The Gruesome Reality of Scalping in the Old West
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Who invented scalping? The Native Americans? Or did the Europeans introduce the atrocious behavior to the New World? The answer - like much of history - is complicated. In this latest installment of My Sixty Years, we join the young fur trapper William Hamilton as he, Old Bill Williams, and the others embark upon the Wind River Country where they make contact with both the Blackfeet and the Shoshone. Brutality and trade ensues. #wildwest #oldwestfacts #history
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Y'all don't know how many times I scrolled down because the title made my scalp hurt 😂 But here I am, first thing in the morning, listening to Josh 😂
Scalping. Because carrying around a bunch of heads is too cumbersome
That's a good t-shirt idea
@@WildWestExtravaganza add a sticker for ammo boxes to the scalping merch ideas…
I'm actually kinda surprised scalping wasn't more popular in different times in history
I got stickers
@@WildWestExtravaganza just ordered 3! Now get on some of those scalp ones for us dark souls and I’ll order more haha
Was 1953 , & i was in first grade @ an old elementry school back east . We had a time called show & , tell !! Kids brought in things from home to tell the whole class about their item !! Well one boy brought a paper bag , looked like he had soft ball in it ! At his turn , he pulled out a real shrunken head from south america !! The whole class was in shock , teacher told him to put it in the bag , and take it back home immediately !!! Class was dismissed for the rest of the day !!! Scalps were kept hidden in trunks as well in early times !! Just real facts from my boyhood past !!!
Wow
@@chrisnewport7826I take it you skipped English class that day and pretty much every other day after that? 🤭
Many years ago, my grandmother related that my great- great grandmother had been scalped as a young woman. She survived and wore a bonnet or scarf even inside for the rest of her life. My mother confirmed the story.
Wow. Where did it happen at?
One of my ancestors left Kentucky for Texas in the early 1830s , fought against Mexico and Samta Ana, was a friend of Jim Bowie and later took bounties for Apache scalps from the government of Chihuahua Mexico during their war with the Apache. He later returned to Kentucky after nearly dying from an Apache arrow in dry Mexican creek bed. We still own a collection of his artifacts and among them are six shriveled up scalps..
Using a scalp as a napkin??
“Can you pass me a scalpkin please sir?”
I like it
@@ElMarko6994 that would destroy the collection
Hair raisin stories you tell, young feller. Carry on!❤😮😊
Love, love this. Yet another rewrite of history, as I learned it in university at a time when Blame-America-First was just getting its legs, debunked. What I likely most admire about WWE is the willingness to stand your ground against established dogma, especially that of what today passes for Academia, and simply say, "Uh, we don't know that."
Moreover, I'd never before considered David's act against the Philistines scalping. But, shoot! Why not? Most men of fighting age think more often with their little head.
In the forward to Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy, one of the greatest western novels of all time he talks about how there was evidence of scalping in Ethiopia, thousands of years ago
My wife scalped me. She didn't even need a knife. After being in a relationship and married to her my hair began falling out with just her evil power to make me unattractive to other women.😂
Women will scalp you quicker than any warrior
I laughed wayyyy to hard at this comment 😂 lmao 🤣
😅😅😅
I almost spit some nice hot coffee all over my brand new OLED monitor... 🤣
It’s funny cause it’s true.
Yah !!! 😂 Now my wife is yelling it with me from the other room 😂
I love how early u upload these man!! Great thing to listen after a long stressful night of dealing with dipshits at work
I know how that goes
Do something to get it out of your head, cuz dipshits from work aren't thinking about it right now
I love your podcast. Great to listen to.
Thank you
Scalping because carrying around a bunch of heads is just uncivilized.
Did you really try to remix a year old comment? For likes?
@@FlarkusChunswenSure did, you’re welcome!
My grandma told me about an old woman in Oklahoma who had been scalped and survived it. Apparently she lived across the street from my grandma when my grandma was young.
Wow, crazy
Scalping itself wouldn't really risk death. No major arteries or vital organs at risk. Infection would probably take most out if they were only scalped.
Been looking forward to this..
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Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺👍🏼
Effing love the Extraavaaaganzaa
Thanks Stewart
Good evening
@@WildWestExtravaganza I understand that you can only do so much but it's all in the storytelling and the quirky ( Nah, I just made that up) scenario that gives me that laugh that I hope 5hat everyone listening appreciates.
Ride On My Good Man.
Bro...what an awesome topic. I think i know the answer, but I'm going to watch this through regardless. Thanks for the work Josh, as always good Sir
I appreciate that!
Im more of a shrunken heads Fan myself.
Would you ever consider doing some stories concerning Russian battles against natives in Alaska? The Russian colonists were made up in large part from natives from Siberia, if there Are any records of the almost certainly bloody interactjon between the Siberian and Alaskan natives that would be awesome
Yeah, I think that would be an interesting topic. Good suggestion.
I always wanted a shrunken head.
