Gymnastics - 6 Amazing Gymnasts Who Were Robbed?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2019
- 6 amazing gymnasts that were possibly robbed.
Due to different circumnstances, these 6 gymnasts might have been robbed either of the chance to get a medal and, sometimes, of the chance to win a gymnastics competition.
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Gymnasts featured on this video:
6 - Anna Pavlova (2008 Olympics Beam Final)
5 - Svetlana Khorkina (2000 Olympics)
4 - Roza Galieva (1992 Olympics)
3 - Lavinia Miloșovici (1996 Olympics Beam Final)
2 - Andreea Raducan (2000 Olympics)
1 - Vera Caslavska (1968 Olympics Floor Final)
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2000 olympics gymnastics was a real mess, Raducan stripped of a Gold Medal because of a Cold Medicine and Gymnasts losing their focus because of the vault that didn't meet the required height.
It was one of those sad cases when the mistakes by the organizers most likely changed the outcome of the competition.
That AA definitely should have been restarted from scratch a day or two later for sure. In terms of a positive test- that “cold medicine” was banned- and the coaches knew it. The rules for that are black and white sports wide, no exceptions (nor should there be). Blame the coaches, but the medal should have been stripped.
Don’t forget the China age controversy.
Great video!!!
Pavlova: yes, she was stupidly penalized on vault for starting before the light turned red but was given a sign by one of the judges to go. Then on beam this was an obvious error of the judges.
Khorkina: yes. Gymnastics at the Sydney Olympics were a disaster (see Raducan below). The competition should have been stopped and redone the day after so that all gymnasts got a fair chance. Khorkina was the favorite and could have at least medaled silver if everything had gone alright.
Galieva: it’s unfair but it was the delegations right to do it then. This time it paid off because Gutsu won and Galieva was not a main contender. So it’s totally unfair but she wasn’t robbed a medal.
Milosovici: same as above except this time, her replacement didn’t win so that’s injustice multiplied by 2. But Lavinia is remembered as one of the best gymnasts of all time and won 6 Olympic medals. Marinescu was a solid gymnast but doesn’t have Lavinia’s records.
Raducan: totally robbed. So unfair. Pseudoephedrine makes you drowsy and is no longer banned. Amânar, who then was awarded gold, also was given the same substance but since she’s taller, the % in her body wasn’t high enough to be disqualified. So this is completely stupid. Again Sydney Olympics disaster.
Caslavska: so unfair. She was the victim of Soviet politics. The Soviets were totally dominating the FIG until the late 80s and did all they could when they could to cheat the system. They did the same score changes with Nadia in Moscow 1980 so that she didn’t win the AA gold on Soviet soil. Vera was a true star of gymnastics. She lost her training facility because of the 1968 Soviet invasion in Czechoslovakia and protested against it. She had to hide in the mountains before the 1968 Games for signing a manifesto against the invasion. She also protested silently on the podium by turning her head down during the Soviet anthem. A true queen. Her life wasn’t easy until the fall of communism in 1989-90.
Inyourlap in 1992 the delegations didn’t have the right to swap out gymnasts after qualification. That’s why they had to go with the lie about Rosa being injured - which was the only circumstance under which a substitution was allowed.
Rosa was robbed of her opportunity because the Unified team wanted gold.
By 1996 the rules had changed - possibly as a result of what happened in 92 - so it was up to the coaches if they wanted to improve their medal prospects by swapping gymnasts. And yes it may have been a bit of a shame for Lavinia, IIRC, she had been swapped in for the all around and picked up a bronze there’s so I don’t think she was robbed.
Ceindreadh ni bFrancis yes I know what happened, thanks for the precision. I meant that the delegations had the possibility to switch gymnast by lying which is not ok of course). I think the term “right” implies having an authority allowing to do something (sorry, English is not my mother language). The ex Soviets used one of their many tricks to boost their chances regardless of the athletes merits. This was the end of an era with the fall of the Soviet Union. I guess the FIG became a bit more transparent after that although there was still a long way to go. The Soviet gymnasts were really great but the system behind them was really rotten.
