‘The Conservatives will never recover’ | Dominic Grieve
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- “I have absolutely no doubt that if the Conservative Party doesn’t move back to being a centre-right party it will never be elected again.”
The Tories will “never recover the Reform voters” they lost in the general election, says former attorney general Dominic Grieve.
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The Tories will do nothing but fight between themselves and reform. No way back for a long long time.
Hopefully never!
Tories are all selfish greedy arseholes! They doing nothing for the working class.. they do nothing for the north.. it’s all bout them n down bloody south! Maybe if they took into account it’s a WHOLE country.. and actually sorted out wages better.. across said country.. they might get somewhere! It’s been shown recently the great divide on which city’s etc .. get less wages for same jobs.. but, then again now we’ve a red in a blue tie.. so probs gunna be fcuked all over again!! W⚓️’s the lot of em😡
They aren’t “Conservatives” that’s their problem.
Correct. They ceased to be a Tory Party essentially under Boris who was only there for himself.
"There is no such thing as Conservatives, these days people who call themselves Conservatives are either liberals or fascists" - Rudyard Kipling
They Should NEVER EVER Come Back...
Never ever again
No one wants them back ! 😂
@@AC-tn9hgTry telling that to Starmer & Co?
@@DarrenJamiesonJamieson??..?
Well we need some one who get rid of this Labour government and damn quick
We don't want them to come back. They showed their incompetence and corruption for all to see.
Meanwhile the Labour Party is splintering into its usual shards - foreshadowing the sort of competence and probity that has made the midlands of England such a beacon of fiscal probity and multi-ethnic tranquility.
We keep voting them out. They keep coming back with a load of tosh. Never Never let this mob of crooks back again.
@@alanbradley9621 Except that they don't really get voted out - any more than Labour does - because they are members of the Conlab uniparty. So long as people keep voting for any member of this single party with two names, the same people will always stay in power.
@@annamack5823 So who do they vote for then? Reform are just Tory 2.0
Absolutely correct 💯 💯💯🤝🤝🤝✊✊
James Cleverly - the man who proves that Nominative Determinism is a nonsense
Most of us may never recover from what the Tories have done.🚪
At least 200,000 have no chance.
recover from what? You never had a chance at making it in life if “what the Tories have done” hindered you from succeeding.
😂😂😂😂 youre a clown@@raph_csg
@@raph_csgthere’s always one W⚓️that just gives a fk about there selves, you must be a Tory
@@raph_csgAgree! People dying of cancer on NHS waiting lists - needed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps! Same with all the COVID Deaths in the care sectors! People are just too lazy to breathe properly these days!
"Turn our attention to the Conservatives" rather implies it was once directed in another direction. I must have missed that episode.
Oh very good. I call Times Radio Tory FM.
They were ideally placed in the 1980s.
Started going wrong for the Tories with
John Major in the 1990s and became much worse from 2010 onwards.
Being the next Tory leader. Is like becoming the Captain of the Titanic !
Given what new Labour did and then the Conservatives did I think being prime minister is being captain of the titanic.
More The Flying Dutchman!😋
This interviewer is very annoying ...... let the guy finish a sentence !
Yes, horrible. And that wave to her minions to play the video clip was horrendous.
Nasty, arrogant control freak I'd say!
Tory, of course.
She’s interrupting to move the interview along as she said “We don’t have much time.” Rather than allocate a descent amount of time to an important discussion, she allocated small amounts of time for pointless and trivial non-discussions. Yes, terrible interviewer.
The question is: Will Britain ever recover?
only if we rejoin eu
@@ecohipster7724Agree with you. Never should have left. Never allow poorly informed bearing a grudge against politicians to vote on constitutional issues which they were not qualified to do. Thank You.
Cleverly is a joke - I hope he is elected Leader.
It's all one and the same establishment party being talked about by one media.
Finished party! I,ll never return to the treasonous party again!!!! Trust is broken for EVER!
Cleverly competant ? based on what ?
Just his name.
Dominic Grieve may one of the most sane (or least insane) conservatives, but holding Cleverly in 'high regard' is genuinely crazy.
Just trying to think of any member of Truss and Johnson's cabinet who would have got into Heath and Thatcher's cabinet.
@@jonzu217 Starmer feels like a nonentity compared with the members of Harold Wilson's cabinets.
@@georgesdelatour He may have been at best minister of agriculture. One minister in Starmar's government might have made the Wilson cabinet, but the Starmar cabinet is an improvement on Truss and Johnsons cabinets.
