Stop Teaching BAD Wing Chun
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Wing Chun Kung Fu taught by Retired Police Officer and Tactics Expert, Dominick Izzo.
Dominick Izzo has been training Wing Chun since 1998 and has been teaching in the Chicago area since 2008. He was the first American Wing Chun instructor to be published and published in back to back issues in Wing Chun Illustrated.
He is known for his realistic, aggressive and combative approach to Wing Chun Kung Fu.
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Loi Lau Hoi Sung, Lat Sau Jik Chung (Receive what comes, follow what leaves, on loss of contact, rush in).
Forward pressure not leaning back Trappy Happy BS
The guy with the Mohawk and leather jacket was the real wing chun master in this video ;)
True I laughed really hard your review is the best.
Love it
Hey Dom, have you checked out Goksel Erdagon? He's a WSL (Ving Tsun) guy out of Germany. Like many of the guys in Germany, he's a killer and his last video discussed the truth of 50-50 structure. Good aggressive Wing Chun. Keep up the great content!!!
Never heard of Goksel just watched a few videos and definitely super high level and clearly WSL lineage just based on his movement alone. Thank you for introducing him to us.
@@robertsewell536 my pleasure.
@@waderogers776 After having gone through many of Goksel's videos he shot straight to the top of the very best martial artists I've ever witness no matter the style. Absolutely without any doubt another level just incredible.
Hi Izzo, I do like what you put out, for the most part lol, you won't like me as I do follow an older version of the 'twc' system. I try to learn something from everyone, that's just the way I look at things and I do enjoy your content. I started training twc in 91 from someone who learned in Australia, not from video like most. My Sifu taught different from what you see today, ie he moved into an attack not away. I was not taught to cheun sao like that. We did train the pak Sao from wrist to elbow but mostly elbow. In the case of the cheun sao, if you hit the wrist the threading arm moved in to the elbow and up to attack throat or eyes. If you look at old video footage compared to today things have changed, not necessarily for the better. Thanks for sharing, great content!
Great break down. You said everything there is to say. In a nice and polite way.
Red shirt is not facing black shirt's center when they make contact AND he then proceeds to INTENTIONALLY CROSS HIS OWN ARMS? Nope. One step forward by black shirt and red is completely trapped.
At least this part just looks like arm fighting and doesn’t disrupt him (his center) at all; inviting him to do some more offense. Take his spine(center,core) at the first touch and then keep the pressure on as you move through him.
I've seen TWC referred to as "long arm Wing Chun". This video is a good example of that. The central strategy is not forward pressure and to "take his space." The central strategy is to move to the blind side. That change is strategy has far-reaching consequences!
I've seen TWC referred to as a scam made up by a scam artist who blindly certified a ton of people so they could open schools and pay fees to him, this video is a good example of that.
It's been awhile since I've done any martial arts. I did some Tae Know Do many years ago. It was fun. This looks cool Dom!
Agree 100 Izzo. Good info.
This makes perfect sense! Many thanks :)
Can you realistically cover the bong sau? I've seen video after video of "movie" WC explanations of its use, but VERY few "practical" uses of the bong. 😉
Love Dave's energy he is very good at explaining his methods i just wish he also swallowed the opponents space whilst demonstrating lol.
Forward force true never chase the hands pak to the centre to upset structure just punch to divide force no elbow force relax so you arms are heavy
I notice the majority of wing chun people never work there stuff off western style shots
Izzo i want to discuss about sifu nino bernardo also if you can
First thing I thought too, don't pak at the wrist. Funny enough one of the first things I was taught in Wing Chun. Great breakdown and I feel it should be called out.
5:33 ya, it looks like he’s trying to worry about the back hand as if to know what the guys gonna do. Plans like that go wrong.
4:58 The correct way to use that type of two handed destruction is.. he should pak or fook on the wrist to forearm and the second hand sweeps the full forearm bone snd it touches the eyes on that same beat. We wouldn’t wanna have to be trying to score on a third beat like that.
Still would love to spar with you! I'm do Cheung's style...and would love to see where I fault at in my techniques! Wow life is short! Wish we could train! Respect for your opinions!
A friend share a video of some teacher showing why jkd/wing chu punching style was bad. And teahing the whole class way wrong punching. Kind of like a forward hammer punch
I think what a lot of people on all sides of that argument don't really see is that you move really REALLY fast. So size, strength, and speed, and everything else really does matter and factor in. Think about it Dominick a 7 or 8 year old child is not taking on a grown ass 215 pound man. From what I understand Wing Chun was designed for women in a literal farm out in a field to defend themself. I think that's why on Discovery Military channel Wing Chun type Kung Fu fighting was among the the most powerful weapons ?
