Might be the first time in a while I felt utterly uncomfortable watching a TED-Ed video... not a critique towards the channel but it's insane to think people used to do this
I feel bad for the people who were forced in these institutions just because they didn't behave in the norm, heck I've seen old cases were a lot of women where thrown there due to the husband wanting to get rid of her without the divorce stigma.
Rosemary Kennedy’s story will always depress me. They quite literally stole her whole life from her at the age of 23 and left her like a husk for the 64 remaining years of her life.
@@hakimdiwan5101 On the other bright side, it is something Joseph Kennedy Sr. has regretted all his life afterwards. Actually, scratch that: everything he had done so far made sure his family's legacy became irrelevant by the 1970's, and this man did everything to become one of America's elite families...
It’s really scary how just being different in that time could have literally condemned you to that fate. This video sheds light on so much controversial history.
It’s still the same today. Mental health is largely a tool for enforcing social conformity though now the professionals in the area seem to be more aware of that
not even that, you just need to have someone in your surroundings who does not like you too much and you could end in a psychological asylum like the case of Elizabeth Packard
That's essentially the plot of the "Justice Lords" in Justice League: Unlimited. All of the villains in the Justice Lords universe were lobotomized to become docile, with most of them working at Arkham Asylum; The Joker himself works there as its director...
I just wanna say to whoever composed the music accompanying this video... well done. I am officially terrified. I didn't know music could give me such an anxious heart rate.
It's best to learn dark history, no matter how grim it can be, in an effort to prevent repeating it. Edit: Also, make sure to call out when things start to repeat!
I do agree with you. Although it's sometimes hard to look at the dark parts of History, it is important that we learn from those mistakes And scars of the past so we can Make sure that history doesn't repeat itself
@Allium95 He was awarded for Ammonia production which helped in the production of fertilizer.. sadly though, it was later used in production of explosives (Ammonium nitrate). Overall the initial intention was for the fertilizer, though he killed millions (Indirectly) he saved billions of people from starvation.
The fact that lobotomies were once accepted as a treatment of mental issues should remind us that we should never become too sure of our own understanding.
I remember how dreadful it was seeing Bojack Horseman's grandmother lobotomized. This video is more scientific, but the terror is still there. Thank you for shedding light on such topic.
My great grandmother had a transorbital lobotomy. My grandma never talked about her, but my great aunt said she never forgot how she looked after that; it was that traumatic to her. My great grandma didn't live long after, maybe a year or two.
Having anxiety, depression, and maybe possibly autism, it's scary to wonder if I would have ended up with one. Like, how low exactly was the bar? I don't stick out in society, but the people who live with me are definitely tired of it.
Don’t let it get you down further. My family has lived with me and dealt with it for 20 years. Make sure honesty is an important part of your life. Also get your thyroid checked. Not just the T3 and T4. Get a full thyroid panel and antibodies. A lot of times the thyroid is a hidden disease that makes it worse. You have to advocate for yourself. I have a friend that does LSD once every 6 months and he swears by it. He has PTSD and a brain injury that lead to his severe depression. ❤
You think those people agreed to undergo a lobotomy? It was usually forced upon thenunfortunately. Most people who were institutionalized were stripped of their rights. There were many horrific things they would do to mental health patients that caused even more suffering.
They did a bunch on nuns and told them it would bring them closer to God. My dad’s aunt had it done when she was at a convent and she went from highly intelligent to nearly catatonic. How incredibly sad and upsetting.
I think a lot of people (physicians and relatives) didn’t *truly* believe a lobotomy would help patients with their suffering, but it did make them more pliable and easier to deal with…and so…just a little grease for those squeaky wheels to hush up.
"Yeah. I-It’s amazing that the human body can live without the frontal lobe, you know?"-phone guy, fnaf night 1. also, jokes aside, it's sad to become a husk of yourself, and society treating the way how you became like that as the "best solution"
No joke, this made me feel terrible, my body felt numb and I wanted to throw up. I cannot imagine how much more difficult it was to live with a mental illness just a couple decades ago. Lobotomies sound like absolute torture and something out of a horror movie
It breaks my heart knowing these people were treated this way "because the public didn't like erratic behavior." They would rather see a drooling potato than someone who was a bit eccentric or suicidal.
Same thing today... try telling your psychiatrist you don't like what the drugs are doing to you/their side effects especially if you're in in-patient and/or a minor
@@amazinggrapes3045 Yeah, a buddy of mine in high school was VERY ADHD. At one point he just tossed out the meds and said screw it. He was tired of Ritalin making him dull and "focused". These people need outlets where they shine, not stuffed into the same mold as others and shoehorned into conformity with meds.
