Demona Is Her Own Worst Enemy
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- And now I honor, perhaps my all time favorite villain, that genocidal gargoyle, the crazy red-head herself... Demona!
She is just such a well developed character. Well rounded, tragic, and downright Shakespearian. Great design, and Marina Sirtis was perfectly cast in the role... just as well cast as Mark Hamill was as the Joker.
"What have I... What have THEY done!"
That line pretty much sums up a large part of her character. She likes to see herself as a Magneto-like figure, but almost everything bad that has happened to her is completely her own fault, but she will never take responsibility for her actions, preferring to blame everyone else around her, especially humanity (a Shakespearean-esque fatal flaw).
And then we see the Hunter leap onto the same logic, completing the never ending circle.
John Canmore, who later on became John Castaway said the exact same thing when he shot his brother Jason.
They love their Shakespeare in this show. It makes it
She'd make a great politician
Thats a woman for you.
She knows what she did was wrong to her clan. Notice how she almost said, "what have I done" and how quickly she said "what have they done". She feels guilty but rather than face it, she shifts the blame to humans. The humans may have swung the mace, but she gave them the opportunity.
Yup. Ultimately all the misery she's experienced is in one way or another her own fault, but she'll never acknowledge it due to her own crippling shame and guilt that she keeps buried under grief and rage.
+Mirnum007-She never told the clan there was a planned sack on the castle to where they went to sleep not knowing what was even going to happen. She had a chance to at least warn Coldstone/Othello and Desdemona but she refused to tell them anything. Perhaps because she felt they would side with Goliath on this and try to stop her if they knew. She believed this was the best course of action for everyone, damn if they agree or not. She and their human ally didn't realize they were going to be betrayed by the Vikings as badly as they were, but she had a feeling it could happen. And didn't do anything to prevent it except to save herself.
She was the one who created the original Hunter and created the Duncan/Canmore family line of Hunters who continued to hunt and kill several more gargoyles. Her betrayal of MacBeth cost the gargoyles who followed her their lives. And her actions helped create Jon Castaway who created the Quarrymen, even more militant figures dedicated to eradicating all gargoyles.
She has caused so much suffering to many gargoyles and humans. She destroyed MacBeth's entire life just for knowing her and aiding her. Her actions led to most of her clan getting slaughtered. And she can't accept the responsibility for it in any way, always shifting the blame to someone else, anyone else. Most of the time it's humans but she's willing to blame gargoyles for her own actions. She can't accept that she is the same monster she claims to be fighting against and never will accept it.
Fera Flauna it’s amazing how one wrong decision in the past can have a ripple effect in the future. It’s a lesson some of us learn the hard way
Sounds like my ex’s defense mechanism lol
@feraflauna3238 I don't think she had anything to with the Quarrymen since the Hunter triplets made a false news report about Goliath and the clan destroyed the clock that started these hammer swingers
The tragedy of Demona is that she cannot let go of her hatred of humanity, because it is her coping mechanism for dealing with her grief and regret. Letting go of that hate would be the same as admitting that she was the one responsible for everything that happened. Doing so would destroy her, emotionally.
Demona is Just Like Magneto
She has lived most of her life hating humans. Even before the betrayal where most of the Scottish clan was slaughtered, she had an immense hatred and distrust of humans. Where she was never able to completely trust anyone outside of maybe Goliath. And even then, she had a hard time understanding, let alone accepting his decisions as a leader.
She has lived that way for so long, consumed by that hatred and misery that she has inflicted, that that is all she knows. She doesn't know to live any other way. To where all attempts to get her to acknowledge and come face to face with herself has failed. "What have I. . .what have THEY done to you?"
The Weird Sisters' curse on her only allows her to forever live that same life of hatred and misery without any release of mortality to stop her. Puck cursed her to be human during the day, knowing it would be the very thing she despised, and maybe, he hoped it would get her to realize what being human was like. All it did was make Demona despise humans even more. Because changing her into a human during the day only changes her appearance. It does nothing to change the "person" she is inside.
Even when she meets her own daughter, and her daughter wants to have a relationship with her, she can't let go of her immense hatred even for her daughter. Even when Angela explains Katherine, The Magus, and Tom saved her and the rest of the hatchlings' lives. And Angela wouldn't be alive if not for them. She wants her daughter to join her, to feel every bit of hatred that she does, and all it does is drive Angela further away from her. Demona will probably never know or have a relationship with her grandchildren-Angela and Broadway's children-because she can't, will not let go of the same thing she has lived for most of her life.
And unlike MacBeth, she can't accept that there is something better. When MacBeth met Goliath again, Goliath encouraged him that MacBeth can be happy again if he wants to be. He can have a life worth living again, rather than always seeking to die. Demona is permanently trapped by her own hatred to where she will not want to live any other way.
@@jalenikezeue4114 Magneto is a bit more compassionate and has more of a heart. And I think Magneto is more sad and broken. He witnessed some of the worst atrocities humankind has ever inflicted on each other. He lost his entire family. He barely survived the Holocaust.
And unlike Demona, he actually did try to live among regular humans after that. Encouraged by Xavier, he really wanted to believe that there was a best in humanity he wasn't seeing. He truly wanted to see what Xavier saw.
But the regular humans he met repeatedly failed him. He didn't see humanity as getting better and more accepting. To where over time, he just. . .gave up. He didn't see a way for regular humans and mutants to co-exist and in fact, several humans kept on "proving" to him that there wasn't a chance of true co-existence and peace. Xavier kept asking him, pleading with him to keep giving humanity a chance, give them more time, and Magneto finally asked, "Well, WHEN is that time going to happen?" And not even Xavier could answer that.
Magneto is more of a "good guy playing for the wrong side." He means well, and he cares very deeply about his followers usually, but he just goes about things entirely the wrong way. Demona is too selfish and completely self motivated. And one major thing is that Magneto went to extremes only after he was pushed that far and felt he had no other way to achieve peace for mutants. Demona always looked for the extremes, always looked for a reason to betray humans, always looked for a reason to validate why she never trusted anyone.