Ehhhhh Nadia fell in the Team Finals on bars and back then, half of your score was added to the All Around score, so Nadia went in with a lower score. It's a shame if she didn't fall, she'd have won, no question, but the fall was a fall. And Yelena Davydova was spectacular.
Honestly, I don't agree with Nadia's situation, at first I did but I saw her AA balance beam performance, she had two noticeable mistakes and got a 9.85 which was a fair score (kinda overscored), oh, and she fell on team optionals.
I agree exvept Khorkina did not mastee her new skill on bars, he fell during the teams competition as well, so very unlikely she would have won.
The biggest robbery in the history of gymnastics would be Andreea. Poor girl was handed the biggest title only to be taken away, all because of a silly cold medicine
I agree
I remember when that happened. I was pissed
Sorry I think it was justified! They knew what was banned therefore it wasn’t returned! I stand with the IOC
She must have been devastated.
M.Derrick both Andreea and a teammate took the SAME medication. The ONLY reason why Andreea had the positive result was due to her SMALL SIZE. The teammate didn’t even show a positive result because she is taller than Andreea.
Imagine practicing each routine thousands of times.
Completely mastering it.
And then you fall at the Olympics.
It must be heartbreaking.
A reality for many
The heartbreak, good lord. The pressure of that event can’t be simulated either. You either come and handle it like a champion- or you get overwhelmed and fall, it’s so unpredictable.
Vera’s protest, though subtle, was amazing. She was amazing. All of these examples are upsetting, Andrea losing the AA in 2000 was so heart breaking, for Sudafed? And Pavlova 😭
The 1992, 1996 and 2000 Olympics were filled with drama, I love it! 🥰
Felt so sorry for Andreea Raducan (I love my Romanian gymnasts!) but Vera having to share the gold with the Soviet enemy... man, that was deeply felt. I can't imagine that feeling.
That era of scoring was so bad, judges being bought and paid for by the Soviets. She definitely should have stood alone at the top.
Qui Yuanyuan beam in 1997 not included... very impressed
Because she WAS NOT ROBBED. She had several noticeable checks, whereas Gina had a nearly error free routine. The 10 system was the reason for that, but all athletes knew they had to perform to perfection to win- and she didn’t.
The Sydney Olympics were a farce. Just unbelievably amateur hour stuff- how do you not have the vaulting horse at the correct height? How?
And this absolute insanity with Raducan. GIVE HER BACK HER WELL DESERVED GOLD.
The Sydney Olympics are an embarrasement for the event organizers. And don't even get me started about Raducan, in my books the real 2000 all around champion. In fact, I have been working on a video homage to her as my video release this week.
I think Olaru handed Raducan the gold and the other two girls also passed their medals one place up.
And the floor was too hard.
Nope- she had a banned substance in her system. It was the doctor’s and coaches fault, but rules are rules- for a reason. This was known for decades and was clear cut. There’s no ignorance of that policy just because everyone happens to like a particular athlete. She was robbed, but only by her own coaches and that team doctor.
PAVLOVA:
BEAM: She absolutely should be the bronze medalist. The judges "blatantly" overlooked Fei's wobbles and bobbles and "blatantly" did NOT deduct for them . VAULT: sigh.... Sadly....as much as I hate to admit it, the rules are the rules. She was a seasoned veteran by this point and went when the light was still RED. There really was no alternative but to give her a 0.00. (Grrrrrr 🤬).
KHORKINA:
Sydney is, without a doubt, one of the worst Olympics ever IMO. While I disagree with comments I see about restarting the entire competition the next day (unfair to the many gymnasts who had already performed other events) I agree with allowing the gymnasts to vault again. I know the popular opinion is she messed up UB because of VT, which may well be true, but had she nailed that bar routine she would have vaulted again and she could have still gone for the gold. Sadly Svetlana chose not to redo her vault because she knew her gold was gone (sportsmanship?) If she had not had the fall on UB she could have succeeded.
