Tortorella refuses to leave after being ejected... we'll talk abou tall that and more on today's NHL hockey video! #hockey #nhl #philadelphiaflyers #tampabaylightning
oh no he refused to leave without a true explaination to why he deserved it. the mans got rights like every player, ref, and other coach out there. it does noty excuse the escalating reffing situation the nhl has seen over the past few years.@@user-zk8gy6iv7z
Have you considered that Tortorella has done this to himself by blowing up on refs for 20 years, and he's the only one to blame if they don't want to listen to him anymore?
He was right to be mad, the calls were awful. And the only thing league is doing is making sure nobody criticises the quality of the calls so it doesn't look bad for them.
Also the entire Flyers Organization said "We will pay any fine for him" it really shows that this Flyers squad has backbone for our guys and the city and I love it
Eck....someone already did the lip-reading very accurately on what Torts was saying. He was just very angry.....essentially telling the refs to go f*** themselves... and that he wasn't going anywhere. It was well-deserved, in my opinion. The refs took no responsibility for their bad refereeing.
The Refs need to be as much part of the game as the lines on the ice. That's it. Torts getting thrown out for this is Mickey Mouse league, especially when Wes is hiding on the other side of the ice.
And that's the problem. There's no accountability. If the NHL doesn't want coaches and players getting upset at the refs, then refs need to be held accountable for when they make mistakes.
That's why I don't wager on pro sports. Like I'm sure an average $25 wager is no consequence. But what about a $500K+ bet. Some NFL things are super sus.
@@burno7799 I wouldn't bet on hockey, don't know who the refs bet on until the game is on and they are making bullshit calls to help the team they want to win.
Bolts fan here. Love the energy that Torts brings and how he backs up his players; especially with the CEO having his back. The suspension goes too far imo, a fine is one thing, but some players dont even get suspended for injuring others.
Anyone who is a hockey fan has a handful of memories when a player injured another player and didn't even get a whistle. For me it will always be Johnny Boychuck breaking Mason Raymond's back in game 6 of the SC finals in 2011 and there was no suspension or even penalty on the play. But when a coach like Torts mouths off to the refs, he gets a 50k fine and 2 games holiday????????????????????
@@desyncerThat hit didn't look bad to me considering the Canucks were playing far more dirty than the Bruins and tried to end Nathan Horton's career. Horton was never the same after that hit. They also were taking it off ice and talking trash about the Bruins, an example being Luongo saying Thomas' saves weren't impressive, them planning a Cup parade before the series is even over, etc.
Elliotte Friedman said this on the 32 thoughts podcast this morning. This is a bad look on officials. Unless we know what he said, then this makes officials look soft. The other thing is that John Tortorella had every right to be upset. If the NHL doesn't want coaches or players doing this to refs then the officials need to do a better job and refs have to be held accountable for mistakes.
@@siglavikingkearns8108at the same time though there's a shortage of officials across all sports, so there's not many people to replace bad officials that make it to the league and because of that the 💩 officials get to stay in the league.
Something needs to be done about the officials in this league, instead Bettman suspends Torts and fines him 50k?!?! I love how the CEO of the flyers pretty much gave the middle finger to Bettman by paying the fine lol
As a lifelong Flyers fan, Torts fits the teams culture that has sorely been gone for many years. We need more of this. To quote the Hanson brothers “old time hockey”
Real quick - can we talk about that pass from Stammer to Duclair?? That sauce was way too fine! Such a sick camera angle. Also, absolutely love Torts and his regularly scheduled programming, nothing short of legend status. Great video, Eck! Always love seeing what you put out for us. Keep up the great work!
Tortorella is the best. He could even get Coach of the year. Flyers were picked to finish in the bottom 5 in NHL, and he has the Flyers in playoff mode.
The man is a horses ass and always has been. If he makes the play offs they will be beaten early and he will probably be unemployed for the rest of his life. Oh, wait, there may still be a few teams in the league he hasn't already worked for. And been fired by.
Just love the fact that Tortorella gave the refs's an earful for poor officiating, I have watched far too many games this year, where 1 Team has had to beat the officiating Team and the Opposing team. There have been far too many games with grossly Biased Officials............
Refs have become an issue. When I see Wes is calling a game the shenanigan o meter goes off. I do understand there are a lot of “the call is the call in the moment” things but it’s just become detrimental in some aspects.
@@siglavikingkearns8108 over the course of a season I think they do even out somewhat but I’d be more concerned on a game to game cadence. I think Eck bringing up some kind of transparency like the last two minutes reports in the nba would be a good first step. They’re might not be an actual issue. Just one of perception.
In the world juniors the refs wen to video to determine if a high stick should be a major penalty or just 2 minutes. The replay showed it was the opposing team player's stick that hit himself so they called it no penalty. First time I have ever seen a penalty overturned on the ice. You would never see that in the NHL though.