@@feraflauna3238 I Wise Demona would Let the Flames inside Of Her Go And Find Peace
@@jalenikezeue4114
Demona is worse than Magneto.
Magneto fights humans because he wants to protect mutants.
Demona doesn't care anymore about other gargoyles (except Angela).
She wants to kill all humans simply because she hates them.
That single phrase: “The access code is… *alone* “…will ALWAYS get me. Because that one word sums up her entire fate. She chose to betray her clan. She chose to betray Macbeth. She chose to turn her back on Goliath. Deep down, she knows that if she took responsibility for those choices, she could make peace with her past and start healing. But she’s too proud and stubborn, and constantly looking for someone else to blame. And in that, she is, and always will be…alone…
... like trump
@@har8397 Bite your tongue. Demona's nowhere *near* that awful.
@@Gogoglovitch Yeah. Demona was always trying to ensure that her clan would survive. Trump? More like making sure HE survives.
@@har8397 It amazes me how rent free one man can be
The tears tells you in her heart she knows she is wrong but believes it is a matter of survival. The centuries of being hunted and having her mind destroyed.
"You've learned nothing"
Yes, we all heard him.
@@Dane_Youssef But it bears repeating.
Poor Demona trapped in a cycle of suffering of her own making.
Zachary Hawley yep her own personal dark nightmare.
She won't. She won't change. 'Cause she can't. She won't, and she can't.
The Story of Gargoyles from 13:30 to 14:10 if she would’ve known the eggs 🥚 were moved to Avalon and the gargoyles wasn’t smashed a castle wavering she would never had a black heart
@@Blueman2018 Maybe or maybe not. Angela did reveal to Demona that Katherine, The Magus, and Tom scurried them to safety where the humans raised her and the other gargoyle children like their own, and Demona dismissed it. She was still beyond furious that her own child was raised by humans, and I don't think Demona would've ever accepted it that a human would've taken in a clan like that. It was always too unthinkable for her.
Demona always hated humans and had an immense distrust of them. She wanted to attack Katherine when Katherine openly insulted the clan in their presence and it was only Goliath that held her back. Goliath was the one who was always willing to co-exist with humans, even if it was just for a mutual survival among the races, but Goliath hoped for even better where gargoyles and humans could live together.
I'm not sure how Hudson really felt about that prospect but he trusted and understood Goliath's judgment. The "kids" were afraid of humans but didn't really hate them. Demona did and she didn't understand why Goliath was willing to live with humans like this. She only agreed to honor his decision because he was the clan's leader and her love.
Demona always had a disdain for humans, so much so she agreed to sack the castle. She was a part of that plan. She didn't go back at sunrise because she didn't even trust that human ally enough. So when the sack went bad and most of the clan was decimated and wiped out, with Goliath and the others trapped in an eternal stone sleep, it shattered whatever good heart she still had.
To her, it confirmed every worse thing she ever believed about humans. Refusing to acknowledge her responsibility in what happened. If Demona had known Katherine, the Magus, and Tom were planning on escaping with the eggs to safety, she would've slaughtered them and took the eggs for herself. Where they would be raised to hate humans just as much as she does. And they may have been killed like the rest of Demona's second clan when she turned against MacBeth.
Pity she could not let go of her hatred of humanity. Nearly every threat to the Gargoyles that has risen she inadvertently created all because of her hatred towards mankind.
Demona really brings out the whole "You are your own worst enemy" to a literal sense.
Fitting that Puck cursed her to turn human during the day.
Don't forget Lars from Eurovision: Fire Saga
Demona was killer gargoyles as a killer monster, that's why she murders her ex-husband and includes elisa who she knew is jealous of them.
"What have I... What have they done to you!!!" Her inability to accept the enormity of her guilt is tear inducing. Well done writers and voice actresses!!!
The "funny" thing is: With the Phoenix Gate in her hands, she could've avoided all of this. She could've simply traveled back to that moment, where she tried her first failed intrigue. She could've told her younger self and the Captain of the Guard, that her plan didn't work.
But by doing that, she must had admit to herself, that SHE is the only one to blame for anything, that happend from there on. But for that, she first had to get rid of her hatred for humanity and herself
She lost two clans, yes. But while she didn't swing the mace, it was her arrogance, and her betrayal that put them there. Who was she to go behind Goliath's back like she did? I get why she did it, but the massacre would not have happened without her participation. And as for Macbeth... he wasn't going to betray her, she should have waited an extra few seconds. And she put her clan at Canmore's mercy. She did it to herself.
GregXB3 the humans before the massacre where assholes to gargoyles true but they woulf never kill them the vikings demora allied with where monster's
Reminds me of an old Aesop fable, where a horse becomes the property of a hunter, because the horse wanted the hunter to kill another animal.
On the other hand: 1000 years later Gargoyles are pretty much extinct everywhere (with a few exceptions in Japan and the Amazon). This and the way the Gargoyles were treated makes it pretty obvious, that Goliaths way would most likely also have ended in the Gargoyles destruction at some point in the conflict between human waring against each other.
The young Demona was a realist who saw the the destructive nature of humans, but chose the wrong solution.
@@0ntimetaiment921 And she got her clan killed. History doesn't operate on one might have happened... Goliath didn't get his clan killed; Demona did.
@@GregXB3 True. But Goliath also did not have a plan to make sure the Gargoyles of Scotland would not face the same fate as all the others.
I think Demona judged the humans better than Goliath.
Call me a pessimist, but I do not see a scenario in which they could have survived the 1000 years to come without living in hiding.
Demona is the most complex creature known in animation. You pity her, love her and yet could kinda relate to her in a way.
+cherrieblossomgurl Indeed, and yet despite all that I can't excuse her. In the end, she did it all to herself.
