Archer (Fate/Stay Night) vs Erza Scarlet (Fairy Tail) - ANIME BATTLE COLISEUM
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2016
- It's raining swords on the battlefield when Fate Stay Night's Archer takes on Fairy Tail's Erza Scarlet in the first installment of Anime Battle Coliseum!
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Archer portrayed poorly
also
Erza outclassing archer INSIDE unlimited blade works?
That's where his materialization is at its fastest for weapons
agree without ubw erza wins but theres no way she can in ubw
@@caeluse I highly doubt she can win even without UBW. Don't forget EMIYA can materialize swords without UBW, that will at least halt her advantage of throwing swords and she will have to go close ranged and Archer can easily kill her then. Don't forget that even if Erza outclasses EMIYA in strength, power and speed, EMIYA has killed Heracles 6 times while critically injured and he still killed him 6 times before dying. No way in hell does Erza stand a chance against him.
@@thatguy3000 I can see your point but one thing to factor in is that Erza's armor sets. Her versatitly is what makes her a beast in Fairy Tail.
Heavens Wheel: Give hers unlimted projected swords that spiral around her.
Clear Heart: Insane stat boost to all catagorys, and a stat nerf to defense.
Nakagami: Gives the ablitiy to cut through any form of magic.
etc...
The reason I said she would lose in UBW is that Archer has enough sustained firepower to wear her down. But in any other scenario she is absolutely taking the W.
@@thatguy3000 Erza can literally overwrite UBW with her Scarlet like she did with Misaki and nullify any advantage Emiya could have
Besides, what Emiya did was impressive but Servant scaling is just too weak compared to Fairy Tail scaling except some exceptions here and there which power is calculated as EX, and Heracles isn't one of them
@@Nothingness4907Rewrite? Can it? how she does. Reality marble are highest kind of Magecraft. Furthermore, its not only his ace in the hole. His known most powerful version that has feats is Nameless. Equipped with the mystic code Wrought Iron Hero, he embodies all the nameless of all unknown heroes of humanity and gains the power if all hunan civilization. His limiters have been removed, he has the capability to trace even divine artifacts like Excalibur (Which he did even without the mystic code boost). Because of the mystic code, I doubt that Erza could rewrite due to having higher form of cosmology. Furthermore, he would be her worst nightmare as he would be able to trace her armors and weapons, ranked down. But can easily mitigated by projecting as a broken phantasm to reatore it to its full might.
Someone didn't do their homework before making this animation. Yeah, Erza is very strong, nobody cant deny it, buy like has been said below, Archer has many ways to defeat her.
almost too many
Julius Belmon I agree archer poses Excalibur’s too except he never use it because it’s not he’s style plus he can created better swords then what erza has
@@BlackWolf-qy1kk It is not only excalibur, archer has hundreds or thousands of different weapons with very high destructive powers. Calaboldg II is an example is a long distance projectile with the power of a ballistic missile.
Can Ezra move at faster than Mach 11? (Archer’s fastest documented shot)
Erza is much stronger now of course she could be stronger and faster
And I like both anime btw
Nice job, is funny the animation, but dude, Erza it's strong, but she can't beat EMIYA as Heroic Spirt, less inside of UBW.
@KevkokaHeroic spirits are supersonic in their speed and even below average heroic spirits can level city blocks with ease.Archer is so horribly underpowered its not even funny. A caladbolg to the face or gae bolg up the ass.At most caliburn spam.Ubw unneded.And this is just his Heroic spirit form.As a counter guardian his stats can be as powerfull he needs to be (CG hold threats like prrimate murder(planet level) at bay.And this isn't even taking into account the millions of noble phantasms thay he can effortlessly spam in ubw.And dont argue that erza a weapons can withstand a noble phantasm cuz frankly they cant.
@@SiegfriedFafnirsbane you’re lowballing. Archer is outerversal
@@SiegfriedFafnirsbane or complex multi
@Kevkoka Lol Biased Erza She is Strong But Archer Rho Aias Is that strong too
Whoever made this clearly have not watched Fate/Stay Night series nor read or played the Visual Novel
I mean Erza can cut down a meteor while having everything broken
@@Saiyagami how the hell can erza survive unlimited blade works.
Saiyagami 8 archer a lot more tactical he has to fight people on servant level or higher since he works for alaya Ezra a strong fighter I’ll give her that but compared to some of the other people archer has fought she wouldt last that long
@@ryanpaloma4951 if Archers swords cant destroy mountains they wouldnt hurt/overpower her
@@Saiyagami I mean, he shot a nuke at Heracles once.
Archer being at mountain level is debatable (does he scale to excaliber? He can replicate it after all) but he probably could copy all of Erza’s weapons too.
I don’t see Erza having any options over Archer in versatility.
When I saw this video, I really started to wonder who would win a fight. I personaly like both. So I started thinking... Erza Scarlet, the Fairy Queen. I doubt that she would be able to match his speed, but as good as she is, she would be ble to adjust to it at least, if not come very close. And I have little doubt that Erza is better when it comes to raw power, like when swinging a sword.
But even with all that.... Archer is still a Counter Guardian, person who fought in countless battles, against oppoments that were far stronger, experienced and father than him. And he won. Archer is far, far more experienced than Erza, he is tricky and calculating, has way more swords avaliable (obviously) and most of not all of legendary quality, which mean more options in battle, and even if that was not enough, he can instantly analyze the opoments weapon, get to know the strategies used with that weapon and prepare accordingly.
I am really sorry Erza, but you cannot possibly win a fight against this guy without lots and lots of luck and hours of preparation. You and the absolutely worst match against him.
I have seen the show, and I know that when she wears those red pants, she discards all defense for pure power. She by no means should have been in one piece when those arrows hit her, yet she was still alive. She should have been... well... dead several times over when those arrows hit. Not even Heracles appreciated those arrows and he has God's Hand NP (Noble Phantasm's ranked A or above, only the absolutely strongest attacks affect him for those not familiar with ranks).
And then the UBW summon. Just... just no. Archer would have to be close to disappearing due to lack of mana not to be able to overpower Erza's number swords.
I have little doubt that Erza today can summon way more swords than back then whe Laxus attacked Magnolia, but the reality marble is still called Unlimited Blade Works.
Keyword being Unlimited.
I do like you Erza. Sorry.
Bobromorča Damm, i didn't find a person that can look at this from a neutral standpoint, even i myself.
High praise to you for doing it!
All archers got to do is fire one broken phantasm and game over
i from the future and you are right
@@umekomashimotoromero7451 Why are people still replying to this comment 4 years later lol! Thx though
@@bobromorca7198 this was in my recommendations for some reason
The downplaying of Archer in this video is disgusting.
... OK. I'ma gonna go on a long, drawn-out tangent that both argues this and (getting this out there now) really makes me think you didn't do an ounce of research on this. And it's so long, I'm gonna need to break it into several posts.
Looking at the advantages and disadvantages... it really, really does not look like Erza could have realistically won this fight, barring special circumstances that I'll get to later. And for this, I'm going to forgo looking at the power-scale for now and just compare their known abilities. And right from the start, it doesn't look good for Erza.
Archer basically has everything over her - with a glance, he can read her weapons and armor via tracing (which adds to his arsenal and lets him analyze weapons just by looking) as soon as she brings it out, letting him know in advance it's abilities and maximum capabilities. He also reads the weapon's histories, letting him learn each and every fighting move or style Erza has used said weapon for and the battles it's been in - thus, letting him quickly deduce how to counter her moves or turn them back on her, switching between these two actions to keep her off-balance. In a blind battle where neither knows the other or their abilities, Erza would likely lose 9/10 times because she would try to plan her way through it and try to see through Archer's tactics, while Archer can read and recognize all hers in an instant and plan accordingly. First encounters would basically go to Archer.
Then there's the fact that Archer can modify any weapon he's traced into derivative variants, like how Caladbolg II was modified from the original Caladbolg, or how Trace Overedge is Kanshou and Bakuya modified into longswords - meaning Archer can effectively go Knightwalker x 1000 on Erza and alter the weapons he traces to serve as projectiles or alternate tools. Granted, it might not be something he can do on the fly (never been confirmed to my knowledge that he can modify or create new alternate versions of traced weapons in such a short timeframe), but the fact remains that Archer's supply of effective weapons multiplies depending on how many variants he could make, which Erza can't do. Broken Phantasms takes this further and allows him to turn his weapons into high-octane missiles or bombs, or boost their power to the limit - Caladbolg alone would likely match the Jupiter Cannon that destroyed Erza's Adamantine Armor, so her only defense isn't going to last long in that case.
