I have had the wylde 20 BCA 1n9 for just over a week now. Thanks for the video because I found out it likes some ammo and not others, thought I was having a bad range day but your video helped clear it up.Thanks again.
Glad I could help. Another thing that may be a factor is just rounds through the barrel. My 223 Wylde didn't really shoot worth a crap until after a few hundred rounds. Then and rather suddenly it tightened up substantially. If you reload you already know this I'm sure but distance off the lands makes a huge difference. If you don't reload then try every brand of ammo you can find. Probably the best factory ammo I've ever shot in my BCA .223 Wylde is IMI Razor Core 77grain HPBT Match and compared to other companies "match" ammo it's priced good.
most barrels are pretty much described in your description including my firend 2 Krieger...yeah handloading is what shows a barrels true accuracy tbh anyways
@@brutalwarpig what you need to do is shoot 100 to 150 rounds clean it well with boretech all the copper carbon etc lie spotless then shoot 5 or 10 rounds of whatever brass cased ammo like standard ball to prep the barrel than from now onward you start accuracy testing...even with box ammo ever since I started doing that break-in procedure on all my customer builds and there about 1moa or better most ss barrel are way better
@@absolutegunrights3079 sorry just saw your question. It's not amazingly accurate but it does shoot .91 MOA 3 shot groups with the best hand loads I've come up with which certainly isn't bad.
BCA advertise their barrels at 1 MOA accuracy with specific ammo. I bet that barrel will do better with hand loads that are worked up. Thanks for the upload, sir.
I just got the 20inch ss heavy fluted side charging upper and im hoping iij can find some factory loads that'll get me under an inch. Thanks for the video
If you have a fast twist rate I think you will see better results with projectiles that weigh in the 70 to 80 grain range. My barrel didn't group very well until i had put a couple hundred rounds through it and its never liked 55 grain bullets. The first factory ammo that grouped well in mine was Hornady Black 75 grain BTHP. I can't believe how high BCA has gotten in the last 6-9 months! Good luck with it and let me know if you have questions about it. Especially if you get into loading your own ammo. The very best I could do with high end factory "match" ammo was about 1.25 M.O.A. but when i developed my own loads I got my 5 shot group size average to .68 M.O.A
The 55gr .223 bullets need 1/12 twist for good accuracy. The 1/8 twist excels with the 75gr and 77gr, and still does okay with 62gr. For shooting steel at the range, 55gr works great out of any twist rate. For a basic self defense load, I run M855 62gr. But for precision at distance, I always have a mag on my carrier with 75gr Hornady Super Match. Good hunting, Patriots! 🇺🇸
Yes I did. I always do my version of a precision rifle barrel break in. 1 shot then clean 5 times then 3 shots and clean 3 times then 10 shots and clean twice. On the 10 shot set shoot like you intend to normally shoot the rifle. If you intend to shoot 600 to 800 yards with a 223 or 5.56 then single feed the rounds or lock the bolt open after each shot and allow the barrel to cool at least 3 minutes between shots. If you don't plan to shoot past 400 yards then 1 minutes breaks between shots is fine. If you only plan to shoot 200 yards or less shoot as fast as you want. Also try to use the same bullet or at least bullet weight that you plan to use on a regular basis for the break in. The idea is the same as with breaking in a new car motor. You are putting on a running finish in the barrel. In the world of the machinist this would involve 2 machined surfaces that would always be wearing against each other. Since you can't shoot the same bullet over and over then the next best thing is to shoot the same bullet brand and weight over and over. This break in process is really only the first step and will take off the roughest ridges and imperfections in the rifling cuts. This process continues in a gradually diminishing degree over the next 100 or so shots. Keep in mind that this entire break in process will likely only make a 10% improvement in accuracy compared to your first groups. It won't fix a bad barrel but it will help. Bullet weight, quality and twist rate are also big factors as is the crown. A muzzle device can cause problems too. I've always compared groups with and without the muzzle device. By the way I'm about to post my 1000 yard shot group pics from this weekend with my BCA .224 Valkyrie, they are spectacular!
I have a 18" wasp nest barrel from bca 55g hornady vmax no complaints under inch groups but 1$ a round I have similar results with fmj ammo like yours 3 + inch groups but for 99$ no complaints
The "wasps best" barrel is interesting and seems like it would cool well. I've always preferred non fluted heavy barrels because 90% of my rifle shooting is either prone or off of a bench. My concern would be how does the routing effect p.o.i. as the barrel heats up. Now if this is your south Texas feral hog hunting rig and you haul it around on your shoulder all day that's a totally different situation. You definitely wouldn't want either of my AR's on your shoulder all day! Lol what is the twist on your barrel?