+GregXB3 exactly!
I actually seem to recall reading somewhere that one of the subplots of the planned final season would have been Demona reluctantly reforming and rejoining her clan in order to be closer to her daughter
Kinda makes sense because in one episode where Goliath, Elisa and Angela went to the future Demona was with the clan.
cherrieblossomgurl That wasn't a real future at all. It was an illusion created by Puck.
"The access code is.. Alone." 13:29
Man, that is one of the saddest moments I remember growing up. 20 years later I found this video trying to track down that one scene.
Great stuff GregXB3, thanks!
I second that. Plus I like how "access code" could also be interpreted as a metaphor (or something, not a literary expert) for her soul, her state. Ah, I ruined it - simply wanted to ponder on what else could"access code" mean.
Best show. Never really sern something go this deep. Macbeth, illuminati, eye of oden? "How does it feel to be so close to death and rejuvnation at the same time?" Kids show? These quotes have been hardwired still remember...
Very sad indeed, the cartoon was way ahead of itself us.
they literally do not make them like this anymore. That moment is all the more epic and powerful knowing that it is at the very end of a crazy 3 part episode with tons of insightful backstory. The storytelling, voice acting, animation and music in this show are incredible. I am not embarrassed at all to admit I enjoy it as an adult.
3:34 Damn, Demona just straight up murders 2 people in a Disney cartoon.
now that is what cartoon shows should do...death, murder
she murdered about 1000 people the night the humans turn to stone
zan w i wonder what she's like in bed.
+princeofdarknessxyz1 no. as a human or gargoyle
Plowbeast Back in the good old days when they had balls.
"The code is...ALONE"
*pow* Right in the feels.
poor Demona
Dude I have not watch this series in years. I rememberd that password and said it exactly as she said it. One of the most memorable moments of the whole show.
+DawCawAnalyst-This is the only true time I legitimately feel sorry for Demona. And I think it's a too brief glimpse into the "humanity" she actually hides inside. She sacrificed everything for her blood feud with humans, she lost everyone that ever mattered to her. Goliath is very much her heart and with him gone, I think that's a big reason why she became so monstrous. Where she turned even against him-he didn't change. She did. Losing him broke her. It made her lose what compassion and heart she ever did have.
She dedicated her life to destroying humans, never even completely trusting MacBeth, her closest human ally, because she always suspected he would turn against her too eventually. And when it looked even remotely like MacBeth did, even though he never did, Demona was willing to severe their alliance completely.
Demona can't trust anyone. She loves no one anymore. And her endless need for vengeance has left her with no one and nothing where she is all alone. And deep down, she acknowledges that is all she ever has. This is the one of the only few times in the series she is willing to cry openly.
The Weird Sisters only show her, remind her of what she already knows. They probably had their own motivation for doing so, they probably needed to break her enough so they could take over her mind. But they definitely knew where to hit and hit in the heart of what Demona truly knows. What she usually refuses to admit and accept. Because after the spell is lifted, she shrugs this off that she was just under a spell, nothing more. She will never let go of her hate as long as she lives. And as long as the Weird Sisters curse is in effect, she can live forever that way, miserable and always alone.
I saw it as a Child in german and they dubbed it "Alarm" wich means "Alert", guess the Translators it would be too dark for the Audience to translare directly, it hitted me right in the Feels years later when i understood English
"it is nature of humankind to fear they do not understand"
true in every sense
Merete Nora so true and even Storm said that in X-Men to Jubilee that people fear what they don't understand.
+Merete Nora yeah indeed, it's very true, we as humans feel we're so superior, we are somewhat but just like super heroes i.e. superman, sci-fi- star trek- Vulcans, andorians etc. or gargoyles-gargoyles, that all these beings are fictional supposedly, it does raise a interesting point that we're not alone and there is presumably something superior than humankind. instead of befriending it, we fear it because we don't understand.
+Merete Nora true fear blinds us cripples the mind to change turns any kind creature into a beast of anger and hate
Blake Hamilton so true and she reminds me of Phaeton from ExoSquad, because both of them were genocidal to humans.
stainshield reminds me of countless characters I've seen in various series
This proves Xanatos right when he says revenge is a sucker's game.
Indeed you are so consumed with making someone pay you miss out on possible opportunities to make your life better
What true Karma is ourselves
@@謎思特異 Very true. You always get back what you put out. Sucker's game indeed, you really win nothing but bad.
And that is why Xanatons, even he is over a millennium younger then Demona, a lot wiser then her. He knows, that revenge leads to nothing then an endless circle. Demona herself was the best example of that.
@@Anthyrion So Xanatos indirectly called Demona a sucker? He's worked with her on so many occasions too! 😆
Demona is interesting because you get the feeling that she has to keep hating the humans because to face the reality, that all of her problems are in part because of her own actions, it would probably destroy her. She can never get past the idea that she knows more than anyone else, we saw that in the flashback for the Archmage where she kept trying to convince Goliath to take command from Hudson, it's always about what she wants and what she thinks she deserves, we saw this even more when she had the chance to warn some of her clan about the viking attack during the day but instead she did nothing.
+Bucket Think Tank-Right. Exactly. Demona is permanently trapped in the tragedy of her own making where she can't even have the "mercy" of death to free her from how much pain she actually has. The immense guilt and trauma that her actions have led to the deaths of far more gargoyles than humans ever have. She can't reconcile that, accept that. She has to believe that what she has done led to something better, even if she has been left with no one and nothing. Where she can't even have a relationship with her daughter because of who she is.
Demona hates everyone but she hates herself even more deep down. She can't live with herself and yet, due to the curse, she has to, forever, or until MacBeth finally kills her to release them both from the curse. And she has too much pride to want to die at the hands of a sworn enemy.