Then, like Erza, Archer is very, very tough - in the Fate route of F/SN, he was able to kill the monster Berserker, AKA Demigod Heracles, six times before being killed himself. In the Unlimited Blade Works route, he was impaled by Shirou, then impaled by Gilgamesh multiple times, both after having used UBW twice without any prana-supply from a Master, yet still lasted long enough to deliver a sword-spam on the tainted Grail and then finish off Gilgamesh. In the Heaven's Feel route, hen he was impaled through his spiritual core - the central tether to his existing in the world as a Servant - by the Shadow - a creature that kills Servants just on contact that regular Servants like Berserker and Saber couldn't resist - Archer not only survived long enough to save Rin from the Shadow, but survived the trip back to the Kotomine Church and then survived long enough for his arm to be surgically grafted onto Shirou, as the arm would have vanished if Archer died before the surgery was finished. Nothing Erza lived through thus far can top what Archer's endured - not the 100 monsters of the Grand Magic Games, not the fights on the Tower of Heaven or Trenou Island, not even the battles with Tartaros or the current Alvaraz Empire arc. Hell, Archer's UBW injuries being sustained when Archer wasn't even at his peek and on the verge of vanishing from the world. Bottom line - Archer's durability could be considered just as crazy as Erza's is, if not greater, and nothing short of decapitating him or piercing his brain will succeed in killing him with just one shot/strike.
Based on Shirou's abilities in Fate and HF, Archer is likely able to reinforce his body using not just reinforcement magic, but a mesh of swords under his skin that can also stitch wounds together short-term. Reinforcement magic would allow him to move faster and strike harder as well as perceive things clearer and faster, meaning that he could rival Erza in terms of physical abilities, though I admit Erza would have the advantage of not needing reinforcement magic to be at that level. Archer, also due to being a Spirit, is capable of going intangible and invisible to move about terrain easily blitz or snipe his enemies by relocating from area to area quickly - though enchanted weapons can still hurt him in this state, so Erza would be able to hit him if she could manage to find and get close to him.
Another disadvantage to Erza - Archer's Reality Marble, Unlimited Blade Works, which, following it's namesake, provides unlimited copies of any weapon in it's storage. If Archer breaks the one he's using, he can trace a replacement without issue. Erza however not only has a fixed amount of weapons and armors in her vault at any one time, but she cannot instantly replace any armor or weapons she breaks during the course of a battle. Example; defensive abilities - if her Adamantine Armor gets broken, it's gone. She has to wait until after the battle to, depending on the damage, either fix it or outright replace it. Archer on the other hand can materialize Rho Aius multiple times, so long as he has the prana to do so. If Erza's blades break, she can't create new ones like Archer - she has to go out and either buy new ones or rebuild the old ones by hand. If Gilgamesh, who did not have that limitation, got defeated by UBW Shirou, how would Erza win against the far more experienced and potent Archer with such a limitation? At the very least, she would not be able to match his sword-spam as she can't keep up with the amount of weapons he has to throw, and unlike Archer, she can't throw her weapons away en-masse as disposable bombs like he can.
Archer is also able to summon multiple copies of the same weapon at once - this is the basis for his "Triple-Linked Crane Wings/Crane Three-Wing Chains" technique, projecting two to three sets of Kanshou and Bakuya, using the blade's magnetic attraction to their opposites to attack the enemy from different angles at once with all four or all six blades. Erza does not have more then one copy of each weapon in her vault outside of her more generic blades - or the armors that carry identical sets such as the ones used for the Heaven's Wheel armor - and she can't create new replacements like Archer can. Archer can also bring out these copies far faster then Erza can at once, as she needed to concentrate to draw out a dozen or so when not using the ones supplied by Heaven's Wheel armor, whereas Archer can summon that many in around a second or two.
Then, we have the fact that nearly every weapon Archer can throw is a Noble Phantasm - a crystalized mystery with legendary powers - whereas most of Erza's weapons, while likely all enchanted to cut through or block enemy magic, would mostly be at the levels of Mystic Codes or talismans. It doesn't matter if all her weapons are geunine because compared to Archer's arsenal, Erza's weapons likely don't have more then base enchantments, and very few of them could be considered capable of being or matching Noble Phantasms. In terms of powerful weapons, Archer once again takes the advantage because, after the Grail War, the number of powerful weapons and combat techniques he's archived would be well beyond most of Erza's weapons - Caliburn, Gae Bolg, Heracles' Nine Lives fighting technique, the majority of weapons from Gilgamesh's GoB - even as copies, Archer's Noble Phantasms still outstrip almost anything Erza has. Making them Broken Phantasms only widens the gap - there are few weapons Erza has that could rival that kind of power already and, unlike Heracles, she can't revive when killed or has God-Hand skin that can let her tank the blast if she tries to block it or go on a counteroffensive (because the only reason Heracles survived broken Caladbolg was because he had divine protection from God Hand and thus be strong enough to take it without a defensive item, unlike Erza).
Moreover, if UBW itself is summoned, it's effectively game over for Erza - like with Gilgamesh, UBW would trace every weapon she brings out the second Archer sees it. And because every weapon is already deployed inside the Reality Marble, Archer can call the counter-weapon to his hand before Erza's even finished pulling her own blade from her pocket-dimension vault, letting him outpace her. This was how Shirou defeated Gilgamesh, so it only makes sense that it's how Archer would beat Erza - basically, Erza would need to beat Archer *before* he could summon it, or else she's DOA.
(PT 2)
Now we move on to mental and psychological advantages - and again, it looks grim for Erza. Unlike her, Archer doesn't really play by the rules - Erza is rather straightforward in her attacks and strategies, while Archer will always play dirty if it means he can win. From using Hurnting to snipe Erza in the back with a homing missile when she thinks she's dodged it to feinting and hiding his strengths and making it seem like he has a limit to what he can do - after all, Erza may assume he's an Ex-quip mage like her and thus be in for a big shock when or if she learns what his power really is. Another thing is that Archer has far more combat experience - Erza is nineteen (or twenty as of the most recent manga issue) and has not been around for as long as Archer has. With his time in the Grail War - both as a Master and as a Servant - and the unspecified decades, if not centuries, that he's spent as a Counter-Guardian honing his skills, Archer vastly outclasses Erza when it comes to experience.
Another deficiency on Erza's end - Archer is not afraid to use lethal force as the first recourse. After what she endured during her childhood on the Tower of Heaven, Erza has pretty much come to see all life as precious (though it took some time for her to see her own life as such) and thus doesn't often kill her enemies, even those people who are evil and really should die, unless she has absolutely no choice (although truth be told, I think Gray is the only one of the main cast of Fairy Tail members who's actually killed people, as seen when in the origin manga they released for him in which he killed some dark mages prior to joining Fairy Tail - plus that one guy he flash-froze during the Eizenwald arc at the very beginning of the series). And if Archer wins then, unlike most of her usual opponents, he's not going to stop and gloat or do anything to let Erza have the chance to get back up - he'll put a blade or arrow through her head and only then will he walk away; her being unable to fight back won't matter to him.
Depending on the rules of engagement, it can be a disadvantage - if this is a death-match without rules, like say, Erza stumbles on Archer killing bandits in the woods and her code of honor dictates she not let people, even murderers, be straight-up slaughtered, Erza would have a much higher chance of losing because she doesn't strike to kill. Archer on the other hand has no such qualms if someone makes an enemy of him. In a rule-bound legal match where the combatants can't kill each-other, Archer would be forced to reign in the destructive power of his weapons, but his large pool of advantages would likely still give him the win if it's a first-encounter.
Archer's advantages, overall, give him a marked edge on Erza, and I'd have to say that in a fight, he'd win 9/10 times.
Now, that's not to say Erza doesn't have things that could give her an advantage, but they are much fewer in number. Erza's prime skill is she's capable of largely diversifying her physical abilities - her armors grant her a far larger array of physical enhancements then Archer's reinforcement magic does. Archer gets a general boost to his abilities while Erza can branch into specific enhancements, like speed, force or elemental resistance (one armor for each element) - Archer has greater diversity in weapons, but diversity in physical boosts are squarely in Erza's field. Erza's natural toughness means that she doesn't have to expend prana on reinforcement magic like Archer does in order to take on powerful opponents. Archer's reinforcement would let him match Erza blow-for-blow, though he'd have to expend prana every time he uses reinforcement - Erza does not have that deficiency, meaning that if it's a straight-up test of strength, she could potentially outlast and overpower him in a direct blade-lock. However, that won't be enough on it's own since Archer would only need to keep Erza from getting directly up in his face - like most of the opponents Archer has faced, such as Saber, it's game over if he lets it become a straight-up slugfest, so he’d naturally work to avoid that. Another advantage in Erza's court is that she's got a higher base resistance to magic - Archer's Magic Resistance is weaker then most Servants, so Erza would take less damage from magical attacks then Archer would. Combine this with his being a spirt and Archer has an additional vulnerability to anti-spirit magics or spirit-binding spells, which Erza may or may not have to use on him.
The only high-level advantage Erza has aside from being naturally strong physically is that, unlike Archer as a spirit, Erza doesn't need a medium to get her energy - she's not tied to a Master for her magic. She's a living person, so she has her own magic stores and generation, whereas Archer is dependent on how much prana he can store before the battle and how much he can take from his Master at any one time. So depending on who his Master is/how capable they are/how much power they can provide, Archer could either be in top form, if not better (Rin, Sakura or Illya as Master), be passible at best (Shirou as Master), or abysmally bad straits and can't afford drawn-out battles (Shinji or Kuzuki as Master). Erza is also capable of training and getting stronger as she matures over time, whereas Archer's physical abilities (Strength, Agility, Luck, ect) are locked into place and can't improve unless he switches for a more powerful Master then whichever one he currently has, and it would need to be one of comparable mindset to him unless he wants to get stuck with a low Luck rating (because last I checked, Luck stats were determined by personality compatibility between Servant and Master).
