Anchoring in Deep Water with Short Scope

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @randymorris4716
    @randymorris4716 7 лет назад +2

    Great video. Much better than the "hey we bought a boat watch us clean it" videos that are so prevalent on RUclips. Anything that gives me the confidence that when I anchor my boat and go to sleep that I will be in the same place when I wake up is awesome.

  • @SailingUma
    @SailingUma 8 лет назад +19

    Great shots guys! Thanks for sharing your experience. We've had similar results with our Rocna 55# (Though our boat is a 36' and about 9ton) It's amazing how fast and hard they set, and never seem to budge after that.

  • @davidc6510
    @davidc6510 5 лет назад +2

    Excellent video and informative - seeing how the anchor behaves under loads is better than any text book!

  • @BetterthanitwasNetsailing
    @BetterthanitwasNetsailing 8 лет назад +8

    You can really hold your breath, Paul!!! Thanks for making this - very interesting. We too love the Rocna - but we've never had the chance to visit it at work.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад

      You are welcome Boukadoura! Yes we're lucky the water was so clear it let me find the anchor 50 ft down to film it. Glad you enjoyed the segment.

  • @deckert618
    @deckert618 8 лет назад +3

    I've been watching various sailing channels on YT for a few years now, just found yours, and it is my new favorite! Very informative, excellent production value, and beautiful scenery all wrapped in one.

  • @vjstudio3875
    @vjstudio3875 8 лет назад +5

    loved the spotted eagle ray passing by :)
    subscribed

  • @robertparnoff6424
    @robertparnoff6424 7 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the videos, good reminders of our cruising years there. Also I timed a free dive to 30 feet and back and was amazed it only took 30 seconds, one of my efforts to overcome fear.

  • @hebelson444
    @hebelson444 5 лет назад

    Fantastic underwater shots !

  • @brianhorner8349
    @brianhorner8349 8 лет назад +3

    You guys do such a great job at this stuff! Clear examples, excellent production and an obvious level of expertise combine to make the best cruising vids on the net. Thank you! Please keep them coming.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад

      We're putting up new RUclips vids regularly Brian. Glad you like 'em!

  • @maccliff2115
    @maccliff2115 Год назад

    I found this very interesting, informative, and entertaining. I was searching for how boats anchor in deep water, I guess they need that much chain otherwise the anchor just acts as a bobber dragging along.
    Great footage. Don’t know how you held your breath for so long.
    Very nice video.

  • @gitasailing4665
    @gitasailing4665 8 лет назад

    Ah! One of my favorite videos! So great to see a Rocna dig in! I use my #55 in sand at scorpion anchorage at Santa Cruz channel island. 3.5 scope in 40 feet - all chain (with stern anchor when the place starts to fill) thanks! We're on a 43 ft custom bob perry cutter.

  • @randalqueen5653
    @randalqueen5653 3 года назад

    From April, 2007 through Oct, 2010 - I circumnavigated most of S.E. Alaska on a 27 ft Albin Family Cruiser, of which I had added a hard top above the center cockpit and aft cabin, along with eisenglass sides. I anchored close to 500 anchorages at a 3:1 for the most part. I had 33 ft of chain and then my rode on a Rocna Anchor. Few things I loved more, than never dragging anchor - and being able to anchor in small coves and nooks. Whenever I was in doubt, I would clip a sentinel 10 lb anchor onto the rode and let it down 20 ft on a bridal system. That kept the rode and chain at a better angle than your curve. I even anchored right off Pt Adolphus in a rock bed. Knowing full well the rip tides that went through. More than one boat came by to ask if I really intended to stay there over night. I stayed for 3 nights and slept well. I never would have been able to use an all anchor rode. The deepest I anchored was 60 ft. Still on a 3:1. I did anchor a few times on a 5:1 near other boats and accounted for swing. I also never could figure out how to anchor deeper, which I was hoping to learn in this video. There were a few isolated coves up there that the minimal anchor depth was over 100 ft. and thus, I never got to explore those areas. When I anchored at 60 ft, I did so very close to a stream/waterfall, trying to keep off the shallow tidal flat that aligned that area, as it went from deep to a tide flat that went dry. When I awoke in the morning, I would see the boat was almost beached on the tidal flat, but not that bad. Had a keel slightly grounded while the rest of the boat was wet. The winds had almost offset that stream which kept me from really going hard onto the flats. I had to pull a little extra by hand that day, but laughed. Life was so good then. Yes, I pulled my anchor by hand over 500 times. Probably closer to 800, as often I would set the pick for lunch and go kayaking and explore, then come back and pull and move for a night anchorage.