GALIEVA:
Again, the rules are the rules and she "earned" that spot. (It wasnt the delegations "right" to take that from her....they had to lie and said she had a non existent knee injury) Sorry but she performed when it counted and got screwed over by her own coaches. Gutsu just can't be the true champion to me because she didn't make the AA final on her own merit. Sorry. Not.
MILOSOVICI:
I stick with what I said above. Gymnastics is SO much about hitting when it counts. Lavinia should have competed in the BB final as she earned it !! They bit their own asses on that one. (Both Milo and Galieva, like every other gymnast who makes it to an Olympic games, worked their entire lives for this day and I will never agree with the "well your teammate has a better chance so it doesn't matter you qualified, you're out).
RADDUCAN:
Sigh....I'm still so on the fence about this because....the rules are the rules. I get it. So I understand why she was stripped and refused the medal return. It just SUCKS. (What I do not understand is how if banned, "any" amount of the drug in the system was acceptable and Amanar was not hit as well. She weighed more and was taller but still had it in her system). The only teeny tiny consolation is she was able to get the medicine off the banned list. (Yeah I know, not enough!) So many gymnasts travelling across the globe for olympic games get colds and get sick and should be afforded medication to help them feel better to compete. It is not a performance enhancing drug (just as ADHD medicine is not a performance enhancing drug, they are the polar opposite of "doping" drugs). Poor Andreea is just proof that life isn't always fair 😥.
CASLAVSKA:
I call the biggest bull#hit in WAG Olympic history. They waited until the competition was OVER, reviewed the scores, and IMO they thought they raised the preliminary score enough to actually beat Vera.... not just tie. There was no tie and Vera is the ONLY gold medalist.
*As a former gymnast and coach I am big on "the rules" They exist for a reason, even though we dont always agree or outright hate them. Anna Pavlova is one of my all time favorite gymnasts, so for me to admit she and only she blew it on VT is hard... but it's just the truth. We are taught at an early age all about THE LIGHTS!! GO and STOP ! But again, BB was a totally different story.
JoJo 70 at least for Andreea as well, they accepted that it wasn’t her fault so she ‘only’ lost that medal and didn’t have to serve any ban.
I blame the team doctor rather than the judges. The rules are there for a reason and it was the doctor’s responsibility to make sure they stayed within the rules.
@@ceindreadhnibfrancis881 I agree with that. He should have used the weight to dosage formula. He did not. And sadly that led to one of the most tragic events in WAG olympic history
Exactly... This exact same thing happens to even the best, most seasoned elite international 3 Day Event horseback riders (that's what I've been competing in since I was 8) If you accidentally go through the start flags backwards during your warm up circle, or maybe you just ASSUME you heard the judges blew the whistle signaling you to start & you just start before they signaled- or maybe you made TOO LARGE of a warm up circle before heading to the first jump and miss the 30second start window in show jumping (phase 3) or maybe u entered the arena for your dressage test on day 1 and forgot to remove your horse's protective boots or (before the rules were changed ALLOWING use of a crop of a certain kind and length) u forgot to drop your stick u used while warming up, or maybe on XC your VERY excited, amped up, fit horse hops out of the start box before the timer counts down to zero... Those are ALL completely silly, tiny little errors pretty much ALL riders make at SOME point in their careers... And unfortunately, it can happen at the Novice level at a local show or it can happen at the Olympics or World Equestrian Games... But we all KNOW the rules- and if we failed to follow them to the T- it might result in a one hell of a sad disqualification!!! But along with that- I don't think ANYONE in ANY sport likes to win "by default" or simply move upnin thrle standings- whether it's from 9th to 8th or from 4th to bronze or from silver to GOLD based upon someone else's mistake- ESPECIALLY a silly one like that! It's sooo much sweeter of a victory if you BEAT the best when they were at THEIR BEST- and NOT simply because of a silly error or mistake!!! And, unfortunately, as with any sport that has subjective as well as objective scoring and judging (out of bounds or a fall or step on landing? Clearly an error... But the judges scoring is generally a matter of opinion and preference of styles and techniques) there will ALWAYS be people who claim they or someone was "robbed" of a victory over another competitor. it's all a matter of opinion.