Watched a basketball game randomly on tv. They have a ref camera and afterwards the fouls / calls were clear, explained, and play continued. This was a shock to me. Edit: I know nothing about the current state of basketball and its refs. This was just an observation I had as a hockey fan
@@echo-kh5ms League is how you see it. IMO Hockey and MLB are better because I enjoy those. To say the NHL is not a good league - based on what? Bad calls? Why watch then?
Terrible idea. And I say that as a person who hates refs. Hell, we don't even need a media scrum for players most of the time. Most of them have nothing to say.
I love Torts! And loved what he did ion this case. You mention accountability. Here where I am the high school officials have zero accountability for their crappy calls. It's hard enough to play the other team, you should not have to play the officials too.
2:39 The audio I get sounded like 'can have have people openly...' and the transcript also has 'can'. I think you said 'can't and if so, I pretty much agree they shouldn't openly defy. But like you mentioned earlier in the video there needs to be some type of transparent accountability. And by transparent, I also mean transparent to the fans as well. Because at the end of the day we are the customers and the ones paying the bills. Be it through ticket, merchandise sales, purchases of advertisers products or what have you. Thanks for another excellent video.
Wes McCauley, now I understand. Love Torts, and you're right one of the best things for the NHL, constant entertainment and you love a guy who gives his guys 110% every night and will go through the wall for them. Also an underrated hockey guy. Despite his antics, his teams always seem to perform well and compete
Hi Eck, great vid as always! Do you think Philly will hold on to their playoff spot, or do you think the Isles or Caps will take it? Edit: I fully expected the Flyers to finish 8th in the Metro this year and so them making the playoffs would be a huge surprise
@@Delanore-Rooseveltin the comments section for another video of tortorella's argument with the ref, somebody joked that he had the bandage on his hand because he had supposedly broke a referees jaw in a dark alley, which was only meant in jest, because yes he had had surgery on his hand.
Torts is awesome and deserves a raise! He’s a great coach. He tells it as it is and he’s almost always right! Kicking a coach out shouldn’t be in the hands of the officials. They make a bad call, miss a call, are inconsistent, but nobody can say anything cause they’ll get a or get thrown out. The officials don’t get fined, don’t get suspended, there is zero accountability and we’ve known this for years. It’s nothing new and it’s in all sports. Refs should have to wear mic’s and if teams have a problem, the audio and video should be reviewed to see if the situation was handled correctly. You don’t want to call all the penalties that do and don’t get called? Simplify the rules so there are less infractions!
Sort of like the old movie about the trials of a referee ("Forget Paris", if I am remembering correctly), where the ref issued a game misconduct, and the affected player protested "You can't throw me out! This is my farewell game!", to which the ref replied "Then I guess it's time for you to say 'Farewell!'".
You brought up a valid point about the optics of it all, on a night of honoring a team that he coached, he gets ejected for what appears to be a completely warranted disagreement about a player getting a game misconduct over a bump
This is strategic by Torts. He puts the spotlight on him and that’s all the hot takes are about; meanwhile the Flyers played a terrible game which no one is really talking about where is the 2nd ranked PK was to kill those poorly called penalties. As a Flyers fan; I love Torts for this but lets be real. Every team has to deal with piss poor officiating. Also Wes McC had been suffering from Main Character Syndrome for a while now. This needs to stop. All I want the refs to do is fairly and consistently call a game and be otherwise invisible.
I thought they hired Torts, whom I considered a dinosaur, to assure that they would get Bedard in the Draft. Instead, he changed his style and took the undergunned Flyers all the way to playoff contention in just 2 years. If they can make it in, even as the #2 WC, I'd say he's coach of the year, easy.
Basically, it all started when Cirelli was hit during a downtime of play by Garnet Hathaway... dude, Hathaway gets a 10 minute misconduct which gets no explanation to Torts. So that got him going ... Then to boot, the Lightning score on a power play that they were already on to make it 3-0. The next series of play that happens is Eyssimont is tripped by Attard, but the refs make the wrong call initially and call a penalty on the Lightning. A few moments later, the refs overturn themselves and instead it's a penalty on the Flyers, the right call! So then the Lightning score on a standard rebound in front of the net put in by Point, soft goal, easy #1 power play versus #1 pk goal. Important to note here that AGAIN Torts is not given an explanation as to what happened or why it was turned over. 4-0 Immediately following the goal by Point, Torts is blowing up on the refs from the bench as he's been left in the dark for two calls within the span of 5 minutes. Torts demands an explanation. Gets ejected, it gets announced that he's ejected. Torts refuses to leave. The other 3 refs who aren't Wes McCauley go over to Torts and tell him it's time to go. Torts continues to stand his ground for what feels like 10 minutes before walking down the tunnel. I actually feel bad for Tortorella on this one because the refs have excluded him from all judgment seemingly from the time the puck dropped. He got no explanation on some weird calls, and he starts losing players early due to that bully-tryhard mindset... Shit only gets you so deep against a skilled team though, and the Lightning are on fire tonight. This game will be remembered as Tortorella's Nightmare. It's a master craft in humiliation. I called my dad right after it happened and we had a real good laugh, they kept showing the team from 2004 up in the box seats laughing at Torts. Classic.
