This setup sounds good but the large chamber makes the 10M really POP! This is a nice example of the mouthpiece though. Vandoren makes good affordable stuff
Thank you! Do you mean the large chamber Vandoren V16 would be a better match to the 10M? I believe they call that the 40's model? I have not tried that one yet but would like to.
@@Jazzznbluezzz1 YES. Definately. You make the medium chamber sound really good though. My 10M is from 1941 so maybe that's why... I never heard it called the 40's model. I have heard they say it "has a vintage sound from the 40's.. " I can't really talk to that. One day I want to try a vintage otto link.. I doubt that I would buy one (they run like around $1000)
Congrats on your purchase. I would consider the V16 as somewhere in the middle of dark and bright. You can easily go dark or brighter depending on the kind of reed you use and how you play. The Conn I play here is a fairly dark playing horn and I consider myself as a dark player too. Even on high baffled moutpieces. I bet you will sound different on the V16. If there is any squeeking it is most likely my poor embouchure or some older reed issue. Could as well be the ligature. I use a Selmer 404 on it. The V16 is very well made and the table, rails and tip are just excellent.
just got it today, sweet looker, it is a nice set up, but my area for this would have to be in the rock and roll number, little richard, splish splash and such, it is not that dark, abd semi bright as you said i ended up with a V16 2, i wrote Vandoran to try to get some V12 and V21 to try to darken it up a little, , my dark MP is a otto link refaced by ben Allen, ( doc tenny student) serious dark, the Lig is a rovner 3ml
It is funny to notice that most players sound different on the same mouthpiece or have different interpretations of a bright and dark sound. While I am trying to brighten things up with reeds and the lig, you prefer to darken the tone. For a darker tone you might also try the Vandoren Blue box, D'Addario Royal, LaVoz, Hemke reeds. I am sure that the Allen refaced Link is a killer piece. I play both his 20TD and 10E. However my all time favorite is the 20TD. That is what I use for my louder R&B gigs when going hard rubber. Sheer power without ever any sacrifice of the full tone Even a serious contender to the metal Dukoff D9 that I also use for that. Admittedly the Duke can be brighter and meaner but when fully pushed it looses some in the mids and lows and can get too dirty. The 20TD does not. Besides it can growl like a mother. And is very versatile as well. I can easily do lush jazzy Webster-like subtoning on it if needed. Although it is a tad brighter than the V16. I consider the V16 as a more well-mannered Link in tuxedo. A quality tone that stays fat and full and never gets really dirty. I feel it is just not designed for that. Of course you can get there but it needs a little more work. In that respect it reminds me of the 10E by the way. Maybe the Small Chamber version would be a better choice if you want to go that route. I never tried one so that is just guessing. For a warm fat rich and still powerful tone the V16 is great. For a even warmer and darker tone there is the Large Chamber to try.
I have exactly the same set-up since a short time (1940 10m, V16 T7 metal). 10M has been overhauled professionally. It blows very sharp over most all the register unless compensating way to much with my throat and embouchure. Do you have the same experience? Would another large champer mouthpiece solve this problem?
Congrats on your great setup. Do you have the tuning issues only with the V16 mouthpiece? I happen to have two Conn tenors, the 10M and a '24 New Wonder, and with neither of them I experienced any serious tuning issues. Some small chamber and higher baffled mouthpieces might need some airstream adjustments but with some more practice should work fine too. The V16 medium chamber should not be a problem at all on the 10M. In fact I considered it to be one of the most consistent mouthpieces i have tried. So I am not sure what could cause the tuning problem with your horn. The larger bore design does work well a large chamber mouthpiece indeed. However I feel that some large chamber pieces can make it sound tubby or even dull. I prefer medium chamber style mouthpieces. It might alo be a neck issue. That said it could as well be an embouchure issue. I do not know how wel an experiences player you are. It could take some time to adjust to the old Lady.
@@Jazzznbluezzz1 Thank you for the reply! I have been playing tenor saxophone for 4,5 years now (3y classical, 1,5y jazz) at a local music college. I used a Yamaha YTS-23/vandoren V16/Rico Royal 2 or 2.5 until recently. After advising my teacher that I was considering an upgrade saxophone, he recommended me to consider a Conn 10M - which he had played for multiple years. Before I was looking more into yani's or selmer SA80. But my aspiration to the sound and playing style got my on the 10M road. I have been lucky to have a found a professionally overhauled 10M with great sound and playability. There are many things to get used to. One is the position of the thumrest en nek hook,. did you keep that original? Over time I will probably get used to it. Another main thing I noticed is that it played sharp over most of the register. I did use a tuner during checking but did not do it very elaborate. My teacher said to use a softer embouchere to drop the pitch and then finding balance between the presence of the note you want and the tuning of the horn by moving the mouthpiece. The first week I wrongly adjust by lowering my throat instead of loosening my embouchure. That was not comfortable to play but got that right already a bit more. Next to that i looked on fora like SOTW were they appeared to be pointing towards the mouthpiece as a problem. That is how i got to contact you because you used just the same setup without issues. I have in my notes that moutpiece alone should be G concert and moutpiece + neck E concert. I just checked with my old YTS 23 neck, regular blow gives E concert, same blow on my new 10M neck give E concert 40% sharp. I think this proves that I need to keep following my teachers advises and keep practicing long tones with tuning. And certainly on mouthpiece and neck alone. This has been very helpful. I am glad to be able to keep using my current mouthpiece because I was just getting the hang of it. The old lady will take time to adjust too. Loving the journey and the sound!