Chin Sao is to be done with forwarding energy with the intent to strike. The vast majority of Wing Chun Movement should have the INTENT to hit. I want my opponent's bridge to collapse on my way across it.
I don't agree with the statement that any martial art, tactic, or technique can work depending on (circumstances). Yes, if you want to talk "possibility" then anything is possible. I could do a no touch ki knockout on the corpse from Weekend at Bernies. Ok, that's an exaggeration but as someone who is 185 lbs, sure, I could impose my will on someone who is 90 lbs, meek, and has never trained in their lives.
However when we talk pragmatically about practical martial arts, or self defence, then we are talking about "probability" rather than possibility. We talk about techniques that have low risk to high payoff ratio. That is to say, that it is a simple but effective move that works in most circumstances. A panacea move which is easy to learn and easy to apply under many circumstances.
Sure, you can spend your lifetime attempting to master a complex technique but that is in pursuit of mastering a style or technique but there is no guarantee it will work. There is a difference between mastering a martial arts style or technique and gaining competence for combat sport, or self defence. The two can be interrelated but also mutually exclusive. Example: A wushu athlete will spend over a decade mastering a competition form. We can say that they have "mastered" the form or technique for their specific objectives. But they couldn't fight themselves out of a paper bag. Similar with a black belt master in something esoteric like iaido (ceremonial art of drawing the katana). They could be a master in every detail of movements from exact placement of their hands and feet, to controlled draw of the sword. They are a master in iadio. But let's be frank, they would get killed in duel with an Olympic fencer using real sabers, or against a kendo master wielding a real katana.
Mastering a martial art style is about learning a system but most elite competitive fighters may know a range of techniques but they will only use a handful that work for them most of the time: their A-game. Therefore, I would disagree that ANY martial art, tactic, or technique can work.
At the same time, I will concede that with enough practice that very highly complex movement can work. it's not "bullshido". BJJ has a whole bunch of techniques - like berimbolos, and spinning 360 degree armbar from lasso guard, to flying armbars - which would be absolutely "bullshido" due to their overcomplexity and also that it favors people with specific lanky, flexible body types. But they do work because they are drilled and practiced against a resisting opponent. So, yes, then I would agree that you can increase the payoff to risk ratio by honing a move or tactic that requires complex movements.
And this is the dilemma of wing chun (specifically talking about the ubiquitous Hong Kong style wing chun or ving chun that is part of the Ip Man family tree). It is far too complex in its movement, and taught far too literally and pedantically to adhere to certain principles (centerline, bridging, gates) according to the forms: tan sao must be placed exactly like this or that and used only to block an outside, punch, etc.
No, I contend that if wing chun had ever been truly an organic and effective fighting style that was purported to be easy to learn and highly effective then it probably looked a lot different. I would guess it probably looked more similar to muay Thai. Believe it or not muay Thai shares a lot of strategy as wing chun. MT (and its parent muay Boran) is traditionally a close range system where you bang in the pocket. It uses clinching to control aggressive attacks (trapping is clinching) including controlling the arms. It has a defensive long guard which functions like man sao to bridge with the opponent to either push them away, or measure the distance so you can counterattack.
Man I love the breakdowns. I showed my 3yr old (he's in TWD) your chop to the neck, come up with an elbow and then punch the shit out of his core. He was just amazed. Sifu Izzo, I might have an opportunity to learn Wing Chun from a student of Ip-Ching. Would you say this is a massive opportunity or you just won't know until you train? Thanks.
2 funny the way he shoots his arm up, He should be shooting towards the enemies face instead lol
4:27 Ya, looks like a KARATE “Shooto” technique. He’s splitting the difference between our CHIN SAO BUI GEE which is just a simple way of switching hands to continue attacking, and a KARATE/KALI destruction. It would work if his second hand was on the eyes NOT STRAIGHT UP. When he started though, before he switched sides. He did it wrong. I saw several suspect things on his site already. He seems knowledgeable, but he makes crucial fundamental errors.