I 100% agree about Anna getting bronze on beam in 2008. Anna had one pretty big mistake and deductions on the dismount but Cheng had so so many more
@@nathanielhalls1893 Cheng had a bunch of small mistakes. Pavlova had a big mistake and a bunch of little form errors.
I love Vera for her brave protest.
Brave and respectful to Petrik at the same time.
She had every right for sure. A silent, simple and poignant way to say “this is not a fair outcome.”
Where is ferrari's 4th place on floor final in london?
Many people have also mentioned her as an example for this video.
They got that one right! No argument at all
@Joseph Qualtier thanx judge
During the Women's Team Gymnastics competition at the Seoul 1988 Summer Olympics, American gymnast Kelly Garrison and her teammates competed in all four events. But they came in 4th place. Garrison was also involved in a controversy, involving a rarely used rule, that meant the difference between 3rd and 4th place for the United States. During her uneven bars routine in the compulsory round of the competition, the team alternate, Rhonda Faehn, pulled the springboard away after Garrison began her routine, then crouched beside it and remained on the podium until Garrison dismounted. At the time, coaches and alternates were not allowed to stay on the podium when an athlete was performing a routine at the Olympics. Faehn was caught by an East German judge, Ellen Berger, and the team was deducted five-tenths of a point, putting the Americans in 4th place behind the East Germans by three-tenths of a point. Without the deduction, the United States would have won the bronze medal ahead of East Germany. This would have been the first Olympic gymnastics medal in team competition for a U.S. squad, men or women, and the first gymnastics medal of any kind on the women's side in a fully attended Olympic Games. (The U.S. women won several medals at the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles, but those Games were boycotted by the Soviet Union and East Germany.) The president of the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) at the time, Yuri Titov, apologized to the Americans after the compulsories. But Garrison and her teammates should've gotten their bronze medals.
I remembered reading about the incident. It was such a shame that Germany got the medal not by getting higher scores but by technicalities.
That reminds me of what happened at the 2003 world championships team final. China was penalized because they were doing they’re beam routines on the podium before they actually did them on the beam. So the bronze went to the Australian team and China got fourth place.
@@reneeangely8446 Oh yeah? Check this one out. During the Sydney 2000 Summer Olympics, China took the bronze in the women's artistic gymnastics final. The U.S. came in fourth place. Sometime after the Beijing 2008 Summer Olympics, it was discovered Dong Fangxiao was passing for 17 when she was actually 14 years old during the Sydney 2000 Summer Olympics. Thus, she was underage at the time. She and the rest of her (women's) artistic gymnastics were stripped of their bronze medals. The medals were then awarded to that same year's U.S. Olympic Women's Artistic Gymnastics Team. That happened in a special ceremony during the 2010 U.S. Gymnastics Championships.
I’m well aware of that. But I read comments that the US didn’t deserve the bronze even after the fact that China got their medals revoked.
@@reneeangely8446 Those comments are loads of fiddlesticks. Someone in China made Dong Fangxiao lie about her age so she can compete.
2008 Beijing Olympics Destroyed a good gymnast, Anna Pavlova. After the Olympics she was never the same.
Así fue 😭
It was sad. I think she deserved better luck.
The vault was (as she admitted) her own fault- but I felt it was also the blame of the judge who you could see make a signal motion. That could easily have been misconstrued. As a sports official at the elite level myself we are taught never to do something the athlete can potentially misread. On floor you could see she was still rattled by the vault incident. On beam- she missed an entire element and had numerous balance checks. That one was the area she definitely wasn’t robbed. Fei was overscored without question, but a completely missed element should carry a large penalty.
Komova-All Around in 2011 & 2012, Dina Kochetkova 1996 Olympics Beam
I have a video just about Vila coming out soon, stay tunned.
Komova was great but she made too many mistakes and then it got to her head and she had a number of chances to turn it around but then it was too late.