1:8 I have just started load development for this rifle. I'm literally sitting at my loading bench calculating max o.a.l. I will post an update with the results when I'm done.
@@brutalwarpig I have been shooting factory loads out of my 20 inch stainless steel straight fluted barrel in 223 wydle in 1 in 9 twist. Federal American Eagle 55 gr. military grade, Winchester target 55 gr. , Hornady Super Formance 53 gr and Remington 55 gr. All shot over 2 to 3 inch groups. I would like to try one more factory load ( Fiocchi ). I have been in contact with Bear Creek Arsenal and they have said to send it back if it is not accomplishing a inch group.
I've started reloading and it's made a spectacular difference. Here are the bullet and group sizes. If you want my load recipe let me know. Sierra 55g HPBT .516 moa, Hornady 68g HPBT .783 moa, Sierra TMK 77g .219 moa, Hornady ELD Match 75g .440 moa and Berger 77g HPBT target 1.271 moa. I was disappointed with the Berger but it was probably my shooting at fault. Generally speaking the heavier weight bullets do better in my 20" 1-8 twist BCA barrel. I was very happy with the Sierra 55g HPBT though.
@@allencrossland1973 If you still have it try the heaviest bullet ammo you can find. I've shot factory 40 grain ELD-X in Fiocci ammo and got 2-3 inch groups then I shot Hornady Match and Superformance loaded with 75grain BTHP and ELD Match and shot .435 to .562 m.o.a. Basically one big hole. The heavy bullets made a huge difference
I have had the wylde 20 BCA 1n9 for just over a week now. Thanks for the video because I found out it likes some ammo and not others, thought I was having a bad range day but your video helped clear it up.Thanks again.
Glad I could help. Another thing that may be a factor is just rounds through the barrel. My 223 Wylde didn't really shoot worth a crap until after a few hundred rounds. Then and rather suddenly it tightened up substantially. If you reload you already know this I'm sure but distance off the lands makes a huge difference. If you don't reload then try every brand of ammo you can find. Probably the best factory ammo I've ever shot in my BCA .223 Wylde is IMI Razor Core 77grain HPBT Match and compared to other companies "match" ammo it's priced good.
most barrels are pretty much described in your description including my firend 2 Krieger...yeah handloading is what shows a barrels true accuracy tbh anyways
@@brutalwarpig what you need to do is shoot 100 to 150 rounds clean it well with boretech all the copper carbon etc lie spotless then shoot 5 or 10 rounds of whatever brass cased ammo like standard ball to prep the barrel than from now onward you start accuracy testing...even with box ammo ever since I started doing that break-in procedure on all my customer builds and there about 1moa or better most ss barrel are way better
What kind of groups is it giving you at 100 yd?
@@absolutegunrights3079 sorry just saw your question. It's not amazingly accurate but it does shoot .91 MOA 3 shot groups with the best hand loads I've come up with which certainly isn't bad.
BCA advertise their barrels at 1 MOA accuracy with specific ammo. I bet that barrel will do better with hand loads that are worked up. Thanks for the upload, sir.
You should try the test again with the gun bagged, front and back. Just get two socks and fill them with sand. That makes a good gun rest.
Bear Creek Arsenal recommend to shoot 69 grain hollow point boat Tails or Full Metal Jacket 69 grains bullet
I just got the 20inch ss heavy fluted side charging upper and im hoping iij can find some factory loads that'll get me under an inch. Thanks for the video
If you have a fast twist rate I think you will see better results with projectiles that weigh in the 70 to 80 grain range. My barrel didn't group very well until i had put a couple hundred rounds through it and its never liked 55 grain bullets. The first factory ammo that grouped well in mine was Hornady Black 75 grain BTHP. I can't believe how high BCA has gotten in the last 6-9 months! Good luck with it and let me know if you have questions about it. Especially if you get into loading your own ammo. The very best I could do with high end factory "match" ammo was about 1.25 M.O.A. but when i developed my own loads I got my 5 shot group size average to .68 M.O.A
The 55gr .223 bullets need 1/12 twist for good accuracy. The 1/8 twist excels with the 75gr and 77gr, and still does okay with 62gr. For shooting steel at the range, 55gr works great out of any twist rate. For a basic self defense load, I run M855 62gr. But for precision at distance, I always have a mag on my carrier with 75gr Hornady Super Match. Good hunting, Patriots! 🇺🇸
@@brutalwarpig thanks. Loading to find our nodes are where its it.
