Actually, that sounds like a good compromising solution. It should be easy to track how many cakes have been eaten and you cannot get it by just exiting the moment you enter.
Makes perfect sense. Rare bounty roll (echo gem etc) "eat 52 cakes". Personally I don't think cake pedestals should be in every room. It should be like 25% until you complete, then in every room for the greed mechanic
@@TyroRNG I mean sure but elixir vaults do not have completion objectives in every room. I like the extra greed aspect of "there's a lodestone/pedestal in this room but I can greed more but it may be hard to find a new one or I have three more rooms to go back". We have kiwi/lemon/orange etc for a reason.
For etho: Win+M minimises all tabs and Win+Shift+M restores tabs, but if your tabs are all active but not visible in task manager like in the video you may have opened a new virtual desktop with Win+Ctrl+D (Win+Ctrl+F4 closes virtual windows and you can view all virtual desktops with Win+Tab)
Win M and Win Shift M seems like a less convenient version of Win D that shows desktop and can be pressed again to bring back the windows. But Etho already knew about that shortcut because he pranked Scar with it.
The cake icon at the top should show what room you are in. That would be very useful. You can see the total you have opened in the bottom right already.
Regarding the cake vault generation, I dont know if there is a cap, but you could pregenerate the whole vault before it starts. You just have to basicly generate one room, add one cake layer to the vault (+chests cascading), generate another room, add a layer and so on untill the vault is pregenerated and then just remove all the cake layers. Because the problem of pregenerating is only the cascading chests, but you know exactly how much a room should cascade (based on the layer).
There were a few whispers and rumours going around a few small circles in the community, but it was quickly dismissed as a fake leak, so it never reached the greater audience
For the lag issue when unlocking a new room, can't you pregenerate the rooms with the already augmented quantity of loot/chests? Since you don't have (I believe) random effects added per room, but for the cake one, can't you predict each buff in advance and pregen accordingly.
This actually sounds like a great idea! There are only two potential problems I see with this: 1. The rooms would need to be generated at some point, and if it is all at once (like at the beginning) then it would be even more laggy (however, normal vaults aren't too laggy at the beginning to my knowledge, so this point is probably invalid) 2. You would need to pick how many rooms to generate at the start, and if the player goes over, you would have to generate more (however, you could probably just pregen 100 and if the player gets to 100 you can just generate the next hundred and make them wait a second, so this point is also probably invalid) So overall, this is a great idea that I am sure could be implemented without an extreme amount of effort. Great idea! 👍
i vaguely remember etho trolling scar in an among us stream by telling him to push a key combo that ended up minimising all of scar's tabs. this incident might have been karma for that :D
That ending :) this happen every time false is joining too, he made a deal with the devil so she gets all the treasure sand rooms but also adds 500% more stress to group vaults :)
It sounds like etho switched his desktop, on a Windows pc if you hit alt-tab at the bottom it shows alternative desktops, It may be that he didnt need to restart and could have just switched back to his other desktop by hitting alt-tab and clicking the 1st desktop. (its at the bottom of the screen usually)
from watching all these behind the scenes videos, it kinda always feels like "this is how i play and its the only right way" i dont know how much of it is friendly banter and how much is actual frustration ^_^;
"I'll time you!" Hahaha that took me back, dude, it used to work so well. Tell them it's a contest somehow and they flip out and start rushing. Classic brother prankage
iskallMAN could constantly save False Symetry, and never know that she's secretly SYMMETRICAL LADY. :O and then he'd not realize that he's saving her, and helping her with her plans on accident.
I believe the best way to play the new cake vaults would be to speed run cakes until you've 10min left on your vault time then begin focusing on looting for the last 10min
If cake vaults have changed to layers, you can pregen the entire vault because each new room is always going to be +1 layer. Unless you can't do room by room scaling of modifiers
0:40 I've started referring to that as the "Starfield Effect". Something that would be pretty decent, but the hype got out of control and letdown happens.
What do you think of the idea of having some vault themes be distinct in their geometry rather than palette? Though the themes all look different, I noticed that they share similarly shaped rooms. But you could do themes where things are like super block-y and solid. There could be balance concerns; I'd guess the main limitation is the tech though. It could be cool though, couldn't it? You could make claustrophobic dark dungeon themes and stuff.