@@georgesdelatour That's because he is a nonentity - but a highly sponsored one.
It makes no difference who is the Tory Leader. They are sinking into oblivion.
I don't think they ever will recover the leadership contestants prove that.
Cockroaches always survive
Dude thinks Thatcher was a centrist 🤡
Thatcher was the best PM in my life time. We could do with someone just like her now. I am proud that I voted for her in 1979 and onwards.
@@BILLVANNER Ew gross
She was centrist compared to a Labour Party led by Michael Foot and with Tony Benn not far away.
@@baltasarnoreno5973 she was far from centrist despite the labour party also not being centrist
@@RichardGambles The Labour Party at the time wanted to withdraw the UK from Nato and the Common Market, scrap the nuclear deterrent, renationalise the few industries that had been privatised by that point, nationalise the banking sector, embark on a massive Keynesian reflation spending boom, abolish the House of Lords, reintroduce price controls and incomes controls, put in place a so-called 'Five Year Plan' (just love those genuflections to Joseph Stalin) for economic growth, set up agencies with wide powers to intervene directly in the management of private businesses, stop nuclear power, big increases in taxation. Compared to that bucket list, Thatcher looked quite centrist.
THE WHOLE NATION HAS BEEN WELL AND TRULY ~~~ SUNAKED.
Wherever there is wealth, there will be conservatives.
They are not about "family values", but "the family's valuables".
@@bikkiikun You're confusing conservatives with Conservatives. Everyone is conservative about what they love.
They will never recover from 14 years of total incompetence.
Here's is the reason why the Conservative party will not recover for generations. I've taken the following directly word for word from the Conservative manifesto and data from the Office for National statistics:
2010 Immigration 604,000, emigration 339,000, net migration 256,000
Conservative manifesto: "We will take steps to take net migration back to the levels of the 1990s - tens of thousands a year, not hundreds of thousands."
2015 Immigration 664,000, emigration 334,000, net migration 329,000
Conservative manifesto: "Our commitment to you: keep our ambition of delivering annual net migration in the tens of thousands, not the hundreds of thousands" "We will tackle people trafficking and exploitation. We will ease pressure on public services and your local community. We will protect British values and our way of life. We will promote integration and British values"
2017 Immigration 644,000, emigration 395,000, net migration 249,000
Conservative manifesto: "We will reduce and control immigration." "But with annual net migration standing at 273,000, immigration to Britain is still too high. It is our objective to reduce immigration to sustainable levels, by which we mean annual net migration in the tens of thousands, rather than the hundreds of thousands we have seen over the last two decades".
2019 Immigration 772,000, emigration 553,000, net migration 219,000
Conservative manifesto: "There will be fewer lower-skilled migrants and overall numbers will come down. And we will ensure that the British people are always in control."
2022: Immigration 1,257,000, emigration 493,000, net migration 764,000.
2023: Immigration 1,218,000, emigration 532,000, net migration 686,000. (provisional estimate)
Keep in mind that those entering are usually foreign and those leaving are often British. Also note that provisional figures are usually underestimates.
ONS data shows that only 15% come in on 'skilled' work visas, meaning 85% have no job and come in as dependents etc. They are a net drain on the economy, going into low paid jobs and take more out of the system than they put in. This demolishes the 'skilled workers argument'. Even most of those who do come in on 'skilled workers' visa, turn out not to be skilled but end up in low paying jobs. Some use fraudulent certificates of qualification, (there's a thriving business in fraudulent nursing qualification from Nigeria, which was recently exposed). 42% of the 10 million foreign born residents in this country came in the last decade. Since New labour came to power 26 years ago we have had more immigration into this country than the previous 2,000 years combined! (I'm not saying Labour and LibDems would any better, I'm just pointing out why voting for any of the main parties will do nothing to stop the flow). The actions of all main political parties have blatantly undermined democracy.
If you want to have kids then don't expect other people to pay for them
And what of the Tories (and others) saying we need to have more kids due to the aging population... It's either ramping up the birthrate in the UK or more immigration. Maybe making it attractive to have more kids would be the better of the two options...
Where do Labour get the money for child benefit .....
The Chancellor congratulates the King on his Crown Estates windfall and then says...windfall tax your Maj...
We need to tax the ultra rich properly.
I agree, whilst it's not the £3 billion required the extra £45 million the crown is getting could go someway to filling the void.