Did you do any kind of break in on your barrel before shooting these groups? Working through this with my BCA.
Yes I did. I always do my version of a precision rifle barrel break in. 1 shot then clean 5 times then 3 shots and clean 3 times then 10 shots and clean twice. On the 10 shot set shoot like you intend to normally shoot the rifle. If you intend to shoot 600 to 800 yards with a 223 or 5.56 then single feed the rounds or lock the bolt open after each shot and allow the barrel to cool at least 3 minutes between shots. If you don't plan to shoot past 400 yards then 1 minutes breaks between shots is fine. If you only plan to shoot 200 yards or less shoot as fast as you want. Also try to use the same bullet or at least bullet weight that you plan to use on a regular basis for the break in. The idea is the same as with breaking in a new car motor. You are putting on a running finish in the barrel. In the world of the machinist this would involve 2 machined surfaces that would always be wearing against each other. Since you can't shoot the same bullet over and over then the next best thing is to shoot the same bullet brand and weight over and over. This break in process is really only the first step and will take off the roughest ridges and imperfections in the rifling cuts. This process continues in a gradually diminishing degree over the next 100 or so shots. Keep in mind that this entire break in process will likely only make a 10% improvement in accuracy compared to your first groups. It won't fix a bad barrel but it will help. Bullet weight, quality and twist rate are also big factors as is the crown. A muzzle device can cause problems too. I've always compared groups with and without the muzzle device. By the way I'm about to post my 1000 yard shot group pics from this weekend with my BCA .224 Valkyrie, they are spectacular!
I have a 18" wasp nest barrel from bca 55g hornady vmax no complaints under inch groups but 1$ a round I have similar results with fmj ammo like yours 3 + inch groups but for 99$ no complaints
The "wasps best" barrel is interesting and seems like it would cool well. I've always preferred non fluted heavy barrels because 90% of my rifle shooting is either prone or off of a bench. My concern would be how does the routing effect p.o.i. as the barrel heats up. Now if this is your south Texas feral hog hunting rig and you haul it around on your shoulder all day that's a totally different situation. You definitely wouldn't want either of my AR's on your shoulder all day! Lol what is the twist on your barrel?
@@brutalwarpig 1:8
Have you ever noticed your p.o.i. move as the barrel heated up?
@@jaimethrower6340 good deal you should be able to shoot 75grain ELD's and 77grain TSMK's with that barrel and both are superbly accurate!
What twist was your 20 inch barrel?
1:8 I have just started load development for this rifle. I'm literally sitting at my loading bench calculating max o.a.l. I will post an update with the results when I'm done.
@@brutalwarpig I have been shooting factory loads out of my 20 inch stainless steel straight fluted barrel in 223 wydle in 1 in 9 twist. Federal American Eagle 55 gr. military grade, Winchester target 55 gr. , Hornady Super Formance 53 gr and Remington 55 gr. All shot over 2 to 3 inch groups. I would like to try one more factory load ( Fiocchi ). I have been in contact with Bear Creek Arsenal and they have said to send it back if it is not accomplishing a inch group.
I've started reloading and it's made a spectacular difference. Here are the bullet and group sizes. If you want my load recipe let me know. Sierra 55g HPBT .516 moa, Hornady 68g HPBT .783 moa, Sierra TMK 77g .219 moa, Hornady ELD Match 75g .440 moa and Berger 77g HPBT target 1.271 moa. I was disappointed with the Berger but it was probably my shooting at fault. Generally speaking the heavier weight bullets do better in my 20" 1-8 twist BCA barrel. I was very happy with the Sierra 55g HPBT though.
@@allencrossland1973 If you still have it try the heaviest bullet ammo you can find. I've shot factory 40 grain ELD-X in Fiocci ammo and got 2-3 inch groups then I shot Hornady Match and Superformance loaded with 75grain BTHP and ELD Match and shot .435 to .562 m.o.a. Basically one big hole. The heavy bullets made a huge difference
@@brutalwarpig Just finished buying a few heavier bullets to reload and try, thanks again for the input and video.
I expect such shitty groups coming from BCA. #NeverBuyBCA
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