@@plantcraftie4141 forgot about that, they could add more open rooms too though. The thing with the current system is that everything is naturally shaped. But theoretically you could have a vault themed around roman architecture or something. Pillared platforms, fountains, gardens, aquaducts, ect.
ethos outfit is so fitting for me because i saw the pirate omega room for the first time yesterday playing. and before that room, the two rooms before were painting and factory. my luck
I was just about to complain that iskall hadn't uploaded enough vods today after having spoiled us most of the week... and my RUclips presents me with this 🎉
This whole series was just an Islall scheme to get Etho input on his game. People would pay good money for Etho critiques, but Iskall got them for free by treating him like a little brother.
Tiny game design thought: X-Mark Rooms should be a guaranteed success on the first dig per player. Players who don't watch youtubers playing won't try a second time if the first one is trapped.
Is there an accessibility option for people who are colorblind to be able to tell where the cake is? I feel like some people are gonna have trouble seeing the pink vignette on normal vault themes, let alone the red bone one.
For the lag with cakes. can't you pregen the room and POIs without chests/coins/ores, then generate the chests when the cake in the previous room is found. Alternatively, you could pregen the rooms with the appropriate number of cake layer stacks pre-applied, might be more difficult but would reduce the lag down to none
@@plantcraftie4141 Depends on how their systems work, if they can rapidly switch modifiers in a vault then maybe, but as someone who doesn't have access to the code, this doesn't sound possible as it would've almost certainly be already implemented if they could.
I totally agree with False in the first vault, I always end up in her situation. Being behind the others and stuck dealing with the mobs left by the faster people, never getting to find the cakes. Hopefully the new mode makes it easier but iv never enjoyed cakes because of that.
Etho probably did windows ctrl left which switches his desktop to a secondary one. In windows tab you can see if there are 2 desktops and can delete the other one so it doesn’t happen
I saw the start of the strem the other day. Just one persons opinion, but when Dylan was saying u can overthink things, adding twitch chat for youtube videos is one of them. I laughed coz i was watching the vod and as usual had chat hidden. You do a good job in making a distinction between what chat says and your response, its never been an issue for me. Anyway u do u :))
I feel like a co-op style tactic where you trade off positions with one person hunting cakes and another one or two looting could be a pretty powerful strat for getting high cake counts.
You should add a command that makes parties open for servers like yours. It would essentially add everyone to the same vault party and then hide it from the side bar. Would be fun to randomly have someone enter your vault while you’re running it.
that problem that etho has, i had it a few times. the game didnt died, it just switch to destop 2, where everything seems to gone. but its just in desktop 1.
You should make it so that each persons crate scales from the number of cakes that they got on thier own so that if one person loots and the other only gets cakes, the cake getter will be incentivized
I feel like seeing stress&false struggling in this vault is a good case for why making the mobs hit even harder or faster would make the cake vaults real bad for everyone who isn't in the most extreme player base lol.
Stress is a pro, she's legitimately one of the best players on VHSMP. She doesn't grind as much as others but she's much better at strategy and game knowledge than anyone else. She DEFINITELY counts as the extreme playerbase
Oh also checking in on this later: There are a lot of other reasons for them struggling, notably that they're trying to loot while etho and iskall are just caking and leaving hordes of mobs behind them, also the level is at stress's level so it's like WAY easier for etho and iskall at their higher level than for her just because they're like 10 levels higher
I feel like you should be able to have a favor of every god, but only 1 of each, so if you do a velara altar and then do another it should override, but if you then do an idona it should just add a different one
Is it possible to make a PVP FFA vault? For instance....Say you invite 3 other people to your party to run the vault..and once everyone enters it disbands the party and all 4 people are sent to the North, East, South and West areas..Each gets their own separate path and rooms and you HAVE to complete each rooms objective to move to the next room until you finally get to a middle room where all 4 people duel until death and the last person standing gets everyone's crate and all of the gear picked up inside of that vault? People who die before getting to the PVP have their pick ups added to whoever stands last. People get to keep the gear they are wearing and use even if they die. It only pertains to whatever was picked up inside of the current vault. To make it more fair everyone that enters should need to be + or - five levels from each other. I've been thinking about this idea for a little while now but I don't know any of the know hows or if it is even possible. It would be a cool vault possibility to see if it can be done. Everyone can test their mettle against each other and you get to hear your enemies lament as a bonus. It would add value to more builds. Or maybe even add a pvp skill tree to make additional build styles. Do you think that would be a good idea if it's possible to do? Just a thought. 😁
Iskall, does the number of mobs in cake vaults depends on the level and amount of people in the vault?? because it seemed that there were a lot of mobs for only 5 cakes
Iskall for the the lag you talked about when consuming a cake can be fixed by pre-generating the next room. And I don't see a problem with it since the cake vaults always generate in a single direction ahead you can always generate the next room with added chests. And regarding the increase in damage and speed of the mobs, well you can leave it as it is now, for you will only be facing them after unlocking the room right?
