La Habra condo residents dealing with two massive sinkholes
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- Опубликовано: 15 мар 2023
- Residents of a La Habra condo complex who have been living with a growing sinkhole since 2019 are now dealing with a second sinkhole, and many of them are angry that repairs still haven't been made. Rick Chambers reports for KTLA 5 News at 10, Mar. 16, 2023.
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That’s not a sink hole, that’s bad engineering
I was going to say, as someone from Florida who now lives in California, this is not a sinkhole at all!
It use to be a creek before they built up on top
Correct, that is a design problem, not a sink hole.
The owner\builder should be responsible for installing 100's of tons of weight on top of an old drain field system.
We're not even allowed to drive on them ! ffs.
@@JJ-bg1ym Yup, as a fellow Floridian, if that was a sinkhole it would be swallowing up a lot more than pavement. Honestly, if they got a decent engineer, it could be a quick fix.
Yup, that drainage canal cap was not designed properly, should’ve been a lot thicker and maybe deeper too
So its not sink holes....it's a collapsed tunnel, there is a huge difference
ha ha ... the end result is the SAME #DUH #WATTAMORON
@@rhuephus Sinkholes are a geologic process. This is a contractor’s f*ck up. And, twinkle twinkle, little star, what you say is what you are.
The city allowed the Condos to be built on this location and city inspectors should have forced the removal of the capped drain. Instead the city allowed the contractor to cover the area with dirt to hide the problem. The city and the contractors are clearly to blame.
Yup
You win. Best response. I agree this goes back to "do no harm." The CITY knew this was a shoddy location to build. Case closed. Pay ALL homeowners the market price for their condos. Then send in the demolition crew. Solved. Move on.
$$$$$ that’s why anything related with money / greed is the root of all evil.
What city and state is this in? What don't they say that.
If I'm not mistaken, there's actually a law that was passed not long ago to where after 1 year, contractors are not responsible. On the flip side, *"inspectors"* are never held accountable.
All condo/renters need to deposit their HOA fees into an escrow account until this is completely repaired. They also need to renegotiate HOA fees for not being able to use facilities they've been paying for years.
They need to have their heads examined for moving anywhere with a hoa!!!! No sympathy!!!
Why are renters paying into the HOA in the first place? Isn't that covered by the landlord they rent from? I guess it's part of the rental fee?
There are bigger issues there than the hoa fees you numbskull
SPOT On !!!!!?
HOAs are Fascists.
Whoever approved the plans to build and do all the added soil deposition is the responsible party. I bet the city signed off.
They got their money.
Most likely a water leak or underground stream
I agree 😊
City Planner, Risk Management and the City Civil Engineer ALL had to "approve" the construction of the condos.
Also City Planning Commission.
Who were the "Consultants" the city "contracted" with ?
I'm sure they pay the city utility tax on time.
@All World Construction LLC : You clearly didn't watch the video before commenting. Take a minute to do so. The reason for the collapse is clearly shown.
Who approved building houses along that gigantic pipe and adding dirt onto it? As if it would never collapse. Seems like a lack of judgement.
they redid the foundation of the houses but to save money they didn’t redo the foundation for the courtyard
Not only that it use to be a creek along time ago
Probably a out of country investor
What do you know, I agree with DB.
...maybe somebody was paid-off!?!
yall should do some research into these contractors and engineers who worked on this project, see what other projects they did around the time this was done. this is some seriously gross negligence and malpractice, everything they worked on should be investigated
That’s not a sinkhole they created that mess
terrifying and heartbreaking. The owners of these condos cannot sell them now. The party responsible for fixing this would be, in my opinion, are whatever city engineers approved this construction in the first place. Not the condo owners or the HOA.
Ukraine has room for them. America is full!
Nope the Builders They new about It’s there f up
@@GizaDog shut up
The city is responsible. That’s why permits and inspections are done, to make sure a building site is safe. The inspectors work for the city.