@@JennSCHWA NO. Komova did not any mistake during the Worlds in AA; instead, Weber was overscored. Then, during the Olympics, she did a mistake on vault, but everything else was perfect. Douglas was overscored in UB and BB. Komova is a legend, she was robbed for sure.
@@missbbaddie She fell out of a turn, which is a fall, she landed two tumbles at chest length, also she had steps in every floor landing at worlds 2011, in 2012 had she not screwed her vault she would have won. Stop making excuses.
Sour grapes saying komova was robbed.
I don't think there will ever be a robbery worse than what happened to Andreea.
The entire Sydney 2000 AA competition should have been stopped and restarted after the vault fiasco. But, they didn't, and they should have awarded Andreea her medal.
The biggest robbery was her coaches giving her that medicine knowing it wasn’t legal. The test being positive- the rules are plain, simple and known worldwide. The outcome is required.
I don't consider Raducan to be robbed, because if the vault had been set the correct height in the first place, she most likely wouldn't even have been a contender for a medal.
Letting the women re-do their vaults after the main competition was fairly pointless since - as we saw with Khorkina and I witnessed with many others - it already messed with the headspace of roughly half the gymnasts there (the error was discovered after 2nd rotation). Khorkina had NO idea why she fell on vault, it didn't make sense to her, but you have to try to just shake it off and move on so she blamed it on herself, having no idea the apparatus was at fault. Gymnastics is a mental sport almost as much as it is a physical one.
Ester Moya not getting the bronze on floor in 2000 was a robbery
After the ones on this video, she is the example most people have mentioned in the comments.
Agreed 100%. Her routine was gorgeous.
Completely agree with these, especially Pavlova as I fee it gets overlooked. I’d also add Simone Biles getting bronze on beam in 2016 instead of Marine Boyer
Anna completely missed an element on her routine. When you only have just enough to contend for bronze and then give some away, you will never medal. Cheng had several balance checks but got all elements completed, not to mention she had greater start value. Same thing for Simone. She won bronze on start value. Even with the error she still had more than Boyer, and earned her bronze.
I did watch the Olympics tis Year! I was a gymnast myself for 9 years till I broke my tailbone and it's very painful thing but you're right every beam routine what's the exact same thing and when you see these mountains and you see the how they turn the waste and do front walk over with which was such what's the word called Grace and just beautiful
Roza was screwed but she wasn't rob. Miller was robbed. Everyone knows she should have won. Her bar score in the AA and her vault vs Gutsu nearly putting her hand down. Roza wasn't winning a medal even if she competed. She was actually watchable in 92 but the judges favored the other 3.
I agree I was expecting to see Shannon Miller on the list
@@66bayouboy same. How could Miller NOT be on the list. She was blatantly robbed of AA gold....plain and simple, cut and dry!! But I guess because Miller is American and therefore full of "white privilege," all of her life time's hard work means nothing. Don't mean to be so pessimistic. But she was CLEARLY robbed of the AA gold medal. Gutsu vaulted beautifully. But Miller was without question.....better on that day with that full twisting laid out yurkchenko.
@@colleenbauhaus7486 her vault is the best i've ever seen.
Shannon definitely was better.
@@66bayouboy Gutsu was a better gymnast. Miller did it great but Gutsu program was far ahead of her time, she deservedly won the gold. Miller did it better on vault, agree, but on bars Gutsu had greater amplitude and technique than Miller. Beam, Gutsu was way ahead of her time, even today her routine is great, on floor Miller had little difficulty, while Gutsu had a double layaout with one leg, and pike full in as dismount, there is no comparition, the best won. Period.
So many abusive things happen to gymnasts this doesn’t surprise me at all
Sorry, but there are some false information in this video. The wrong height of the vault was discovered during the next rotation, so Khorkina began her bars routine without knowing about the vault misery- nobody knew it . All the gymnast who vaulted before the discovery was allowed to vault again after the fourth rotation and Khorkina refused to vault again, because she didn't have any chance to win a medal after her disastrous bars and she didn't want to risk an injury. I felt really sorry for everybody, and yes, Khorkina's bars mistake was a mental one. Some suggested that the whole competition should have done again ....
