I certainly want Pete back. I hope he comes back. But I also hope the contract negotiations don’t create any acrimony. I think club culture was a big part of the Mets’ success last year, so I want Pete back AND happy.
Absolutely. That chemistry was key to their success. Reminded me of the 04 Red Sox. When the relationship with Nomar soured over trade rumors during off season and they struggled until they eventually had to offload him mid season because his presence was making the clubhouse toxic. (He had every right to feel angry btw) But to your point keeping that relationship with ownership and the team solid is ultimately more important than the numbers.
Exactly bro. Hes the best we ever produced (I know I know wright) but this isn’t a good look for the kids in the minors). I can see them saying we all break our backs for the team and we can be the top of the heap and get played. But a FA gets 800M. They aren’t the same but it does reflect poorly.
If Pete wants to be here, he will and it’s in his best interest to do so. A chance to win and increase his stats. The Mets do have the upper hand though, with the market as it is, and the fact that there may be interest in a bridge first baseman to get to Vlad next year.
I am a Mets fan, but think he would get more from the Yankees for several reasons. 1. He will probably hit 50 home runs in front of judge. 2. They’ll probably offer him more money. 3. The Yankees will also be a better team than the Mets if the Mets lose Alonso and the Yankees gain him. 4. Their pitching is much better. 5. Chisholm, Bellinger, Alonso, Judge, Stanton would be more feared than Lindor, Soto, Vientos, Nimmo. 6. They are a shoe in to get to the WS again with that pitching and lineup, especially if the yanks grab Bregman too. Big mistake for the Mets if they let that happen. Worst move since Nolan Ryan and Jeff Kent trades. Ugh
Pretty incredible two years in a row you have an absolute superstar (Ohtani/soto) and a top tier international pitcher (Sasaki and yama). Glad we got Soto… dodgers got both last year.. it’s our turn lol
I met someone in the subway who is friends with someone who works at a chop shop outside of Citifield. He spoke to the mailman. The mailman says that Alonso got a registered letter that looked important without a return address. He peeled open the corner and just saw HS. He thought about it for a day and put it together. It was from Steinbrenner. So there it is.. fact . He's going to the Yankees. But then I know a guy who was delivering the soda tanks to Citifield and ....
Just give him a fair contract.....no reason to play hardball with a guy that's been a meaningful run producer and home run hitter since the day he arrived. Enough.... already.....we all know he didn't have his best last year but he still hit 34 and drove in close to 90. You crank out 765 for Soto and you can't give this guy 30 percent of that??? It's not a good look......if they play him out and decide they're not going to sign him it's not going to sit well in the clubhouse or with the fans. His AVAILABILITY is his biggest asset and it says a lot...... do you see how many highly desired players are missing games these days??? Not Pete....he's a GAMER.
Pete & Boras obviously miscalculated the value when refusing the METS pre-2024 season offer and having Pete play it out in 2024....Sometimes you win, other times you lose...METS should just offer him $1 million total deal less to save face and offer Pete a hefty front-end signing bonus as part of the overall deal to allow Pete & Boras to save face...
@@stanfromwestport2024 I don't think they need to let Pete and Boras save face..,.. they could just give him a little less than the original offer and let him know that they're happy to have him back. He's a grown man. The money he will get is fantastic for his future and his future family. They could even defer part of the money......he should be able to live HAPPILY with that. Nobody needs to give him sympathy hugs for a deal that's almost certainly going to be 100 million+.
I never saw Pete's fielding as a liability. He's not Keith Hernandez in the field but he makes the plays. He's reliable, and with Soto in the lineup, Alonso will hit 40 hr's plus.
If the Mets sign Roki Sasaki hypothetically, that means they’re out of Elian Peña correct? He’s the #2 prospect in the international class this year and they have a verbal agreement with him for $5 mil. I have nothing to back this up but I can see that kid becoming a stud, if they miss out on sasaki I wouldn’t be upset and if they still snag him
They don’t get Pete back and I’m not watching. I’ve heard a lot of fans say this, so I’m not alone here. Pete is being greedy and the Mets are being stubborn. It’s not even fun to watch these billionaires play baseball anymore.