There’s a lot of guys who’ve had one for much longer for much much worse From a guy who stole the discovery for the reason for cancer from a Japanese scientist in 1926 to the original guy who dynamite which the prize is named (Mr Nobel) wished to be retaken after it was used in war so much
The Noble prize doesn't work like that. Nobel prizes are awarded in a particular historical-social context, so while it doesn't make sense to us human in 21th century, it did contribute to science and deserve a noble prize back then. To put into perspective, it's somewhat like comparing Pele and Ronaldo, Pele was great because he was ahead of his time, not that he is objectively better than Ronaldo.
Its insane to think about how this was commonplace less than a century ago. I first learned about lobotomies from the movie Sucker Punch years back. Most of the mental illnesses that led to these ended up being easy to treat/manage. We have come a long way with improving as a society. So now we can only hope things continue to get better
I wonder how Many Things we so today will be looked at Like that in 100 years. Honestly thinking that we know it all and are beyond those sorts of mistakes IS nothing short of arrogant
It took 2000 years for antiseptic sterilization to be a thing because doctors look down upon folk remedies as "barbaric" (the guy who champions such -Ignaz Semmelweiss - noticed the lower rate of post-natal deaths through sepsis when the child was delivered by midwives as compared to doctors. It wasn't until 30 years later that it became an accepted medical practice through works by Joseph Lister)...
I remember how shocked I was when watching "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and later finding out someone won a noble prize for lobotomy procedure ...
*shudder* I understand better why activists for the disabled community are apt to say that their conditions don't need to be "cured", since this is how we "cured" things in the past. That doesn't mean that, as a blind person, I completely agree with them, but I do understand them better now.
Yeah, it definitely depends on the disability. I don’t think I would want a cure for my disability, but I would like it to me recognized as such without being treated as less than
@ like just about everything else, it's about balance. Unfortunately, I think well meaning, but angry and traumatized people have pushed the boundaries of "ableism", and made the conversation about "cures" much more difficult. We've got to figure out a way to be inclusive, while still retaining the ability to discuss complex topics in a reasonable, calm way. 🤷
Thank you for making the animation and music as unsettling and disturbing as the actual history was. Kudos, seriously. So many lives just apathetically destroyed…
This is what they still do at mental health "treatment" and it is kind of the aim. The treatments pacify and dull the "patient" and hinder conginitive abilities. ECT is simply an electric shock to the brain, "side effects", meaning results, include brain damage and, as a consequence, diminished cognitive function. It is in principle very similar to the lobotomy. (Brain damage also can make some people more cheerful for a while, but this effect rarely lasts. Because the electric current travels through each brain differently each time, not all people are so hindered by that, similar to when people are hit by lightning for example, some survive better and some worse, but it doesn't diminish its dangerousness.) Some people appear "soothed" to others after that, but it often destroys them as a person. Many have lost their ability to work. Also for example antipsychotics have somewhat similar effects, they tend to make people more dull and they make many almost vegetative. They don't heal people, instead they increase patient mortality and chronic disablity. The patient is essentially viewed as a dangerous animal that needs to be put down, even if they've really done nothing wrong. They are simply viewed to be bothersome for others to deal with, and that is fundamentally the "problem" that is being solved - by just more or less annihilating them. The lives of patients are generally viewed as disposable. People don't tend to believe patients when they try to tell about this and how bad it has been for them, and lots of people assume medical field must have moved on nowadays, so it has just continued.
You forgot to include the part where Dr Moniz was shot by a schizophrenic patient in 1939 after he suggested the surgical procedure he invented. This made Moniz bound to his wheelchair until his death in 1955
I am going through horrific depressive episode with and survived one suicide attempt after an insanely painful breakup. Right now I could give up anything and everything I own in this world to have this Lobotomy procedure despite everything said in this video. Only a person who has experienced or understands depression can understand where I’m coming from with this unpopular opinion. May God Heal me and all the broken like me.
I completely understand where you’re coming from, I thought about having a lobotomy as well. But the lobotomy would leave you as a husk of a person. I think I’d rather have the right side of my amygdala removed. I won’t be able to feel fear which is a plus, but as with every surgery that messes with the brain it has its drawbacks. Though I don’t care much considering my sense of fear would be gone, and even with the drawbacks it seems like a win for me. Anxiety and I guess autism has caused me more depression than ever so I’d gladly remove my sense of fear at least for a bit less depression. I don’t know how to end this so best of luck moving forward!