  • @Josh-of-all-Trades
    @Josh-of-all-Trades 6 лет назад

    Really cool to see what is actually going on down there.

  • @gordonturner8544
    @gordonturner8544 7 лет назад

    Superb video. No catenary In a storm, but so useful in normal conditions

  • @robertlee8042
    @robertlee8042 4 года назад +1

    Well done. Really important.

  • @dehdeh55
    @dehdeh55 7 лет назад

    Nice job watching and filming anchor. You appear to be free diving, so you can hold your breath and exercise in deep water WAY better than I can.

  • @yousuxalot
    @yousuxalot 8 лет назад +1

    you guys really give alot of great info..thanks

  • @xxtwr1
    @xxtwr1 8 лет назад

    Wish I could hold my breath like that. All good information. We use 150' chain, 200' rode. Am nervous about anything less than 4/1, prefer at least 5/1 for a good nights sleep. Excellent video. And to cruisers, always snorkel the anchor when feasible.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад +1

      Agree 4:1 is normal minimum! On our first boat we had a similar rode - 145' 3/8 chain plus rope. Sufficient for most situations. Glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @RockwoodJoe
    @RockwoodJoe 8 лет назад +5

    I went all rode, chain made no difference at 45 knots. 100' of rope stretches nearly 10' for nice dampening and lighter weight for planing boat. Must agree the Rocna is impressive, except when rocks or objects clog the roll bar. Thanks for the vid!

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад

      You're welcome! I definitely agree for a planing boat you need to watch the weight... then you can get a bigger anchor :-) and still save weight...

    • @lvgeorge
      @lvgeorge 6 лет назад

      So your're saying, you need the weight regardless for proper anchoring?

  • @jeremyrainman
    @jeremyrainman 8 лет назад +1

    great video, I've always wanted to know what anchors looked like physically when dragging, good to see the rocna perform.

  • @jonathancandor4476
    @jonathancandor4476 2 года назад

    I just solo sailed my Pearson 323 for the first time today. I anchored with a little more scope then I was shown by the boats previous owner and wanted to freshen up My anchoring knowledge.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  2 года назад

      Hey congratulations, Jonathon! Glad the anchoring videos have been helpful.

  • @billhanna8838
    @billhanna8838 8 лет назад +37

    how the hell do u manage to dive like that ,10 points.well done.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад +13

      I love free diving! Been doing it for years... practice helps

    • @billhanna8838
      @billhanna8838 8 лет назад +2

      I'm down to 10 ft now , must have been that over zealous youth, Nice posts ,very well and clearly explained. Keep up the good work

    • @TempoDrift1480
      @TempoDrift1480 8 лет назад

      Distant Shores TV How deep could one go just like that? I assume it would depend on how long you can hold your breath but what is a reasonable max?

    • @eloyex
      @eloyex 6 лет назад +1

      wow ........ i would love to dive 25% of that !!!!!!! well done .!! like this clips ....

    • @FaddaWolf
      @FaddaWolf 5 лет назад +1

      you're actually good to freedive with such a huge mask and such small fins. You should probably look into freedive specific gear. WIll make your job easier, more comfortable and much more enjoyable. Just a low volume mask and a pair of proper freedive long fins MY Personal best was 87 feet. but i can do a day of back to back 60's reasonably comfortably.

  • @2kr990
    @2kr990 8 лет назад

    Nice video...easy to watch...good job...

  • @iveywin
    @iveywin 2 года назад

    This is a superb video, thank you. I also have a 73lb Rocna and a big fan! I wanted to ask how much chain you carry and whether you notice if the weight of the chain once in the chain locker, plus the weight of the anchor, improves the sailing characteristics of the vessel by keeping the bow from hobby horsing and ultimately a more comfortable sail in choppy seas. Thanks again!

  • @bill4nier
    @bill4nier 6 лет назад

    Great info and the video demonstrating how to set an anchor. Thanks for sharing! 😍⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵😊👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @knot4man
    @knot4man 5 лет назад +1

    I'm sorry if this is perceived as "thread drift" but anyone wanting to free-dive should be aware of shallow-water blackout. It's fatal, and caused by trying to increase diving depth or endurance by hyperventilating.

  • @OldSchoolDo
    @OldSchoolDo 8 лет назад +3

    excellent video . very well executed!
    i learned a lot .D

  • @virgilio822
    @virgilio822 6 лет назад

    Its a great advices fore any sailing people.

  • @SailBeforeSunset
    @SailBeforeSunset 8 лет назад

    This is great information.

  • @bhalse8132
    @bhalse8132 8 лет назад +1

    Very informative. Thank you.