@@MephitisUK Its a catch 22, you cant close the loopholes and tax havens that corporations use to pay less tax because they'll IMMEDIATLEY downsize operations in the UK to match whatever they lose
Then youve got a tumble effect of less jobs, lower pound value, more inflation, higher cost of living, less jobs, lower pound value and on and on and on
As a Tory voter since 1959 I have to agree with Dominic,if he Liberals,greens and reform continue to I'll well I don,t see them ever forming a government ever again except in a coalition.
Happy days. Never again 👍🏻
Never say never. It will probably be two Labour terms before they are viable again.
Tories will either be electable in 10 years or extinct.
"If we don't continue being just as we were under Sunak we'll never be elected again." With geniuses like this in the Tory party no wonder it's disappearing.
Stop blithering on about the Con party, they are toast
If they reopen the mines, the children could return to work.
No that's being done to Children by China now ,mostly in Africa.
Starmer is doing such a good job any of these are embarrassing
They will never get it, they are doomed :)
Good. They should never be allowed back into power after what they did with lockdowns. Grieve is also part of the problem - his sneering, metropolitan elitist attitude, blocking Brexit, claiming to "be the only adult in the room" - is what also contributed to the Tories downfall.
That’s why Starmer needs to keep a grip on extremities of his party . The Economy is paramount
Absolutely hate interviewers who keep interrupting, and think they have more interesting things to say than the person they are interviewing. Carol whatshername IS more intelligent than most younger journalists, but Grieve is definitely more intelligent than she is.
Dominic Greive. Terriobly self righteous and frankly not very helpful. Definitely a new labour conservative.
STOP THE TOFFS!
Tell me why the electorate keep voting for the Eton mob whose only intention is to rip the country to shreds. The electorate never learns.
To make a come back the need to get back to the right of centre and get rid of globalism. We need more populism in Britain.
Vote Reform UK
No thanks.
@@kyorin6526 No thanks to what?
Populism and Reform?
@@kyorin6526the % of indigenous British fall 4-5% every decade according to the census, the population of muslims is almost doubled in the last decade, you are going to be replaced soon.
Pls look at the situation of non muslims in all the muslim countries, pls look at the situation of white people in South Africa after they lost power, it will be your destiny if you become minority in your own country
@@BILLVANNER worked well for Germany in the 30s I guess….😂
🌟 Your speaker suggests that the conservative party should move back to the centre right, where does he think the party was when so many million voters turned their backs on the conservatives? The middle ground no man’s land, it’s dead space. Talk about policies, not left/right positioning. ✌️🇬🇧
@@JACB006 So what are the economic policies of the right?
@@jonzu217 free market capitalism.
Don't be dumb, the middle is where most people are. If the Tories want back in, they will need to at least give the appearance of moving back towards the centre. They likely won't though, they'll likely carry on chasing Deform who will always just shift a bit further to the right. They can't outdo Reform in this regard.
@@kyorin6526 The fact that "most" people are in the "middle" is exactly why Britain is a far-left NS police state and basket case.
@@jonzu217 Too much of a question for this forum, you will need to do some reading in order to educate yourself - but maybe I am taking your question too literally? Perhaps I should simply counter with, “the opposite of the left”. Which left leaning economic policies do you like?
Spot on Dominic. They reflect their evolved position of incompetence, corruption and greed. The faces on offer are familiar in this context. Can they be a credible opposition? More of the same; and further decline seems likely.
Of course they will recover. The same thing was said about the Tories after the 1997 Labour landslide, about Labour after Thatcher beat Foot and Boris beat Corbyn just 5 years ago.
If the Tories remain a centre right party then it will be the labour party that has most to fear from Reform. There are plenty of traditional labour supporting working class people tired of mass and illegal migration and the potential of ever increasing welfare payments to neerdowells
‘The Conservatives will never recover’ Good.
As long as the former AG doesn't stand as a candidate for leader they may yet hold some credibility .
Politician says the only way for a party to win is for it to follow his preferred policies.
just leave the undemocratic ECHR NOW PLEASE.
Comforting to hear that the toxic Tories will never be in power again.
People talking about Reform and the Conservatives potentially joining together but I think the Conservatives and Labour should join together as they're both high immigration high taxation parties and have a lot more in common.
Ive also had horrible dreams in the last 14 years,Im out on the streets,Homeless,After all the worry its done to me,Home sweet home at last,Also get on with my Jobs as well
The Tories have three choices.