I was in that same place 14 years ago. You can get out. Try as many tools as you can find. I managed to get out of that place with a combination of many things, starting with cognitive therapy and meds. I then continued with other tools and lots of emotional work. I've made major changes in my life and it was really worth it: I don't take meds anymore and my depression hasn't come back. And remember nothing lasts forever: not even dark and pain.
@fadlah3482 please consider reading “The Body Keeps the Score.” The last 1/3 of it presents methods of healing. Maybe start there! Also, journaling & exercising are big helps. ✍🏼🏃🏻♀️🙏🏼
The rise and fall of the lobotomy are both fascinating and tragic, a stark reminder that science without ethics can cause irreversible harm. This story underscores the importance of accountability in medical progress!
@@GTAVictor9128 never ever divorce science especially medicine from ethics. Science without ethics is not useless it is a scourge on society that would be better off not existing at all
I was on the verge of tears seeing this and thinking of those who were affected by this procedure. I watched One fell over the Cuckoo Nest with Jack Nicholson, Bojack Horseman and read Rosemary Kennedy’s story about lobotomies and I can’t believe how an inhumane procedure was used to fix unwanted behavior which was probably mental health issues and or cognitive issues with could have been addressed with further research, therapy and medication. It didn’t help at the time the procedure was introduced image and what people thought was important among everything else.
It's regrettable that Egas Moniz received a Nobel Prize for the prefrontal leucotomy. Egas Moniz had been nominated several times before for a Nobel Prize for his many contributions to medicine such as the cerebral angiography for example.
Because of undergoing thia bizzare procedure, Rosemary Kennedy's IQ dropped from and 8 year old's to a 3 year old, and spent the rest of her life in sanitoriums relearning how to walk, talk, etc.
I'm so glad lobotomies ae no longer performed, I am worried that maybe antipsychotic drugs have harmful effects though, actually one thing I always wonder about is, old medical practices are usually seen by us as primitive or found to be unhealthy, does that mean that in the future today's medical practices will be spoken of the same way?
Some antipsychotic drugs most certainly do have harmful effects on the brain and the body (mostly after long term use) I think you’re correct about the future because there’s always positive changes and everything is constantly evolving. As long as there are researchers, doctors, scientists, etc working to find what works better for certain illnesses and diseases, I feel like we will always look back and find old practices unhealthy, primitive - maybe even harmful and/or outdated!
I know about an old man who got lobotomised back in the 70s, he relived his memories from that place he got lobotomised every singel day begging his caretakers to not send him back
In my other comment, I mentioned how I had to pull myself through, and I thought you might like to know how I did it. First I abandoned all religion, and blocked religion completely out of my mind. I told myself, there was no god to help me, no friends, no family, no doctors to help me. I was the captain of my ship, and I had to find the strength within me to take care of myself. I blocked out all of my auditory hallucinations, and I focused my mind on reality. Everything I touched, I told myself, that was reality, like a desk, a pen, a can of beans, literally everything around me. This put me progressively more and more into focus of reality. I only believed in things that I could prove to myself, were real. And this eventually brought me back into a semblance of normality, to where I got to feeling better about myself and was able to come up out of the depression. You must fight mental illness, you have to, you cannot give up and give in. Either control it, or it will control you.
When I watched Bojack Horseman, I thought it wasn't even an actual procedure for it was inhumane. When I realized that it had actually been performed on many, it shook me to my core.
Knowing that they sometimes did this to women who wouldn't want to loose weight for their husband's, because "disobedience" was viewed by many as a mental illness back then is scary
It's wild that in prior centuries ppl would just do cruel and abhorrent things in the guise of trying to cure or treat an illness. Now it's like they allowed you to do this to animals and human beings??? How? Really sad and enlightening.
This was worse than any horror movie I’ve ever seen (all Saw - conjuring - Exorcist-… movies included) I felt utter dread watching this get progressively horrific
I wonder if modern treatments for mental illnesses like drugs or surgeries will later be viewed in the same way as lobotomies once we understand things better.
For me the other part of this story is what it must have been like to watch people suffer with severe psychosis and not be able to do anything about it. There were some pretty minimal lobotomies and they actually helped. Yes the cost might have been high but to many it was worth it. Aren't we lucky to live in a time when we can treat these diseases with medication!
There was a low-flying plane during the opening section of the video, and it sent vibrations through my body. That mix of internal rumbling and frightening descriptions was a uniquely menacing experience.
