ult, since it has so many points of failure. You team needs to have numbers advantage first, the rest of your team needs to successfully push onto site to guarantee the trade (if Iso loses), the enemy could lurk and kill Iso even he wins in the arena and respawns etc. (compounded by the fact his guns don't auto-reload when he comes out of Ult).
    I feel like Riot just needs to let loose and give him some substantial buffs, then scale back later if required. After the Deadlock buffs (which took this exact buff policy) he might be the least useful Agent in the game. Here are some suggestions:
    - Make the Wall stoppable upon command and give him 2 of them. It would then function as a small bulletproof smoke that lasts 5 seconds. Turns it into a sidegrade of Phoenix/Neon walls.
    - The Bolt is probably fine right now.
    - The Shield is where I think a big buff could be given. One thing I'd like to see them experiment with is the ability to stack Shields (and have the Shields either last longer or forever). It rewards clean shooting because quick kills preserves your Shield, allowing you to stack them. With enough Shields stacked you could even win against someone who shoots you in the back.
    - Reload all guns of whoever wins the Ult when they respawn.

  • @dean988
    @dean988 10 месяцев назад +1

    i feel like if iso’s double tap insta reloaded your gun when you shoot the orb, maybe upped your fire rate for a few seconds itd be more useful. his wall needs buffs too, maybe let him plant it like a yoru clone to send forward later, or just let him stop the wall from moving forward if he clicks it again. his ult should also keep the enemies health as it is instead of healing them
    undercut on any other duelist or initiator would be pretty good, his other abilities just aren’t good enough to make it worth it. he feels like half of a character

  • @Michael-yb7jh
    @Michael-yb7jh 10 месяцев назад +3

    As a CS player, ive always loved chamber. If you’re good with the headhunter you get so much value. In every single round you're giving your team a chance.

  • @theflyingwhale5778
    @theflyingwhale5778 10 месяцев назад +1

    Just want to add to TenZ's point on 1:13, you kill with Chamber because you can get to an off-angle, picks one, and gets out safely. Same as Reyna, or Jett. What can Iso do?

  • @guidomista8448
    @guidomista8448 10 месяцев назад

    I dont know if this will help the complete problem with Iso, but i think it would be a pretty cool idea, but when Iso gets an orb, and has his shield, and then gets another orb, they should stack on top of each other. I dont think it will come up a lot as an iso player, but it can at least allow for more of a snowball for a carrying Iso.

  • @XxDaveXx77
    @XxDaveXx77 10 месяцев назад +1

    Possible iso buff, make his wall see through but only from the side that it was launched from

  • @dean988
    @dean988 10 месяцев назад

    honestly if his double tap was a passive ability like jetts hover and they just gave him another ability in place of it he would be way more effective. maybe give him one charge of an instant but timed shield, like 8 seconds

  • @sumuggum
    @sumuggum 10 месяцев назад +1

    Iso's role is misplaced. He's an initiator not a duelist.

  • @RealAstroWhale
    @RealAstroWhale 10 месяцев назад

    I’m glad it’s not a matter of skill issue then. With Iso you are going in raw no rubber, he doesn’t even have a flash or stun that can give you an upper hand through disruption. On top of that you have to get a kill first in order for it to work, and worse part of it is, the orb doesn’t have a fixed position of appearing, it’s completely random and it can fuck you up if you happen to face off multiple people. The thing is that, Chamber can play defensively, Iso can’t. Which is why I survive more with Chamber because I can be aggressive and defensive at the same time.

  • @thakingplays
    @thakingplays 5 месяцев назад +1

    Bro really got iso buffed and its ANNOYING

  • @gladxch
    @gladxch 10 месяцев назад

    On attack, iso cannnot scale as much as any other duelist. Reyna & phoenix can flash for themselves, jett neon and raze can burst quickly into sites, yoru can tp but iso has to literally just walk and has no utility to keep himself from getting 1tapped

  • @JeSt4m
    @JeSt4m 10 месяцев назад +2

    Kay/0 is literally better than Iso.. be it as duelist or initiator.
    Let that sink in.