It's crazy that because of the signings of Jose Lindor and Juan Soto for over a billion dollars, people are almost completely unaware of another nine figure contract with the Mets. They already signed Brandon Nimmo a 8 year $160M contract, then he promptly went out and batted . 220 😳 The Mets may be rich, but signing another aging and underperforming hitter for another hundred million dollars is insane. Move Vientos to first base and give Brett Baty a chance to find himself in this new lineup Honestly, I want Pete back, but he'd need to get realistic about his performance and market value. The Mets are trying to become a new kind of franchise, they can't get the reputation of the place for anybody to come and fleece them for big deals. That's the road back to mediocrity
You may be right, although I'd say $27ish is more in line for Pete...I think Vladdy Jr is here for Opening Day 2025...1) He has no interest in remaining in TOR & 2) Jayz get nothing if they don't trade for him before, or during 2025...But, at the mid-season MLB Trade Deadline, the Jayz recover less in exchange than doing a deal in this off-season...Vladdy probably commands somewhere around $400ish for 12 years...I don't think he quite gets to $40mil AAV, but he could...??!!
@LSharp609 Check out the report on Rotoworld. He named Alonso as one of four first basemen with whom teams have ceased attempting to negotiate because their demands are so high. If you deny that Passan said this your reading comprehension needs improvement .
There hasn’t been any rumors of Mets offers to Alonso so far in this process. Do you think they have made an offer at this point or are they just too far away so he is just shopping himself elsewhere for the time being?
Lemme ask this…. Did the Yankees tell jeter he needed to sign for cheap? Cuz Pete is out jeter for the last 5 years. Not saying he is jeter but he’s OUR GUY. He’s Mr Met. And I can’t see him getting less money than wright did 15 years ago lol
Jeff Passan of ESPN reports that nobody is talking to Alonso because his demands are astronomical. He adds that Alonso is prepared to sit out as long as necessary until someone meets his demand, as Boras clients often do.
That makes no sense for them. So sit out and give up $150m bc he thinks he’s worth over $200 when he clearly isn’t. Sick of these greedy players and I’m starting to think less of Pete now.
We need Alonzo because we have the worst starting rotation in baseball. If we can't score at least 7 runs a game will be just like the Washington Capitals. Let's try to stay out of the basement
It’s amazing that MLB execs are saying Alonso doesn’t really have a market and the off season, so far, is showing he doesn’t have a market yet some of you experts in this comment section are commenting like you know better. Lol. Alonso is a declining, unathletic, poor defending first baseman, yet some of you emotional weirdos are so attached to him.
There are very few teams out there who would be willing to pay Pete what he wants (or anywhere close to that). I think that’s why the Mets are being so patient and waiting this out a little bit.
I love Pete but the people not willing to look at the red flags around him need to. We truly don’t know if last year was cause of the contract pressure or if it’s real decline. Unless traded, we have a lefty first baseman in Clifford with real pop that I think Stearns is going to keep an eye on. We need to trust the FO to make the best decisions for the club and I don’t know if a contract longer than 3-4 years on a 31yo 1B is smart
Brandon Nimmo already fleeced the Mets for $160M, but nobody notices because they signed Lindor and Soto for a billion dollars. That was a heist, and the Mets aren't trying to look like a sucker franchise that just hands out monopoly money to anybody They've learned from Scherzer and Verlander, sometimes the best deal is the one you don't make. I want Pete to come back, but if he's hell bent on a nine figure contract, that will need to be somewhere else
He’s been declining for 3-4 seasons straight. His RBI, slugging percentage, OPS, total bases, and WAR have all gone down 3-4 seasons in a row and his strikeouts have gone up 3-4 seasons in a row. People have this ridiculous idea it was just the contract season. He’s been declining consistently.