Might be the first time in a while I felt utterly uncomfortable watching a TED-Ed video... not a critique towards the channel but it's insane to think people used to do this
To be fair they thought they were helping and they had reasonable reasons for that
The music and emotions on the characters sells the unsettlingness
@@LARKXHIN I was just about to mention the music
I feel bad for the people who were forced in these institutions just because they didn't behave in the norm, heck I've seen old cases were a lot of women where thrown there due to the husband wanting to get rid of her without the divorce stigma.
This video is so eerie compared to the rest of their channel, but given the subject matter it makes sense.
Rosemary Kennedy’s story will always depress me. They quite literally stole her whole life from her at the age of 23 and left her like a husk for the 64 remaining years of her life.
On the bright side she wouldn't have felt any of that
@@hakimdiwan5101that's not the bright side, I'm sure
she knew too much
@@hakimdiwan5101 On the other bright side, it is something Joseph Kennedy Sr. has regretted all his life afterwards. Actually, scratch that: everything he had done so far made sure his family's legacy became irrelevant by the 1970's, and this man did everything to become one of America's elite families...
she lived lifelessly lived for 87 YEARS!??
the controversies of the past should be made known to everyone today. thank you.
As the controversies of today will be seen as such in the future.
That's why there's veganism now
"gender affirming" surgeries are today's lobotomy
A head of state in the present thinks terrorising people will summon the Messiah
It’s really scary how just being different in that time could have literally condemned you to that fate. This video sheds light on so much controversial history.
It’s still the same today. Mental health is largely a tool for enforcing social conformity though now the professionals in the area seem to be more aware of that
Gender dysphoria is treated with a medical procedure not better than this.
not even that, you just need to have someone in your surroundings who does not like you too much and you could end in a psychological asylum like the case of Elizabeth Packard
Is the same as with witches. But that was worse cuz they would burn them alive. They were just different.
"Neuralink"
This sounds like something out of a 2000s dystopia. A “perfect” world where everyone is happy because no one is themselves anymore
Perhaps they simply were the cause of those ideas in the first place. Lobotomies we’re around in the 1960s after all
Oh, you would love “Harrison Bergeron” by Kurt Vonnegut!
That's essentially the plot of the "Justice Lords" in Justice League: Unlimited. All of the villains in the Justice Lords universe were lobotomized to become docile, with most of them working at Arkham Asylum; The Joker himself works there as its director...
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley kinda, people are only happy because of government mandated drugs
Reminds me of the book “you’ll like it here, everybody does” by ruth white
I just wanna say to whoever composed the music accompanying this video... well done. I am officially terrified. I didn't know music could give me such an anxious heart rate.
DIscordant piano. You're welcome.
FOR ALL HUMAN HISTORY, MUSIC USED BY SATAN TO DERIVE PEOPLE, U WILL SEE , IN MANY HOLY BOOKS MUSIC ARE FORBIDDEN, CAUSE IT CAN MANIPULATE PEOPLE
@@Stratelier I mean, I'm familiar with what discordant piano sounds like. Still damn near gave me anxiety attack
I just find it really annoying tbh
Thanks
Learning about Rosemary Kennedy was how I learned what lobotomies were. Absolutely terrifying.
It's best to learn dark history, no matter how grim it can be, in an effort to prevent repeating it.
Edit: Also, make sure to call out when things start to repeat!
we're too late on that one.
I do agree with you. Although it's sometimes hard to look at the dark parts of History, it is important that we learn from those mistakes And scars of the past so we can Make sure that history doesn't repeat itself
Too late.
I agree
Incredible that such a thing received a Nobel prize
You have war criminals who received the Nobel peace prize. The Nobel is largely overrated
Only thing more ridiculous is Henry Kissinger recieving a Nobel peace prize.
@GTAVictor9128 pretty much
Fritz Haber, the father of chemical weapons, was awarded a Nobel prize. This sort of thing shouldn't surprise you.
@Allium95 He was awarded for Ammonia production which helped in the production of fertilizer.. sadly though, it was later used in production of explosives (Ammonium nitrate). Overall the initial intention was for the fertilizer, though he killed millions (Indirectly) he saved billions of people from starvation.
This video reminded me how happy I am about having schizoaffective disorder, OCD, chronic depression and ADHD on the right time of history 🤠
111 👍
EXACTLYY my thoughts T-T
The fact that lobotomies were once accepted as a treatment of mental issues should remind us that we should never become too sure of our own understanding.
this
exactly.