Demona was always a flawed individual. Self motivated, selfish, willing to butt heads, shirks against authority, and doesn't allow herself to trust anyone, human or gargoyle. She was going to attack Katherine when Katherine openly insulted the gargoyles and would've if Goliath didn't hold her back. She kept on coaxing Goliath to take over from Hudson because she saw him as too old and too unfit for leadership. And she was probably always like that even before Goliath met her.
When she knew Goliath and she loved him, where they saw each other as eternal soulmates, it was really Goliath that allowed her to share her heart more to where she was a little bit more compassionate and considerate. And when Goliath was stuck in a permanent stone sleep until the spell was lifted, that was really when Demona lost all of that heart and compassion.
Because when Demona went back in time to encourage her younger self to join her in her vengeance, the younger Demona couldn't do it. Even when Demona proved what was going to happen, her younger self refused to join her, because Goliath showed her even the potential of something better. She believed in better with Goliath and was a better individual because of Goliath. It was her love for him once where she was willing to try to be better.
But all of that is gone now. Demona is no longer even the woman Goliath loved once. Where she hates even him because she changed. He didn't. He's still a good individual. She is not.
Demona couldn't warn her clan about the Viking attack because it would have exposed her as being part of that plan.
@@Elly3981 Or she could have lied about eavesdropping on the captain about his plan.
@@davidcaldwell4916 True. I guess Demona panicked in the moment and probably didn't think of it.
@@Elly3981 She was always hasty and never thought things through most of the time. Demona thinks she knows best due to living 1000 years walking the Earth, but she learned nothing, she never gained knowledge or wisdom, her growth as a person was stunted long before she became linked with Macbeth.
She is basically the reason why the show even exists
Aren't there any other villains in the show besides Demona or Xanatos?
@@canadavatarplenty but theyre the main villans
Sure kid
@@Pottasium92 bruh
Xanathos is the main reason...he spent a fortune importing that castle to Manhattan breaking that sleep curse
Disney never tried something like this again... Best Cartoonshow ever made..with Avatar the last Airbender.
...and i feel really sorry for her.
"Disney never tried something like this again". What about Gravity Falls?
TheJustin4848 Disney got rid of that after the first season and it's sub channel DIsney XD had to pick it up
Disney should tries to make a complex character like Demona.
Umm...Gargoyles the show is made by Disney.
Marina Sirtis or the Gargoyle? Ahahaha!
Her murdering all those stone people disturbed me even as a kid, and it does still now.
The only way they could murder some people and still keep it G to PG
@@EbonFang_92 That is also why Klingon blood was pink in Star Trek The Undiscovered Country, so it could be shown on screen! According to the show, there was other intelligent life such as Minotaur's, I think Centaurs which lived on New Olympus. Demon's operation 'Clean Slate' would have killed them also!
Imagine that lady coming back to life to suddenly not have any arms...like a living nightmare
@@pwnranger3496imagine waking up and suddenly bleeding to death from your shoulders
* shivers *
She always reminded of Mystique, both appearance and personality. Crazy how similar Gargoyles and X-men were in terms of the divide between humanity and metahuman along with the constant fear and intolerance they hold towards them
She Look's like Queen Beryl from Sailor Moon.
Both are my favorites!!!
I'm sure there is fan art on Deviantart art of Demona dressed as Mystique.
AND THESE VOICE ARE FREAKING STAR TREK!
People kinda shit look at X:TAS as corny these days, and the animation is defintely dated, but that show had some pretty heavy ass themes and scenery. Wolverine and the X-Men was really good its first season, wish it kept on going
This poor girl. She turned her self into a monster blaming humans because she can't face her real enemy. Herself.
This scene at 13:37 explains how deluded and tragic Demona is.
The Weird Sisters: But who betrayed your clan? And who caused this pain?
Demona: The Vikings destroyed my clan.
*ME: No, it’s you, Demona.*
The Weird Sisters: Who betrayed the castle to the Vikings?
Demona: The Hunter hunted us down.
*ME: That’s a lie, you did it!*
The Weird Sisters: Who created The Hunter?
Demona: Canmore destroyed the last of us.
*ME: Again, that was you, Demona! You created The Hunter!*
The Weird Sisters: Who betrayed Macbeth to Canmore?
*ME: It’s YOU, Demona. Everything you done, you created this cycle in the first place!*
That scene is so well written. i remember it decades later. The Weird Sisters are basically doing the Socratic method mixed with sorcery.
@@NepthuYep, Demona always assumes the worst of people and backstabs them preventively. When it turns out her decisions created all her suffering, she diverts guilt. She is too prideful to learn, too hateful to prosper.
Took a nap, scarred a kid, ate some fruit... it was a good day.
Demona really is her own worst enemy but I do wonder how her story would've gone if she didn't betray Macbeth
+Mrthe jayvion-It is very well established she always had a tenuous agreement with MacBeth to where she never entirely trusted him. She was always looking for any reason to sever their alliance, anything out of place, any wrong move, she was ready to betray him.
With that fragile of an alliance, her cooperation with the MacBeth family would never have lasted. If MacBeth's son had assumed the throne if everything went to plan, I don't think Demona would've taken too kindly to that. She had a tenuous trust of MacBeth but she clearly didn't hold any love or recognition for MacBeth's wife and son.
MacBeth's son would've assumed the throne when he was still relatively young. MacBeth probably would've asked Demona to respect him and honor him. But Demona would dismiss him as a nobody not worthy of respect and recognition. He wouldn't have what it would take to be a leader in her eyes. She would see him as unfit.
And MacBeth's family wasn't on the best terms with Demona and the gargoyles either where they didn't entirely trust her. They just respected MacBeth's decision on the matter. But once MacBeth stepped down from leadership, I don't think his son would've been as thrilled to keep up the alliance with the gargoyles.
And due to being young and not trusting the gargoyles, he would be too brash, too openly brazen around Demona. Try to show her who was boss, and she. . .wouldn't take kindly to that. Even if he was MacBeth's son. I think their alliance would've eventually shattered one way or another, because Demona wasn't willing to fully ever trust anyone.