Erza's honor-code system has let her learn how to fight while still playing by the rules, while Archer is more used to being free-formed and not following any such guidelines in order to reach his own peak. Therefore, rules of engagement would be a big factor in fighting style as well - if this was a rule-bound match, Archer would be restrained from using a lot of his most devastating attacks like Broken Phantasms, or from delivering lethal hits when many of his strategies rely in feinting strikes to vital points. He would still be able to win, but he would have a much harder time of it then Erza would, which would give Erza much more ample opportunities to learn the tricks and catches of his powers and abilities and start working around them, and vise-versa in a no-rules sudden-encounter deathmatch in the open world.
Archer's pragmatism can work against him in other cases because he might hold back some of what he can do for possible future battles and underestimate how much force he should use in the first strike, while Erza is more predispositioned to go all-out with everything she has if she is persistently unable to get an edge with anything less. If the battle were a chess-game, Erza would be white and Archer would be black - she would be the one taking the initiative and he the reaction. On the plus for Archer, he gets to see the first move and plan countermoves and adapt as it comes, but the downside is that Erza gets the first chance to draw blood, and it increases the risk that she can land more definitive blows with a strong offense - which could be fatal to Archer if Erza is able to blitz him before he had a chance to finish his soul aria and summon UBW, since I don't know if the prana he gathers for it gets wasted if the summoning is interrupted before it's finished.
(PT 3 - Last Part!)
Erza has precious few weapons that could rival or counter a Noble Phantasm - it doesn't matter if they're not copies or the like; they just do not have the same power level that a Noble Phantasm has, nor can she use them as disposable tools like Archer can; if they break, they're done. The few she has would likely be De-Mavelo-Lance from her Giant's Armor and possibly her Purgatory armor for offense, with Adamantine Armor for defense. However, she does have at least two that can match even Broken Phantasms. The first (I'll get to the second one later) is The Amadura Fairy Armor, which would be the one that gives Erza the biggest advantage against Archer as it utilizes energy-beams as weapons and fires wild torrents of said energy, which is something Archer can't do - since all his weapon attacks are with physical blades - and something Archer can't trace - since his projection is, again, limited to physical blades. This was the armor which she used against her Edolas counterpart Erza Knightwalker and had the power to not only break the latter's strongest lance but completely shatter the island they were fighting on, meaning it could likely rival the broken Caladbolg - however, it would also likely cause the armor's destruction due to the fact that Erza has to physically slash with her blade while Archer can comfortably fire at a distance. However, it doesn't blunt the fact that Erza has at least one weapon that could rival the broken Caladbolg. Another consideration is Archer's weak Magic Resistance - D-Rank, which is way below most average Servants. So, because most of her weapons have some form of enchantment, her blades won't be useless to her like they would be against a Servant with a high Magic Resistance like, say, Saber - even if they're weaker then a Noble Phantasm, Erza's weapons would still be able to wound and kill Archer if she can actually hit him.
Another factor regarding rules of engagement in this - hindsight and preplanning. In a first-time battle, Archer would be able to outmaneuver Erza, draw her into his stratagems and reliably defeat her. However, if Erza knows who or what she's up against, she would have a markedly better time of it because she would know not to waste time laying out strategies or plan surprises and just go no-holds-barred right out of the gate. It also determines how prepared they are - if Erza is sent on a mission for an anti-hero who's been indiscriminately killing criminals, she would at least know to expect a hard fight though not what he could do. Likewise, if Archer knew she was coming and had the time to study her from a distance, he would have ample opportunity to plan out contingencies in advance or even choose the field of battle by luring her out to him.
Finally, another determining factor is what time-period of Erza's this is. If it's pre-timeskip Erza, then she'd be able to put up a fight, but would still likely lose 9/10 times. If it's post-timeskip/Grand Magic Games Erza, she'd have a much better chance of winning, but only if she pulled out the only other of the two armors/weapons that could stand on par with NP's - the Armor of Nakagami. Reason why is that, while Amadura Fairy would let her rival Caladbolg, The Armor of Nakagami is perhaps the ONE and ONLY armor that could give her a definitive advantage against Archer, due to the fact it's halberd weapon operates like Lancer Zero's Gae Dreag - it nullifies any and all magic the blade connects with, meaning she could use it to dispel the special powers/abilities of Archer's projections (if not possibly dispel the projections themselves since, unlike real NP's, Archer's weapons are closer to a magic that only emulates NP's) and, potentially, dispel Archer's Reality Marble if he'd summoned it by severing the prana supply. The blade is also capable of cutting anything it comes into contact with, including "space," meaning that this weapon would theoretically allow Erza to cut through UBW's boundary field and most of Archer's weapons - though again, Archer would simply have to not get close to her.
Point of fact being that the Armor of Nakagami is the only thing that would let Erza have a definite chance against Archer as it's blade is basically the bastard-child of Excalibur and Gae Dreag in terms of cutting power and anti-magic attacks and nothing Archer has, not even Rho Aius, could likely stop it as she'd just cut through the magic creating it - and any weapon that could would be beyond Archer's ability to trace, like Excalibur. But then again, that's assuming he isn't able to trace the Nakagami blade itself and turn it back on her, canceling both out with clashing concepts and stalemating the exchange - or that, like her other weapons, he wouldn't recognize the threat it poses and simply opts to interrupt her summoning of it; after all, even the greatest weapon in the world is useless if you can't actually hit the target with it. The downside to Erza would be the massive amounts of energy it consumes when used, meaning no prolonged engagements - in order to have a good chance against Archer, Erza would need to know to equip the Armor of Nakagami *right out of the gate* without giving Archer time to plan a counter, and it's unlikely she'd know to do that if she was meeting him for the first time in battle or knew nothing about his abilities beforehand, hence again why the rules of engagement are again a big factor here. Likewise, if it's post-Tartarus Erza, then she's have her Wingblade armor as well, which acts like an upgraded Heaven's Wheel armor with blades that can land blows without making direct contact, bypassing defenses - basically, they hit if swung regardless of if they connect, similar to Gae Bolg's conceptual curse of always striking when swung and bypassing an opponent's guard, though even that could be mitigated by reinforcement or even by Archer just tracing the blades for himself to turn against her.
So, all that in mind, it basically boils down to this in my opinion:
Archer vs Pre-Timeskip Erza - Blind Match: Archer wins 9/10 times, Erza wins 1/10 times.
Archer vs Pre-Timeskip Erza - Pre-Aware Match: Archer wins 8/10 times, Erza wins 2/10 times.
Archer vs Post-Timeskip/GMG Erza - Blind Match: Archer wins 8/10 times, Erza wins 2/10 times.
Archer vs Post-Timeskip/GMG Erza - Pre-Aware Match: Archer wins 7/10 times, Erza wins 3/10 times
Archer vs Post-Tartarus Erza - Blind Match: Archer wins 7/10 times, Erza wins 3/10 times.
Archer vs Post-Tartarus Erza - Pre-Aware Match: Archer wins 6/10 times, Erza wins 4/10 times
Basically, my money's squarely on Archer. Now I can't deny that Erza's starting to catch up to him as of the most recent issues of the manga, given what just one of her new armor sets can do, but she's a long way from reliably beating him. Maybe by next year it'll be 50/50 between them. But as of the current date, Archer still has the marked advantage due to tracing, replaceable weapons, disposable copies, copying fighting styles, learning his enemy's abilities the instant they pull the weapon out, and just having the larger library of powerful weapons in general.
Short version - I really, really don't see how he'd lose here. And if you reply to this, DON'T say "Archer lost to both Gilgamesh and Shirou", because:
- Gilgamesh not only ambushed him but did so precisely because Rin theorized that Archer & Shirou's abilities were the *only ones that COULD reliably beat him* and thus Gil couldn't risk fighting him head-on.
- Archer's loss to Shirou was more because he ceded the fight to Shirou when he realized he couldn't break the latter's will, pretty much allowing him to stab him.
Neither of these things are applicable to a fight with Erza - she's too moral to do what Gilgamesh did, nor does Archer have a personal interest in breaking her will like with Shirou if it's just a blind fight where neither knows the other beforehand.
Shorter version - if you wanted to go about "creating exciting battles while representing characters with authenticity", you should have done your research better, dude :/
Best Comment ever made. THIS is why Archer would completely and utterly win against Erza. It's not even funny.
i really really agree with you
*You* do? You're the one who was defending Erza's victory, yet what I just did here was basically explain why she *couldn't* have likely won and why Archer would have likely beaten her. Did I somehow change your mind?