Indeed, just like those homes falling off cliffs in Utah, where the engineer approved the job.
They waiting for a child to fall in their to get fixed. Just waiting for a tragedy to happen
"Almighty $$$$$"
exactly what i was thinking. somebody has to die on the altar of $$$$ for the contractors' cheap corner cutting sins
that is a 1970's thought ....now it needs to be a Transgender one eyed amputee .....
Yeah theres a lot of that happened in California. I dont know how these construction companies and developers get away with building on those unstable foundation , They try to cover up old sites that just end up collapsing on the foundation , then ever thing starts to crack and fall apart. Then ever thing is so expensive because you have to have regulations and permits because of this situation.
It's never gonna get any better so get used to it
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Greedy cruel people
That's now a community pool area.
Builders get away with all kinds of violations and sign offs of inspections. At my townhouse, while remodeling the bathroom, I discovered 1/2 the insulation was missing from the ceiling. After the 1994 Northridge earthquake repairs to our lowest level revealed that water barriers were not properly installed. In addition, a very long block wall had not been properly reinforced or built with required support pillars. All of these oversights were totally ignored during initial construction.
yep those are the jobs of the inspectors
I won’t say who but look at who is actually building everything in Southern California. When I see these people I know our roads and buildings are not built properly they just wanna do work and go home and drink a tall can
Did the owner\builder decide to build over the top of an old drain system without removing it or filling it in?
Who approved such a dangerous build ?
The City?
Imagine them raising the Hoa and them not doing anything about the huge sink hole
HOA when I heard that well, that says it all, meanwhile.......
La Brea might actually be La Habra 😮
In the early 2020s, a massive sinkhole opens in the middle of Los Angeles at the site of the La Brea Tar Pits and Wilshire Boulevard. Hundreds of people, vehicles and buildings (including the distinctive Petersen Automotive Museum) are pulled into its depths. The survivors find themselves trapped in a mysterious and dangerous primeval land where they must band together to survive.
You should write a script for this movie.
@@tuomasholo
That's from the show that airs on NBC "La Brea"
We need more 😂
*waits for Tommy Lee Jones to do something about it*
@@Mary7nlov
The show follows Eve Harris, Gavin Harris, Izzy Harris, and Josh Harris who are separated by the events and attempting to reunite. Gavin has visions providing glimpses of when and where Eve and Josh are. The sinkhole and the sudden appearance of Teratornis has attracted the attention of the United States Department of Homeland Security who are studying a similar event in the Mojave Desert. As the series progresses, the investigators realize that the sinkholes provide a temporary portal to the same location in 10,000 BC. Meanwhile, the survivors struggle to find a way back through the portal before it closes up.
The liability rests with the original developer who put profit over sanity. But hey, the developers are long gone.
Not a sinkhole.
it's a QBC hole in the ground
It's not a mess it was an accident waiting to happen. I always say the Architects and Engineers think they know it all, no common sense.
The wise man builds his house on a rock
News stories last year said the city got $8.5 million from state to fix it.
Fill it with water 💦 😂 turn it into a community swimming pool
Seems like multiple contractors and investors had their hands on the property. The first one did the thin concreting and then new handlers without realizing how thin the contrete was, might have assumed a solid ground. To give the courtyard elevation they filled it with mud.
Most work goes to the one who can do it the cheapest and the old saying goes, you get what you pay for..
Facts
This is a drainage easement, city is responsible. end of story
Not that easy, did they have permission to put 6 feet of dirt on top of a thin layer of concrete? Someone is negligent. No way you look at a thin hollow piece of concrete and not rate the weight it can handle.
It was built on a big duck pond...saw the pond for years before condos were built on it
It was a scam from the beginning that area was built...🤔whose idea was it to cover a watered down area with 6ft of dirt & then build an entire complex over it but the part that's left to the owners responsibility over the ditch area...smh..they should sue whoever approved that construction to be built on that foundation & called it safe & ok to do..on another note does that mean we own property all the way down to the earth core? I mean since the earth is caving in & the owners gotta pay?