you don't really need nerf cake vaults out right. Just give the player a lethargic debuff, requiring the player to go into other vaults before they can do another cake vault.
You should make it so ‘Complete one cake vault’ bounty becomes ‘Eat 20 cakes in a cake vault’ since you can just complete without doing anything now.
Actually, that sounds like a good compromising solution.
It should be easy to track how many cakes have been eaten and you cannot get it by just exiting the moment you enter.
Makes perfect sense. Rare bounty roll (echo gem etc) "eat 52 cakes". Personally I don't think cake pedestals should be in every room. It should be like 25% until you complete, then in every room for the greed mechanic
@@TheBeetrootman but there is no more "complete" You can finish at 1 cake layer or 100.
@@TheBeetrootmanwas thinking about something like that by have a pedestal every 5 room
@@TyroRNG I mean sure but elixir vaults do not have completion objectives in every room.
I like the extra greed aspect of "there's a lodestone/pedestal in this room but I can greed more but it may be hard to find a new one or I have three more rooms to go back".
We have kiwi/lemon/orange etc for a reason.
For etho: Win+M minimises all tabs and Win+Shift+M restores tabs, but if your tabs are all active but not visible in task manager like in the video you may have opened a new virtual desktop with Win+Ctrl+D (Win+Ctrl+F4 closes virtual windows and you can view all virtual desktops with Win+Tab)
I needed this answer during my gaming days, It would happen to me so many times...
But the programmes in other virtual desktops are still be visible in Taskmanager.
Win M and Win Shift M seems like a less convenient version of Win D that shows desktop and can be pressed again to bring back the windows. But Etho already knew about that shortcut because he pranked Scar with it.
Etho doing an Etho impression was great😂
I love Iskall's and Etho's magnet fights
45:27
Don’t mind me. Just putting some time stamps here
Etho letting Iskall do the vault while he just chills and loots is peak content.
Loving all of the Iskall and friends content lately, it's really awesome to watch Vodskall everyday!
Etho vs dungeon EASY
Etho vs False’s marking system IMPOSSIBLE
The cake icon at the top should show what room you are in. That would be very useful. You can see the total you have opened in the bottom right already.
Regarding the cake vault generation, I dont know if there is a cap, but you could pregenerate the whole vault before it starts. You just have to basicly generate one room, add one cake layer to the vault (+chests cascading), generate another room, add a layer and so on untill the vault is pregenerated and then just remove all the cake layers. Because the problem of pregenerating is only the cascading chests, but you know exactly how much a room should cascade (based on the layer).
Wait, cake vaults changed!? How did this major change fly under everyone's radar?
There were a few whispers and rumours going around a few small circles in the community, but it was quickly dismissed as a fake leak, so it never reached the greater audience
It's absolutely crazy!
Yeahh
I never heard about it once....
Totally
There totally wasn't a release by iskall himself saying that cake vaults were changing
For the lag issue when unlocking a new room, can't you pregenerate the rooms with the already augmented quantity of loot/chests? Since you don't have (I believe) random effects added per room, but for the cake one, can't you predict each buff in advance and pregen accordingly.