  • @frostfox6020
    @frostfox6020 10 месяцев назад +2

    Iso is going to need the old Yoru treatment where he requires a rework, I like the fact that he can venerable enemies, but his wall and double tap are very underwhelming, even if you have the fastest reaction time in the game you'll still get traded 99% of the time, plus with good utility you can guarantee Iso never has his double tap, and while he excels on eco and pistol rounds, on a fair playing field he is vary underperforming as he has no good way to make space like raze, jet, he can't outplay like yoru, neon, and even Phoenix has his flash and healing and a wall to isolate 1v1s but iso dosnt have any tools like that other then his ult wich is the only thing riot got right, other then the fact that you should be put back to 150 hp if you win the 1v1,
    Anyway if your down this far thank you for reading
    Tldr: iso is bad, he needs a rework or major buff

  • @Sonusmfx
    @Sonusmfx 10 месяцев назад

    I really like Iso’s ult, but his average value for each individual round is pretty low as far as util goes so fair enough. Theres not a whole lot to be gained especially in diamond+

  • @tomk5238
    @tomk5238 10 месяцев назад

    They shld make his e a sheild on command. It sounds busted but tbh. It's would be no different than a flash, dash or teleport. If anything it would be weaker than a flash since the opponent can't see and with a 1 time sheild you can still get double tapped.

  • @ImEcchi
    @ImEcchi 10 месяцев назад +1

    You don’t need a pro player to tell you that a character sucks. It’s obvious.
    His whole kite is garbage including is ultimate. What is the point of using an ultimate that still gives the opponent a chance? Every other duelist ultimate puts the enemy in a disadvantage in someway but 1v1 peak battles is not a disadvantage, it’s basically a skill issue. Probably the worst character they released right next to Chamber. Why give him a gun so he doesn’t need to spend money in the store? Horrible design, because they wanted to mimic Jett’s daggers being like a sheriff in a way. Chamber and Iso need to go.
    They don’t need to be complex, look at fucking Reyna? You kill and you don’t even need to press your skills. You could literally not buy them and it wouldn’t change your gameplay aside from your blind of course. But that is incredibly easy to use because it won’t effect teammates so you can throw that shit anywhere without repercussions. We want simple and unique, not some drastic shit that makes no sense.

  • @Sg190th
    @Sg190th 10 месяцев назад +19

    Maybe in 1v1, Iso can be a hit or miss. But when it comes to vulnerability, he's not bad at all. It just depends on one's playstyle.

    • @redrazor7903
      @redrazor7903 10 месяцев назад +14

      Saying that an agent's strength comes down to playstyle has got to be one of the worst takes i've ever read.

    • @esakohaki4308
      @esakohaki4308 10 месяцев назад +1

      It does though? Jett isnt going to be good if their playstyle is slow and cautious and not as effective as a jett whos willing to take duels.​@redrazor7903

    • @redrazor7903
      @redrazor7903 10 месяцев назад +6

      @@esakohaki4308 Someone playing a character incorrectly, is not a good judgement for how good and agents tools are, because that usually assumes playing the best possible and how good utility usage can affect a round.
      Its like if I said "Raze is a horrible agent because some people who pick her don't know how to use the sachels."

    • @steberdeber6223
      @steberdeber6223 10 месяцев назад

      Uuggghh here we go again with retards claiming "you just dont know the proper playstyle for this character". Bruhh tell something that at least has a brilliance in it

  • @joeroganpodfantasy42
    @joeroganpodfantasy42 10 месяцев назад

    ISO is a great anti op.
    If you know enemy team has a good oper its annoying playing against his shield I dont know what to do

  • @akaruitsuki4141
    @akaruitsuki4141 10 месяцев назад

    Iso has 2 niche situation s where he can do what Reyna can't, and that's peaking an op with shield or tanking a raze ult but thats the thing you need o get a kill to get that shiekd first then find thise situations. Other than that Reyna does better than him and provides more