  • @SK22000
    @SK22000 6 лет назад +1

    I learned a lot of this from the Navy but i wondered how it was done on a smaller scale. The smallest ship I was on was 609 ft.

  • @8MGA
    @8MGA 4 года назад

    Hi, thanks for all, i need to change for a new diesel marine engine on my old 40 feets camper Nicolson. What and where do you sugjest to do it ? Yanmar, Volvo... Around corsica...thanks, see you soon

  • @gs9976
    @gs9976 7 лет назад

    very wise of you to get a rocna - the only thing a cqr does well is drag without setting

  • @cybermiso1
    @cybermiso1 7 лет назад +1

    In this video 3 very important aspects are forgotten; 1.tides, 2. waves, change of wind direction for 180.

  • @bigbadbaby7640
    @bigbadbaby7640 3 года назад

    Very cool ❤️

  • @csranch2000
    @csranch2000 8 лет назад +1

    Great video! You said the Ronca is a 73lb anchor. What size boat is that recommended for and what size is your boat. I am looking at different anchors now for my 40' P/B, don't hate me, Hope to be cruising Bahamas in another year. Love your channel.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад

      Glad you liked the vids! Our boat is a 49 ft sailboat 35,000 lbs. Rocna have a good table recommending sizes here www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide Have fun in the Bahamas!

  • @CaptMarkSVAlcina
    @CaptMarkSVAlcina 8 лет назад +2

    Well I like what you did, and I came across your vlog from Gone with the Wynns. And I am now a Subscribed.

  • @8hng
    @8hng 3 года назад

    job well done.

  • @svbarryduckworth628
    @svbarryduckworth628 8 лет назад +9

    You have some impressive diving skills. How long did it take you to build up the ability to dive so deep and long without air?

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад +3

      I started free-diving when we first cruised the Bahamas back in '89...

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Год назад

      10 yrs

  • @russellcole3549
    @russellcole3549 7 лет назад

    Really cool video. I watched it twice, which I never do on RUclips. Wish I could hit 50 feet holding my breath, but I only get about 30, or maybe 40 of I am really working at it. But I'm old.
    Russ

  • @camtheman559
    @camtheman559 2 года назад

    Can you hold your bong hits as long as your breath? Nice video bro!

  • @bigbadbaby7640
    @bigbadbaby7640 3 года назад

    Very beautiful ☺️

  • @svalchemy
    @svalchemy 8 лет назад

    I think this and S/V Panope's excellent videos demonstrate how anchoring technique, not just anchor type, play such a huge role in anchoring success. I assume you are measuring the scope from the snubber at the WL and not from the bow.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад

      Actually we are measuring the scope from the bow...

    • @svalchemy
      @svalchemy 8 лет назад

      Hmm. The effective length of rode is from the attachment point on the anchor shank to the snubber or bridle, which I thought I saw you using, at the waterline. You throw in the height to the bow when you're snubbed off on the deck over the roller or through a chock...that's my understanding. Am I wrong?

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад +1

      Both chain and snubber are connected over our bow roller so I used that height. I have often thought it might be helpful to have a snubber point at the waterline...

    • @svalchemy
      @svalchemy 8 лет назад

      OH, ok...that explains your reasoning...thank you.. I am fortunate enough to have a 1/2 in. steel plate with two 1/4" holes at our waterline stem. The top hole takes the bobstay and the bottom is for the snubber. Consequently, while I can deploy a bridle from the bow bollards via the fairleads down to the WL, the snubber is never *not* at the waterline. Yes, I think it's a great thing to have: you can either loop the snubber with a Dyneema loop through the plate or pin it with a shackle, but it puts the "pivot" lower and as forward as you find convenient, which smooths out the yanking motion in rolly conditions. Really, it need be nothing more than a strongly backed U-bolt (SS, of course). Maybe your new boat can have this attribute.

  • @Chillwabbitt
    @Chillwabbitt 5 лет назад +1

    Hey Paul, just out of interest as a freediver(amateur and untrained), what is your longest breath hold? Do you pack air or like me just fight the need to breath until "it goes away". That Rocna sure does a great job.

  • @SeattleLifeguard
    @SeattleLifeguard 8 лет назад

    I've never seen it done, but I've always wondered what would happen if you had a chain rode and anchor, and to that anchor you attached another length of chain followed by a second anchor. I wonder if they'd both set and create an even better holding situation.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад

      I have tried this with our old CQR (which did need help :-) and a danforth. It did help I think but was very difficult to set and even more fuss to retrieve. See the in-depth article here...www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/tandem-anchoring.php
      We also occasionally do the Bahamian mooring (for which we filmed a how-two-video) which is perfect for areas where you know the tide will swing the boat around backwards on the anchor.