@@maartendeclercq Not a problem at all. I am happy to help you or anyone as far as I can. In particular when it concernes a Conn saxophone player :-) 40% sharp on the entire register is quite a lot indeed. I can only add that I think your teacher is right. Practising long notes is the best way to develope the right embouchure. He is also right about the softer embouchure. I call it an 'open' embouchure. Just drop your jaw down and it opens up your mouth captivity like making an 'O' sound. I tend to play without even letting my teeth touch the mouthpiece or the reed. Less lip pressure, only varying the airstream. I think you might call that a soft embouchure. Apart from the tuning it will also affect your tone and make it sound more bold and warm. It can be a little awkward at first but when you get used to it it will pay off I am sure. How much mouthpiece you take in will also affect your tone but that is up to you and what you prefer and feel comfortable with. Good luck! I hope it will work out well for you.
@@Jazzznbluezzz1 A few months down the road and learning to let my conn sing. With hours of long tones with a tuner my tuning problems resolved. Happy with the setup but in the long run probably will test some other mouthpiece. Any recommendations?
you are surely right. Although I tried to the best of my ability. But I am convinced that there are much more skilled saxophone players who can make the V16 come into its own much more. Maybe I should have given more time. But on the other hand, this is it. This is how I sound on this mouthpiece. I would love to hear how other sax players sound on the same V16
Great Tenor sound , I just purchased the Vandoren T16 and hope to sound half as good as your beautiful improv !
Thank you very much! I hope you enjoy your Vandoren piece.
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This setup sounds good but the large chamber makes the 10M really POP! This is a nice example of the mouthpiece though. Vandoren makes good affordable stuff
Thank you! Do you mean the large chamber Vandoren V16 would be a better match to the 10M? I believe they call that the 40's model? I have not tried that one yet but would like to.
@@Jazzznbluezzz1 YES. Definately. You make the medium chamber sound really good though. My 10M is from 1941 so maybe that's why... I never heard it called the 40's model. I have heard they say it "has a vintage sound from the 40's.. " I can't really talk to that. One day I want to try a vintage otto link.. I doubt that I would buy one (they run like around $1000)
Wow, you've got style!
Thank you very much!
You sound great man! I just picked me up a con n prewar 10m getting overhauled
Thanks for your nice comment! I hope the Conn will bring you the sound you want. I love these prewar Conns. The postwar 10Ms are not bad either.
Swingin'!!!! Love it!!!!
Thank you very much, Kenny! I appreciate it!
@@Jazzznbluezzz1 You're welcome!
Swing it ! Nice
Thank you very much!
just got one, hope it works out, would you consider this a dark piece, do you find this piece squeaks a little
Congrats on your purchase. I would consider the V16 as somewhere in the middle of dark and bright. You can easily go dark or brighter depending on the kind of reed you use and how you play. The Conn I play here is a fairly dark playing horn and I consider myself as a dark player too. Even on high baffled moutpieces. I bet you will sound different on the V16. If there is any squeeking it is most likely my poor embouchure or some older reed issue. Could as well be the ligature. I use a Selmer 404 on it. The V16 is very well made and the table, rails and tip are just excellent.
just got it today, sweet looker, it is a nice set up, but my area for this would have to be in the rock and roll number, little richard, splish splash and such, it is not that dark, abd semi bright as you said i ended up with a V16 2, i wrote Vandoran to try to get some V12 and V21 to try to darken it up a little, , my dark MP is a otto link refaced by ben Allen, ( doc tenny student) serious dark, the Lig is a rovner 3ml
It is funny to notice that most players sound different on the same mouthpiece or have different interpretations of a bright and dark sound. While I am trying to brighten things up with reeds and the lig, you prefer to darken the tone. For a darker tone you might also try the Vandoren Blue box, D'Addario Royal, LaVoz, Hemke reeds.
I am sure that the Allen refaced Link is a killer piece. I play both his 20TD and 10E. However my all time favorite is the 20TD. That is what I use for my louder R&B gigs when going hard rubber. Sheer power without ever any sacrifice of the full tone Even a serious contender to the metal Dukoff D9 that I also use for that. Admittedly the Duke can be brighter and meaner but when fully pushed it looses some in the mids and lows and can get too dirty. The 20TD does not. Besides it can growl like a mother. And is very versatile as well. I can easily do lush jazzy Webster-like subtoning on it if needed. Although it is a tad brighter than the V16.