Pete = 105% - 110% of Matt Chapman's Boras-negotiated mid-season 6 Year deal @ $151 million...Puts Pete @ $166 - $174 for 6 Years...Stats align with these figures since BA is similar, but Pete is far ahead in HRs & OPS and ahead in RBIs...Chapman is two-time Gold Glove @ 3rd base, whereas Pete is a decent 1st base glove, hence the 105% - 110% estimation...Since Boras reps both Chapman & Pete, a deal along these lines should get done
@@LI2Chesapeake You make it sound like like Alonso is done and should sign with a Japanese team. He has no future in MLB, who knew? I wish Pete well wherever he goes. Happy Holidays everyone!
The Mets aren’t mistreating him. They offered him a contract (a good one at that) and he turned it down. It’s just the nature of negotiations. If Pete feels offended that his market isn’t developing, that’s not the Mets’ fault, nor should he hold any resentment towards them
I certainly want Pete back. I hope he comes back. But I also hope the contract negotiations don’t create any acrimony. I think club culture was a big part of the Mets’ success last year, so I want Pete back AND happy.
Absolutely. That chemistry was key to their success. Reminded me of the 04 Red Sox. When the relationship with Nomar soured over trade rumors during off season and they struggled until they eventually had to offload him mid season because his presence was making the clubhouse toxic. (He had every right to feel angry btw) But to your point keeping that relationship with ownership and the team solid is ultimately more important than the numbers.
Exactly bro. Hes the best we ever produced (I know I know wright) but this isn’t a good look for the kids in the minors). I can see them saying we all break our backs for the team and we can be the top of the heap and get played. But a FA gets 800M. They aren’t the same but it does reflect poorly.
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90% of us want Pete back.
If Pete wants to be here, he will and it’s in his best interest to do so. A chance to win and increase his stats. The Mets do have the upper hand though, with the market as it is, and the fact that there may be interest in a bridge first baseman to get to Vlad next year.
I am a Mets fan, but think he would get more from the Yankees for several reasons.
1. He will probably hit 50 home runs in front of judge.
2. They’ll probably offer him more money.
3. The Yankees will also be a better team than the Mets if the Mets lose Alonso and the Yankees gain him.
4. Their pitching is much better.
5. Chisholm, Bellinger, Alonso, Judge, Stanton would be more feared than Lindor, Soto, Vientos, Nimmo.
6. They are a shoe in to get to the WS again with that pitching and lineup, especially if the yanks grab Bregman too.
Big mistake for the Mets if they let that happen. Worst move since Nolan Ryan and Jeff Kent trades. Ugh
Pretty incredible two years in a row you have an absolute superstar (Ohtani/soto) and a top tier international pitcher (Sasaki and yama). Glad we got Soto… dodgers got both last year.. it’s our turn lol
That would certainly help even the playing field a little. But we still need Pete. No Pete, no championship.
A cousin of one of the Citi Field hotdog vendors said Pete is close to signing a 5 year 125 million dollar deal with the Mets!!!!
Whew. That’s a relief!
Massive overpay
@@knickbockerz7536 Disagree...The guy sports a 43 HR & 112 RBI over 162-Game stats lifetime...Not easy to find those #s out there
I met someone in the subway who is friends with someone who works at a chop shop outside of Citifield. He spoke to the mailman. The mailman says that Alonso got a registered letter that looked important without a return address. He peeled open the corner and just saw HS. He thought about it for a day and put it together. It was from Steinbrenner. So there it is.. fact . He's going to the Yankees. But then I know a guy who was delivering the soda tanks to Citifield and ....
@@LI2Chesapeake I’m thrilled to see so many solid sources on Pete back to the Mets. Kind of seems like a lock now!
Just give him a fair contract.....no reason to play hardball with a guy that's been a meaningful run producer and home run hitter since the day he arrived. Enough.... already.....we all know he didn't have his best last year but he still hit 34 and drove in close to 90. You crank out 765 for Soto and you can't give this guy 30 percent of that??? It's not a good look......if they play him out and decide they're not going to sign him it's not going to sit well in the clubhouse or with the fans. His AVAILABILITY is his biggest asset and it says a lot...... do you see how many highly desired players are missing games these days??? Not Pete....he's a GAMER.