The builders are the ones that messed up putting a thin cap on it then all that dirt then grass and tress .They new it was going to do this Years ago . They got there money they didn’t care Rich people for you
Might aswell make it an underground parking lot for the residents, just be sure to structure it well.
When you build fast and sell property to the higher paid😂 there will be a sink hole in sfv a hill that was turned into condos, its funny as a kid the hill was a bike spot with under caves,😮 topanga canyon just past parthenia toward chatsworth to the left you cant miss 8t. But it was another rushed project. Sadly kids who know still see cave area and all that weight will be unbearable soon. You heard it here first
Never should have built on landfills..
It use to be a creek kids in the 70s 89s calked it monkey island
The HOA should pay for it. Americans decided to hand control to private entities to take away owners’ rights the the purpose of taking away non owners’ rights. That’s what you get. They wanna be responsible for everything, take responsibility.
HOA U.S. funded by the residents. So I don’t know how that would get settled.
@@happydayz7857 that makes sense. Take the money they’ve been extorting for basically nothing especially if they’ve lost access to everything anyway and use that. Or use the insurance.
Thank You
whoever designed this got their degree online
Or got their degree normally in America, it's just as worthless as an online degree
**WARNING: Democrats at " work."
Who should be paying to fix the Sinkhole? The HOA and the Condo Tenants! Had friends who lived in attached Condos, and when 1 of their Roof Leaks and need new Roofing, the Whole Residents living in that Complex had to Chip in to pay for just the Repairs!
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Did anybody survey the land before the started to build heavy buildings on a cover up drainage canal? 🤦🏽♂️
Look at the thickness of the concrete there! Ridiculous
What a cluster. Is it worth it to live in SoCAL? You guys have been going through it.
Maybe they should change the name of TV show La Brea to La Habra....
@Delta9SFBay11
I know right 😄
And how much are they paying in association dues?
I've got an easy fix, det charge the remainder of the cap, clean it up, plant some trees around it and make it a pond. Then you can say it's waterfront property!
THESE PEOPLE ARE GENIUSES
Feels like the city is responsible for approving the project. There is no way a structural engineer approved this. Those pipes would never hold, not to mention roots from those trees probably contributed to additional damage. Someone's hands got greased to get that going. Terrible situation getting worse for lack of action.
Do we know if the city actually approved it. And even so, that might not make the city responsible. If the city approves your poorly built electrical and it goes bad, I'm not sure the city is liable for replacing it. The homeowner likely would still have to replace it and be indemnified by the builder.
Poor planning. Think about it. Why do you think the actual apartments are flanking the area where the pipe is. Whoever the architect is and the company that built these buildings didn't do this right. The city, the county, or whose eve jurisdiction this falls under is responsible for checking and inspecting the projects. Before,during, and after completion. Is a sad situation of hot potato.
The builders the ones that put A thin cap on it Then 6 ft of dirt Then grass and trees
I used to travel throughout La Habra on my way to Albertsons warehouse. Wow that’s crazy.!
Dig out the dirt and fill the old wash underneath as a lake with water. Becomes a landscape feature.
yeah .. until all that water sinks into the SAND and causes more problems !! #DUH
@@rhuephus I Guess listening is not your forte. There is a concrete wash underneath.
@@rustybros If you look at it Most of it’s gone It’s old
Depending on the neighborhood ethnicity,I think that has an issue? I live in a mostly Hispanic community And we have a city street that is a busy fairway that has not been repaired in over 12 years from water damage! The whole street has bubbled up into almost a jumping ramp. They had to put barricades to slow people down for 12 years on this one street.
If this was Beverly Hills, Orange County, Thousand Oaks Newberry Park Malibu, it would be taken care of right away the following days!
Disgusting how the city works!