Gojo Ryu karate was created from mainly wing Chun and white crane kung Fu. So yes actually many many wing Chun techniques/concepts were carried over into karate
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 very good.. glad to see somebody payed attention.🥊💥💯
@@JKDVIPER yes lol, not just that I've done wing Chun and other kung Fu for around 12 years now, but I also took karate and tkd before that.
@@JKDVIPER but yes I've also studied the real miyagi who founded karate and tons of other martial arts I have not personally trained in
5:25 that technique is pissa.. you can even just deliberately push the bladed hand right in .. it drives over the bridge and pins his arm real nice. But he points it up in the air instead?
6:04 Trying to rip a SHOOTO type deflection (which is all he’s really doing in that video) is really foolhardy. The opponent will pull his hand back and or reapply, either way. Trying to rip a shooto without forward control is bad business
PREACH IZZO! PREACH!
When you gonna do the Lawrence Kenshin why Wing Chun gets destroyed?
This is one of the best Wingchun channels out there! Guys should also check out Adam Willis, another awesome teacher!
that's not traditional wingchun... william cheung isn't traditionnal wingchun...
you are saying the traditional song of wingchun,
keep center line, always go forward, pak in the middle of forearm, follow the retreating arm, get contact with finger tip and boom strike in at tha motion with all you step punching into with your rear leg, stay soft as long as possible and contract a fajing only for a brief moment of impact.
9:50 ⚠️See that “Chin Sao?” Ok, picture long n right into the outside eye. Force in a poke. At contact it just slices in to that closest eye ball. So he’d PAK or FOOK back handed (back left) let’s say. Right front hand is a sword right through any grab or punch. A direct blade in the eye. Slides right over the forearm like a FOOK but goes all the way. It’s even possible to field the energy, by receiving with the back hand (a swiping motion coming towards our body) collecting his energy, while the front right hand uses his own left as a bridge. 💥💯
Pls more video like this 👌true opinion on fake teaching
Sifu Izzo what is your honest opinion on the Ip Man lineage and his sons/grandmasters teachings? I’m talking reality of course, not Hollywood. Also, fun fact; did you know Donnie Yuen was in a Star Wars movie?
Rogue One
@@IzzoWingChun I am one with the force and the force is with me!
i ask myself which lineage is the most effective? ip chun wong sheung leung, Chu Shong-tin?
Try Leung Sheung and Pan Nam. Those you mentioned are excellent.
Doesn't siu leem tao teach never touch yourself. 4:08?
8:25 I think that guy is knowledgeable, but he should have known to pressure forward.
lol so his wingchun is all sight based and reactive... no chisao since he avoid contact!
all what make wing hcun wingchun is discarded...
you pak in the middle of the forearm to control and by control it means sensing and being aware by touch of every little change in motion to allow adaptation...
touch is faster than the eyes, that's the ONLY reason to train chisao it's to train yourself to feel the footwork and body shift with the contact rather your eyes.
then wingchun is about mimimal movement and minimal extention to not compromise yourself, telegraph as less possible.
that chin sao is bs...
why that an not go with tan?!!
and assoon as your tan get contact your pack is free to go forward.
it's even easier to turn a tan into a lap or a jut or a pack or a bong...
that technic isn't wc, it look like muaythai.
that's another dude predending to do wingchun but is just doing boxing with fancy arm technics... they don'T understand the tactical root of what make wing chun... wingchun.
it's so strange, wingchun is hourglass stance full facing stance, agressive forward minimal direct line focusing style... it's not karate, it's not kickboxing, there is a reason for the basic stance.
If you want to see good wing Chun, look up Sifu Henry Araneda , Applied Wing Chun, Australia.. he’s the real deal
There's better wing-chun especially in Australia like the BLVTMAA
Pad up , free spar ( a lot , every session ) and find out what works .
The only truth in all fighting styles .
7:13 Dominick is right.
This is what i call Matrix Chun, there is no point in Reality, where this would work. Olnly if you have a stillt Stand9ng , not moving, one Armed enemy...
8:04 Ok, so now see his shooto block two handed. Now try putting your fingers in the outside eye instead of up in the air? It sets up a punch. That’s Viper JKD all day. I actually teach that move to anyone that’s nerdy for jkd wing chun kali.. all that good shhhhh.
he is also crossing his arms in a hideous way...
Probably the worst Wing Chun instructional I've ever seen in my life
Koom
Seeing so many tik tok videos with bad wing chun. It makes me cringe when I see them just randomly hitting the arms really fast and people going that is amazing. I can tell that this shit they are doing is gonna lead them to being knocked out.