This actually sounds like a great idea! There are only two potential problems I see with this:
1. The rooms would need to be generated at some point, and if it is all at once (like at the beginning) then it would be even more laggy (however, normal vaults aren't too laggy at the beginning to my knowledge, so this point is probably invalid)
2. You would need to pick how many rooms to generate at the start, and if the player goes over, you would have to generate more (however, you could probably just pregen 100 and if the player gets to 100 you can just generate the next hundred and make them wait a second, so this point is also probably invalid)
So overall, this is a great idea that I am sure could be implemented without an extreme amount of effort.
Great idea! 👍
I thought your comment said ‘impregnate’ at first.
agreed
and we all know that a greed is good!
i vaguely remember etho trolling scar in an among us stream by telling him to push a key combo that ended up minimising all of scar's tabs. this incident might have been karma for that :D
That ending :) this happen every time false is joining too, he made a deal with the devil so she gets all the treasure sand rooms but also adds 500% more stress to group vaults :)
It sounds like etho switched his desktop, on a Windows pc if you hit alt-tab at the bottom it shows alternative desktops, It may be that he didnt need to restart and could have just switched back to his other desktop by hitting alt-tab and clicking the 1st desktop. (its at the bottom of the screen usually)
from watching all these behind the scenes videos, it kinda always feels like "this is how i play and its the only right way" i dont know how much of it is friendly banter and how much is actual frustration ^_^;
"I'll time you!" Hahaha that took me back, dude, it used to work so well. Tell them it's a contest somehow and they flip out and start rushing. Classic brother prankage
iskallMAN could constantly save False Symetry, and never know that she's secretly SYMMETRICAL LADY. :O
and then he'd not realize that he's saving her, and helping her with her plans on accident.
I believe the best way to play the new cake vaults would be to speed run cakes until you've 10min left on your vault time then begin focusing on looting for the last 10min
I just wanted to say I'm loving the deluge of VH videos, and also I was DYING LAUGHING at your efforts to re-Swede your accent.
If cake vaults have changed to layers, you can pregen the entire vault because each new room is always going to be +1 layer. Unless you can't do room by room scaling of modifiers
0:40 I've started referring to that as the "Starfield Effect". Something that would be pretty decent, but the hype got out of control and letdown happens.
Surely IskallMANs natural enemy is Greedskall
and perhaps EthoMANs natural enemy is Gobtho (Goblin Etho?)
My cake vault strat, for the first 15 mins, speedrun cakes, then in the last 10 minutes loot so you have max cascades on chests
What? Cake vaults were changed? Why weren't we told about this???
IK. Iskall needs to communicate more
Wooooosh@@ThatKermitGuy
@@samszczepanski2281erm actually
What do you think of the idea of having some vault themes be distinct in their geometry rather than palette? Though the themes all look different, I noticed that they share similarly shaped rooms.
But you could do themes where things are like super block-y and solid.
There could be balance concerns; I'd guess the main limitation is the tech though.
It could be cool though, couldn't it? You could make claustrophobic dark dungeon themes and stuff.
You already have claustrophobic dark dungeons. The randomly appear in rooms and are recognized by a black door with an image of a mob on it in red.
@@plantcraftie4141 forgot about that, they could add more open rooms too though. The thing with the current system is that everything is naturally shaped. But theoretically you could have a vault themed around roman architecture or something. Pillared platforms, fountains, gardens, aquaducts, ect.
@@Dom_R_222 yeah they could do that. I think it's in a really good place now tho. Adding more is expensive.
always mark the left side so when you leave you always follow the right path and not the wrong one
ethos outfit is so fitting for me because i saw the pirate omega room for the first time yesterday playing. and before that room, the two rooms before were painting and factory. my luck
Remember to change "Light the Monoliths" in the bounty table to the replacement vaults
Ethos base has come a long way! Finally excited for this to continue
I was just about to complain that iskall hadn't uploaded enough vods today after having spoiled us most of the week... and my RUclips presents me with this 🎉
YES IVE BEEN WAITING THREE DAYS FOR THIS SINCE THE SERVER UPDATED
This whole series was just an Islall scheme to get Etho input on his game. People would pay good money for Etho critiques, but Iskall got them for free by treating him like a little brother.
Tiny game design thought:
X-Mark Rooms should be a guaranteed success on the first dig per player. Players who don't watch youtubers playing won't try a second time if the first one is trapped.