  • @roodlesprease7659
    @roodlesprease7659 8 лет назад

    nice color waters

  • @kirk9671
    @kirk9671 3 года назад

    How much chain do i need? I will have a cat and want to avoid weight I don't need. Does.scope.acbeived via nylon help.at all? Would 100 feet of chain and 300 feet of nylon be better than what chain u used in the video?

  • @SailingPauHana
    @SailingPauHana 4 года назад

    How often do you anchor in 40 feet of water in the Caribbean? Very informative video btw.

  • @WillN2Go1
    @WillN2Go1 3 года назад

    I wonder if in deep water like this an extra weight could be attached on the chain close to the anchor, say 10' up the chain to ensure that the last section of chain is flatter, and pulling the anchor (more) parallel to the bottom position for setting.
    I think if this added mass were the same as the anchor this would almost certainly happen. But this would be cumbersome (Unless instead of the 73 pound anchor a 40 pound anchor and a 40 pound weight were used, one to dig in and set the other to flatten the chain at the bottom (the extra mass would flatten the bottom end of the catenary).
    Either this is a very clever conjecture based on first principles, or there's 200 years of yellowing analysis of why this can't work.
    The way an anchor works has components. There has to be enough weight to sink the anchor to the sea floor, it has to dig into the bottom, and the weight of the chain makes it so the anchor is pulled parallel to the bottom to set.
    (But how important is the actual weight? In the video 200lbs of chain, 73lbs of anchor. Wouldn't 270lp anchor and a good Dyneema or Spectra line work better? If that 270lbs were just a ball, it wouldn't dig in and set, just drag... so how important is the weight?
    Modern anchor designs seem less about the weight (though of course that's always a factor) and more and more about the set. Does it matter if at dock you tie off to massive iron cleats or aluminum ones? In this case the critical factor is that the cleat is firmly bolted to the dock. That's like the set of the anchor. Somewhere between weight and set is the 'sweet spot' and sure maybe 200 lbs of chain is only useful in some situations but not most others.... in those other situations the extra mass is never a problem. Just thinking out loud. It's probably best that I learn how it's done and practice that before I try reinventing the anchor.

  • @olddog57
    @olddog57 3 года назад

    What kind of chain do you use?
    I think big heavy chain adds safety with shorter scope - meaning the 3:1 scope might work for 12 or 10 mm chain but could fail for 8 mm (I use 8 mm grade 70 chain with my 55lb Rocna)

  • @deerfootnz
    @deerfootnz Год назад

    In even deeper water you can go with even less scope. I recently had to anchor in 38m with 100m of chain. The forecast was good, but the engine couldn't drag the anchor....

  • @mathiaswagner6457
    @mathiaswagner6457 3 года назад

    Scope is not a good criteria for deciding how much chain to pay out. It really depends on the anchor depth. In very deep water, a scope of just 2:1 can be perfectly fine to weather even a massive storm!

  • @jwrappuhn71
    @jwrappuhn71 8 лет назад

    Good info ya'll, you should make more of them vids.

  • @dennismacdonald2003
    @dennismacdonald2003 7 лет назад

    Great videos tyvm

  • @ainsleytidd3625
    @ainsleytidd3625 7 лет назад +1

    you make reference to 3 to 1 and 4 to 1 to the novice can you explain what this means please

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  7 лет назад

      We did a video on that here ruclips.net/video/ROKs-RzFQaQ/видео.html
      Basically its the ratio of chain to water depth...

    • @ainsleytidd3625
      @ainsleytidd3625 7 лет назад

      many thanks

  • @10lauset
    @10lauset 3 года назад

    Cheers

  • @OceanMaverick
    @OceanMaverick 5 лет назад +1

    A bit misleading as wind waves, swell, surges will get the anchor quickly dragging.

  • @seanflanagan5674
    @seanflanagan5674 7 лет назад

    "The chain hangs in a curved shape called a CATEENIARY"? Surely you meant to say catenary (kăt′n-ĕr′ē, kə-tē′nə-rē - I believe that the second form is the way the Brits pronounce it), right? I cringe at such an error because, as comments from very skilled sailors attests, this vid is of excellent quality and great value.
    Cheers!