So they mean that rent is free
Look for Meadow Creek in Scranton, PA news story. Same thing happened and the city was sued and lost. The creek was much smaller but same thing. Old underground creek that runs behind and UNDER many houses collapsed. They have made repairs with more long-term replacement to come.
With an 8 million dollar budget a solid ground remediation team could have long resolved that issue, now it may go over budget..
Remove the HOA Board and create a new one.
At least it's between structures now and something can be done. Not much an issue in this geology until I see a 3-ft diameter section of front compound begin to sag. A pipe connector failed and was feeding a steady water supply into the whole area; 5 feet of saturation (rocky clay, fortunately). Rather disconcerting for the "solid" ground to decide different.
I can see how condo owners are forced to deal with this tragedy. But renters? I’d have made moving a priority years ago when this sinkhole mess started.
It’s not a sinkhole It’s bad Playing On the builder On a thin cap you don’t put all that dirt grass of trees on
The developer created the drainage leak and the city inspectors approved of the work the developer did...the developer insurance company is responsible...
Time to move people. Do not wait trusting these people.
My parents house had the road replaced and discovered they hadn’t replaced the pipes underneath when one of them ruptured about a week later and created a 10 foot wide, 6 foot deep sinkhole. They had to patch the brand new road.
Same problem as Surfside. Everyone must come up with their share to fix it.
I'm the same situation here in Texas, we don't have access to our property from the main street, we enter thru an alley the have sinkhole called the city for maintenance! Said is a personal property not able to fixed! Luckily I'm close to one of the main entrance I fixed myself one of the sinkhole I'm a 69yrs old lady is a shame the city is not able to do nothing.
La Habra got their money from the builder's permits and the tenants taxes. Unless the city specifically restricted placing soil and trees over the area, they should never have approved the building permit and should be held liable today. I suspect good old corruption at city hall. Tenets need to LAWYER UP now.
Homeowners need to come together and file a suit against the Hoa
La Habra only cares about permit fees. Same as with the McColl WWII approved dumping ground for oil sludge. We used to ride our dirt bikes there and called it the Tar Pits as there was an area where if you stopped, you would start to sink.
Meanwhile the money for the cleanup/repair sits in a bank drawing interest that some shyster government official will use to buy him/herself a new home or boat with
You can call it a money pit 🙄 I couldn't live in a place like that 😬
Whoever put the concrete pipe in is responsible. Pretty simple.
Um, pause it at 1:05.... whoa, look at how deep that thing goes beneath the ground! I think they have some serious problems in the near future.
That guy seems pretty calm to be in a situation like that. I
The only thing needed in area that colapsed was more dirt to fill it in. The filled in area becomes a safe zone in the courtyard and keep the rest fenced off for safety. In time it will all colapse and can be filled in as it does. I am sure the residents would be happy to at least have part of the courtyard open for use.
I am seeing several unstable road surfaces at Beach Blvd. and Imperial Hwy area. So this could be not only problem for that specific condos but for the whole area.
😂the city knew it and just ignored it. Now, it got deeper. Bravo la Habra 👏
The builders That’s who you go after not the city
Never should've built on top of the old cemetery ⚰️👻
😮 Crazy that no one wants to take responsibility!!! Obviously NOT the renter’s fault!!!
So they can just fill it up with concrete and boulders to close it off if the city doesn't claim ownership of it.
It’s the builders That there f up
Everyone is on their own
The HOA should be fixing the issue reguarless and then suing the city, even if they don't think it their responsibility. It's called mitigating damages, if the HOA doesn't fix it and it gets worse any additional damages will be on the HOA
Wait! Who are the builders and why aren’t THEY being sued? That as a stupid plan and an accident waiting to happen, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it’s not connected to some type of deregulation of the building industry years ago! Seems your reporters should be doing some serious investigative reporting! I also think the term “sinkhole” should be used for NATURALLY occurring collapses!