*I would say it shows that we need transparency and intensive analysis in these topics.* not "never becoming too sure of our own understanding"
And that we should never divorce science especially medicine from moral standards
@@luisfilipe2023 I doubt you even have any moral standards.
I remember how dreadful it was seeing Bojack Horseman's grandmother lobotomized. This video is more scientific, but the terror is still there. Thank you for shedding light on such topic.
Literally just watched that scene for the first time, it was horrible to watch.
My great grandmother had a transorbital lobotomy. My grandma never talked about her, but my great aunt said she never forgot how she looked after that; it was that traumatic to her. My great grandma didn't live long after, maybe a year or two.
Having anxiety, depression, and maybe possibly autism, it's scary to wonder if I would have ended up with one. Like, how low exactly was the bar? I don't stick out in society, but the people who live with me are definitely tired of it.
Don’t let it get you down further. My family has lived with me and dealt with it for 20 years. Make sure honesty is an important part of your life. Also get your thyroid checked. Not just the T3 and T4. Get a full thyroid panel and antibodies. A lot of times the thyroid is a hidden disease that makes it worse. You have to advocate for yourself. I have a friend that does LSD once every 6 months and he swears by it. He has PTSD and a brain injury that lead to his severe depression. ❤
The music just creeps you out of the horrors of this abomination!
Yeah, never reward a villain who claims to have invented world peace, but really just invented true conformity 🗿
“What's broken in the heart can never be repaired, but the brain, well, we have all sorts of science for the brain.”
-Joseph Sugarman
“Why I have half a mind…”- Honey Sugarman
The cutting the brain with a chisel through the eye thing is unbelievable, why would ANYONE agree to undergoing that?
they didn't. mental ward patients didn't have any rights, and often times still don't
You think those people agreed to undergo a lobotomy? It was usually forced upon thenunfortunately. Most people who were institutionalized were stripped of their rights. There were many horrific things they would do to mental health patients that caused even more suffering.
@@SpoobSnack oh I didn’t know that, 🙁 thanks for informing
Where did you get the impression they agreed? They don't even have to agree to drug treatments today
@@SpoobSnack People are still being stripped of their rights, and harmful treatments are still being forced.
They did a bunch on nuns and told them it would bring them closer to God. My dad’s aunt had it done when she was at a convent and she went from highly intelligent to nearly catatonic. How incredibly sad and upsetting.
That's so unfortunate:(
@AlishaNamakula-d3eUNFORTUNATE?
Not the word I would use.
Horrific. Dreadful.
Ghastly.😵💫
I think a lot of people (physicians and relatives) didn’t *truly* believe a lobotomy would help patients with their suffering, but it did make them more pliable and easier to deal with…and so…just a little grease for those squeaky wheels to hush up.
same thing is happening right now in many different ways. and i'm sure youtube will delete my comment if i mention any of them.
I think you know something.....
@@ge2719Can you try saying one of these ways?
You did it, you brought the medicalization of psychological conditions down to the bare essentials
@@wilsonmyers926 not OP but I will. Drugs.
This is the first time I know the frontal lobe is such big. Cutting off one-third of the brain is one-third of murder.
"Yeah. I-It’s amazing that the human body can live without the frontal lobe, you know?"-phone guy, fnaf night 1.
also, jokes aside, it's sad to become a husk of yourself, and society treating the way how you became like that as the "best solution"
Hello holy beauty
This made me feel sick
No joke, this made me feel terrible, my body felt numb and I wanted to throw up. I cannot imagine how much more difficult it was to live with a mental illness just a couple decades ago. Lobotomies sound like absolute torture and something out of a horror movie
It breaks my heart knowing these people were treated this way "because the public didn't like erratic behavior." They would rather see a drooling potato than someone who was a bit eccentric or suicidal.
Same thing today... try telling your psychiatrist you don't like what the drugs are doing to you/their side effects especially if you're in in-patient and/or a minor
@@amazinggrapes3045 Yeah, a buddy of mine in high school was VERY ADHD. At one point he just tossed out the meds and said screw it. He was tired of Ritalin making him dull and "focused". These people need outlets where they shine, not stuffed into the same mold as others and shoehorned into conformity with meds.
It is usually the family and not the public.
@@Sandra-o3e Yes, and their fear of how the public (which thought the same at the time) would view them.