Pete & Boras obviously miscalculated the value when refusing the METS pre-2024 season offer and having Pete play it out in 2024....Sometimes you win, other times you lose...METS should just offer him $1 million total deal less to save face and offer Pete a hefty front-end signing bonus as part of the overall deal to allow Pete & Boras to save face...
Pete lost offer substainly less than that. He didnt earn any raise since, just got a year and a half older.
@@stanfromwestport2024 I don't think they need to let Pete and Boras save face..,.. they could just give him a little less than the original offer and let him know that they're happy to have him back. He's a grown man. The money he will get is fantastic for his future and his future family. They could even defer part of the money......he should be able to live HAPPILY with that. Nobody needs to give him sympathy hugs for a deal that's almost certainly going to be 100 million+.
The key is years. I’m happy to pay him fair value for 3-4 years, not 5-6 though.
3 yr deal take it or leave it. With a 1 yr opt out
I never saw Pete's fielding as a liability. He's not Keith Hernandez in the field but he makes the plays. He's reliable, and with Soto in the lineup, Alonso will hit 40 hr's plus.
But that's all Pete does. He's slightly better than Schwarber who is making 22 AAV.
If the Mets sign Roki Sasaki hypothetically, that means they’re out of Elian Peña correct? He’s the #2 prospect in the international class this year and they have a verbal agreement with him for $5 mil. I have nothing to back this up but I can see that kid becoming a stud, if they miss out on sasaki I wouldn’t be upset and if they still snag him
They don’t get Pete back and I’m not watching. I’ve heard a lot of fans say this, so I’m not alone here. Pete is being greedy and the Mets are being stubborn. It’s not even fun to watch these billionaires play baseball anymore.
It's crazy that because of the signings of Jose Lindor and Juan Soto for over a billion dollars, people are almost completely unaware of another nine figure contract with the Mets. They already signed Brandon Nimmo a 8 year $160M contract, then he promptly went out and batted . 220 😳
The Mets may be rich, but signing another aging and underperforming hitter for another hundred million dollars is insane. Move Vientos to first base and give Brett Baty a chance to find himself in this new lineup
Honestly, I want Pete back, but he'd need to get realistic about his performance and market value. The Mets are trying to become a new kind of franchise, they can't get the reputation of the place for anybody to come and fleece them for big deals. That's the road back to mediocrity
A Brett Battey trade podcast? Lol. How long does it take to say we were offered a bag of balls.
Pete come back on a three year 90 million with a opt out clause. Next year the Mets sign Vladimir Guerrero JR..
You may be right, although I'd say $27ish is more in line for Pete...I think Vladdy Jr is here for Opening Day 2025...1) He has no interest in remaining in TOR & 2) Jayz get nothing if they don't trade for him before, or during 2025...But, at the mid-season MLB Trade Deadline, the Jayz recover less in exchange than doing a deal in this off-season...Vladdy probably commands somewhere around $400ish for 12 years...I don't think he quite gets to $40mil AAV, but he could...??!!
Jeff Passan is reporting that Alonso is willing to sit out as long as necessary to get a monster contract.
@@GeraldM_inNC what you talking about? He didn't say that.
@LSharp609 Check out the report on Rotoworld. He named Alonso as one of four first basemen with whom teams have ceased attempting to negotiate because their demands are so high. If you deny that Passan said this your reading comprehension needs improvement .
There hasn’t been any rumors of Mets offers to Alonso so far in this process. Do you think they have made an offer at this point or are they just too far away so he is just shopping himself elsewhere for the time being?
Bring Pete back pleae
Lemme ask this…. Did the Yankees tell jeter he needed to sign for cheap? Cuz Pete is out jeter for the last 5 years. Not saying he is jeter but he’s OUR GUY. He’s Mr Met. And I can’t see him getting less money than wright did 15 years ago lol
Jeff Passan of ESPN reports that nobody is talking to Alonso because his demands are astronomical. He adds that Alonso is prepared to sit out as long as necessary until someone meets his demand, as Boras clients often do.