The video was definitely very well done. but I heavily disagree with the outcome,especially with how Erza won. (if Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon cannot overcome UBW's insta-blade copying abilities,I really really doubt erza could out sword-spam him)
Nonetheless,you get a like from me for an entertaining video. unlike certain fanatics (*cough*DBZtards*cough*),I don't find it a big deal to see my favorite character(huge Archer fan here)losing so long as the battle/video is actually good and entertaining,even if I ultimately disagree with the results.
For all y’all complaining about the outcome, it isn’t researched- so quit yapping and just enjoy the animation
Im sorry what? Theres positively NO WAY that ARCHER (not emiya who was able to defeat the unlimited gate of babylons armory) can get "out-sworded" by erza....maybe if she pushed the time limit on archer's UBW and got back to reality then yeah she would have owned him..but inside UBW? nope xD
you are really angry because Erza is stronger than Archer right?? caml down because this is just anime
Nguyen Le angry? no. this victory was just illogical, as i said if erza had gone on and dragged archer out of UBW then yeah it was an easy victory for her, but inside archers reality marble? IM sorry theres just no chance for her to win
+AzureFayt but this video you was seen is NOT all of the thing Erza can do, for real, Erza can do the better in this fight
It also wasn't anywhere near all of what Archer could do, either. Scroll around and you should find a rather detailed breakdown I made regarding why I really doubt Erza could have won, especially the way this fight played out.
+Nguyen Le
She really can't. Every second that Erza gives Archer is another second that lets Archer copy more of Erza's armory. Eventually Erza would be faced with having to fend off all of her own weapons plus the thousands of weapons that Archer has collected throughout his life.
This makes me more disappointed than my dad was when I fell off my bike when I was 8
Great animation, but:
The swordsmen with a limited amount of swords won against the servant with literally an unlimited amount of blades of equal or sometimes higher quality than the ones he's fighting while a in a reality marble.
Archer losing in blade spam? LOLWAT, Keywords her being: *Infinite* Sword Creation / *Unlimited* Blade Works. Given that he has literally everything used against him plus everything he had from before, this makes no sense.
Archer>Erza
Archer < Erza
@@adityashukla2635 in terms of character Archer>>>>>Erza
In terms of strength archer>>>>erza
Soooooo was it forgotten he can trace gae bolg and auto aim spear her heart ?
Somebody pin this comment
Ok so I love the fight and all that but how the hell does Erza out sword archer inside a world of unlimted swords!?
Edit: Wow I can't believe it's been two years since I made this small comment. Anyway I think a proper example of someone spamming all their swords inside UBW would be as shown in Oath Under Snow.
It's Erza.... it's Erza...
ShineyCo
Yes and while that is a valid answer I'm pretty sure that in UBW Archer is pretty much a god! As in he knows where everything is inside it, has complete control of his endless blades, in extra he could project a version of Excalibur! Granted slightly degraded version but still!
It is ERZA DUDE, even E.N.D fears her
ShineyCo
...crap I really need to read the past 100 chapters or so. I stopped when Natsu used that badass dragon tattoo.
oh it gets better and bad, I mean it's hiro with his bs
Hmmm.....the only accurate thing I saw was Rhio Aias deflecting her spear but that's it lol.
Archer Missing WITH HIS BOW? who the hell is that guy? because he isn´t the archer from fate stay night thats for sure
THESERGEANTHUNTER agree
AGREEEEE
He is archer class
Thats actually SATAN
Yeah, right. No. Archer can won this easily. When you are a sword yourself, and when you have, by definition, an "Unlimited" amount of swords, another swordsman can't beat you. Not only can he use your own swords against you, but he can even delve into their history and steal your style. Meaning that he can create the perfect counter against you, because he know EXACTLY how you fight.
This feels like poor Fairyfag for me. Eww.
By the way, not even going to comment about Faily Fail.
The moment Erza was dragged into UBW it was over and come on it's Archers world filled with his weapons Erza wouldn't have lasted long enough to bring out her weapons. She needs time to bring out 200 swords, Archer can bring out more easy in UBW and Caladbolg is able to take 1 of Berserker's 12 lives and last time I checked in pure strength Berserker is the strongest servant. not counting magic resistance or anything else
Well, aside from Saber Alter she's the only fate servant to ever surpass him in strength canonically... which I think is stupid
Kyoya Fuyusaki she can use her nakagami armour to cancel out his magic
not physically image done my magic thou, so canceling magic would be nigh unless sends all of his attacks are physical, sends he's launching physical blades at her. but there also his caladabolg two which would just by pass the defense, and not even nurakami armor can fully blocks broken phantasm. and if you say she can beat him using heavens well, I'm going to assume that launching them would count on the level of throwing them so rio his would be more then capable of blocking every blade she throws, remaber lancer needed power capable of destroying a mountain just to break through the first six, and last one stopped it.
In addition to Berserker's God Hand, which negates most attacks below A rank
Portrayed Archer terribly, he would have won no contest. The only one who can beat Archer is himself.
no no you was wrong, you can talk like that because you are never read fairy tail, if you read it you will thinking different, very different, i think
Well I have actually. Archer would easily win they didn't even have archer using most of his moves or playstyle. not to mention he moves so fast being a heroic spirit guardian that you can't even see him move unless he's swinging his sword.
+Nitrocity but Erza still have the Flight armor to attack with Archer's move even been he fast and the thing you seen about Erza is not of the most thing she can do, she can do better than this, my friend
Except Archer's capable of moving that fast himself, can reinforce himself to take severe damage, can summon dozens of blades in an instant to surround himself, and can instantly replicate any weapon Erza uses and turn it against her - possibly even before she herself can use the original.
Likewise, Archer can do far better then that.
well ezra has been show to move very fast even with out her armor and has been shown to be extremely durable in her battles even when most of her armor is broken, and have been severely wounded herself. she has been show to calculate things and figure out what armor she has to use in order to stay in the game bottom line it would come down to who can outplay who first
clearly the one who did this doesn't know about Archer's reality marble.............UBW has literally a infinite number of swords, because when they are destroyed, they would appear again inside of it!....................Shirou even was capable of resisting a full powered Enuma Elish (which is capable of destroying the world and reality itself) for a brief period of time by smashing ALL MILLIONS of swords into it, many of them were replicas of magical, demonic and holy swords, which far outclasses anything Erza has except for a few legendary swords and armours, not to mention that i doubt Erza is even capable of seeing Hrunting which traves beyond mach 10
i'll also add that he has centuries or even millenia of fighting experience because of his role as a counter guardian, Erza is barely out of his teens, but hell! "power of friendship" and "because she's erza" it's an omnipotent ability!
the moment Archer casted UBW, Erza lost. Inside of his reality marble he doesn't need to Trace anything, he can manipulate all the Noble phantasm with his mind, and attack her with them, maybe she can deflect dozens of the them, even hundreds at the same time, but what about thousands of them? hundreds of thousands?
Zetcoy shirou didn't resist EA he cut Gil arm before it activate
God of calamity he did in Fate/Kaleid
***** oh
yeah, like tons of other people said: fun to watch but no way would archer have lost, ESPECIALLY with Unlimited Blade Works active.
HAHAHAHA. you know for a Fact that Archer can Summons Swords ways faster than her. and on to of that. He's 100 times faster than her. so you know. Archer wins. plus Erza my be The must powerful Fariy but She could never Lay a Finger on Archer.
Archer Wins. unlimited Blade Works. has the advantage over her because that put in one detail is that Erza can Run low on magic Quick. Archer Doesn't. So that's one advantage. than the Fact that Archer could have taken Those blades and used them as his own. so In the End Archer my Favorite Anime Character. Wins
Ngl EMIYA would still win just by standing and spamming swords
So....
Gilgamesh style?
Yeah should have seen Erza winning, seeing that it's fairy tale, and god knows a fairy tale character can't lose. Dislike earned. I don't care what weird sword Magic Erza used at the end, Archer used the UNLIMITED Blade Works. Unlimited is a key word.
Agree unlimited/10
Fairy Tail characters can lose, just put them up against stronger characters.
Plot armor will trigger and the stronger opponent will die because friendship power of whatever :v
lol
lol
Aside from how well it looks.
The outcome is so very wrong.
No Triple-Linked Crane Wings/10.
Archers speed and minds eye were very underestimated here, also the broken phantasm caladbolg explodes on impact, the instances where she blocked or reflected it is inaccurate, also heavens wheel cant create infinite blades nor create them as quickly as emiya can. Also would've been cool to see archer trace some of ezra's weapons
Erza, winning against a Servant? And not just ANY servant, but a Guardian? Lol the outcome of this battle was a joke.
Cuz she is Queen
No one cares ok
@@Grim340 exactly. This shit is retarded
@@adityashukla2635 Archer kills Empires for breakfast.
... i am not saying that Archer would have wiped the floor with Erza, but he is literally better at everything she is good at.
He has more experince, the bigger arsenal, more raw power and usefull traits in comparisant to her. Also, it is worth mentioning that the weapons Archer can trace have the power of the originals, though weaker. But there were litteraly thousands of methods he could have killed her. Hrunting which CAN NOT be dodged, Nine Lives Blades Works or Tsubame Gaeshi to instantly turn her into sashimi, Excalibur to nuke, Rule Breaker to nullify her Requip, ...