Seems like you get another 5 thousand subscribers every other week bro!!!! 71,000 hell yeah catching up on some i have missed i love these stories man and you just tell them so well Keeps me waiting week to week Josh you are doing a good job bro Please keep it up
Thanks man
Nothing is new under the sun
Just repackaged. 🤨😀
I guess being scalped would be better than being staked to the ground and getting a fire built on your crotch.
Hey Josh! Have you done an episode on the Harpe Brothers? If not will you please? Also wondering if you would consider doing an episode on the mountain Man rendezvous? I've heard you mention them both but an episode on each would be awesome! Keep up the great work, I'm always entertained thoroughly! 👍🤠👍
I agree, I think they could at least do a miniseries on the Harpe Brothers. They always do Billy the Kid, Bonnie and Clyde, how about something new?
"I dont want his pork-chop.
I want his beautiful hair to adorn my back-pack."
-pre kayak chant, Sonoran desert, AZ.
WOOOOOOOOH!
So, here's my thoughts. Leif Erikson settled in what he called Vinland (New Foundland estimated about 1021. & had skirmishes with the Skreelings (Natives). After many skirmishes the settlement was abandoned. Did Erik learn scalping from the Skreelings & take the practice back to Skandinavia? Or did the Skreelings learn it from Erik & his crew?
Apparently there are archeological digs showing proof of scalping hundreds of years prior to Leif
So maybe the Skandinavians learnt the practice from the natives?
I understand taking a scalp to prevent the defeated from being complete in the afterlife. But why would they prize somebody else's scalp enough to pay money, horses or squaws?
Possible I reckon
most likely saw bears scalp people and got the idea from there, many bear attacks stories ive heard they get scalped at the very least.
I just came back from the Cheyenne River reservation in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I was participating in Sundance. They tell a story that their ancestors learned scalping from the Vikings who came in through Canada. The Vikiings were doing their thing (pillaging and scalping) and the Lakota returned the favor and drove them back once they realized how fierce the Lakotas.could fight
I love your introductions to the video
Thanks!
Great show
I watched an overview of Blood Meridian, I'm pretty much an expert on this subject
Dammit Josh almost don't want to watch this one😂😂😂 almost LOL
You just caused alcohol abuse. When you said why were they scalping peckers instead of top knots I spit my Jim bean out
Ha
Pecker scalping is a little known outside the Pee-Pee tribe.
🐸up in Canada ive talked to a few natives they still to this day believe the blackfoot had demons and used magic.. lol.. some very cool old stories they told me.. awesome times.
I will hold my breathe until a John Wesley Hardin or Captain Bob Lee video is out. Literally the two most deadly outlaws of the Wild West and no one talks about them😔😔😔
I also do appreciate all of you other videos though. Doesn’t get much more ‘murican than the Wild West. 🇺🇸
I really hope to do a series on Hardin very soon
Anyone notice how most of the infamous outlaws had English surnames?
‘Pre contact’ development of bow and arrow from atl atl occurred comparatively simultaneously between Europe, Mideast, Africa and the Americas.
Well done. Another goot un
Thanks
I will now refer to circimcision as pecker scalping from now on lmao
Scalp hunters would refer to scalps as " certificates". There is evidence that the Chinese did as well.
Oh God, the horror if the pecker scalping was what caught on.....i mean, head scalping was horrible enough, but pecker scalping? Thats a whole other level.....
Man it's been hot as hell here in Brownsville Texas
I bet
I love the rolled R's
Thanks
Samuri head hunting culture made a come back in WW2.
Josh. Been a while buddy. We still listen.
Hey man
Where did the picture come from? Those Pawnee?
The photograph. It must be acted, posed. But I wonder, it looks so real. What's the story of the photograph?
I wish I knew
If I’m going to take a “souvenir” it’s going to be easy like a finger or eye, scalping is too savage.
😂😂😂
I'd rather find great grandpas scalping bag, then great great grandpas d**khead bag.😂
Think about the corolation between the Cheyenne dog warrior society and the Scandinavian wolf/bear berserker society of ancient western Europe.
Good Stuff
Appreciate it, Walter
It seems that scalping was almost like talking crap when winning a game, you win, you scalp, just like win, talk crap.
Well damn, being Mohawk I really hoped my people cornered the market on that lol
When I try to play it an error occurs
Hmmm, not sure why.
Boom shocka loka.
Makes me want to wear my motorcycle helmet😱
Any history on that photo?
Please do Emil Lewis holmdahl
I did not have "scalping peckers" on my WWEX bingo card.
When you find out that "American Indians" have Eurasian DNA then you understand how scalping got here..lol
Did they die after or before they were scalped means what killed them the scalping coming from the infection of the open wound🤔 just curious😊
Many people were scalped alive, some even survived
@@WildWestExtravaganza thx josh... amazing video☺️
Thank you
I’ve not listened to this yet but I am really hoping you mention Cormac McCarthy’s Blood Meridian.