Out Labour the socialist Labour party?
Out Lib/dem the woke LibDems?
Or stand down and let Reform deliver on their promises ☑️
They've been out-Labouring Labour for decades. Not likely to change now.
Dominic Grieve's "centre" is everyone in the real world's "left". The future looks bleak for the Tories
'The Conservatives will never recover’ | Dominic Grieve , and who is responsible for this Dominic?
The 2 child policy is to stop families having loads of kids that push them further into poverty.
Can’t people see that a limitless cap will increase long term poverty.
Also, is is the state’s duty to pay for uncontrolled lusts of a few? No.
Grieve - who I like - is wrong about the Tories' ability to win back art least a large portion of Reform voters without lurching to the right. I know many former Tory voters who voted for Reform as an absolute protest vote against Tory corruption and incompetence. These are people who could not bring themsleves to vote Labour or for the Lib Dems, but know Farage for what he is. Build a new Tory party based on centre-right policies, honesty, transparency and competence and the Tories will be fine. Dont and they wont be.
Dominic Grieve doesn't know left from right. Or is he just redefining where centre is to suit his views?
The centre is relative, as are left and right. If you want to know where the centre is look at the voteshares at the last election. More than 60% of voteshare was Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, PC etc. The centre is perhaps also geographic, it's about where the marginal constituencies between tories and other parties breakdown in terms of local preferences, then re-aggregated into a national policy.
The Conservatives cannot maintain a coalition between Reform and the left of the Conservative party, that's rather the point, they have to pick a lane on some level. Their internal coalition has become unsustainable due to a fragmentation of the right in the country, much as the left is heavily fragmented and is represented by a lot of parties, some geographically bound, some not, and indeed Labour had a real problem with losing voteshare to the Greens for example in this election, and losing seats to the SNP in the past.
The left wing of Labour consider Labour very right wing, the right wing of the Conservative party consider them left wing extremists. Those opinions don't matter very much because those are relativistic viewpoints taken from extremes.
What matters is where the country is.
For every 10 elderly Tories who die, how many new elderly will switch to Tory as seems to be the fashion🤔2?3?
I saw a report suggesting 1 in 6 Tory voters will pass before the next election
Especially when the future elderly won't be as likely to be homeowners.
I guess he's now out of that race ;)
700 million pounds wasted and no-one sent to Rwanda.
Who is going to trust the tories again
If only that were true.
‘The Conservatives will never recover’ I'll drink to that. BUT...Big but. The Right in the UK will come together eventually and it can win unwarranted majority power again based on 30 odd % of the electorate which it could certainly achieve. Unless we bring in proper PR voting and the UK's default becomes centrist to centre left.
Tories are finished ...labour are finished shortly as well ...both parties know that ..but theyre getting as much as they can whilst they still can . .
I hate these shirt sleeves bloody politicians, they really think it makes them look ready for work!
All my life I was voting conservative with a small c. Brexit and its right wing lurch with lots of extreme right wing views has put right off them! Let’s hope Dominic is correct and they move away from these right wing idiots!
Under John Major, net immigration averaged around 50,000 people per year. When Tony Blair came to power, he immediately quintupled it. In every election manifesto from 2010 to 2017 the Conservatives promised to bring it back down to John Major levels. Instead it just went up and up. In the 2019 Conservative manifesto they promised to bring it down, but didn't give a figure. In the end, they tripled it from Tony Blair levels. We’re now adding the equivalent of a city the size of Birmingham to the UK every year.
I just don’t know how to feed your “Conservatives have become extremely right wing” claim into the immigration argument. The immigration accelerationism we’ve been experiencing since Blair is the biggest single driver of support, first for Brexit and now for Reform. I just don’t get the idea that pressing ever harder on the immigration accelerator is moderation, or that returning to the John Major consensus on immigration is Far Right.
It may not even matter what policies the Conservatives offer on the economy (i.e. Heath-ism verses Thatcherism) if they can’t offer a coherent policy to get immigration down to manageable levels.
why bother having a guest on if all the interviewer does is interrupt. there was more time of her speaking than the guest.
1. I am not brit.
2. If i was i would vote Lib Dems or Labour.
3. Tory party has deep roots & history and it will recover.
In 10 years
Good job your not then 😂
@@clintcumberland1664 Not very nice
You may not be a Brit but you're absolutely right. I'm not a Tory but I recognise the greatest election winning machine in world politics when I see it. No party on Earth is better at getting people to vote against their own interests. Their philosophy is simple and durable, with only three guiding principles. Win power (at any cost), keep power (at any cost) and enrich the rich.