He needs his prize posthumously revoked
There’s a lot of guys who’ve had one for much longer for much much worse
From a guy who stole the discovery for the reason for cancer from a Japanese scientist in 1926 to the original guy who dynamite which the prize is named (Mr Nobel) wished to be retaken after it was used in war so much
The Noble prize doesn't work like that. Nobel prizes are awarded in a particular historical-social context, so while it doesn't make sense to us human in 21th century, it did contribute to science and deserve a noble prize back then. To put into perspective, it's somewhat like comparing Pele and Ronaldo, Pele was great because he was ahead of his time, not that he is objectively better than Ronaldo.
Its insane to think about how this was commonplace less than a century ago. I first learned about lobotomies from the movie Sucker Punch years back. Most of the mental illnesses that led to these ended up being easy to treat/manage. We have come a long way with improving as a society. So now we can only hope things continue to get better
Thats the most uneasy and sick ive ever felt watching a ted ed video.
Yeah i have to close my eyes on some of the animations, freaks me out too much
This is actually such a crazy backstory, no wonder there's no much mental health stigma
It's a crazy backstory to one of the worst genres of Geometry Dash levels
Kudos to everyone who worked on the atmosphere for this video, both visual and auditory. Really sells how horrifying this all is.
We learn this in school here in Portugal, and we still have hospitals and universities named after Moniz. He's mostly known for this dark legacy.
20th century America was crazy. Arsenic soaps, radioactive water, lobotomies...
Don't forget leaded gasoline...
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 fact. the creator of leaded gasoline also created the fridge chemical that destroys the ozone layer
And it seems that that was the Great America to which some want to return... 😒🙄
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131lead in paint too!
love the fact they still post !
It's crazy to think what medicine had to go through to become what it is today
I wonder how Many Things we so today will be looked at Like that in 100 years. Honestly thinking that we know it all and are beyond those sorts of mistakes IS nothing short of arrogant
It took 2000 years for antiseptic sterilization to be a thing because doctors look down upon folk remedies as "barbaric" (the guy who champions such -Ignaz Semmelweiss - noticed the lower rate of post-natal deaths through sepsis when the child was delivered by midwives as compared to doctors. It wasn't until 30 years later that it became an accepted medical practice through works by Joseph Lister)...
These kind of videos always remind me that *i'm born in the right era*
Are you though? Elon Musk and kin seek to lobotomise people
I remember how shocked I was when watching "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and later finding out someone won a noble prize for lobotomy procedure ...
*shudder* I understand better why activists for the disabled community are apt to say that their conditions don't need to be "cured", since this is how we "cured" things in the past. That doesn't mean that, as a blind person, I completely agree with them, but I do understand them better now.
Yeah, it definitely depends on the disability. I don’t think I would want a cure for my disability, but I would like it to me recognized as such without being treated as less than
@ like just about everything else, it's about balance. Unfortunately, I think well meaning, but angry and traumatized people have pushed the boundaries of "ableism", and made the conversation about "cures" much more difficult. We've got to figure out a way to be inclusive, while still retaining the ability to discuss complex topics in a reasonable, calm way. 🤷
I believe Egas Moniz was awarded the nobel prize for his work in cerebral angiography and not directly for his work in prefrontal leucotomy.
Thank you for making the animation and music as unsettling and disturbing as the actual history was. Kudos, seriously. So many lives just apathetically destroyed…
Can you imagine watching a lobotomized person and think "yep. This is working!"
This is actually terrifying to me, I can’t imagine having something as important as your literal cognitive ability to determine threats taken away
This is what they still do at mental health "treatment" and it is kind of the aim. The treatments pacify and dull the "patient" and hinder conginitive abilities. ECT is simply an electric shock to the brain, "side effects", meaning results, include brain damage and, as a consequence, diminished cognitive function. It is in principle very similar to the lobotomy. (Brain damage also can make some people more cheerful for a while, but this effect rarely lasts. Because the electric current travels through each brain differently each time, not all people are so hindered by that, similar to when people are hit by lightning for example, some survive better and some worse, but it doesn't diminish its dangerousness.) Some people appear "soothed" to others after that, but it often destroys them as a person. Many have lost their ability to work. Also for example antipsychotics have somewhat similar effects, they tend to make people more dull and they make many almost vegetative. They don't heal people, instead they increase patient mortality and chronic disablity. The patient is essentially viewed as a dangerous animal that needs to be put down, even if they've really done nothing wrong. They are simply viewed to be bothersome for others to deal with, and that is fundamentally the "problem" that is being solved - by just more or less annihilating them. The lives of patients are generally viewed as disposable. People don't tend to believe patients when they try to tell about this and how bad it has been for them, and lots of people assume medical field must have moved on nowadays, so it has just continued.