It started before that. Attard was given a holding penalty for holding the invisible man - there was no holding by him except for holding his stick. Tampa scored in that power play. Then the Attard tripping call came, and he barely touched the Tampa player with his arm - no knee or skate or stick pushed out to trip him. AND the other referee was calling for Tampa to be penalized on that play - don’t know what for because the call was not announced other than they decided that was a non-call. And then the stuff mentioned by the top comment in this thread started.
I’m a huge Torts fan and it was a hilarious moment, but he probably went a little too far with what he said. Does the officiating kinda suck? Yeah it does, but you have to control your emotions if a call doesn’t go your way. He also didn’t leave the bench when he was told to, that will definitely get you fined. I don’t agree with the suspension though.
Given the various efforts to equalize teams; fiddling with the rules of the game; and business pressures in the franchises, these situations are going to keep sprouting. Kudos to owner for supporting the coach!
Great video and a bunch of very valid points. Still, one of the things that killed my interest in football (soccer) was how players are constantly bitching over every decision of the ref that goes against their team. And I just love how in hockey (and in rugby!) the ref is the ultimate authority. Mess with the ref - enjoy an early shower. And that makes episodes like this one even more entertaining.
There is not a single hockey fan on earth that wouldnt say the lightning came out strong and the flyers looked like shit. That first goal attard got out of the way of it, didnt even try to block it, was protecting himself, he will learn.. But then he gets called for holding. HAHAH holding, for trying to push a guy a bit in the crease. Holding, no. Goal 2. Then Ersson does let in a softie. Then attard again for a trip that was nowhere near a trip in a million years. In fact, it was a dive. He literally dove. He's also known for diving. Goal 4. Then a little shove that is so common in the nhl it's silly, gets a 10 minute misconduct. I mean there's nothing else to say. Torts did the right thing in his protest. All of that was sheer bs. Doesnt matter how the Flyers were playing at that point the calls were silly. And the ejection was just a decent ref protecting his other shit ref and totally undeserved for torts. The suspension, just more nhl bull. We must support the refs durrrr. This game was a 10 minute 50 second travesty of everything gone wrong.
50k is crazy. they should just keep handing penaltys until he leaves. make him make his team play 5 on 3 the whole game if you have too lol. that should be the gambit, not 50 fucking k
I hate when people say things like, "The refs have no accountability." Believe me, there are things that happen behind closed doors when an official screws up. And nobody feels worse about it than they do when they get it wrong. They're human beings. They make mistakes. And they do their best to never make the same mistake again.
On top top of all that there was a penalty on Philly that the refs announced was on Tampa. When the refs corrected it and Tampa scored Torts lost it XD
There is no requirement for an official to speak to a pissed off bench. As a matter of fact, they are taught to conduct the following face off by lining up with the “happy” bench.
Can we please leave Wes McCauley out of the playoffs from now on! He has screwed up enough games over his career to warrant it!...especially the fact that there is constant controversy when he does Leafs games !...and they say they don't want to effect the outcome of the game (haha)
I'm not normally a fan of slanted reffing, but getting the chance to watch Torts lose it makes it 100% worthwhile. If I was the commissioner I'd tell the refs to do their best to get John to snap any chance they get, just for the views. And maybe work out an advertising deal with a pharmaceutical that sells blood pressure medication.
While in principle I agree that Refs need to be held accountable, in practice I am not sure how you will be able to do this in a reasonable way. This could devolve in to refs having to justify every call and missed call in a game, because we’re do we draw the line? What call is egregious enough to be questioned and what call is not. I don’t see anyway that this could be implemented without pissing off some party.
Oh, Wes was pretty outline without knowing everything Torts said. What’s more out of line is that fine + 2 game suspension. That said, as a Bolts fan, I would’ve died if he decided he’d still be “on the bench” after leaving by joining the ‘04 team up in their box mic’d to talk to his Assistant Head Coach. What’s Wes gonna do? Make him leave twice? It’s not like Torts would’ve been on the bench!
A coach that holds me accountable? Rewards me when I do good? Willing to go to jail for me if the other teams crosses the line? Id run through a brick wall for Tortz.
