World's First Honda Hybrid running on Sodium-Ion Power!! and we need your help!!
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- This holiday season, Santa delivered something truly special to NexPower: the long-awaited sodium-ion battery for Honda hybrids! After over a year of development and challenges with lithium-ion chemistry, we’re thrilled to share this milestone. Join Jack as he takes you behind the scenes of this incredible prototyping journey and showcases how innovation meets determination.
The benefit of the sodium-ion battery:
1. eco-friendly - no toxic chemical like KOH in NiMH chemistry.
2. Affordability - sodium/salt is dirt cheap because it is basically dirt.
3. Longevity - sodium-ion work for Toyota hybrid, which is an overkill solution for the Honda hybrid, it translate to long lasting.
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your work gives another chance to live to those cars you upgrade. It is much greener than scrap the car and buying a new hybrid just because battery change would be too expensive.
I wish you never give it up.Thank you.
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Make it for the gen 1 Honda insight. That would be awesome. 😉
I think this is a first gen honda civic hybrid which shares a nearly identical drivetrain with the first gen insight.
The argument at the time was that people didn't like how the insight looked, so they took the drivetrain and dumped it into a civic.
@@blu0065insight is 3 cyl . Civic is 4 cyl .
I second this! Would be very interested...
Shouldn't be too difficult. AIUI the 1st generation Insight shared same 7.2v (nominal) battery 'stick' modules with 1st generation Civic & Accord…20 of them for 144v system. Later generations of Civic (maybe others) had 22 for 158v although it seems those might have had 5.5Ah capacity sticks rather than the earlier ones of 6Ah…also layout and connectors were slightly different. I guess it ultimately depends on how demanding the regenerative charging of each model is and whether the sodium ion cells can cope with that.
@@blu0065 Not the same hybrid battery system though. And the G1 Insight will always be the kind of MPG until someone else makes an all aluminum spartan commuter car with a manual.
Hell yeah! So glad to finally see these batteries come to fruition. We're about to see a big leap in energy storage and EV adoption. Can't wait to see how you decide to benchmark these to find their limits.
Not so many cycles of usage in sodium ion
They accomplished all of this while cramming all of that hardware into such a tight space. Very cool.
amazing work. you are making the world a better place with this!
Hi Jack. Great work converting these cars to Sodium ion. BTW The original Honda (and 1st Prius) battery 'sticks' are 6 NiMh cells in series 6x1.2v = 7.2v then 2 of those in series is 2x7.2v = 14.4v (all nominal voltages…ie their v when discharged) which is why you have the originals jumping back to 14v ish. (4:52) Your original cells new were 6Ah but now measure only 3.39Ah so must be old or high mileage. I have some 20 year old ones that didn't see a lot of use that still have 6Ah capacity and can deliver 30Ah…which I think is pretty impressive!
I have the Japan 2006 Hybrid. Hot weather, A/C, heavy idle use, after draining during acceleration, make the battery go super low and test. Firmware updates did really strange things in order to "preserve" the stock battery. So, the readouts were not necessarily accurate and you get a "two battery" style behavior. The original firmware, while honest, got Honda into a lot of trouble with regards to mileage estimates. I can't tell you how many revisions there were. But they were designed for Honda (CYA), and not for the driver. I'm on my 2nd battery and probably need a 3rd. I live in Texas with long periods of very hot weather and very little super cold weather. Car went from getting about 45mpg in mixed used, to 40, and now it gets about 33-35 mpg in mixed use (on a bad battery, so, not really the greatest condition). I believe the battery is about $700-800 USD and more with installation. AFAIK, I own the very first Civic Hybrid of that new gen from 2006 in N. Texas. I got it around Christmas of 2005.
Nice job Jack. Super excited
Good work Jack, I admire your commitment and soon I will be ordering 2 Na batteries for our Gen 3 Priuses.
They can retrofit other cars? My 2019 Volt?
I drive an Insight gen2 (2010) and the battery quality definitely affects mpg. After leaving the car lying under a pile of snow for one month, the battery lost a lot of capacity and started charging while accelerating, instead of just when braking. It is especially noticeable when driving uphill, so that's my torture test - if you can drive uphill without losing horsepower to charging, you've basically solved Honda hybrids!
Also, from using 5.4 litres of gas per 100km, it shot up to 6.5, so you should definitely see improvements in mpg as well.
Good information
Just installed a 12v sodium ion battery in my Tesla. So far so good. Had to replace the lead acid one.
Where do you get it?
Looking foward to see the new MPG! Here in Brazil i'm part of a team that build a Hydrogen Formula car and we are using sodium in the low voltage system (the 12V), very cool battery and very robust!
I've been looking forward to broad implementation of the sodium Ion chemistry and can't wait to see how closely it behaves to lead acid. I'm hoping to build a hybrid battery system for my home solar using lithium banks and sodium banks in parallel to keep each other healthy and to keep absorption of solar potential high. Lead-acid just doesn't absorb well enough and lithium can't do the grunt work without doing itself an injury. I suspect that sodium will replace my lead and increase the life of my lithium while my lithium keeps my sodium charged until it has to do the grunt work. I look forward to seeing more old battery tech being phased out in favor of more practical alternatives.
Would like to have this 08 Highlander Hybrid. I live in Colorado, and the hills and mountains just deplete the NiMH batteries.
NiMH batteries for long life, should be completely discharged, then fully charged to get max life I've read. In the Prius, they were not good. I had a 2011 plug-in Prius. Terrible car. I've been on Volts ever since.
Excellent work sir!