Thank you for sharing this!
" Face the fear, build the future."
-Lobotomy Corporation
Boohoo my adorable little nuggets died :(
I crave nuggets
You forgot to include the part where Dr Moniz was shot by a schizophrenic patient in 1939 after he suggested the surgical procedure he invented. This made Moniz bound to his wheelchair until his death in 1955
Oh man I love Ted-Ed!! Big fan here, Have watched lot of videos of yours!!
Watching this makes me realize how much my step dad really hated me. He talked about giving me a lobotomy all the time.
I like the new animation!!!
2 hours late. Glad i met a therapist before and after.
Bro became The Villain without ever wanting to and the worst part of all is that his legacy survived.
I am going through horrific depressive episode with and survived one suicide attempt after an insanely painful breakup. Right now I could give up anything and everything I own in this world to have this Lobotomy procedure despite everything said in this video. Only a person who has experienced or understands depression can understand where I’m coming from with this unpopular opinion. May God Heal me and all the broken like me.
I completely understand where you’re coming from, I thought about having a lobotomy as well. But the lobotomy would leave you as a husk of a person.
I think I’d rather have the right side of my amygdala removed. I won’t be able to feel fear which is a plus, but as with every surgery that messes with the brain it has its drawbacks.
Though I don’t care much considering my sense of fear would be gone, and even with the drawbacks it seems like a win for me.
Anxiety and I guess autism has caused me more depression than ever so I’d gladly remove my sense of fear at least for a bit less depression.
I don’t know how to end this so best of luck moving forward!
I was in that same place 14 years ago.
You can get out.
Try as many tools as you can find.
I managed to get out of that place with a combination of many things, starting with cognitive therapy and meds.
I then continued with other tools and lots of emotional work.
I've made major changes in my life and it was really worth it: I don't take meds anymore and my depression hasn't come back.
And remember nothing lasts forever: not even dark and pain.
@fadlah3482 please consider reading “The Body Keeps the Score.” The last 1/3 of it presents methods of healing. Maybe start there! Also, journaling & exercising are big helps. ✍🏼🏃🏻♀️🙏🏼
If I was born in a different time, I think I may have been the recipient of a lobotomy due to severe depression and anxiety.
The background music and animation are on point. 💯💯💯
Love your content guys ❤❤❤❤
honestly this video was very uncomfortable and unsettling to watch, but it really drove the point home of how bad lobotomy is. thank you.
5:57 someone should tell that to the biggest advocators of generative AI.
Unbelievable that this was allowed. Disturbing. Thank you for the video!
I only liked this because this is a very important lesson for society. The distorted piano music in the back was a great touch.
I recall a graffito I saw back in the 1970s: "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!"
This video makes you think... What procedures that we do today to help patients but will be viewed with horror in the future...
The rise and fall of the lobotomy are both fascinating and tragic, a stark reminder that science without ethics can cause irreversible harm. This story underscores the importance of accountability in medical progress!
Scientific progress without social progress is dangerous - as it can be wielded for good or bad depending on the interests of the system.
@@GTAVictor9128 never ever divorce science especially medicine from ethics. Science without ethics is not useless it is a scourge on society that would be better off not existing at all
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I was on the verge of tears seeing this and thinking of those who were affected by this procedure. I watched One fell over the Cuckoo Nest with Jack Nicholson, Bojack Horseman and read Rosemary Kennedy’s story about lobotomies and I can’t believe how an inhumane procedure was used to fix unwanted behavior which was probably mental health issues and or cognitive issues with could have been addressed with further research, therapy and medication. It didn’t help at the time the procedure was introduced image and what people thought was important among everything else.
Learning the mistakes of the past medical procedures helps us to prevent such mistakes to happen again and improve the medical profession.
It's regrettable that Egas Moniz received a Nobel Prize for the prefrontal leucotomy. Egas Moniz had been nominated several times before for a Nobel Prize for his many contributions to medicine such as the cerebral angiography for example.
Because of undergoing thia bizzare procedure, Rosemary Kennedy's IQ dropped from and 8 year old's to a 3 year old, and spent the rest of her life in sanitoriums relearning how to walk, talk, etc.
we could make a corporation about this
You Ruin the entire Library of babel
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Nearly too gruesome for me to sit through. So horrifying.