I’ve been saying for years that refs in all sports need to have press conferences after the game to answer questions about calls and non calls that they made.
The biggest thing that stood out to me when the Flyers were down 4-0 was the shots on goal. Tampa Bay was outshooting them 14-2 at that point and was on pace for about 85 shots. Tortorella should have saved some of those F-bombs for his defense.
Coach ejections should be handled like manager ejections in baseball. When manager get ejected they basically get to walk out on the field, say their peice to the ump then leave. Have the same for hockey
I think the league needs to start punishing the organizations at this point. After the Leafs coach said that brutal cross check was justified, and reves said "make the game more violent" Now shit like this.... Take your punishment like an adult, you F@#$ed up, now own it
It's like the scene in Forget Paris where Billy Crystals character (An NBA ref) throws out Kareem at his farewell game. But this was real and the emotions are what makes hockey the best.
No ones going to tell me those refs were out to fuck the flyers. Those calls were soft and they had their sights set on Torts. Love this guy!!! And im a Rangers fan
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50K and 2 games for calling out poor reffing.
5K and maybe 1 game for driving a guys head into the boards.
Shows whats more important to Bettman -
oh no he refused to leave without a true explaination to why he deserved it. the mans got rights like every player, ref, and other coach out there. it does noty excuse the escalating reffing situation the nhl has seen over the past few years.@@user-zk8gy6iv7z
The small player fines were a union demand, not Bettman.
the refs have been AWFUL all season i knew a coach or a player would eventually get fed up and call out the elephant in the room
All the commisonsers are more worried about looks than substance
Look at what the MLB did to Bauer just for calling them out on their bullshit
he was mad that they corrected the tripping call, which went against Philly, but ok
I fully expect torts to come out with sombrero and fake moustache next game to sneak in to coach lol
A paper bag over his head a la Ballard vs Roger
the Bobby Valentine Special
Tommy LaSorda once did that
"The Flyers announced today they have hired Juan Tortorella as an interim coach."
@@wolverinefangowings Juan La Tortilla!
Wes Mcauley was out of line. Torts was entitled to a conversation. The fine was totally exorbitant as well.
Lately it feels like whenever bad officiating gets mentioned, so does McCauley
Agree. He certainly deserved some attention from the refs, after all the crappy calls that led to Torts making a point of it.
Have you considered that Tortorella has done this to himself by blowing up on refs for 20 years, and he's the only one to blame if they don't want to listen to him anymore?
It’s ridiculous to give the coach two penalties and zero conversations.
surprised mcauley doesnt get himself a crosscheck cuz of how arrogant he is
He was right to be mad, the calls were awful. And the only thing league is doing is making sure nobody criticises the quality of the calls so it doesn't look bad for them.
Fining and suspending Torts instead made them look worse than they already do.
How can he be fined 50k?!?!😳 That's insane!
It's the NHL. Same with the government, they'll tax you more and more each year and you can't do anything about it.
Also the entire Flyers Organization said "We will pay any fine for him" it really shows that this Flyers squad has backbone for our guys and the city and I love it
Wes McCauley has always been a bad ref with a big ego, but people adore him because he says funny things on the mic
FIVE MINUTES
FOR FIGHTINGGGGGGGG
Thank you
been saying this forever, maybe one day the league will realize its stars are the players and not the stripes
@@andrestammer7515Just like MLB and the umpires.
Eck....someone already did the lip-reading very accurately on what Torts was saying. He was just very angry.....essentially telling the refs to go f*** themselves... and that he wasn't going anywhere. It was well-deserved, in my opinion. The refs took no responsibility for their bad refereeing.
The Refs need to be as much part of the game as the lines on the ice. That's it. Torts getting thrown out for this is Mickey Mouse league, especially when Wes is hiding on the other side of the ice.
Refusing to leave after being rejected is Mickey mouse behavior.
Tortorella needs to go to anger management.
@@alexandermacdougall7873back to the basement little boy/girl
Officials were WAY off base in this game, no accountability at all, just pathetic.
And that's the problem. There's no accountability. If the NHL doesn't want coaches and players getting upset at the refs, then refs need to be held accountable for when they make mistakes.
@@darthvader3742 yeah but they wont thats why the NHL will always be a bottom feeder league compared to the rest
@@darthvader3742 What makes you think they made a mistake? Because a biased coach has a different opinion?
@@TiggaTrey that has nothing to do with it. Hockey just isnt all that to people that dont already love it in the us, it's always been a stepchild
@@jefflarson1652 because they made a call for holding when the guy clearly didnt even touch anyone. theres replays of it
Funny how a coach getting a game misconduct has a higher fine than a players possibly career ending hit does xd
That's why I don't wager on pro sports. Like I'm sure an average $25 wager is no consequence. But what about a $500K+ bet.