FINALLY IVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT CAKE VAULTS FOR WEEKS
Is there an accessibility option for people who are colorblind to be able to tell where the cake is? I feel like some people are gonna have trouble seeing the pink vignette on normal vault themes, let alone the red bone one.
before anything else iskall seems to be a gamer
Absolutely loving VH with the hermits. Love the vodskall channel with the long content.
I love watching this! So much fun with the hermits on VH 😄😄
Hopefully everythings ok with Stress
For the lag with cakes. can't you pregen the room and POIs without chests/coins/ores, then generate the chests when the cake in the previous room is found.
Alternatively, you could pregen the rooms with the appropriate number of cake layer stacks pre-applied, might be more difficult but would reduce the lag down to none
Since the change, they could immediately add the chests/coins/ores too, hence the cake modifier is not random anymore.
@@plantcraftie4141 Depends on how their systems work, if they can rapidly switch modifiers in a vault then maybe, but as someone who doesn't have access to the code, this doesn't sound possible as it would've almost certainly be already implemented if they could.
You need the Junk Identifier for the Junk Table to work
Love these videos and can’t wait for another season of VHSMP
I think you should gift etho the special goblin transmog when he hits level 100. Not sure if any if the hermits have access to it already.
This channel is the second best thing that happened to Vault Hunters. And the first was Vault Hunters itself
I totally agree with False in the first vault, I always end up in her situation. Being behind the others and stuck dealing with the mobs left by the faster people, never getting to find the cakes. Hopefully the new mode makes it easier but iv never enjoyed cakes because of that.
Get some extra levels in dash/speed?
57:40 doctor who reference I believe.
Man, can't believe Iskall would just hide all these changes he made to cake vaults, poor Etho had no idea going in what he could expect.
always have a great time watching these vods! Thanks iskall!
Markings on the right because it's right.
Follow markings on your left when you left.
It's a sensible system.
I agree with False... agree 😌
this was great, i love the group vaults
Etho probably did windows ctrl left which switches his desktop to a secondary one. In windows tab you can see if there are 2 desktops and can delete the other one so it doesn’t happen
I saw the start of the strem the other day. Just one persons opinion, but when Dylan was saying u can overthink things, adding twitch chat for youtube videos is one of them. I laughed coz i was watching the vod and as usual had chat hidden. You do a good job in making a distinction between what chat says and your response, its never been an issue for me.
Anyway u do u :))
Iskall is so brude, but love the vids, good job!
I feel like a co-op style tactic where you trade off positions with one person hunting cakes and another one or two looting could be a pretty powerful strat for getting high cake counts.
not really, hence the looting becomes more valuable, the more rooms you passed
WOOOOOO!! I have been WAITING for this video, so excited!
love watching these behind the scenes daily
4:00 casual puking sound lmao
Found my 3rd Treasure Chest Scroll yesterday and there is no way that I have opened more treasure rooms than Etho.
I couldn’t stop laugh when you were doing this strong Swedish accent and they completely had no idea ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Seeing the damage i think that 40 cakes for the full crate is a bit of an ask, but then again seeing the loot its probably fine
That's such a good vault run, so much fun.
I’m not sure how no one has told you but you need the junk management tablet to actually make your junk management system work.
This BTS was a blast thanks iskall 💚
may i point out that the trinket-lostbounty roo, had a THIRD vendoor thats three in one room thats insane
You should add a command that makes parties open for servers like yours. It would essentially add everyone to the same vault party and then hide it from the side bar. Would be fun to randomly have someone enter your vault while you’re running it.
I believe there is already a game rule that allows you to enter vaults without being in a party.
that problem that etho has, i had it a few times. the game didnt died, it just switch to destop 2, where everything seems to gone. but its just in desktop 1.
Best run ever!
This is a great distraction from my grandma dying, thanks
I would hate to be stuck with false's way of marking, i confuse left and right all the time
You should make it so that each persons crate scales from the number of cakes that they got on thier own so that if one person loots and the other only gets cakes, the cake getter will be incentivized
The cake vaults joke is never going away now is it?