That is true, but she may have been upset for bars knowing she had no chance of a medal after her vault miss, which might not have happened had the vault been the right height. So while she didn't know the vault had been wrong, it still might have impacted her miss on bars.
I think , the whole competition should have been repeated.
She misses her bars because of the accident she had previously.
She was disappointed and not focused anymore moron
I'm glad she didn't jump again. I think was a painful decision but smart. Let them jump again and pretend nothing happened that wasn't the solution. They could have died.
The competition absolutely should have been restarted later for all. The vault being incorrect was a travesty- and not the first time something like that has happened. I’m a track official and I remember at one Olympic trials comp the height of one entire lane of hurdles in the 400m hurdles qualifying being wrong. They redid that heat later in the day, but told the original three advancing athletes they would retain their qualified status. One additional athlete ended up qualifying and all four advanced to semifinals. That’s an example of how to do it right. Sydney was an example of how to do it WRONG.
Hey. Great video. I think Lavinia Milosovici was Also kinf of robbed on the Floor exercise in Atlanta Olympics. While she was performing her Music/audio failed. Podkopaeva deserved good as well, that was fair but Lavinia deserved a bronze medal as well.
Welcome to robot judges in 2020 :)
@Carrot Cake The IOC is in charge of the US. And the IOC has already anticipated the 2028 headquarters for Los Angeles.
@Carrot Cake WTF are you talking about? The 2 per country rule was pushed by the US when the romanians dominated wag. But now It is not convenient anymore, right?
Another Gymnast who got robbed was Esther Moya on Floor’s Final. I think her routine was her best in her life and was very amazing and clean and she didn’t even medal a bronze which I think that She got robbed big time
You didn’t mention Comaneci in 1980 during the AA
I have a video planned about controversial moments in gymnastics that will feature Nadia in 1980. I have a few other videos coming out earlier, though, so stay tuned.
Nadia herself speaks about this moment in her autobiography. Back in 1980, all the scores in the competition would count (unlike today, when AA or event finals start from scratch, regardless of the qualifications scores). Nadia had a fall on the uneven bars during the compulsories. So, in the AA, she had a lower total score because of that error. She remembers how everyone thought she had been robbed, but says: "I refuse to lie to myself: I had a fall on the uneven bars the previous day, and that's why I lost."
Apart from that, it was a controversial, highly politicized incident, knowing the soviets' strong ambition to defeat Nadia during "the first communist olympic games".
Shannon Miller will always be the true all around champion of the Barcelona games for me. Gutsu was not even supposed to compete because of her beam fall if galieva had been in the competition instead of gutsu like she should’ve been I believe Miller should have/ would have won gold. She too was robbed.
Indirectly, yes, you can say she was robbed. But somebody pointed out to me recently that, if one looks at it from the "would have" point of view, Gutsu would have competed had they qualified by their individual countries, Ukraine in her case, just like they did at the European championships in 1992, prior to Barcelona.
@@Gymnastly True, but Shannon still outperformed Gutsu in the AA.
Is this for Olympics only? If you do another one, Kui Yuanyuan was so robbed at the 1997 worlds beam final.
Keep an eye out for my next videos. She's going to be in one of them soon.
Just Artistic Gymnastics whooohoooo!!!! She and Yang Bo are my favorite beam workers
Kui was NOT robbed. Gina had a cleaner routine and earned the gold. That 10 system left no room for checks and Kui had several.
Galieva was robbed by the FIG and the FIG alone for the 3 per country rule. The Unified Team coaches were allowed to put any gymnast in the AA who had qualified in the Top 36, per the rules. They were not obligated to use rank order from the team competition, which is something that has persisted for nearly 30 years now unfortunately.
It's also interesting that you mention Marinescu replacing Milosovici in the beam final, no mention is made that Marinescu was pulled out of the AA Final in favor of Amanar 😂. Milosovici *may* have had a chance at bronze via mistakes, the way Gogean wound up winning it, but Alexandra was a much better beam worker in 1996. Not a bad decision IMO.