Some NFL things are super sus.
@@burno7799 I wouldn't bet on hockey, don't know who the refs bet on until the game is on and they are making bullshit calls to help the team they want to win.
Bolts fan here. Love the energy that Torts brings and how he backs up his players; especially with the CEO having his back. The suspension goes too far imo, a fine is one thing, but some players dont even get suspended for injuring others.
Anyone who is a hockey fan has a handful of memories when a player injured another player and didn't even get a whistle. For me it will always be Johnny Boychuck breaking Mason Raymond's back in game 6 of the SC finals in 2011 and there was no suspension or even penalty on the play. But when a coach like Torts mouths off to the refs, he gets a 50k fine and 2 games holiday????????????????????
@@desyncerThat hit didn't look bad to me considering the Canucks were playing far more dirty than the Bruins and tried to end Nathan Horton's career. Horton was never the same after that hit.
They also were taking it off ice and talking trash about the Bruins, an example being Luongo saying Thomas' saves weren't impressive, them planning a Cup parade before the series is even over, etc.
Elliotte Friedman said this on the 32 thoughts podcast this morning. This is a bad look on officials. Unless we know what he said, then this makes officials look soft. The other thing is that John Tortorella had every right to be upset. If the NHL doesn't want coaches or players doing this to refs then the officials need to do a better job and refs have to be held accountable for mistakes.
Once again - where do we find and train refs? Do you honestly believe that they aren't graded and penalized by their bosses? They do have bosses.
@@siglavikingkearns8108at the same time though there's a shortage of officials across all sports, so there's not many people to replace bad officials that make it to the league and because of that the 💩 officials get to stay in the league.
@@siglavikingkearns8108 They are unionized. Do unionized employees ever get penalized or fired?
Tyrants don't answer any questions and hate being questioned
What mistakes did the refs made?
Flyer just announced they have called up backup goalie Tohn Jortorella for the next 2 games.
i'm a die hard Flyers fan and I was absolutely cackling over this. the refs were definitely out of line, but man did Torts give it to them.
Something needs to be done about the officials in this league, instead Bettman suspends Torts and fines him 50k?!?! I love how the CEO of the flyers pretty much gave the middle finger to Bettman by paying the fine lol
As a lifelong Flyers fan, Torts fits the teams culture that has sorely been gone for many years. We need more of this. To quote the Hanson brothers “old time hockey”
$50k? NHL is really just handing out yearly salary fines....
They make millions a year.
@@lestercrowley1485 that was kinda my point. Their fans....do not 😂
@@OutlierConcepts Oh, it sounded like yearly salary for players not fans. Kind of ambiguous.
Gotta love Torts
Flyers pickin up the 50k tab 👍
Can't believe there's a third unofficial team in every hockey game, yet you can bet on games....
One of the only coaches that still coaches hockey like it’s 2010. Good to see he hasn’t changed one bit
Real quick - can we talk about that pass from Stammer to Duclair?? That sauce was way too fine! Such a sick camera angle. Also, absolutely love Torts and his regularly scheduled programming, nothing short of legend status.
Great video, Eck! Always love seeing what you put out for us. Keep up the great work!
Tortorella is the best. He could even get Coach of the year. Flyers were picked to finish in the bottom 5 in NHL, and he has the Flyers in playoff mode.
The man is a horses ass and always has been. If he makes the play offs they will be beaten early and he will probably be unemployed for the rest of his life. Oh, wait, there may still be a few teams in the league he hasn't already worked for. And been fired by.
You mean team Canada is doing bad. Flyers have a #1 goalie in Ersson. They can trade Hart for first round pick, and maybe two.@@user-zk8gy6iv7z
Just love the fact that Tortorella gave the refs's an earful for poor officiating, I have watched far too many games this year, where 1 Team has had to beat the officiating Team and the Opposing team. There have been far too many games with grossly Biased Officials............
Refs have become an issue. When I see Wes is calling a game the shenanigan o meter goes off. I do understand there are a lot of “the call is the call in the moment” things but it’s just become detrimental in some aspects.
Perhaps you can suggest a better way to recruit and train refs? Reffing mistakes almost always even out.
@@siglavikingkearns8108 over the course of a season I think they do even out somewhat but I’d be more concerned on a game to game cadence.
I think Eck bringing up some kind of transparency like the last two minutes reports in the nba would be a good first step. They’re might not be an actual issue. Just one of perception.
@@siglavikingkearns8108is this wes McCauley's burner account?
In the world juniors the refs wen to video to determine if a high stick should be a major penalty or just 2 minutes. The replay showed it was the opposing team player's stick that hit himself so they called it no penalty. First time I have ever seen a penalty overturned on the ice. You would never see that in the NHL though.