I feel like seeing stress&false struggling in this vault is a good case for why making the mobs hit even harder or faster would make the cake vaults real bad for everyone who isn't in the most extreme player base lol.
Iskall doesn’t care about casual players.
Stress is a pro, she's legitimately one of the best players on VHSMP. She doesn't grind as much as others but she's much better at strategy and game knowledge than anyone else. She DEFINITELY counts as the extreme playerbase
Oh also checking in on this later: There are a lot of other reasons for them struggling, notably that they're trying to loot while etho and iskall are just caking and leaving hordes of mobs behind them, also the level is at stress's level so it's like WAY easier for etho and iskall at their higher level than for her just because they're like 10 levels higher
Etho and Eskall should absolutely base together next HC
I really wouldn't mind to see whole uncut streams on this channel! 😇❤️
They’re on Twitch.
They’re here but unlisted! Go to the playlist and you can find them
25:42 how simple men are ,one of us is afk , so we need to run in circles until they're back right?? Yeaaaa funn circles 😂😂😂😂
Glazed terracotta will fix the door markings
I feel like you should be able to have a favor of every god, but only 1 of each, so if you do a velara altar and then do another it should override, but if you then do an idona it should just add a different one
You could use cake vaults to farm Soul shards if you need it
I knew Etho was a ninya, but I didn't know he was a loot ninya
If the modifier you get upon collecting a cake is the same each time, couldn't you still pregen all rooms but just account for the increase in chests?
I'd love to see the cake Habba event lol
Oh snap, etho looks fancy!
I hate sand, its course, its rough, its irritating and it gets everywhere - anakin skywalker
You have to add ability to keybind bounty rerolls
Is it possible to make a PVP FFA vault? For instance....Say you invite 3 other people to your party to run the vault..and once everyone enters it disbands the party and all 4 people are sent to the North, East, South and West areas..Each gets their own separate path and rooms and you HAVE to complete each rooms objective to move to the next room until you finally get to a middle room where all 4 people duel until death and the last person standing gets everyone's crate and all of the gear picked up inside of that vault? People who die before getting to the PVP have their pick ups added to whoever stands last. People get to keep the gear they are wearing and use even if they die. It only pertains to whatever was picked up inside of the current vault. To make it more fair everyone that enters should need to be + or - five levels from each other. I've been thinking about this idea for a little while now but I don't know any of the know hows or if it is even possible. It would be a cool vault possibility to see if it can be done. Everyone can test their mettle against each other and you get to hear your enemies lament as a bonus. It would add value to more builds. Or maybe even add a pvp skill tree to make additional build styles. Do you think that would be a good idea if it's possible to do? Just a thought. 😁
You’re my truffle pig is crazy 😂
Brood means to sit in like the corner of a room angerly
The way iskall spelled it is Danish for a bride
@@Bioh9z9rd intresting
I live for VH through your videos, someday I will get my own PC and VH will be my addiction 😂
btw. loving these vods
Iskall, does the number of mobs in cake vaults depends on the level and amount of people in the vault?? because it seemed that there were a lot of mobs for only 5 cakes
I believe 'brude' is the danish word for 'bride'
Brood is also a word, pronounced the same, basically another word for sulking, which could’ve been what Stress what referring to.
It was Win+D that done that Etho porbably
Iskall for the the lag you talked about when consuming a cake can be fixed by pre-generating the next room. And I don't see a problem with it since the cake vaults always generate in a single direction ahead you can always generate the next room with added chests. And regarding the increase in damage and speed of the mobs, well you can leave it as it is now, for you will only be facing them after unlocking the room right?
you don't really need nerf cake vaults out right. Just give the player a lethargic debuff, requiring the player to go into other vaults before they can do another cake vault.
honestly I need a break in-between from eating cake. One every once and a while is ok, back to back no.
I may be a little bit confused, whys there no end of vault stats screen and crake for second vault?
A bug currently, will be fixed before Sunday
is the cake layer scaling applied to the old rooms or only the new room that is generated?
What is the ice spirit
Did they change cake vaults!?
Why not make it so when you hit the cake pedestal it spawns 10 cakes in the room your in and you have to go and clear them all to complete
What does fading do?
Any damage you take is permanent, you lose the entire heart it doesn’t just empty