@@feraflauna3238 Demona and MacBeth are eternals; Even if they fight for a thousand years, nothing is stopping them from making up on year 1001. They are bound together in ways mortals will never understand. Parted, they become deathseekers but if they stayed together for a millennium, they'd become unseen guardians uniting those that seek the light.
The Wyrd sisters... and later Puck, that bastard... gave them potential for near Godhood but Demona squandered it out of hatred and paranoia and she left MacBeth just feeling old and tired of life. In the end, Goliath gave MacBeth a light of hope that he could still love life yet.
Eventually and I mean EVENTUALLY MacBeth will redeem Demona because, let's face it, Demona doesn't hate MacBeth at all.
13:57 This is why being a tsundere and immortal doesn't mix.
When you realise that her paranoia and dislike for humans started all. She wanted a better life for her clan and she tried to do that in a radical way that failed. She is a villain born from trauma.
The greatest thing of this show is to teach us that nobody sees themselves as a villain. But most villains are in fact anti-heroes in pain.
"They will learn to respect your kind."
"I would rather they fear me."
Machivelli would have been proud to hear he was understood a few centuries early. Though I'm not sure how Demona would feel knowing that a human agreed with her philosophy...
Machiavelli also said that if you cannot be loved, you should take care to at least not be hated, because you'll never have stability or success if you are both feared and hated.
@@2wingo Yes. Macchiaveli was master of manipulation, not bloodlusting terrorist.
@@2wingo and Demona always go to "Genocide Option", so Mike probably call her a "stupid little shit".
Marina Sirtis was so brilliant as Demona. Hard to believe this is the same person who played nice girl Deanna Troi on Star Trek:TNG.
And Matriarch Benezia (RIP) from Mass Effect.
everfaraway1
Jonathan Frakes who played her lover Riker is Xanathos
And Brent [Data] Spiner was Puck.
And cold stone is voiced by Michel Dorn who played Worf from Star Trek TNG/DS9
Spiner also voices Owen. Katie Mulgrew ( Capt. Janeway) voiced Tatania.
a part of me feels a bit sad/pity for demona but the other part of me feels that she is really really her own worst enemy.
she blames everyone else for her own problems.
much like Trump.
A lot of people blame everyone but themselves for their own problems.
Even though Demona cannot let go of the hatred of the humans. But we must remember hate is not the answer
@pendraco2000 I wonder, does he still live rent free in your head?
Demona: "Humans are bad because people want to kill us, as they think we are bloodlust monsters!"
Also Demona: killing random humans, because they are humans.
Technically she just proven that people were right to afraid her specie.
Ah, 1990's animation! When Frank Paur directed this show for Disney animation he not only introduced an adult sensibility to this series but he also managed to show the power of hand drawn animation! Now there are no daytime cartoons on the networks and there is almost all computer generated everything! I get nostalgic for the 20th century!
Funny, because there actually have been hand drawn cartoons to come out over the past few years and cartoons during day time television.
I thought this was a different video. The animation in this series is great.
It’s also animated by TMS who did Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, Rescue Rangers, Batman and Superman the Animated series. Did I mention Lupin the Third and Detective Conan.
This is perhaps the only villain in animation, that I actually feel really sympathetic to.
In her mind, she is doing the right thing for her and her clan. (Vader anyone) She lives in this "Half Truth" existence. Things have happened, by her hand or not, that has turned her eyes to this direction. There are several episodes that show this to be true. Then there is her own need to seek vengeance for what has happened to her in the past, as well as what has happened from her own hand. Honestly though, when one looks at several of the points where she is faulted (Destruction of her clan) she is only half to blame. Had she NOT conspired with the captain, they may have lived, or they might all be dust. No one would have survived.
With Macbeth, given her history, hearing that he would actually consider turning her over, is what put her over the edge into desertion and betrayal.
It is hard not to see her as anything more than a tragic character....whether by her doing or not.
Demona acts like she hates humanity
where in reality she really just hates herself
"Demona Is her Own Worst Enemy." Dude, you couldn't be anymore right. All the evil that's happened to her and her love ones was done by her own self. All the quest for vengeance leads her nothing but pure misery!
The only Gargoyle I feel sad for is Angela, her daughter. Angela, on behalf of all the good guys in the world and RUclips, I'm sorry. (puts hand on Angela.)
Yes! Someone else that likes Angela! (My favorite character.)
Kinako Ishiyama I mesnt "puts hand on Angela's shoulder." She's also my my favorite character.
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dog453679 Yeah, I figured that was what you meant. :)
If there was a trope that would accurately describe Demona, it would be the one: "Never My Fault" mixed with a *LOT* of "Fantastic Racism".
She blames Humanity for her own problems because of the overwhelming guilt and shame she would feel if she were to admit that her pride and mistrust caused the downfall of their race.
And her bitterness is the natural way vengeance goes after all: An endless cycle of hatred and misery, nothing more.
It's doubly ironic because she ends up becoming the very thing she despises: Human.
You can thank Puck for that last one.
Goliath: I cannot make War on an entire world. Doesn’t Xanatos prove that there are good humans as well as bad?
Demona: Then their descendants shall pay. I will have blood for blood.
Later on after she fires off the bazooka.
Goliath: [to Demona] There is good and evil in all of us, human and gargoyle alike. *You* should know that more than anyone. Don't you see, none of this would have happened if it weren't for you.
Watching that episode again and seeing the trio and Hudson’s expression of seeing a former ally turn like that.
Marina Sirtis played that part perfectly. I’m imagining in my head of what this would look like in live action.
Demona REALLY had Goliath going through an emotional roller coaster ride. The expression on his face when he first saw her after 1,000 years; total shock, relief and happiness....then later betrayed, disappointed and sadness after Demona revealed she was partly responsible for the destruction of the Gargoyle clan. This is one of the greatest television series, imo.