@@MrWookie1981 yea they wouldn’t go for that level because then they’d be checking after every whistle lol. There has to be a balance though.
Watched a basketball game randomly on tv. They have a ref camera and afterwards the fouls / calls were clear, explained, and play continued. This was a shock to me.
Edit: I know nothing about the current state of basketball and its refs. This was just an observation I had as a hockey fan
Don't make it sound like the NBA refs aren't absolutely terrible. They are.
trust me, the NBA has a bigger officiating issue than the NHL
@@unstepintime refs aren't better but league is, i like hockey better but nhl is not a good league
@@echo-kh5ms League is how you see it. IMO Hockey and MLB are better because I enjoy those. To say the NHL is not a good league - based on what? Bad calls? Why watch then?
torts is such a goat man. as a flyers fan i love this shit (obv not the game but we doing good)
I love Torts, Briere, and Keith Jones. They are legends in Philly.
NHL refs and discipline department is a 100% Klown Show
I'm a flyers fan so I'm biased but torts and briere have given the flyers life this year. Torts should be considered for coach of the year.
Torts is a beauty
I LOVE this coach. Torts, you are Awesome !
I love this story. As a Bruins fan, go Flyers!!!!
Hate the Bruins, they are so damn good.
Torts was born to coach in Philly. God I love the guy. I really want Philly to make it in.
not a flyers fan, but i want to see them get in just for more torts.
yeah more coaches and players need to start standing up to refs on all leagues... too many of them are either blind, corrupt or have ego problems.
There needs to be a media scrum for refs.
Terrible idea. And I say that as a person who hates refs. Hell, we don't even need a media scrum for players most of the time. Most of them have nothing to say.
Beauty! Love this guy.. Refs need to be held accountable..
I love Torts! And loved what he did ion this case. You mention accountability. Here where I am the high school officials have zero accountability for their crappy calls. It's hard enough to play the other team, you should not have to play the officials too.
2:39 The audio I get sounded like 'can have have people openly...' and the transcript also has 'can'. I think you said 'can't and if so, I pretty much agree they shouldn't openly defy. But like you mentioned earlier in the video there needs to be some type of transparent accountability. And by transparent, I also mean transparent to the fans as well. Because at the end of the day we are the customers and the ones paying the bills. Be it through ticket, merchandise sales, purchases of advertisers products or what have you. Thanks for another excellent video.
Wes McCauley, now I understand. Love Torts, and you're right one of the best things for the NHL, constant entertainment and you love a guy who gives his guys 110% every night and will go through the wall for them. Also an underrated hockey guy. Despite his antics, his teams always seem to perform well and compete
Good. The reffs should hear it more.
Takes me back to the old days where the Oilwrs coach yelled at Don K to "go get another doughnut!" in the hallway. 😂
what a surprise.... Wes McCauley making the game about him.
Hi Eck, great vid as always! Do you think Philly will hold on to their playoff spot, or do you think the Isles or Caps will take it?
Edit: I fully expected the Flyers to finish 8th in the Metro this year and so them making the playoffs would be a huge surprise
Wes mctapper should be investigated. Been shady asf for years
50k is insane.
Brilliant all around from the Flyers organization. Finally! So what happened to Torts hand?
He said he had surgery done on it.
@@Delanore-Rooseveltin the comments section for another video of tortorella's argument with the ref, somebody joked that he had the bandage on his hand because he had supposedly broke a referees jaw in a dark alley, which was only meant in jest, because yes he had had surgery on his hand.
Good for you John, ref’s need to be held accountable! 😊
Torts is awesome and deserves a raise! He’s a great coach. He tells it as it is and he’s almost always right! Kicking a coach out shouldn’t be in the hands of the officials. They make a bad call, miss a call, are inconsistent, but nobody can say anything cause they’ll get a or get thrown out. The officials don’t get fined, don’t get suspended, there is zero accountability and we’ve known this for years. It’s nothing new and it’s in all sports. Refs should have to wear mic’s and if teams have a problem, the audio and video should be reviewed to see if the situation was handled correctly. You don’t want to call all the penalties that do and don’t get called? Simplify the rules so there are less infractions!
Sort of like the old movie about the trials of a referee ("Forget Paris", if I am remembering correctly), where the ref issued a game misconduct, and the affected player protested "You can't throw me out! This is my farewell game!", to which the ref replied "Then I guess it's time for you to say 'Farewell!'".
Gotta love Torts!!
Torts is a legend
You brought up a valid point about the optics of it all, on a night of honoring a team that he coached, he gets ejected for what appears to be a completely warranted disagreement about a player getting a game misconduct over a bump
Well I might just become a Flyers fan.