While she would have surprised him, he dealt with MUCH more powerfull fighters.
Toto Tpyobo Ok now i am triggerd 😆
What are the reasons?
Toto Tpyobo Short answer: Archer win because he has more experience and a far better arsenal.
Long answer: I will divide it into Physical Atributes, Martial Skill, Magic and Equipment. For record i will go with a version of Archer that stand in the middle of the versions in the Fate-Universe in terms or power and all.
Physical Attributes:
Erza most certainly tips the scales in her favor here. While i would put their endurance (both survived attacks such as impaling, shooting or great physical force that would have definitly killed others), agility (point blank dodging of projectiles and explosions) and mana (neither started to dry out even in enlonged battles), Erzas strenght is definitly superior.
Martial Skill: I will say that they are even. Though i don't know much about Erzas fighting style. Erzas fighting style seems a weapon-oriented-swapping style, where she uses her skill with each weapon and armor in a highly refined standart style, couppled with personalized combat manuvers and her magic for rappid changes to overwhelm the opponent both physically and mentaly as they are unable to withstand the everchanging assault.
In contrast, Archer nomally steps for a personalized style with his two shortswords, baiting the opponent with holes in his defence while striking to catch his opponents in their attacks, seemingly predicting where they would strike. By being not fixated on the exact method of winning, he aims for opening many possibilities not available to those who fight with chivalry and codes of honor. As such, he posesses also great skill with a varity of weapons, the most notable his archery.
Magic: I'd give Archer the upper hand here. While Erza's Sword Magic and Telekinesis are noteworthy, they only serve to bolster her Requip Magic. In comparisant to that, Structural Grasp and Reinforcement offer more benefits in combination with his Tracing. And with the broken phantasms (overcharging his projections until they break) and Unlimited Blade Works (world of weapons), he definitly gets the edge in this category.
Equipment:
And here we are at the nail in the coffin. I am not going to list the whole arsenal, but Erzas most important armors are: Heaven's Wheel Armor, Giant Armor, Adamantine Armor, Armadura Fairy, Nakagami Armor and Piercing Armor. Archer greatest weapons include: Kanshou and Bakuya, Hrunting, Rho Aias, Gae Dearg, and Durandal. Since you are familiar with Erza's arsenal i will give a quick overview over the weapons of Archer. Kanshou and Bakuya are his shortswords, not too much noteworthy about them. Hrunting is an arrow he can shoot with Mach 10 from 4 Kilometers away that will continue to pursue the target, even if parried, repulsed, or avoided, as long as he keeps aiming. Rho Aias is a seven-layerd shield he can materialize, each layer as strong as a fortresswall. Gae Dearg is a spear that will pierce directly through any projection made of magical energy, armor for example, and any weapon that is magically enhanced, will have its enhancements and ability boosts rendered useless when struck by it. And lastly, Durandal. A peerless, unbreakable sword that is said to hold 3 miracles within. And there is much, much more, Erza may posses over 200 weapons and 100 armors, but Archer has thousand of them, most of them with a special ability and power he can use. Sorry, there is no way i can give this to Erza.
And with that, i'm done. While Erza would stand up to him and overpower him phsically on a few occations, Archers arsenal in combination with his experience would tip the scales in his favor, though she would last longer than i originally thought she would.
Toto Tpyobo Sorry it took this long but research takes time and all. If you have questions, feel free to post them, i will try to answer them as good as possible.
Toto Tpyobo Currently at chapter 529 and i don't see her getting new stuff.
Even then, i have at least a few more weapons for Archer that i haven't listed yet.
Sorry, but i think this battle is over :-) 👍
+Toto Tpyobo Nice to see new ideas, so let's continue where we left off.
Hrunting:
Erza was not once seen using telekinesis for anything other than using it on her own weapons to shoot them at enemies. And while i attribute her that she can react faster than most, Mach 10 is out of the question for me. That's 3 times faster than the best guns today can shoot a bullet. 12348 Km/h, more than 3 kilometers in a second. Sorry, not going to happen that she can use telekinesis on that one. Mirajane with Halhalpas may be able to react to it, but Erza definitly not. Also, quote: "it will continue to pursue the target, even if is parried, repulsed, or avoided, for as long as the shooter keeps aiming at them." She can dodge or deflect it with all her 200 weapons if she want, it will still pursue her as long as Archer keeps aiming, which he is capable of to a distance of 4 kilometers.
Rho Aias: I am not too sure, but she might actually pull this one off.
Nakagami Armor-Counter: The armor is definitly strong, however, it still won't be enough. Gae Dearg is neary perfectly the same what Erza has as a halberd with the Nakagami-Armor. Both cut/pierce through anything related to magic as if it weren't even there and dispell it.
I don't know what happens when two magic-dispelling-spells hit each other in Fairy Tail, but i'd say they both cancel each other out as they is no way to tell which one's cancel would be stronger.
For the Nakagami-Armor to overcome Durandal i can't give a answer. The extend to which the miracles of Durendal are capable off is completly unknown. The Nakagami-Armour would surly dispell it if it hits Durandal before a miracle is used, afterwards i am not too sure.
Again, i don't know the extend of Erza's Telekinesis. I only know of the scene where she uses magic the first time (a few dozen tools), the time she destroys Laxus thunder palace (200+ swords if i remember correctly) and when she uses Heaven's Weel-Armor (about 60 swords i'd say) that she really uses telekinesis. I attribute Erza much, maybe even the extend to hold up 1000 or more weapons, but Archer literally has a whole WORLD of weapons to throw at her. What do 100, 1000 or even 10'000 mean against a uncountable amout that would literally crush her.
I have a question though. Where was the Nakagami-Armour shown to change the rules of magic itself? I only remember it used against Minerva and not once after that. Not even in the current Alvarez-Arc.
Now something for you to counter. Actually, two weapons.
Gae Bolg and Rule Breaker.
Gae Bolg is a spear that when thrown has enough power to pierce through all seven layers of Rho Aias. It is however it's first ability that makes it extremly deadly. Quote: "Once Gáe Bolg's name has been called, the cursed spear reverses the nature of causality, the meaning of "cause and effect" in the order of things, to make it so the cause of the "lance being thrust" comes from the effect of the "opponent's heart being pierced" by it. It determines the opponent's fate simply through its use, an always fatal move that pierces the heart with one thrust. The actual action of the thrust is merely a formality, as the lance has already pierced the opponent's heart before the attack has even started. The "result" of "the heart of the opponent has been pierced" is created earlier than it is thrust, while the "cause" that "the lance has pierced through the heart" is generated later."
I stop here, but it goes further into detail. However, the only thing to add is this really for now: "The only way to effectively defend against the attack is to have a high enough degree of luck or divine protection as to be able to alter fate, which would be heightened by also having good reflexive instincts, an auto-resurrection ability, a shield that overwhelms the magical energy of the lance, or trying to move out of it's range before it can be activated."
I am pretty sure that Erza has no counter to this one.
But there is also Rule Breaker (more as a question really). Rule Breaker is a dagger that severs any and all magical contracts. So my question would be if it would release Erza's Requip or not.
Thanks for your answer, i can't wait for more 😆
What's really sad is that nobody in popular media seem to properly get the lore of nasuverse.
Oh God the Erza lovers here...There is just no way in which Erza would have won. Nine Lives would have killed (Several times), Caladbolg the same, and Gae Bolg is a stab in the heart that LITERALLY CAN'T MISS. And Archer has hundreds (If not thousands) of years of battle experience. And Erza? Barely a decade or so. How the heck would she survive that? Accept it, she can't win.
Plot Armor saves Erza once again and she's not even in her damn show.
Archer wins no offense Erza.
I wonder how you figured she'd win? Yes, within the world of fairy tail, Erza is a beast, but realistically anyone short of maybe Gildarts would be easily beaten by even the weakest of Heroic spirits just through there physical abilities alone. Normal humans, even those from the fairy tail verse can't compare.
They simply like Erza more. According to them in the comment section somewhere
I dont think archer even needs ubw to kill erza tbh, he literally took 6 lives of hercules without ubw using only 3 pairs of bakuya of kanshou hercules is literally a demi god, he can summon up to 29pairs if i remember, he can project caliburn, he matched gils gate of babylon without ubw, dude is literally fast enough to fight lancer using his eye of the mind ability that is literally clairvoyance, he almost killed caster with a missed broken phatasm, he doesnt just have a lot of swords, he has infinte amount of them, where it is “ ready and waiting “ in ubw so yeah, i dont really think erza can win
Erza didn't nearly have enough sword in stock
You make Archer create the Soul Edge and lose the fight?? nonono bad idea
Whoever did this was drunk!?
No they we're insane.
Archer would have won this fight.
1. Erza doesn't posses an unlimited amount of swords/weapons.
2. Her armors are easily destroyed except for her Nakagami/Red pants armor the rest are easily destroyer-able.
3. His shield would be able to block any of Erza attacks.
4. His strengthening magic would allow him to break any of Erza's weapons.
5. He is way more skilled than Erza.
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+Wow Jedi I don't enough about Zoro to actually know how the battle should play out. But hey why not.