I consider the V16 as a more well-mannered Link in tuxedo. A quality tone that stays fat and full and never gets really dirty. I feel it is just not designed for that. Of course you can get there but it needs a little more work. In that respect it reminds me of the 10E by the way. Maybe the Small Chamber version would be a better choice if you want to go that route. I never tried one so that is just guessing. For a warm fat rich and still powerful tone the V16 is great. For a even warmer and darker tone there is the Large Chamber to try.
I would like to sound like you....great sound man ! Great phrasin too ..
..But you must work hard on your rythm / time feel !!
@@Lucia-kk4kn Thanks a lot! Yes, you are right...I keep working on it.
I have exactly the same set-up since a short time (1940 10m, V16 T7 metal). 10M has been overhauled professionally. It blows very sharp over most all the register unless compensating way to much with my throat and embouchure. Do you have the same experience? Would another large champer mouthpiece solve this problem?
Congrats on your great setup. Do you have the tuning issues only with the V16 mouthpiece? I happen to have two Conn tenors, the 10M and a '24 New Wonder, and with neither of them I experienced any serious tuning issues. Some small chamber and higher baffled mouthpieces might need some airstream adjustments but with some more practice should work fine too. The V16 medium chamber should not be a problem at all on the 10M. In fact I considered it to be one of the most consistent mouthpieces i have tried.
So I am not sure what could cause the tuning problem with your horn. The larger bore design does work well a large chamber mouthpiece indeed. However I feel that some large chamber pieces can make it sound tubby or even dull. I prefer medium chamber style mouthpieces.
It might alo be a neck issue. That said it could as well be an embouchure issue. I do not know how wel an experiences player you are. It could take some time to adjust to the old Lady.
@@Jazzznbluezzz1 Thank you for the reply! I have been playing tenor saxophone for 4,5 years now (3y classical, 1,5y jazz) at a local music college. I used a Yamaha YTS-23/vandoren V16/Rico Royal 2 or 2.5 until recently. After advising my teacher that I was considering an upgrade saxophone, he recommended me to consider a Conn 10M - which he had played for multiple years. Before I was looking more into yani's or selmer SA80. But my aspiration to the sound and playing style got my on the 10M road. I have been lucky to have a found a professionally overhauled 10M with great sound and playability. There are many things to get used to. One is the position of the thumrest en nek hook,. did you keep that original? Over time I will probably get used to it. Another main thing I noticed is that it played sharp over most of the register. I did use a tuner during checking but did not do it very elaborate. My teacher said to use a softer embouchere to drop the pitch and then finding balance between the presence of the note you want and the tuning of the horn by moving the mouthpiece. The first week I wrongly adjust by lowering my throat instead of loosening my embouchure. That was not comfortable to play but got that right already a bit more. Next to that i looked on fora like SOTW were they appeared to be pointing towards the mouthpiece as a problem. That is how i got to contact you because you used just the same setup without issues. I have in my notes that moutpiece alone should be G concert and moutpiece + neck E concert. I just checked with my old YTS 23 neck, regular blow gives E concert, same blow on my new 10M neck give E concert 40% sharp. I think this proves that I need to keep following my teachers advises and keep practicing long tones with tuning. And certainly on mouthpiece and neck alone. This has been very helpful. I am glad to be able to keep using my current mouthpiece because I was just getting the hang of it. The old lady will take time to adjust too. Loving the journey and the sound!
sorry for the elaborate answer :)
@@maartendeclercq Not a problem at all. I am happy to help you or anyone as far as I can. In particular when it concernes a Conn saxophone player :-) 40% sharp on the entire register is quite a lot indeed. I can only add that I think your teacher is right. Practising long notes is the best way to develope the right embouchure. He is also right about the softer embouchure. I call it an 'open' embouchure. Just drop your jaw down and it opens up your mouth captivity like making an 'O' sound. I tend to play without even letting my teeth touch the mouthpiece or the reed. Less lip pressure, only varying the airstream. I think you might call that a soft embouchure. Apart from the tuning it will also affect your tone and make it sound more bold and warm. It can be a little awkward at first but when you get used to it it will pay off I am sure. How much mouthpiece you take in will also affect your tone but that is up to you and what you prefer and feel comfortable with. Good luck! I hope it will work out well for you.
@@Jazzznbluezzz1 A few months down the road and learning to let my conn sing. With hours of long tones with a tuner my tuning problems resolved. Happy with the setup but in the long run probably will test some other mouthpiece. Any recommendations?
What standard is this ? And you have a lovely tone ❤️
Thanks!!! The tune is Just Friends
I didn't think that you were getting the full tonal value from the mouthpiece. Sorry.
you are surely right. Although I tried to the best of my ability. But I am convinced that there are much more skilled saxophone players who can make the V16 come into its own much more. Maybe I should have given more time. But on the other hand, this is it. This is how I sound on this mouthpiece. I would love to hear how other sax players sound on the same V16