This is strategic by Torts. He puts the spotlight on him and that’s all the hot takes are about; meanwhile the Flyers played a terrible game which no one is really talking about where is the 2nd ranked PK was to kill those poorly called penalties. As a Flyers fan; I love Torts for this but lets be real. Every team has to deal with piss poor officiating.
Also Wes McC had been suffering from Main Character Syndrome for a while now. This needs to stop. All I want the refs to do is fairly and consistently call a game and be otherwise invisible.
They do their best. Where do we get better refs? Bobby Clarke once called Bruce Hood "ya fuckin queer" on national television.
@@siglavikingkearns8108take it easy Wes your jobs safe
Good video. 👍Tortorella is definitely the best most entertaining person in the NHL.
I thought they hired Torts, whom I considered a dinosaur, to assure that they would get Bedard in the Draft. Instead, he changed his style and took the undergunned Flyers all the way to playoff contention in just 2 years. If they can make it in, even as the #2 WC, I'd say he's coach of the year, easy.
Flyers CEO screwed up by saying that publically. Its possible there wouldnt have been a suspension tacked on had he stayed quiet.
Basically, it all started when Cirelli was hit during a downtime of play by Garnet Hathaway... dude, Hathaway gets a 10 minute misconduct which gets no explanation to Torts. So that got him going ... Then to boot, the Lightning score on a power play that they were already on to make it 3-0.
The next series of play that happens is Eyssimont is tripped by Attard, but the refs make the wrong call initially and call a penalty on the Lightning. A few moments later, the refs overturn themselves and instead it's a penalty on the Flyers, the right call! So then the Lightning score on a standard rebound in front of the net put in by Point, soft goal, easy #1 power play versus #1 pk goal. Important to note here that AGAIN Torts is not given an explanation as to what happened or why it was turned over. 4-0
Immediately following the goal by Point, Torts is blowing up on the refs from the bench as he's been left in the dark for two calls within the span of 5 minutes. Torts demands an explanation. Gets ejected, it gets announced that he's ejected. Torts refuses to leave. The other 3 refs who aren't Wes McCauley go over to Torts and tell him it's time to go. Torts continues to stand his ground for what feels like 10 minutes before walking down the tunnel.
I actually feel bad for Tortorella on this one because the refs have excluded him from all judgment seemingly from the time the puck dropped. He got no explanation on some weird calls, and he starts losing players early due to that bully-tryhard mindset... Shit only gets you so deep against a skilled team though, and the Lightning are on fire tonight.
This game will be remembered as Tortorella's Nightmare. It's a master craft in humiliation. I called my dad right after it happened and we had a real good laugh, they kept showing the team from 2004 up in the box seats laughing at Torts.
Classic.
It started before that. Attard was given a holding penalty for holding the invisible man - there was no holding by him except for holding his stick. Tampa scored in that power play.
Then the Attard tripping call came, and he barely touched the Tampa player with his arm - no knee or skate or stick pushed out to trip him. AND the other referee was calling for Tampa to be penalized on that play - don’t know what for because the call was not announced other than they decided that was a non-call.
And then the stuff mentioned by the top comment in this thread started.
Need more coaches getting involved, it's so much nicer for the fans and sport
I’m a huge Torts fan and it was a hilarious moment, but he probably went a little too far with what he said. Does the officiating kinda suck? Yeah it does, but you have to control your emotions if a call doesn’t go your way. He also didn’t leave the bench when he was told to, that will definitely get you fined. I don’t agree with the suspension though.
50k fine for disagreeing with refs? Yeah, thats way too much.
Love Torts and that the team has his back
$50k? That's like 10 slewfoots. What a ripoff.
Same was with Granato's fine. Granato fined 25K for speaking true, Cousins fined 2K for causing that.
Given the various efforts to equalize teams; fiddling with the rules of the game; and business pressures in the franchises, these situations are going to keep sprouting. Kudos to owner for supporting the coach!
Great video and a bunch of very valid points. Still, one of the things that killed my interest in football (soccer) was how players are constantly bitching over every decision of the ref that goes against their team. And I just love how in hockey (and in rugby!) the ref is the ultimate authority. Mess with the ref - enjoy an early shower. And that makes episodes like this one even more entertaining.
There is not a single hockey fan on earth that wouldnt say the lightning came out strong and the flyers looked like shit. That first goal attard got out of the way of it, didnt even try to block it, was protecting himself, he will learn.. But then he gets called for holding. HAHAH holding, for trying to push a guy a bit in the crease. Holding, no. Goal 2. Then Ersson does let in a softie. Then attard again for a trip that was nowhere near a trip in a million years. In fact, it was a dive. He literally dove. He's also known for diving. Goal 4. Then a little shove that is so common in the nhl it's silly, gets a 10 minute misconduct. I mean there's nothing else to say. Torts did the right thing in his protest. All of that was sheer bs. Doesnt matter how the Flyers were playing at that point the calls were silly. And the ejection was just a decent ref protecting his other shit ref and totally undeserved for torts. The suspension, just more nhl bull. We must support the refs durrrr. This game was a 10 minute 50 second travesty of everything gone wrong.