He also has pretty limited mana reserves depending on the situation.
Wait listen to me my friend, Erza has more than 1000 armor and more than 2000 kind of sword
And her Nakagami armor can break any magic he has
You assume he'd even give her the chance to use it - Shirou didn't let Gilgamesh use Ea, so why would Archer let her use that? Plus, did you forget that Archer can copy *any weapon he sees*, so he could potentially copy that as well?
Jajajajaj i saw kiritos sword at 3:03
Poor kirito he just fougth archer and now he is dead...
The animation: Erza wins
Literally everyone in the comments: (You already know)
That outcome was just destroyed by everyone bruh
The way they spelled Archer... -star treck facepalm-
Also the sheer notion that anyone would be able to outspam Archer while INSIDE Unlimited Blade Works where he is able to match Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon's spam of legendary treasures, is as ludicrous as it gets.
And if you see page 14 of chapter 43 of Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya Drei, you can see how Shirou Emiya (who is Archer) using Unlimited Blade Works is able to use EVERY SINGLE WEAPON COUNTER GUARDIAN EMIYA HAS EVER SEEN IN HIS EXISTENCE AS A COUNTER GUARDIAN!
We are talking about thousands of legendary weapons and probably millions of nameless swords.
And between ALL of those weapons is BOTH Excalibur AND Gáe Bolg a cursed lance able to 100% pierce the opponent's heart, the only way to even avoid this is SHEER LUCK/Ability to defy Fate and even then they would be greatly injured.
The only way for Erza to defeat Archer is not by trying to spam him but to use something as powerful as EA the sword thats not a sword that split heaven and earth and the only weapon Counter Guardian Emiya cannot copy.
Anyone forgetting oath under snow and infinite sword spam to block EA
This is amazing! Im gonna show this to all my friends!
This is some serious no bueno fanfic writing brought to life in animation, holy shit lol! Aniamation is great by the way but still haha
I love the dislikes. Archer ftw
really? Erza won?
Because she's Erza
ya I watched fairy tail and i love it but EMIYA is way better.
+railfan845 To be fair Archer MISSED. This guy can headshot you when he's standing across half the city and still shoot you like your only a few meters away from him
railfan845 LOL
LunarCrown Erza is defeat less she has so many swords and armors she has more than 100 armors and 200 swords
I call bullshit on this. The whole point of Unlimited Blade works is that it allows Archer to control every sword he has at the same time. Since that number is so fucking huge it might as well be unlimited and keeps growing with every nwe sword he sees, beating him at Sword Spamming is quite literaly IMPOSSIBLE.
I laughed so hard at the ending lmao. It was a good fight and would be a good fight. Erza has more up close and personal advantage while Archer is obviously has more long range attacks and experience. Without UBW I think Erza would win, but there first mistake was thinking that archer had to say the whole chant. All he has to say is "I am the bone of my sword." And that's the match right there. Wanna know why? If you actually READ the visual novel, Archer has Infinite blades, he's Gilgamesh in his world. Erza at maximum can make 100 blades. The fact that she beat him in UBW is laughable. Her best shot is not letting him use it at all and pressure him, then I'm positive she'd win. There were also so many instances where she would have been one shot. The arrow that she deflected and it hit her from behind, it was mean't to peirce the body, And a huge no no was Calabolg, that would one shot erza unless she used adamantine armour.
actually he's not that bad at close range fighting. Hell if he wanted to he just has to trace one of Erza's swords and he now knows exactly how to fight like her. Aside from Erza he has traced every weapon in UBW which just means he know how to fight with every sword and knows every fighting style in UBW he can use Gae Bolg he can do the swallow reversal and nine lives blade works being some of the notable ones
Archer is a master of self-reinforcement, he can strengthen his own body to the point where he's able to keep up with Saber in Physical strength, though his close range technique is a bit flawed since he improvises most of the time, but he'd beat Erza by a mile.
At close range, Archer fought Cu and survived. Cu was twice as fast and stronger than Archer ever could be and he still couldn't kill Archer. I don't think Archer is any worse at close range as he is at long range.
i had to stop watching when i saw you compare erza’s spear to gae bolg. like wtf were you thinking?
thing that was forgoten is that Archer is a servant not a human so he is supersonic in term of speed and so will always be faster than Erza, adding to this that he actually can recreate legendary weaponry that would tear through any of Ezra's armours if you know enough about him. he can even recreate Gae Bolg that would freaking one shot Erza. let's get real Erza would be crushed by any servant in Fate, that's a fact in the Nasuverse humans just can't win against Servants, don't bring Shirou vs Gilgamesh it is a very special case , if the fight had went on Gilgamesh would have killed Shirou.
Not really - we've had this argument before; she's shown no such signs of being "hypersonic" (that's closer to what Lancer in F/SN and Racer in FT are). At best, Erza can be said to match Archer's speed, but she doesn't surpass it. Also, again, considering Archer copies any weapon he sees, he'd be the one countering any of her weapons - because her stock is limited, can't be regenerated and is generally not on the same level as Noble Phantasms. FT humans are just as much fodder - their mages are to them what Servants are to humans.
The fact of the matter is that this is a gross misstatement; Erza couldn't beat "most, if not all of the Servants" anymore than any one Servant could beat most, if not all of the mages in FT; they'd be more apt to equal each-other out than dominate either way.
+Toto Tpyobo - But that speed is not only mistakenly classed, but something Servants either equal or best with ease.
Example; Lancer’s thrown Gae Bolg traveled at Mach 2 (1,534.54 MPH), but Archer reacted quick enough to block it with Rho Aius. A single bullet travels at 768 MPH, which only just barely breaks Mach 1 (767.269 MPH), meaning that Archer’s reaction time was fast enough to block an attack that was more than *twice as fast* as a bullet - on top of said attack being many times more powerful than Bisca’s shots were.
Contrast this to Archer’s fastest arrow, Hurnting; a weapon that travels at *Mach 10* ( 7,672.69 MPH - which is over *ten times faster than a speeding bullet* ) - or in other words, Erza being fast enough to deflect a bullet wouldn’t be enough for that kind of weapon.
typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Hrunting
Long story short; no, Erza’s blocking those bullets are not “hypersonic”; even most Servants don’t have reflexes that are “hypersonic.” Hypersonic refers to speeds at or above *Mach 5* - what Erza did barely even broke Mach 1. If anything, “Hypersonic” in this matchup is closer to something Archer is capable of since, again, Hurnting’s a Mach 10 attack (which is double the threshold of Hypersonic).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_speed
And no, I meant normal *humans* - people armed with knives, blades or other forms of weapons. Hell, many of the Rune Knights seem to be just a normal standing army in armor and with conventional weapons. These people can be a threat to a normal mage if they gang up on them, or if they have some form of equipment that evens the odds.
+Toto Tpyobo - (1) - But we’ve had this discussion before, too; not only was (A) that meteor *not* moving anywhere near that fast due to Irene manually guiding it’s path against the planet’s gravity so that it wouldn’t accidentally crush her, too, but (B) Erza’s body was reinforced by Irene’s own high-level enchantments courtesy of Wendy. To make a long story short, that event doesn’t reflect Erza’s own abilities, nor was it a speeding meteor in freefall moving at normal speed, so it’s invalid on both counts… which, again, is something I’ve pointed out repeatedly that you keep ignoring.
(2) - You’re assuming Acnologia’s taking Jellal as a serious threat… which, honestly speaking, he’s not. He’s not even moving at his full speed in that fight, just like Lancer wasn’t going all out on Archer the first time around - he’s just toying with Jellal out of boredom. As far as Acnologia’s concerned, he’s got no reason to take him seriously like he did a dragon or even a dragon-slayer, so he’s not moving with the same speed - ergo, it’s another invalid argument.
(3) Same as above in point 1; the meteor *wasn’t* moving that fast, because Irene was manually guiding it as opposed to it being pulled down by gravity; if it had been moving at that speed in freefall, Irene wouldn’t have been able to target anything with any accuracy, let alone hit them. Hell, the fact that *all of the weaker mages* could look up and see it well before it hit in and of itself kinda proves it wasn’t moving anywhere near that fast, doesn’t it? Add to that the fact that, again, Erza had Irene’s own reinforcement magic cast on her by Wendy, and the aforementioned bullets *are* her greatest speed feat so far, because those were done under her own power as opposed to under a high-level enhancement. To make a long story short, it’s not that I’ve misunderstood anything - it’s that it feels like you’re actively ignoring arguments I’ve made repeatedly.
(4) Actually, bullet deflection isn’t “a casual feat for literally pretty much every ft character”; Lucy couldn't do it; Juvia couldn't do it, Carla couldn’t do it, Wendy couldn’t do it, Mirajane couldn’t do it - and those are off the top of my head. In reality, very few of FT’s characters can deflect bullets - many can *dodge* them or are tough enough to *block or tank* them, but few can actually *deflect* them, and most of those few tend to need the kind of precision that comes with swordsmanship.