Come and test in frigid Canada🇨🇦
Very interesting!! On a related topic I was looking at the Ford Maverick Hybrid as it can return over 40 mpg in town. Problem is acquisition cost. Ford charges more for Hybrid (at least in the lower trims), so much that it's actually cheaper to just get the 2.0 Ecoboost engine if you only drive 8000 miles per year. Overall cost is less including fuel for the turbocharged version which is also more fun to drive. I love the idea of excellent economy but I also like to understand the total picture. But at least with your solution to the battery problem in the Civic it seems that overall cost is a strong consideration.
The biggest reason I prefer the hybrid over the 2.0 EB is it's far more reliable.
Jack, do you have any plans for Ford hybrid sodium ion batteries? I have a C-max Energi plug in hybrid, and when the time comes, I would like to have this option, plus it may provide more range.
I'm not an expert but my 2008 hch got much better gas mileage before a software update do to the premature failure of the nimh battery BTW, can't wait for this to be available provided all testings go well!
Keep up the good work.
"we need your help!!", the same scenario for years, we need money, the solution is here, now, in a moment. And it always ends the same.
Excellent! Please let us know how this project evolves!
NiCads still made. Do have their own advantages.
Both the original Honda and Prius battery cells were Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMh). Very robust. I have some 20 year old sticks that still have full 6Ah capacity…although they've only done 60k miles
This was great! Any plans to look into the BMW i3?
will somebody from nextpower ever answer emails? been a few weeks I asked question about using the B-grade old lithium batteries...crickets*
great video god bless u 🥰
I was there.
Are you going to sell new replacement battery packs or lose cells or neither ?
mileage results?
I would be pleased to increase the size of the battery to protrude into the trunk, so I would lose some trunk space and gain more electric-only range.
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Nice one, I own a 2009 version which has a different batterypack as the 2007 version. I have now reached the 200,000 kilometer mark and the battery is still functioning okay as i have around 23 kilometer per liter use which is around (56miles per gallon ). but I am very interested in the battery you guy`s are using. So you have a new fan of the channel here. 😉 (I am from the Netherlands Europe)
on my prius, low mpg (with a confirmed battery), might mean the inverter is overheating, thus always in a shut down mode and not charging. sometimes the coolant pump goes out.
people with Gen 2 Prius reported higher MPG just with higher capacity battery. A truly higher capacity battery would suffice without even going to a PHEV for most urban travel. Your inverter coolant pump sounds faulty.
@@z_actual yes, it's a common problem with older models. we just got a new crv. it has an EV mode but cuts off at 25mph.
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Wow the sodium ion batteries have almost 50% more capacity than the nickel ion battery 😮
Are they lighter or heavier?
Sodium is heavier but trades that weight for smaller cost and easier to find. Lifetime is smaller but compensated for by gentler use because the motor is assisting and preventing idle cost of fuel. Sodium Vanadium could extend the life cycles in future cars but that is future tech found in labs, not factories. Sodium ion is a new tech. Charge rates are different then lithium iron phosphate.
Also Im guessing soduim ion batteries arent a fire hazzard like Lithium ion batteries..?
Correct
Why are the camry hybrid battery always out of stock?
Probably either because they're running out fast because batteries are now getting older and dying or they never got any in stock yet.
Doing great work ! Great to bring life back to dead hybrids. I hear many complain about batteries being so toxic. Are they recyclable ?
Is sodium ion, considered "solid state"? I thought the new gen solid state battery were going to be made with Graphite...
Honda , has in last 20 years SERIOUSLY "lost it's Way" Only Fools still buy Honda products.
Do you have any battery upgrade for the Porsche Cayenne?
what would happen if you cut the fuel to the engine, could the car limp along anyways?
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Hello, my name is Thomas, I am Brazilian. This battery has to be tested in hotter and colder regions where any combustion or electric vehicle suffers an extremely radical extreme. For example, drive this electric vehicle using this sodium-ion battery on one of the longest hills with an incline of 75 or 85 degrees to suffer extremes of the car or mechanical and electric to overheat the electrical components in a long extreme.
Try LTO for hybrid
These Salty Sodium hybrid batteries, are they compatible for Gen1 Honda Civic Hybrid and for Gen1 Honda Insight automobiles?
I have always been interested in owning a 1st gen manual trans Insight. From our rural home it's 75-miles round trip to the closest shopping center and 100 to the Doctor or Costco. Never pursued it mostly because of apprehensions about battery availability and vehicle technical support. An occasional hyper-mile test would be fun though my current daily driver an '04 SI hatch w/K24 power is fun in a different way. In either one, I will always drive in deep and seldom brake but that's a different story. Ballpark, what would a 1st gen Insight Sodium-Ion battery cost?
I see a future $ in EV and hybrid battery upgrades.
Puncture test ?
Absolute minimum hybrid car must have capability to accept 30kW of power for deceleration from 80mph down to 0mph.
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I was gonna offer you $2,500 for car but since you say MPG will stay the same I’ll give you $1,500🤔😂😂👍😎😎
Jack
Salut, pour les français, M.P.G: miles par gallon.
Japan power, refurbished honda civic
We make battery on honda civic hybrid from life po4 32700. Capacity by 10A
I heard that the energy density of sodium-ion batteries is quite high xDxDxDxDxD
Honda is dead. Hybrids are a stop gap joke. BEV or nothing!
Sodium ion has actually lower longevity in cycles
MPG should be replaced by MPK - miles per kilowatt
Your stuff is always out of stock 😢
Non si capisce un tubo. La spiegazione è demenziale.
Where's the Honda EV? Hybrid is passé.
Batery delayed
Nicad batteries are junk. I didn't even think they still made them. Why didn't you compare them to Lithium?
The prius was launched in the UK with Nimh batteries but the EU got lithium batteries, Nimh are pretty good 10 year life span and safe to DIY replace.
Why do I keep hearing Handa? 😅 It is HONda, bro.