  • @matt._.5127
    @matt._.5127 10 месяцев назад

    DOMAIN EXPANSION is enough of a reason for me to pick iso

  • @ninhkhoso5160
    @ninhkhoso5160 10 месяцев назад

    i think his wall should only move when he is near and it should stay longer

  • @CaydenRoberts-re3ex
    @CaydenRoberts-re3ex 10 месяцев назад

    ISO is not a duelist none of his abilities are duelist worthy he’s more of an initiator cause wall, vulnerability ,and the shield off kills they are all dmg and health oriented

  • @asdasldkadaslkdsadka2599
    @asdasldkadaslkdsadka2599 10 месяцев назад +4

    At the very least they need to remove the requirement of iso needing to shoot the orb to get a shield. It should just be automatic when you have the skill up. Even then I think iso is not good

    • @AloneVal
      @AloneVal  10 месяцев назад

      Yea but that buff will make him somewhat easy to play

    • @arcyine
      @arcyine 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@AloneVal bro he's shit wdym make him easier? That's what needs to be done

    • @Cheasle2
      @Cheasle2 10 месяцев назад

      thats the whole point of the character. They just need to buff his other abilities for him to be viable.

    • @goochipoochie
      @goochipoochie 10 месяцев назад

      Or just make the shield duration be infinite
      It's not like the shield does much anyways

  • @artinghalandari6365
    @artinghalandari6365 10 месяцев назад

    I know this is about iso but I'm happy that tenzing says chamber is good(I'm a chamber main)

  • @MusikalJoker
    @MusikalJoker 10 месяцев назад

    Coming from someone who was really excited for him, Iso is by far the worst duelist, if not the worst character that Riot have released. I have no idea what Riot was thinking when they created his kit.

  • @bored-bt4nn
    @bored-bt4nn 10 месяцев назад

    His vulnerable was find
    Maybe make his wall larger and 2 wall and make him cast his wall faster

    • @abrawolf
      @abrawolf 10 месяцев назад +1

      Make his wall quick cast and let hi be able to stop it

    • @bored-bt4nn
      @bored-bt4nn 10 месяцев назад +1

      Also Iso ult should give him a shield

  • @Naeem2460
    @Naeem2460 10 месяцев назад

    Valorant's last 2 additions in agents really sucked, let's hope new agent will be good enough to at least make its space like gekko

  • @KeanuChrist
    @KeanuChrist 10 месяцев назад

    I’m an Iso main now because when he’s buffed in the future, I’ll be more than ready.

  • @kalig3179
    @kalig3179 10 месяцев назад +3

    Iso has the lowest WR percentage out of all the agents

    • @Cheasle2
      @Cheasle2 10 месяцев назад +1

      that's not true, Kay/o has the lowest winrate, and has for the entirety of his existence.

    • @kalig3179
      @kalig3179 10 месяцев назад

      they have similar winrate but when Kayo mains breaks the skill ceiling they'll inflate the WR compared to iso who is just a dogshit agent anyway@@Cheasle2

  • @sohamjain7803
    @sohamjain7803 10 месяцев назад

    ISO sucks, as soon as someone locks him in I throw

  • @magmabuddy
    @magmabuddy 10 месяцев назад

    i personally completely disagree. id say he is pretty broken

  • @iliadelta
    @iliadelta 10 месяцев назад +1

    As someone who plays iso a lot, I’ve just ignore everything he’s said

    • @iliadelta
      @iliadelta 10 месяцев назад

      But they should 100% buff him

  • @Jawniee
    @Jawniee 10 месяцев назад

    Cool

  • @Treityn.
    @Treityn. 10 месяцев назад

    ISO, in my opinion, is pretty good at being a rat if he’s able to capitalize on any picks where he gets out alive, he can basically, and hopefully progressively, make the next fight even easier for himself, and he of course requires skill for all of this but, gaining momentum as he fights is how I always saw him. Remember, it’s a team game. ISO is not supposed to be able to unfairly 1v5. I’m sick of seeing people shit on agents now, can’t you just pretend it’s all supposed to be balanced, and then complain when someone IS kind of op? You all have a dogshit mentality, none of you are truly happy