(5) And yet the Rune Knights are *feared by most mages,* barring the strongest ones like those that make up the main FT cast. They’re only fodder as far as Team Natsu or S-Rank mages go - for most everyone else, between their numbers and their weapons, they’re seen as a legitimate force/threat. Same with gangs of normal humans serving as criminals or fodder - they can down a mage if they come at them all at once or have the right gear. Or to make a long story short, the case of a mage mage going down to a normal human(s) isn't any less impossible than a Servant going down to a comparatively-weaker human mage.
Amazing! More please!
The moment erza stepped into ubw is where she should've lost
Or ya know
Gae bolg
Excalibur
Rho aias
A portion of gils strongest weapons?
Lol erza wouldn't be able to lay a hand on archer do your home work
1:42
Erza should have died here, Caladbolg ignores durability by twisting space, tanking it is impossible without some kind of a conceptual defense
2:11
Archer could have won here too if he used Nine Lives
Also, why does he keep Tracing Swords in UBW instead of pulling them from the ground? That is UBW's biggest advantage when it comes to spamming
You forgot to to copy all erza arsenal and knowing her fighting style with the weapon😉
nice vid man its pretty good animating
It's rainin' swords! Hallelujah! It's rainin' swords!
in a true fight emiya's blades are stronger. LOL!
Archer will win becz there is no friendship power for Erza.
Can someone tell me the name of the song around minute 1:40, please?
Ah I remember these videos and the debates that people had
This non-sense battle ._.
Awesome work, bro. I hope this gets big and brings more people to your channel, you put a lot of detail and small nuances in there that I really appreciate. And the fact that you made it from the ground up while maintaining the character's personality is great.
Archer can litrally solo the entire FT guild, and guardian Emiya and solo the FT universe, wtf is this shit?
Great animation!
wow, you should make videos like this! It's very cool, thanks!
Dislike for the only reason that archer would not lose to erza, much less inside unlimited blade works, the only reason why archer dies in UBW is for plot reason kind of like itachi in naruto, they are just op, that they have to kill them, and if you put erza vs gilgamesh she would lose too xD just take a look at his most powerful weapon, xD everything else was pure jizz, ok hold on let me change to a like my dislike because i love how someone took their time for this anime battle, and yes i am gar for archer also, but the logical thing would be that he would not lose against someone that uses weapons inside unlimited blade works...
Archer lost in UBW because the battle was not just physical, but internal as well. He needed to understand the truth, and he couldn't find it by simply killing Shirou
ok ill give you that. but erza is not shirou, so archer would fuck up erza. easily.
Nallel Zuniga No no, I'm aware that he would have shredded Erza. I was just clarifying that the Naruto comparison wasn't accurate lol
O yeah.. i got your point xDDDD dont worry.
And that'e even if Gilgamesh isn't taking it seriously.. in which, he rarely fights seriously
Archer’s minds eye which will allow him to read her moves from fighting with her and let him see a little bit into the future of what she’s doing
I've never seen either of the shows these characters are from, but I will say that it's really interesting to see the things he criticizes in the tutorials actually animated correctly here. You can tell he's still learning, but all the important stuff is here. He knows how to animate and is only going to get better.
Late reply, but thanks for the comment! It's certainly been a long time since this animation, and I can definitely think of a few things I would have done differently, but I'm gonna keep at it and find some time to animate again. -A.B.I.
I would like to see a JoJo's Bizzare Adventure character fight in Anime Battle Coliseum
Video was good, outcome was horrible. Archer would have won. It's called unlimited blade works for a reason.
jus imagine the video ended at 3:11 and cut the rest
Forgive my ignorance, where are these characters from?
Lol pls no. I am salty cause facts were not portrayed here properly, only favoritism. This one element will decide why Archer wins no contest. [Spoilers}
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You see that. If Shirou can do this, no reason Archer can't. The fact Archer rarely uses this move at all implies how tedious the fight to him could become. No amount of swords Erza possesses can hold against this one move. She is literally fighting the concept of Unlimited.
Toto Tpyobo erm what? Archer could kill Erza in seconds during UBW, the amount of conceptual bullshit he could spam is enough that he could kill her ten times over.
Toto Tpyobo Umm no. Archer literally has thousands of unique weapons, most of which are Noble Phantasms, in UBW. His weapons are stronger-cheaper, and much more numerous. He's faster, more skilled in combat and generally more intelligent, can trace Erza's weapons, and can deliver his weapons at a much higher range. So yeah, Archer takes this.
You really want erza to win don't you? His blade spam is far more advanced than Erza's and he can summon them in much larger quantities. Assuming he has a very good supply of prana, he can also trace haxed Noble Phantasms like Gae Bolg that will let him pierce her heart and end the fight right there.
Toto Tpyobo
the point is Archer fires Noble Phantasms
Erza fires nameless swords
Also Erza isn't taking Gae Bolg, NLBW or Caladabolg.
Archer weapons do break in a single hit yes, when hit by servants.
Servants=/=Erza
Only Erzas most powerful weapons do things like that, and the answer to that is called Rho Aias.
Toto Tpyobo And this proves you've seen the UBW anime at most.
Erzas swords aren't equal with Noble Phantasms at all. Period. They don't have reality warping effects, durability ignoring effects, regen no selling etc
You honestly think a wizard saint is on par with a Servant? No. Servants are FAR faster, more HAX. Hell, Lancer (FSN) could potentially solo Team Natsu with Gae Bolg spam
Weaker opponents than Herakles?
Ok, The Servant who can level mountains with a single blow is weak. Ok.
No, Herakles didn't take any of those attacks with his own durability.
Rho Aias and Gae Bolg was a battle of concepts, learn Fate.
Excalibur is Anti-Fortress.
Excalibur can mountain bust
Rho Aias is 7 fortress layers
Thus Rho Aias has mountain level durability 7 times over.
There are plenty of Servants who can solo the FT verse like Gilgamesh, Enkidu etc
GG I win
bullshit u_u Erza cant win against Archer, in the 1st place Archer is 10 times stronger than her and has A LOT of tricks up his sleeve, this was the result of the lack of information.
I'm as gar for Archer as any other dude, but I also address that Archer has known limits. Archer lost to both Gilgamesh and Shirou for similar reasons he would lose to Erza. Archer's UBW gives him unlimited weapons, but he himself admits that they are imitations and fakes, and never stronger than the real deal. Erza's armory, much like Gil's Gates of Babylon, consist of real magic items such that any single one of them could trounce Archer's fakes. Additionally, Archer is a cynic who doesn't even take pride in his own skills; Erza, much like Emiya, is an optimist, and is confident in her ability to face any foe without fear. This isn't Death Battle, so I'm not measuring power levels here, but I decided Erza would win because it fits the characters and the narrative better for this fight. I'll talk about it more detail in an editorial. -A.B.I.
SugarPunch Design Works
1st Archer would not lose to Gilgamesh, if Shirou could defeat Gil, Archer can also do the same u_u
2nd Archer lost to Shirou in an fight of ideals, if not for that he would trash Shirou not even mentioning that Archer was fighting Shirou with less than a tenth of his original power.
Its not only because of the UBW that Archer would win against Erza and even more inside UBW Archer´s abilities increase specially his tracing ratio, it is the same as Gilgamesh, while Erza has to create or draw out her weapons, Archer weapons are already out therefore he is faster than her, Erza cant possibly be faster than Archer inside UBW.
Even when Archer doesnt have pride as a hero he does have pride in his own fighting skills because those are the skills he obtained with so much effort while alive. Archer strenght comes from how versatile he is in a fight, he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve. As far as i know Erza fights taking honor and that stuff in consideration while Archer could not care less about such a things. I dont know how much do you know about Archer´s character and his abilities but he cant possibly lose against Erza u_u
Where we come from, we fight with our art not with our words. If you are so adamant that we are wrong, then I highly encourage you to draw and animate a 5 minute video where Archer wins. Then there'll be another cool fight sequence on youtube to watch and everyone benefits from that.
kura lee
if you are going to animate a VS you should do it right, i am not complaining at the animation because it was ok, i am complaining at the result since Archer would not lose to Erza but if you or they only want to animate a fight where your fav female character wins because of bullshit then it is ok
Wanna know a secret? Neither of us watch Fairy Tail. We knew more about Archer than we did about Erza and decided she should win because it makes for a better cinematic experience. (also because Archer has a bad track record of losing to everyone he fights, Berzerker, Gilgamesh, Shirou, to name a few)
Also Juvia is my favorite, not Erza :P
I'm a lurker of this channel (that always likes your stuff). Trying to share some of your videos to help you guys grow but its always so obscure that I dunno if other people I know will enjoy them as much as I do lol. At least this one is mainstream so I can actually share them. FeelsGoodMan
"Mainstream" by that you mean SugerPunch's most viewed/commented on video
I don't think you should share this at all. Archer can easily solo her and this guy is just biased. I don't feel like explaining since all the comments are years ago and all hate on it for the right reasons.