I'm so glad lobotomies ae no longer performed, I am worried that maybe antipsychotic drugs have harmful effects though, actually one thing I always wonder about is, old medical practices are usually seen by us as primitive or found to be unhealthy, does that mean that in the future today's medical practices will be spoken of the same way?
Some antipsychotic drugs most certainly do have harmful effects on the brain and the body (mostly after long term use)
I think you’re correct about the future because there’s always positive changes and everything is constantly evolving. As long as there are researchers, doctors, scientists, etc working to find what works better for certain illnesses and diseases, I feel like we will always look back and find old practices unhealthy, primitive - maybe even harmful and/or outdated!
Such terrifying times , this scared me so bad . 😢
Most nerving video TED ever made!
Please make more!
Man.... Sometimes I fear doctors
Awesome as always thanks ❤️
The editing is superior 🙂
I know about an old man who got lobotomised back in the 70s, he relived his memories from that place he got lobotomised every singel day begging his caretakers to not send him back
One of the best ted ed video
omg ive been waiting for this
In my other comment, I mentioned how I had to pull myself through, and I thought you might like to know how I did it. First I abandoned all religion, and blocked religion completely out of my mind. I told myself, there was no god to help me, no friends, no family, no doctors to help me. I was the captain of my ship, and I had to find the strength within me to take care of myself. I blocked out all of my auditory hallucinations, and I focused my mind on reality. Everything I touched, I told myself, that was reality, like a desk, a pen, a can of beans, literally everything around me. This put me progressively more and more into focus of reality. I only believed in things that I could prove to myself, were real. And this eventually brought me back into a semblance of normality, to where I got to feeling better about myself and was able to come up out of the depression. You must fight mental illness, you have to, you cannot give up and give in. Either control it, or it will control you.
Wasn’t expecting the unintentional horror with my learning today.
By far the scariest Ted ed video I've ever seen and I've watched these dudes for over a decade
As Dr. Myro said, "Alternative medicine that works, is medicine."
Best Ted Ed in a while! I had no idea about this procedure! And Transotbital through the eye just made me shudder to imagine! 😮
When I watched Bojack Horseman, I thought it wasn't even an actual procedure for it was inhumane. When I realized that it had actually been performed on many, it shook me to my core.
Knowing that they sometimes did this to women who wouldn't want to loose weight for their husband's, because "disobedience" was viewed by many as a mental illness back then is scary
As an autistic person it's scary to think i could have been in that situation
It's wild that in prior centuries ppl would just do cruel and abhorrent things in the guise of trying to cure or treat an illness. Now it's like they allowed you to do this to animals and human beings??? How? Really sad and enlightening.
こんな狂気の手術を思いついて、人間に施した外科医がノーベル賞を受賞したことが驚きだ。
The idea of putting an icepick in your head through your eye socket enough is terrifying to me.
😮, nice editing 😊
How can they even think people can be cured and live a normal life after such cruelty
I wonder what kinda medical practices we do now, will be looked at the same way we look at lobotomy now
Child mutilation and abortion
Male infant circumcision
Forcing incarcerated women to give birth while handcuffed to the hospital bed.
Stunting, brainwashing and mutilating children for liking the wrong color
@@stephgreen3070... should they be set free because they're pregnant? I don't get this
To think that This procedure was executed not so long ago is unsettling and scary.
Simple formula:
Never try out new inventions.
Let the other people use them if it works without any long term side effects.
Then you start using it.
how f’ed up are you
Moniz : yes
This was worse than any horror movie I’ve ever seen (all Saw - conjuring - Exorcist-… movies included)
I felt utter dread watching this get progressively horrific
The background music is quite ominous for sure
So creepy... to lose yourself that way, no, to have yourself TAKEN away from you...
If the inventors think it’s so good, they should undergo it themselves, then see if they can still write their research paper after that
This is the most terrifying TED-ED video i've seen 😬
"I'm not going without you, Mac. I wouldn't leave you this way. You're coming with me.. Let's go."
I wonder if modern treatments for mental illnesses like drugs or surgeries will later be viewed in the same way as lobotomies once we understand things better.
For me the other part of this story is what it must have been like to watch people suffer with severe psychosis and not be able to do anything about it. There were some pretty minimal lobotomies and they actually helped. Yes the cost might have been high but to many it was worth it. Aren't we lucky to live in a time when we can treat these diseases with medication!
1:17 Is that a nurse Ratched reference?
Maybe
There was a low-flying plane during the opening section of the video, and it sent vibrations through my body. That mix of internal rumbling and frightening descriptions was a uniquely menacing experience.