That makes no sense for them. So sit out and give up $150m bc he thinks he’s worth over $200 when he clearly isn’t. Sick of these greedy players and I’m starting to think less of Pete now.
@Dan-tt8sn He said last summer during an interview that he wanted the bidding to start at 300 million.
We need Alonzo because we have the worst starting rotation in baseball. If we can't score at least 7 runs a game will be just like the Washington Capitals. Let's try to stay out of the basement
Why not put the money Alonso is demanding into pitching?
It’s amazing that MLB execs are saying Alonso doesn’t really have a market and the off season, so far, is showing he doesn’t have a market yet some of you experts in this comment section are commenting like you know better. Lol. Alonso is a declining, unathletic, poor defending first baseman, yet some of you emotional weirdos are so attached to him.
The Giants have a top 1st base prospect ready to come up soon. Don't see them giving Alonso a long term deal.
There are very few teams out there who would be willing to pay Pete what he wants (or anywhere close to that). I think that’s why the Mets are being so patient and waiting this out a little bit.
Mets are mad Pete didn’t take the 7-158. Hope they don’t rub it in too hard cuz it’s not a good look for the kids coming up.
Pete is not only the best FA out there, he’s also the cutest. 🥰💙🧡
I love Pete but the people not willing to look at the red flags around him need to. We truly don’t know if last year was cause of the contract pressure or if it’s real decline.
Unless traded, we have a lefty first baseman in Clifford with real pop that I think Stearns is going to keep an eye on.
We need to trust the FO to make the best decisions for the club and I don’t know if a contract longer than 3-4 years on a 31yo 1B is smart
Brandon Nimmo already fleeced the Mets for $160M, but nobody notices because they signed Lindor and Soto for a billion dollars. That was a heist, and the Mets aren't trying to look like a sucker franchise that just hands out monopoly money to anybody
They've learned from Scherzer and Verlander, sometimes the best deal is the one you don't make. I want Pete to come back, but if he's hell bent on a nine figure contract, that will need to be somewhere else
He’s been declining for 3-4 seasons straight. His RBI, slugging percentage, OPS, total bases, and WAR have all gone down 3-4 seasons in a row and his strikeouts have gone up 3-4 seasons in a row. People have this ridiculous idea it was just the contract season. He’s been declining consistently.
Pete = 105% - 110% of Matt Chapman's Boras-negotiated mid-season 6 Year deal @ $151 million...Puts Pete @ $166 - $174 for 6 Years...Stats align with these figures since BA is similar, but Pete is far ahead in HRs & OPS and ahead in RBIs...Chapman is two-time Gold Glove @ 3rd base, whereas Pete is a decent 1st base glove, hence the 105% - 110% estimation...Since Boras reps both Chapman & Pete, a deal along these lines should get done
You don't get it..
@@LI2Chesapeake You make it sound like like Alonso is done and should sign with a Japanese team. He has no future in MLB, who knew?
I wish Pete well wherever he goes.
Happy Holidays everyone!
The closest comparison is to Schwarber, who is only making 22 AAV. One dimensional home run hitter.
5 yrs/150 with opt out after year 3
The best deal Alonso was going to get, was the one he passed on last season.
Let's talk about that we have no pitching why won't you do that
Come on wake up we have no pitching
You act like deferrals are free. They still need to pay it
If nobody wants him then why in the hell should we take him back!!!!!!! Go trade for vlad
Pete will always have a market. People are just waiting for other things to resolve
Let Alonso go, he is more than likely on the decline & I don’t care about a Met HR record, I care about championships. Come on guys let’s get better.
And there's no better firstbaseman out there. 4 yrs 26M period . Don't want it sign a 1 yr stop gap.
Better not wait too long. He's home grown. Treat him right. He's not going to come crawling back. Pete's worth a five year deal for $150 million.
The Mets aren’t mistreating him. They offered him a contract (a good one at that) and he turned it down. It’s just the nature of negotiations. If Pete feels offended that his market isn’t developing, that’s not the Mets’ fault, nor should he hold any resentment towards them
He wants more than double that.