Uh oh
@@WildWestExtravaganza well darn. Have you read it? It’s about Judge Holden. It is brutal.
Of course! I did an episode on it long ago...new one is in the works
Who is on the picture in the thumbnail? Real or staged?
No idea but it was staged
@@WildWestExtravaganza Thank you for the fast response and greetings from a fan of the old West in Northern Germany.
Hello Germany!
Too many commercials. Four commercial breaks in a 22 minute video is excessive.
Its almost like watching tv😂
Just the one picture? I thought this was supposed to be a video ...
Is it not working?
The Comanches believed scalping would mean you go into the afterlife forever scalped, kinda like in beetlejuice how all the dead people have their injuries still as ghosts.
That explains why John Wayne shoots out the dead Indian's eyes in "The Searchers", so he couldn't see where he was to enter the spirit world.
The popularity of scalping long before whites hit the continent is odd to me. I guess I can see how it spread through the continent. It just strikes me as such an odd thing to do. Having said that, the bow and arrow pretty much amazes me. It's been all over the world but when you think about it it's a very abstract process. But it's everywhere. And while I'm at it, I don't know how someone can invent the bicycle. Taking a look at it for the first time who would ever think this would work? I don't know I guess I'm just mystified by stupid stuff.
Washakie is pronounced "wash a key" , I moved to Worland, Wyoming a few years ago. Was corrected on pronunciation quickly.. Love your channel and content, but remember "Wash a key", not "Wash sock key", That pisses off the locals.
@14:23 I *really* want to know which 'Warm Water Springs' he's talking about (and where it was/is).
If anyone wants to help out. It would be very much appreciated.
I looked it up when I first read and there's a warm springs in the current Wind River reservation... That might be what he's speaking of
Humans have been using fur from animals for a long time.. Humans are most visous animal.
One more question Josh. Would an Indian even be interested in my scalp? I'm 55, bald AF and scrawny. What kind of trophy would that make?
Not to mention how would you grip it whilst you cut it off? 🤣
I don't know but maybe a scalp hunter. Salt it down real good and dry it...like pork skins
You would just grip the skin 😂 another awesome episode Josh!!! Thanks for all you do to get me through the work week!
@@WildWestExtravaganza😂😂😂
As a Latterday Saint (Mormon) we find a logical explanation in an account in the Book of Mormon where one Captain Moroni scalps a Lamanite (ancestors of native Americans.) I also enjoyed your video on Jim Bridget
Watch yer topknot.
Yep, you watch yourn
I apologize for any confusion my comment was deleted i made a mistake
It's all good!
Mexicans scalps were sold has Indian scalps because people couldn't tell the difference between the two
The French. It's a trapper thing.
It was probably the mongrels
yeeeaaaaah
The Spanish were experts.
That’s why they called them Savages?
It's one of the reasons Europeans are referred to as savage. Dumping sewage out of Windows is another🌠
@@andrewtanczyk4009 The other ways they killed people were why. Scalping is child's play.
@@andrewtanczyk4009 you want savages see the Spanish Inquisition, witch hunts etc
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Logically gruesome or the othern watch your top knot
Yep, watch yourn
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Everyone knows who started scalping 😒
The white settlers and.various armies in America taught Native Americans!
Taught them what? How to be civil?
Most people don't know where the American Indians came from
I’ll bite. Where’d they come from?
@@WildWestExtravaganza The white red and black tribes came from Scotland
@@bluesky6985 do these tribes have names?
@@WildWestExtravaganza The white Indians were the children of Israel. The Compendium of World History says the Red skin Indians may have been the Picts from Scotland what race they are they didn't say. They may be from Esau or modern day Russians. The black Indians came from Scotland. I have a black friend who says he is Blackfoot Indian and he says his family came from Scotland
@@WildWestExtravaganza The Compendium of World History is a PDF
tickets?
Receipts
I've.read. The. Scrotum was. Another. Prize. And. Breasts. For tobacco. Pouches ?
Lets be real bro its demonic
Huh?
@@WildWestExtravaganza the scalping part.
Old Bill Williams died in March 1849, at age 62 when he was ambushed and killed by Ute warriors
So Old Bill didn't believe in mercy for these BlackFeet warriors huh?
Well...what goes around comes around. And Old Bill ultimately got what he so eagarly gave.
And what he deserved.
* Now young chief you can "buy" a squaw>...gee. The racism of [some] of these mountain men was utterly
pernicious.
"Deserves got nothing to do with it" - William Munny. But yeah, you know the saying...live by the sword, die by the sword.
Are you taking into consideration that so called native Americans came across the Bering strait from Siberia
No
This is an excellent study of the origins of scalping in North America. James Axtell's work is well respected in academic communities. Long story short, he agrees that scalping was nothing new when Europeans showed up in North America. english.hku.hk/staff/kjohnson/PDF/engl56_kj_axtell_unkindestcut.pdf
Native Americans were mostly peaceful😮
Can you do a video on Ben Holladay? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Holladay