RUBISH said the same of Tories AND Labour And Lib Dems (ah yes)
Labour and the Lib Dems have learned from their painful defeats of the past, and just as they did at the GE, they will seek to appeal to as wide a spectrum of voters as possible, which will include endorsing policies that 'spill over' into the traditional right of centre 'Tory voter zone', so that even if the Conservatives do ever come back to their senses, they may never reclaim many of those voters.
The FPTP electoral system has traditionally been 'kind' to the Tories, because the centre, and left of centre of British Politics, has usually been a political 'battle-zone' between the Lib Dems and Labour, who often cancelled each other out at GEs in such a way that the Tories (as the only right-wing party), could just 'waltz in' and win Seats from them both - but not anymore!
Labour and the Lib Dems didn't appeal to a greater range of people though. Their vote tallies didn't increase on 2019.
How the Tories lost was because their voters either switched to Reform or didn't vote.
The overall turnout rate dropped from 67% to 60%
@@richardmadden8742 Given the amount of tactical voting under the 'FPTP' electoral system, it's likely that many Lab or LD supporters either didn't vote, (as their Party had no chance of winning). or they voted for the Party with the best chance of stopping the Tories
none of those mentioned to be party leader.
We won't have a country in a couple of years
Where to get 3bn ? Are you serious?
You can tell it's painful for her to jear criticism of the Tories.
Yes Doninic. Let's have a centre "right" Tory party that is indistinguishable from Labour. That's really going to work. 😜
😂😂😂 well said my friend
That argument always runs both ways, why would it be indistinguishable? Because Labour adopted a similar set of positions in this election, the same thing that happened in 2010 and 1997, in both elections the opposition party matched the Government's spending plans and tried to diverge only relatively minimally. Why? Because of the life cycle of British politics, the difficulties for an opposition party in breaking through distrust from the electorate, and the need to present themselves as a safe and stable alternative.
But this comes down to Downsian preference distributions. The idea being that for any given country preferences are distributed on a bell curve, where most people are in the centre, and relatively few people on the right or left extremes. In a two-party system if one party is in the centre, everyone on their side of the centre will vote for them, and the party that is further from the centre will capture everyone on their side (a smaller group) which the gap between them will be divided between the options.
Now the current situation is more polarised, there aren't just two parties, and of course there isn't a single preference curve, people have different preferences on different things, but the basic concept has always applied.
Reform and the Conservatives together got a little over a third of vote-share, Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the SNP, PC and others got over 60% of vote-share. So moving 'to the right' on that curve is not a successful strategy.
The question is what policies can you adopt that can be attractive to a broad coalition on that spectrum? And that's an issue by issue question, there is no single answer.
Labour and Conservative look exactly the same
There's a reason why they're the two major parties of Government. They both try to capture the centre ground of British politics, and have historically been the only parties able to gain a majority for that exact reason. The electoral dynamics are more complex today, but the reason they seem similar to you is precisely the same reason they win elections.
If you wanted a country that flipped between very right wing and very left wing, you'd have to deal with the reality that most people are neither.
@@lolly9080 only if your a bit thick
Because Reform took a large part of the Tories supporters... Helping the labour in a big way for life...
Probably all deliberate....
Because the labour is only a name not a party we knew...It is a new party and a police state pro mass migration and the coming European army mianly made of asylum and refugees to back up the police during the expected Europe spring....and also an army to replace the 2.5 millions Ukrainian and foreign fighters killed ans injured by the Russian military...
This is what many experts are saying...
Complete cobblers
The drive from Cornwall to London is possible without touching blue, how do the Tories think the answer to this is moving to the right?
#REFORM
Starmer should bring in PR quickly - that will split the Tories and no coalition will ever have to include the nutjobs.
Under PR Labour would split into Blairite and Corbynite parties. Plus, a Muslim party would pull votes away from both.
Either way, we will be protected from the swivel-eyed loons who brought Brexit.
Not a word of which could not have been said every time Labour wins.
Is this the first time that Times Radio might be right?
Good, reform are the proper conservative party now
They're both nasty.
Best news I’ve heard all year!
Is Grieve still alive....That's a shame....
He cannot prove that Reform UK's manifesto is not pragmatic and workable.
Didn't the IFS look at all the manifesto's leading up the election and show that Reforms was the most unrealistic in terms of balancing the books...