Archer has a higher chance of winning considering within Unlimited Blade Works are Noble Phantasms that can be used just as well as their original counterparts not to mention that Rho Aias is a pretty strong defensive barrier that should’ve been able to at least hold off her attacks longer. And Nine Lives should’ve done more damage considering it can kill servants like Heracles. Also where’s Archer’s signature Calad Bolg II that he fires
archer win please
ludrious speed 12 i have been reading a lot of comments of people saying archer would lose but this entire fight archer could have traced excalibur and just killed her with 1 wave of the sword im not a fan of either anime but in a fight between human and guardian archer would win, i also saw a comment of someone saying archer wasnt capable of being on gilgamesh's level which is funny because archer is the natural counter for gilgamesh, but anyhow put your mind at ease as archer can't even really die as he can come back by trading an afterlife just like stay night states archer is almost the embodiment of creation and destruction while ezra got her ass handed to her to the blue haired fuck whom was weak as hell
This video was just based on favorite character wins and not by actual facts
Erza ganhou?? isso é uma piada ? :v kkkkkkk
David Gomes de Santana espero que sim
liked it, aside from the ending
(seriously, how do you outspam Unlimited Blade Works?)
by using Erza's bs logic "has to win every battle even if it's impossible"
Me:Archer u want pizza
Archer:I am the bone of my sword
Steel is my body and fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades
Unknown to death
Nor known to life
Have withstood pain to create many weapons
Yet those hands will never hold anything
So,as I pray-
Unlimited blade works
Me:Okay no Pizza for u
Sprite-esque, but traditionally animated in side-scrolling fashion. ....huh.
I'm interested in future installments of this Anime Battle Coliseum; seems cool.
Never got into Fate, but I'm a fan of Erza.
Dat Soul Edge cameo.
This is not a request, but it's a question about your definitions of "anime" in this instance: would you consider Avatar or RWBY being eligible for this series?
While it's a bit misleading, the "anime" in Anime Battle Coliseum really means that we can take any source, and translate it into an "anime battle". Our next matchup comes from two sources that aren't anime at all!
As for RWBY and Avatar, RWBY is definitely fair game. I actually have not watched Avatar/Korra... which is strange, because oriental fantasy is like one of my favorite things! -A.B.I.
What good does that do if you're not even faithful to the sources you take from, though?
Smith Baran
By "faithful[ness]," do you mean powerlevel representation?
I've seen your comments and you've done an amazing job with your research, and I reckon you could even write a full-blown Death Battle episode with all the details you've dug up! If you haven't seen it yet, I have a commentary video that briefly explains how I went about creating this battle:
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The first thing I'd like to stress is that this is not Death Battle, and that matchups in Anime Battle Coliseum are not about a clash of facts. It's not about who is a stronger or better character, but instead about creating an exciting narrative through combat. I don't mean to imply that Archer is a weak character; far from it, in fact I'm a bigger fan of Archer than I am of Erza given that we've done at least two UBW parodies in our reviews.
My aim was to choreograph this fight as a clash of ideals; the jaded realist vs the ironclad optimist. I understand that Archer has lived longer, faced more battles and had more than a lifetime to perfect his magecraft, but I also feel that in his lifetime that Archer is defined more by his losses than by his victories. In fact, between the Fate path and the UBW path, Archer actually has more losses than wins. He does indeed have limits, though it takes someone like Gilgamesh to truly test them. Archer is indeed powerful, one of the most powerful Servants in the entire saga, but he has no potential for growth because he has designated himself as nothing more than a tool or a weapon, hence the 'fake' nature of his Noble Phantasm. Though he can expand his arsenal with more traced weapons, Archer cannot truly grow in power because there is nothing for him to overcome.
Erza on the other hand is much younger, but she's a prodigy of immense talent, an S-class wizard with many battles under her belt. She is not unknown to pain and loss, but unlike Archer who has discarded his resolve as a means of dulling the pain of loss, Erza is instead emboldened, and strives to overcome herself. She has friends for whom she fights to protect, and through the worst of times it's always Erza's steely resolve that pulls her through many tough battles. This is even illustrated when Erza fights Erza Nightwalker, who is basically Erza with Archer's cynicism. Each time stronger enemies appear to threaten her guild and her friends, Erza always rises to the challenge, becoming stronger and stronger because of her drive to protect.
With this in mind, I chose for the narrative to favor Erza in spite of Archer's overwhelming power. I recognize that Archer has many advantages over Erza, but defeating unbeatable odds is simply something that Erza does. I feel it's a disservice to Archer to write him off as an unbeatable badass without recognizing his human faults, so I wanted to illustrate that in a battle of resolves (which is literal in Archer's case given how Reality Marbles are formed). Admittedly, if I had maybe one extra week to plan for this fight I would have ended the fight with Erza's Nakagami Armor so she can use its magic-canceling/space ripping ability to fight her way out of Unlimited Blade Works (if we're going by Nasuverse logic, Shiki Tohno can "kill" a Reality Marble with Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, so Erza's magic-killing Nakagami Armor should be able to as well), but I had my mind set on Heaven's Wheel as the showstopper in my storyboards and I didn't have time to rework that.
To summarize, it's not that I'm trying to illustrate that Archer is weaker than Erza, it's that Erza's unyielding optimism overcoming Archer's jaded cynicism makes for a better story.
I'm sorry I've been hesitating to reply to your posts. Admittedly the magnitude of your factchecking is a bit overwhelming! Hopefully this explains the decisions I've made and clears up any confusion!
- A.B.I.
Hitorio Not quite - more like it was a vast misbalance of skill-utilization in addition to that.
Awesome animation! I'll have to look up Erza but yeah definitely looking forward to more!
One minor suggestion, maybe add subtitles?
Most of the spoken dialogue is just taunts, but I'll consider that next
time I have japanese voiceover tracks! Thanks for watching! -A.B.I.
+SugarPunch Design Works ofcours you were right, you made this video very good but, i think to beat Acher, she didn't need to use many kind of armor like that, the Japanese armor is all
Um... no. If anything, that wouldn't be enough on it's own at all. Almost nothing that relies on the use of a bladed weapon like that is going to be enough on it's own against Archer - not unless it's a weapon you dedicated your whole life to like Saber did to Excalibur.
***** Actually, he can't replicate Excalibur - too powerful a weapon. He'd die if he tried to replicate it.
he can. it isn't as powerful tho
So its the best part of Death Battle, but with anime characters...
I'm absolutely fine with that, can't wait for more
He can call out the bodes faster though since he is UBW
cool fight, i really enjoyed it. as much as i like erza though, i'm pretty sure archer would have been able to beat her without breaking a sweat. ^^'
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY HATERS?!?!
It’s great animation! This is some ones brain baby ! Let’s not put them down or become divided by which anime we like better!
That’s just sad 😢! We should be united in understanding of each other!
Animation is great but the outcome is bad
... the point of unlimited blade works is that it’s it’s own reality. The weapons generated are used to be a direct counter to whatever the opponent uses. None of erza’s weapons are as strong as a noble phantasm which is the only way a copy in UBW can lose. I like Ezra and she really is a badass but I can’t see a situation erza can throw at archer that he can’t throw right back. The entire premise of his power is to make weapons as close as possible to what’s thrown at him as a counter but in this case every single copy would be stronger then erza’s weapons. Take rho aias or however it’s spelled as an example. It’s a copied noble phantasm that stopped the original gae bolg. An anti army attack when thrown. So all in all not a bad match up but I really can’t see a way archer would lose after using UBW. If he didn’t use it then maybe. But still it would be closer then that
this video seriously lack research. it's clear to see that archer can pawn erza anytime.
Dislike cause' Archer lost.
rofl this is the dulbest shit i saw all week.
First and THIS WAS AWSOME.
im satisfied with this
From the creator himself: I like to emphasize though that intend anime battle coliseum to be just like death battle. There's no comparing weapons or powers, and it's not even necessarily about which character is stronger or better. The goal of anime battle coliseum is create exciting battles between two characters but also to keep the characters authentic as possible without being tied down by metrics.
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But therein lies the problem; "keep the characters *authentic as possible* without being tied down by metrics" - that's just not how the two turned out. Hell, by his own admission in a later comment, he chose Erza to win simply because he preferred her ideals to be the ones that triumphed as opposed to actual authenticity.
Simply put; this wasn't an authentic way to tell the story. It just came across like forcing the outcome he wanted, hence why so many people complained about it.
Cadalblog 2 didn't have any authentic power in here though.
I enjoyed the animated fight even if it was nonsense and ended wrong. Though I like the idea of the joke being that unlike him she’s never died which is why she wins. Cleary not the case but the thought amused me. I’d love to see this redone with a bit more focus on it being an exhibition spar instead of a fight to the death. A fight to the death has him just killing her with any number of anti-magic weapons at his disposal in an instant.
Laughs in zasshu who would cover the entire planet with NP spam
Shiro: people die if they are killed
Erza: I'm from Fairy Tail bitch
3:07 Is that Ame no Habakiri from Symphogear I see in the lower left?