Lana Parrilla should play Demona if there is a live action adaptation of Gargoyles
To this day, I still wish Goliath and Demona worked things out
She tried to murder him.
GregXB3 True Love can work through any disagreement.
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Demona loved Goliath 1000 years ago, but she hates him now.
She pushed her mistakes to others, and gave up the pursuit of Goliath in S02E08.
She has to pay for her own mistakes.
I wanted her and Macbeth together.
For a cartoon, Demona was a deep character and very real in her motivations: so many people become victims of their own fear and pride, unable to bring themselves to admit that all the horrible things that have happened are of their own making. I recall hearing that the writers had intended for her to eventually be reformed to try to be closer to Angela.
They would know better than to reform a genocidal racist. This isn't Steven Universe.
When did she sleep after receiving Puck's "gift"? Half of her evil deeds may have been caused by record-breaking insomnia!
She sleeps a few hours during the day.
That doesn't explain where her energy levels went though, they store solar energy and UV rays throughout the day to charge themselves and that's where the monstrous and inhuman power comes from.
Puck's magic compensates for some of it.
She no longer needs to sleep.
Honestly, Demona was justified in her anger about all the wrongs that happened to her. She'd save the humans, and the humans would call her a "monster" in return. Where she went wrong was in her logic of guilt by association. "The people who wronged me are human. You're a human. Therefore you are guilty too."
I loved this show as a kid, but only now as an adult can I really appreciate what a phenomenal voice actress Marina Sirtis was on this show as Demona. You can really feel the emotion in her voice as she portrays anger, distrust, malice, contempt, sadness and pain. It really was, such great acting, especially for a kid's TV show in The Disney Afternoon line up. Jonathan Frakes, Michael Dorn, Brent Spiner, LeVar Burton, Colm Meaney, Avey Brooks, Nichelle Nichols, Kate Mugrew, the whole Star Trek crew were excellent, but Marina really was on another level.
Demona 's worst flaw: She never admits her own mistakes.
Demona, Catra from She-Ra and Azula from Avatar form the unholy triad of cartoon villainesses who can’t or won’t see that their misery and loneliness are 100% their own fault
Belos...Literally Anti-Demona.
One thing that ALWAYS gets to me.
The magic of Demona and Macbeth's curse means that they both live until one kills the other. Demona's magic plague would kill all humans, including Macbeth, so it would kill her as well.
I wonder if she realized this?
luminozero I think the curse ensures that only Macbeth or Demona can actually kill the other person, though it's been like 12 years since I've seen the show so it might be different.
Jewbear1884 They both live until one destroys the other. Demona releasing the plague would be her killing Macbeth. Unless she has to do it by hand, which would make no sense at all.
After all, Macbeth tried to kill Demona by dropping her on a spike, and all indications were that it would have worked.
luminozero
Maybe Macbeth wanted to die, and the terms of the curse just means that one of them has to *cause* the death of the other rather than straight up killing them by hand?
+luminozero well magic is basically like laws, theres specifics and theres loopholes
theres a chance demona would have to kill him personally, a plague would kinda be indirect with no real personal intent behind it so demona would have to either drop the plague near macbeth with the intent of killing him for it to work....
but then theres the loophole of that gargoyle statue... if it hadnt been destroyed then it would have protected demona in gargoyle form and shed have lived...... countered by the fact if she turned into human form during the day, then if the virus didnt kill her then the fact shes human the statue wouldnt protect her and macbeths death would trigger her death
Greg Weisman has implied on his ask blog that Demona is somewhat suicidal.
Is it weard that I like Demona even though she's a bad guy?
Can't help but love Red Heads man, even tho they're all crazy!
Luna Mai/ Mr Robin I got the same feelings for Broly on Z. You're not weird. 😉
Luna Mai/ Mr Robin if u were to ask me there are no good or bad guys. It all depends on perspective, the situation, and what you believe to be right or wrong. In Demora's case she was more misguided than anything else. All she wanted was to help her kind but she just made things worse with her efforts. I don't blame her for that. No one can see the future. Her only problem is that she blames humans instead of owning up to her actions. Also if u ask me the best characters are the ones made out to be villains. They are the ones with he vision and dreams and don't give a damn about what people think about them. Then they act on those dreams. What people hate them for is killing and manipulating people but lets be honest everyone is going to die eventually. Those that fight for what they believe in and work to achieve their goals in a short life earn my respect
Civil War I agree completely
Gal is a proper word.
i cant believe i used to watch this as a kid. its like weird animated soap opera fanfic of an old english story
She never learned from her own mistakes. Always blinded by hate and revenge. Always fighting against her own kind...the people she called friends and family...and for what?
She is her own enemy for sure, a destructive fool in total denial
Demona one of the greatest and most tragic villainesses in all of animation. An immortal character forever a prisoner of her own hatred and she doesn't even know it.
I always loved watching Demona carry out her painfully petty short sighted revenge plots that would always end up tanking her over arching goals. Part of me was always amazed my her strengths and the other part felt pity for her as her character flaws never allowed her to see the error of her ways. Then again if you betrayed the trust of your family and ended up killing them, would you come to terms with that? Her actions doomed her to a life without redemption. She should team up with Kratos! He knows a thing or two about short sighted revenge and screwing things up for everyone else.
+Wray Day As of the new God of War game, he could teach her a thing or two about the futility of vengeance.
As Xanatos once said, “revenge is a sucker’s game”
Demona always reminds Magento and Kilmonger both lost souls who are not accept due to their differences whether Background,powers, Appearance even though they done unthinkable we still root for them to due Humanity and even Agree with them as well that’s the reason I Love Demona Man I love this show.
Goliath was right he could not wage war on an entire world. Even if he was mad he knew better than to lead what was left of his clan into a battle they could not win. And wanted to believe there was still hope.