Facts That’s a f up on the builder
They moved to Mexico
Who owns the pipe, the city, the county, the State, or the HOA? You have to look back at 1979 records when the condos were built.
Whoever was responsible for approving the development of that property on that site without dealing with the infrastructure issues before construction began is who should be held responsible now. “The City” had to approve plans and give permits and “The City” should have been aware of what infrastructure issues that existed at the time it approved construction. The people running the “The City” now are probably completely different people than those who ran it at the time of planning approvals and permits but “The City” is still responsible for this problem. When cities build high density housing units like condos on a piece of land they reap far greater municipal e taxes from the condo owners than they would if the land was not developed or had been developed as far fewer single family homes. Its time “The City” looked after its residents and its responsibilities.
😱😢🙏 poor people God Bless You I prayer ..🙏😢
How long does it take to get a building permit in California? And you see negligence like this that is put off !! People are leaving California in droves
In some cases because of all the environmental and regulatory bodies involved, 20-plus years.
What a nightmare. sorry to those residents.
City engineer didn’t do the job at the time of building … so it’s a city problem
I only know half of everything, but it seems that a series of wells need to be drilled along the course of the old canal which, (if pumped and monitored over time), would dry up.
I ❤️ KTLA.
I feel bad for the residents, but this is what happens when you have bad city management. They need to stop building on sand and clay.
That's insane 😳, only in America 🇺🇸; the developers build the project *'on sande'.*
This is my hometown. In fact, my elementary and middle schools are less than half a mile away. Glad I moved far away after high school graduation. Go Highlanders! /s
Sinkholes are formed when the land surface above collapses or sinks into the cavities or when surface material is carried downward into the voids. Drought, along with resulting high groundwater withdrawals, can make conditions favorable for sinkholes to form.
WTH, that thin cap for holding tons of dirt. City officials who signed off on the plans need to pay for this blatant disregard for Engineering principles.
HILARIOUS !
The U.S., still the BEST SITCOM on Earth !
It really is AWARD WINNING COMEDY...
This didn't just happen - it was YEARS in the delivery - now that the 'punchline' has arrived, no one thinks it's funny ?
C'mon where's your sense of humour ?
You did it to yourselves...
Wow! It’s probably the easiest fix because it’s not a true sink hole. It’s a collapsed tunnel that the contractor covered over because they didn’t want too deal with it! At least they didn’t build structures on top of it!
In the UK there is rigorous soil testing before the land is considered for building on.Unless it is ONE private persons enterprise.If they build on unsafe ground they have to pull the property down. They are billed for this. What happened here? Well there are so many wooden homes in America, there must be some different rules. We would call them sheds in Europe.
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out how come this is happening, I'm not a contractor nor an engineer, that mess is because of landfill geez Louise. Jajaja good grief. And now that it's poured a deluge it's all slippin and a sliding!
GOOD THING they didn't build a building in that spot!
That’s not called a sinkhole that’s called a cave in so who put the dirt and trees over a drain channel and the cover over the drain channel?
Im pretty sure the engineer knew this would happen that is why no house was was built on top of that canal. They approved to build a yard instead just incase the thin walls of the canal would collapse. City engineers, inspectors, approvers should be responsible for this mistake and should fix this problem. Construction contractors will build anything anywhere and try to make it as safe as possible. It is the inspectors job to make sure the job is done correctly and by the book and law. Its as if they engineers never ran a test on the canals concrete walls.
Well, it wouldn't be called La Habra for no reason... the earth is literally "opening" for them. Poor folks, I hope more people get involved in resolving this for the safety of this neighborhood.
Wtf! Who approved this project?? It’s pretty common sense that a old tunnel won’t withstand that much weight. Especially with saturated soil on top.
Another revealing thing is that they knowingly did not build the condos over that area only the court yard.
They thought they might get away with it by placing lesser weight on top of the tunnel rather than risking the full weight of the condos being built a top of this tunnel.
Wow! 👀
2012. Coming to life