50k is crazy. they should just keep handing penaltys until he leaves. make him make his team play 5 on 3 the whole game if you have too lol. that should be the gambit, not 50 fucking k
Torts was a fucking legend back then and its phenomenal to see he still is
.. in three words , Jack Adam's Award .. .👏👏
I hate when people say things like, "The refs have no accountability." Believe me, there are things that happen behind closed doors when an official screws up. And nobody feels worse about it than they do when they get it wrong. They're human beings. They make mistakes. And they do their best to never make the same mistake again.
How are coaches fines a hell of a lot more then players
On top top of all that there was a penalty on Philly that the refs announced was on Tampa. When the refs corrected it and Tampa scored Torts lost it XD
It was such a strange scenario that a penalty was called there. Prevented the Flyers from trying to actually get a shot on goal…
There is no requirement for an official to speak to a pissed off bench. As a matter of fact, they are taught to conduct the following face off by lining up with the “happy” bench.
Ah, I loved Torts’ short, mystifying stay in Vancouver!
Yeah, the refs suck. They can’t ref a single game evenly.
Wes McCauley vs coaches.....you're telling me this for the first time....
Can we please leave Wes McCauley out of the playoffs from now on! He has screwed up enough games over his career to warrant it!...especially the fact that there is constant controversy when he does Leafs games !...and they say they don't want to effect the outcome of the game (haha)
I'm not normally a fan of slanted reffing, but getting the chance to watch Torts lose it makes it 100% worthwhile.
If I was the commissioner I'd tell the refs to do their best to get John to snap any chance they get, just for the views. And maybe work out an advertising deal with a pharmaceutical that sells blood pressure medication.
While in principle I agree that Refs need to be held accountable, in practice I am not sure how you will be able to do this in a reasonable way. This could devolve in to refs having to justify every call and missed call in a game, because we’re do we draw the line? What call is egregious enough to be questioned and what call is not.
I don’t see anyway that this could be implemented without pissing off some party.
Torts rules
Oh, Wes was pretty outline without knowing everything Torts said. What’s more out of line is that fine + 2 game suspension. That said, as a Bolts fan, I would’ve died if he decided he’d still be “on the bench” after leaving by joining the ‘04 team up in their box mic’d to talk to his Assistant Head Coach. What’s Wes gonna do? Make him leave twice? It’s not like Torts would’ve been on the bench!
Can you post more AHL content?
Whether the penalties were deserved you gotta kill the powerplay regardless. The only people who let 7 goals in were the Flyers players.
A coach that holds me accountable? Rewards me when I do good? Willing to go to jail for me if the other teams crosses the line?
Id run through a brick wall for Tortz.
Either hold reffs accountable or replace them with cameras
We’ll never know but,
I imagine the players would have an envelope on his desk.
( the players paid for the fine )
It was a BS call. The fact that McCauley didn’t go over to talk to Tort’s about the call…that’s just weak.
I’ve been saying for years that refs in all sports need to have press conferences after the game to answer questions about calls and non calls that they made.
The biggest thing that stood out to me when the Flyers were down 4-0 was the shots on goal. Tampa Bay was outshooting them 14-2 at that point and was on pace for about 85 shots. Tortorella should have saved some of those F-bombs for his defense.
The flyers have 4 defensemen injured and only had 5 that could play in that game. Wasn’t much they could do with the guys that they had.
valid point.@@Delanore-Roosevelt
Coach ejections should be handled like manager ejections in baseball. When manager get ejected they basically get to walk out on the field, say their peice to the ump then leave. Have the same for hockey
I think the league needs to start punishing the organizations at this point.
After the Leafs coach said that brutal cross check was justified, and reves said "make the game more violent"
Now shit like this....
Take your punishment like an adult, you F@#$ed up, now own it
Oh the night is about honoring Torts? "I am Wes Maculey, This games about me now. How dare you show me up."
Wow, Wes McCauley again? How surprising...
It's like the scene in Forget Paris where Billy Crystals character (An NBA ref) throws out Kareem at his farewell game. But this was real and the emotions are what makes hockey the best.
Ridiculous...I could see 25k fine but no suspension.
The *******CALGARY FLAMES* were the 2004 Stanley Cup Champions.
No they weren't, Dont get me wrong. Gelinas goal cross the line, but it was still Game 6, they didnt win a Game 7
No ones going to tell me those refs were out to fuck the flyers. Those calls were soft and they had their sights set on Torts. Love this guy!!! And im a Rangers fan