0:41 Can we all agree that Demona has one of the best intros. Next to Goliath.
Demona is a tragic villain. One of the best well written characters with so much depth and you can understand you and relate to. Because many of us could or have gone through that cycle of suffering because we could never admit that we were the cause of it.
Angela saying “I hate you” is still a knife in the heart, even if Demona deserved it.
Well she is young and seeing how Demona was trying to wedge Angela away from Goliath and she almost did it again in Generation when Demona had a stealth hunter as a partner but he betrayed Demona and told Angela about her plan. Demona has lost her daughter for her vendetta and Angela will never trust her mother again
I feel bad for Demona.
All this time she was projecting her faults onto humanity when it was really her own. A tragic figure if there ever was one.
I know I can't help how I feel bad for Demona what she's going through she lost her people and she lost a castle. If there's one thing that the Demona almost redeem herself is her daughter
Demona is one of the best genocidal villains of the 90's right up there next to Phaeton from EXO-Squad.
It is so good to see that Exo-Squad hasn't been forgotten!
Ironically enough, they are both blue humanoids who are racist towards humans. Great villains as they mirror human flaws.
I wise Demona and Goliath didn't have a fall Out they were The perfect Power Couple
Of all the betrayals Goliath suffered, Demona's hurt him the most. It's one thing to be betrayed by an ally, but to be betrayed by the person you love, the mother of your child, that's a nightmare
Demona hasn't learned that playing the blame game is pointless. She is responsible just as much as the Vikings.
The dialogue, the voice acting, the storyline, the animation. It's perfection! Master storytellers crafted this piece of art. Few modern films or movies can match the beauty of Gargoyles.
Destroy all humans... well she and Bender would make a great couple XD
LMAO good one.
Hyena and Bender would make an even better couple.
Shit, I’ll betray my species just to be with her 😍😍😍
disney needs to bring gargoyles back... carrying on after season 2 (the so-called season 3 is non-canon)
perhaps carry on with the broadway/angela romance.... have it come out broadway is hudsons son and have the father/son bonding like goliath had with his daughter angela
bring in some gargoyles from other countries, like russia since they have alot of superstition, gargoyles and magic would fit in, plus the large empty landspace wouldd be perfect for gargoyles to hide in
Read the comics for the canon continuation.
What about Coldstone and Coldfire getting to meet their son, Gabriel, on Avalon? And I always pictured Coldsteel finding, and falling in love with his own new gargoyle love (if a female gargoyle would accept and love a robot, with a gargoyle soul, and yet, still the ability to heal himself, like as if her were flesh and blood, and he changed his attitude of aggession a bit). Then maybe he'd leave Colstone and Coldfire alone. But, correct me if I'm wrong, but, I once read information that said that, as Iago, (before he was shattered by the vikings) Coldsteel was banished from Goliath's clan for a while, but was later allowed back into the clan, so...was Coldsteel forgiven for something he did wrong in the past, as Iago? And is that why he was with the clan, when they were shattered? Because if Coldsteel would have been permanently banished from the clan, as a rogue gargoyle, on his own, you'd think he might have survived the massacre of the clan, and may have even met up with Demona again, later on, as Iago, and they might have even become a couple, due to both being fairly villain-like, although I don't think Colsteel was anywhere near as bad as Demona, although, he did try to help Demona and MacBeth destroy Goliath's clan, when he took control of Coldstone's body. By the way, was Coldsteel ever going to possibly be redeemed in the future? As I did see him pictured with the group, knowns as the "Redemption Squad" which consisted of Fang, Coldsteel, Dingo, Mattrix, and some other villains (hoping to see Demona in the group, which sadly, she was not)
Problem is, they'd screw it up by 'updating' it to todays standards and throw out everything that made it unique and interesting for it's time.
If they did that and made made more modern they would end up looking like the shitty recent version of the Biker Mice From Mars. The appearance of the mice looked awful.
The strength and passion of Marina Sirtis does come through in Demona.
Your choice of title and description sum her up perfectly Disney needs to bring Gargoyles back!
Man i love demona's voice,something about a deep voice on a woman is incredibly sexy to me. Anyone else agree? the woman who voiced Rem from death note also has a beautiful low voice
Demons was the cause of her own hatred within herself and against the humans. She started the bloodline of Hunters who spent centuries hunting her down. She went through every emotion, but let her hatred consume her. Her daughter believed in her but she ruined that trust, and at the end no matter her immortality, she will have to live with her actions.
What a great character. I used to look forward to the episodes with Demona in them
ho shit i forgot how they got away with murder in this cartoon back when I was a kid/teenager. That's twice I've seen Demona kill people outright, both times with maces lol.
"Typical Humans, they pillage the castle then steal our children."
She certainly has murderous feelings toward Macbeth. And if their linking spell "perceived" the death of all humanity as a successful attempt to kill Macbeth, then it might very well have killed her as well. Did she consider this? Maybe.
This is said often:
YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES
Demona proves it.
Me to Demona: WHEN WILL YOU LEARN??? WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES???
Like any villain, fucks up then blames others irrationally.
Demona is actually responsible for what happened to "their kind"
The toxic and selfish are their own worst enemies in the end
14:05 No, it's nothing. There is just something in my eye.
And she would have her lover if she only
Didn’t lie
Didn’t comment treason
Didn’t try to kill him
This show was the retirement home for all the Star Trek TNG actors.....LOL
13:29 "Alone." That was the pivotal moment of the entite series.😭
That's the point... she can't. The moment she does is the moment she realizes that she's the one responsible for all of her own misery. She is her own worst enemy.
Goliath sounds like Spawn from the 1997 animated series Todd McFarland's Spawn.
Or it could be just me.
UpDownJesse both characters voiced by Keith David
3:30 the look from Goliath normalizing the crazy ramblings of a past girlfriend.
This is one of my favorite scenes in the show.
Edit: The first scene in the video I mean.