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  7 лет назад +1

      Please don't cringe :-) I am sure I said catenary not "cateniary"... I hope I am using the British pronunciation properly (due to my British heritage I suppose)

    • @seanflanagan5674
      @seanflanagan5674 7 лет назад

      Distant Shores TV
      Great! Since you pronounced it properly (although with a strong yet pleasing British accent), what I heard is moot (though almost never mute, as many folk wish), and can be attributed to my Uhmareicun ears without fear of contradiction.
      Ya'll have yerselves uh nice day!

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Год назад

      No worries.. Privacy will be respected as it was. Have a good summer.

  • @wmobrien55
    @wmobrien55 8 лет назад +1

    I wonder how much difference wave action would make??

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад

      I think the waves tugging only effect the anchor in shallower water, unless they are large swells since the length of rode absorbs the cyclic action of the seas.

  • @shannonmchugh3993
    @shannonmchugh3993 5 лет назад

    Can you please tell me the name of the curve? Im trying to look it up and cant find info

  • @SOLDOZER
    @SOLDOZER 3 года назад

    I can hardly hold my breath long enough to scrub the bottom of the boat for 10 seconds.

  • @rcdubbin0184
    @rcdubbin0184 Год назад

    Pressure release by nos blow blockage

  • @rcdubbin0184
    @rcdubbin0184 Год назад

    Where's all the AM frequently, though. ghz 🏴‍☠️

  • @Razorfish
    @Razorfish 8 лет назад

    Why not attach a 2nd anchor directly to the chain a short distance from the main anchor? Say 20-30 feet.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 лет назад

      This would add weight and hold the chain down... so it would function like a pellet - see Rocna's article here. I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble as you might have trouble retrieving the set up... how about a bigger anchor :-) ?kb.rocna.com/kb/Kellets_and_buoys

    • @Razorfish
      @Razorfish 8 лет назад +2

      Distant Shores TV
      Ah. Both would be pulled up at the same time. I didn't think of that. Thanks.

  • @CHRIS198490
    @CHRIS198490 6 лет назад

    why anchor is so important ?

  • @eloyex
    @eloyex 6 лет назад

    by the way , i have the same setup .. a macho-Man real heavy iron plow anchor and ...... the aluminum fortress ...
    the fortress , well I hate it !! so many failed anchorings ..! i have it only as a spare and becuase of the weight ,,,,,,,,,,,

  • @starburst12191
    @starburst12191 7 лет назад

    OK when i go underwater like 10-12 feet my head feels like its going to explode. HOW DOES HE DO THAT???

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  7 лет назад +2

      Please do not dive deep is it hurts AT ALL. You must equalize the pressure in your ears. I hold my nose and gently blow out. Do this every 2 feet as you go down...

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Год назад

      Nos and two fingers on the nose

  • @عاشقالبحر-غ6ب
    @عاشقالبحر-غ6ب 6 лет назад

    الحمد لله نعمل في البحر ولدينا خبرة ليست بقليه من أجدادنا مصريين وسعوديين ويمنيين تعلمناها من أجدادنا فى هذا المجال بالفطره ولاكن ينقصنا بعض الشهادات

  • @walterbacic6292
    @walterbacic6292 5 лет назад

    Sandy ground and a good anker. Not really a high risk situation.

  • @baylonaj
    @baylonaj 3 года назад

    No offense, but this made me want to go nighty night. Gonna dream about being embraced by the sea...snore

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Год назад +1

      With an deep bass and deep sea current. Pirates should keep it chill:))

  • @salvor1
    @salvor1 7 лет назад

    that didn't seem like deep or short.

  • @JacobFerchec
    @JacobFerchec 8 лет назад

    Why not add numbers on screen in metric system? It would be very helpful.

  • @Trump-a-Tron
    @Trump-a-Tron 5 лет назад

    How the f***k does 200-4--lb of weight hold an entire boat??? I never understood how anchors work.
    It's some bullsh*t magic.

  • @TheJessehart05
    @TheJessehart05 8 лет назад

    I like your videos but they all seem so 1990s. Still good information.

  • @bcbit01
    @bcbit01 7 лет назад

    I could make this video a lot shorter.......A single frame for 15 seconds with the following text, "DON'T DO IT!."

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  7 лет назад +1

      Do you mean don't anchor in deep water? Or don't shorten the scope when you do? In many anchorage situations the deep water shorter scope option can help out... but the video needs to be longer than 15 seconds ;-)

    • @bcbit01
      @bcbit01 7 лет назад

      Yes. Do not anchor in deep water. In my opinion, any anchoring situation with scope of less than 5:1 requires a watch. and if you have a watch, you don' t need to anchor. If you are mid-passage and your entire crew is too tired to stand watch, you've made a previous, more serious safety error.

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Год назад

      OK atleast two don't pass out when arriving at the Marina. Got it