I disagree...it's bad, but
_"Never say never..."_🤚
We will be voting Reform
Tories can get back in government in no time, all they have to do is kiss Cur Kid Starver's ring & they're welcome.
So Dominic doesn't really know Tom because he wants to withdraw from the ECHR
TRUST FOR GOVERNMENT'S AND PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY'S IS GONE FOREVER..
Saying it in uppercase, doesn't make your case look any stronger. In fact, it makes your case look weaker.
NOTHING TO DO WITH MY CASE , I'M PURE BLOOD AND WAS NOT TOOK IN, TO THE " BIGGEST MEDICAL CRIME IN HISTORY ".. SO YOUR EITHER A PAYED OFF DOCTOR OR PUSHER OF THE DEATH DART...
I have three kids and there is a definite economies of scale from the third which means the benefit should be a sliding scale rather than a consistent amount per child and it should also be means tested
That would make it more affordable to the tax payer
It's not a two-child cap on Child Benefit.
It's a two-child cap on Universal Credit.
@@hypsyzygy506 ok well why can’t it be tweeked on both sides to help the most at need? Sliding scale on child benefit and restore universal credit allowance?
It would seem, post Brexit, that the Tory party are now targeting leaving the ECHR . Worrying, leaving UK citizens at the mercy of our government deciding what human rights we should be entitled to.
How old are you? I can assure you that long before the EU, long before Blair incorporated the ECHR into British law, long before the ECHR even existed, we had human rights in the UK. The ECHR was set up after WW2 to give the people of Europe the same rights we already had.
@chrisnorton4382 63 my friend . I stand by what I say .
@@johnburrows3385 If the ECtHR stuck rigidly to Originalism I could accept it. Originalism means you have to interpret the 1952 Convention strictly according to what everyone understood it to mean in 1952 when they agreed to be bound by it. But the ECtHR applies the principle of “evolving” human rights, which allows them to change the meaning of the 1952 rights at whim, according to their current political preferences. Judges are now making political decisions which should be made by elected politicians while dressing them up in fake legalism. Lord Sumption, who served on the UK Supreme Court, has said as much. The worst offender is Article 8 of the Convention. It merely says that people have a right to privacy and family life. But judges on the ECtHR now make it mean whatever they want it to mean, to invent whatever law their political preference desires. Sumption points out it’s been used to determine “the legal status of illegitimate children, immigration and deportation, extradition, criminal sentencing, the recording of crime, abortion, artificial insemination, homosexuality and same sex unions, child abduction, the policing of public demonstrations, employment and planning law, noise abatement, eviction for non-payment of rent and a great deal else besides”.
Recently the ECtHR used the “Right to Family Life” to rule in favour of the Swiss activist group “Senior Women For Climate Protection”. They argued that their right to a family life had been infringed because they hadn’t been able to go outdoors during a heatwave, and this was a direct - repeat, direct - consequence of the Swiss government’s failure to implement their preferred climate policy. Whatever you think about climate change, this ruling undermines Swiss direct democracy. If Swiss voters decide on a particular climate policy by voting for it in a Referendum, the ECtHR will set it aside if it doesn’t like it.
These judgements are clearly being applied piecemeal, according to the political preferences of the judges. The ECtHR refused to hear any legal challenges to lockdowns which cited Article 8, because they knew full well that such court cases would expose their political partiality to unwelcome scrutiny. Meanwhile Article 10 is being interpreted not to expand freedom of speech, but to contract it.
The Tories have already abandoned Conservatism and most of their voters have already abandoned them. They are a left wing woke party competing with another left wing woke party ie Labour. That is why voters have gone across to Reform who will get stronger as the Tories gradually decline. Trying to patch the holes in the remnants of the Tories will simply hasten the decline. A new leader is irrelevant.
What planet are you on? 😂
NURSE!!!
😂😂😂😂
Labour is now occupying the centre ground. The tories can only go further right, which voters don't want. Doomed.
Who’s the bird in the split skirt flirting with Rishi?
LEAVE echr NOW#.
Could Labour's divisions give the Tories a chance?
No
@@robred19 The electorate do not like divided parties.
Tories will be divided for years fella...and its visible.
What ever party you vote for the U.K. is a centralist, liberal democracy. As a Labour voter I’m not interested in the far left and Conservatives should reject going further right
Oh how Delicious!
Bring back Boris
My god how old is this interviewer..80 ?
Please don’t tease us