If i have had a life like demona i had probably turned out the same way, i really feel sorry for her, she is filt whit anger and sorrow and guilt and that have darkened her soul. what sems like evil for other is justice for her. in a war the other side is alway the bad guy while their own side is the good one. its all upp to the perspective you look at it and what side have what you want or need and what youre goals are. If any one had hurt or mistreaded a clan i have been in or even killed them off i would want revenge to, for a gargoyl a clan is family so yust think on it would u ignore it if someone yust killed youre family or in her case it was more like her family got slaughtered unable to defend themself. And she also did know she would not be able to defend them. Even if she had warned them when she noticed it was to late for them to fly off and hide. i would guess it was her way to let them die in peace instead of in fear or in terror.
Sadly, every good hero story needs a villain...
There are times that things don't go as planned. Neither she nor the captain of the guards knew that Hakon would destroy the other gargoyles while they were stone but I think that Demona did have a feeling something would happen so she hid herself on the beach away from the castle when the vikings attacked. It was partly her fault that both her clans was destroyed and even if her plan had worked, Goliath would have gone to rescue the humans anyway.
well to be fair, demona is right, humans did cause her suffering, had it not been for the way humans had treated her and other gargoyles, there is a good possibility that demona would not have gone down the path she went, yeah she did betray the castle to the vikings, but what motivated her to do it, the cruelty of humans, the creation of the hunter was unintentional, she was stealing food to survive, and humans were already persecuting gargoyles, had it not been for unjust persecution by humans, she would never had needed to steal and go into hiding, yeah she betrayed macbeth to canmor, but macbeth had presumably been considering to betray the gargoyles, when he said he considers all options, demona and other gargoyles were being persecuted and hunted by humans, had it not been for this persecution she would never had needed to betray macbeth and she betrayed him partly out of fear for herself and her new clan.
demona may have done terrible things that unintentionally harmed her, but she is not really entirely to blame. And she is right not just in her own mind, but right, somewhat in general, when you also consider her situation
"The massacre was your fault, you stupid bitch!" - Greg Weisman, 2005. Creator of Gargoyles and Demona.
oh I see, that's the first time I read that quote, but I didn't say she was completely right, I said somewhat right in general, not completely right, she is not infallible, I do know and admit that she was responsible for the castle massacre and the other things, but not really entirely her fault
Something I think worth noting: they definitely show Demona as hating humanity from day one. But its only after discovering she has lost Goliath to another woman that she turns straight up genocidal. The wrath of a woman scorned, after all.
Daniel Ryan She had been planning to destroy all of humanity for, at least, 500 years as the series finale shows.
Yup, I've often said to people that she is not Magneto with boobs. But Mags is what Demona likes to think she is.
Magneto ain't right, though, man. Prejudice will always exist, and combating it with more prejudice and violence doesn't solve anything. If mutants were the dominant species, the humans would be in the same boat the mutants are. Magneto fails to understand that we are all the same, and fall prey to the same demons. Look back at the LA riots. Because of the actions of one man (albeit a sign of a greater prejudice), the black community stuck out in hatred, and numerous innocents were needlessly and brutally murdered.
Also, Mutants have superpowers.
Please God, let this be on Netflix.
+TheNewEmphinix go to toonova
+TheJimboman300 I own it all it is such a great TV show.
Actually Disney+
Demona fell victim to what is probably the most common Villain Trope of all time:
*She started talking instead of actually DOING SOMETHING!!!*
Why bother telling Goliath and the others what she was going to do instead of actually doing it?! 😤😤😤
... Also no one ever mentions the humans Demona killed during the whole “City of Stone” mess, unless they became normal and unbroken when the spell was reversed but I honestly think that would be lazy writing!
Those people who she killed stayed dead. She is a mass murderer.
@@GregXB3 If I remember correctly, one of the humans Demona reduced to stone pieces was the husband in the married couple that would occasionally crop up in the show. I think we did saw the two of them in episodes after City of Stone.
That said, in reality, I may be wrong.
@@gastaprasta9596 Greg Weisman handwaved that by saying those were two different people that resembled Brendan and Margot. I'll allow it.
13:31 "I will have vengeance for the betrayal of my clan, vengeance for my pain"
"but who betrayed your clan?"
"and who caused this pain?"
"the vikings destroyed my clan"
"who betrayed the castle to the vikings?"
"the hunter hunted us down"
"who created the hunter?"
"Canmore destroyed the last of us"
"who betrayed Macbeth to canmore?"
Hey, this was a fantastic video. I love Demona as the complex villain she is and you portrayed it beautifully.
Man demona is too stubborn to even take accountability
When I heard this I immediately thought of our sisters today. Modern women.
Sort of like 'Extremist' demagogues, in this current political season. Don't you think?
Sometimes is necessary
Revisting for the great Demona. I really love all the theatrics with their wings
We went from this to uncle grandpa smh shame
If this Show ever gets a Spin Off version Hopefully Demona might be reformed it's really Sad life for her and her hatred towards humans I wish she would change her mind on that
I believe that was a planned subplot for the un-produced final season.
Nope.
Dude, she got her own people killed. That's harsh, man
The City of Stone ark was some of the finest writing I’ve ever seen in any cartoon. Explaining how Demona really survived all these years and who Macbeth really was. You realize that Demona was alone for a bit after Goliath and co were frozen, hooked up with another clan, then screwed that up and was completely alone for almost 900 years. At least Macbeth could blend in with other humans, but Demona? Her life was a Shakespearean tragedy.
These...were great series. Disney forgot what they once had.
I think it's a credit to the writers how a single word can almost completely redeem a genocidal murderer.
Such great voice acting by Marina Sirtis and Keith David.
A true Shakespearean tragic character.
Chained by the chains of vengeance, unwilling to face the truth, instead of blaming herself, it was easier to blame the humans.
A lie, upon a lie on a lie.
her life is a house of cards.