What was done to Caslavska is inexcusable, and I've heard she was poorly treated for many many years afterwards by the Czech government due to how she acted during the medal ceremony. (I've no idea how true this is, though.) I also have never seen either of the full routines in question, but the raising of Petrik's score obviously seems sus af.
Khorkina said she will never get over what they did to her in Sydney, and neither will I. That situation could not have been handled worse. Starting with the vault not being set back to the correct height following the MAG competition nor checked beforehand. Every decision made thereafter was just as bad, if not worse. Such a clusterfuck 😭.
What happened at the 2000 Olympics seems so unlikely, nearly unreal; they should have just restarted the entire AA competition, either later on that day or the following day, on my opinion.
I get the Khorkina one but she fell on bars the next rotation. She even said in an interview she felt her chances were ruined and the fall on bars was mental
She said that for her it was all over after that vault, she knew she couldn't be an Olympic champion.
Her mental error was due to the incident at the vault. Then she had the right to do her vault jump, the vault was set up lower than it should have been, but the organizers forgot to tell her. What a mess.
She fell because she was totally distraught.. she was the queen on bars and hardly ever made any mistake!! Let alone fall from the apparatus..
Esther moya!
Yes, her floor was amazing in 2000.
She deserved bronze over Amanar who went oob. Right but because Amanar was the official AA winner judges will not let her without a medal on floor.
All of them were robbed.
All except Pavlova. She was rightfully 4th
All except Whoreky, who did it to herself.
Andrea was not. She tested positive for a banned substance, the rules are crystal clear.
Umm Marinescu was given the spot in the final on beam because they stole her AA spot and gave it to Amanar. If you’re gonna tell a story tell it all the way
That's what Octavian Belu, and the broadcasters from several countries said, so, unless Belu was incorrectly translated, the video is right. He made the change for the beam final.
Agreed. Marinescu had a spot in the AA but Belu took her out and put Amanar in because Marinescu wasn't a "hard worker". They said since Amanar had placed high enough going into the AA and it was only the 3 per country rule keeping her out, he had the right to do that. Always made me wonder why everyone got so up in arms about Galieva/Gutsu and didn't about Marinescu/Amanar. It was the same situation but it didn't seem to be a big deal the second time around.
Octavian Belu was a monster not deserving of being a coach.
@@saragrant9749 I haven’t heard any stories about him but I don’t find that hard to believe 😞. There are/were so many monsters training these young women
In 1992, both Galieva and Shannon Miller, were robbed.
FR, Miller's vaults were so much cleaner than Gutsu's but they gave her a lower score so Tatiana could edge Shannon out for the gold.
That whole Sydney situation should have been scrapped and restarted a day or two later. It was a complete travesty. And for athletes replaced by others because of their coaches- the coaches should face severe consequences (being banned for several years at least) as that is such poor sportsmanship. That last one is why I’m glad the judging has changed in modern times. There were many performances back then that truthfully should be reevaluated and medals reassigned to more rightful people. HOWEVER--
Some corrections here--
1.) Raducan was NOT robbed- by the IOC or the International Gymnastics Committee!! She tested positive for a banned substance, period. No athlete that tests positive for something not allowed should have their medal, even if that substance is later removed. It wasn’t legal at the time and everyone knew it! She was robbed by her coaches and no one else.
2.) Chong was definitely way overscored on her routine but Pavlova completely missed an element. Neither should have gotten a medal on beam.
Does not seem far that some of the coaches favored certain gymnasts to win and pulled some good ones out and those gymnasts faltered. Like the Miller and Gutsu battle in 1992, gutsu made some costly errors in her routines she had the most difficulty and not perfect. She fell on beam and was out of AA final then coaches yanked Galiava out claiming she has a knee injury but did not and slipped Gutsu in. When it came to the vault Millers vault was perfect her legs were stuck together toes pointed perfect form and stuck the landing perfectly not a wobble, where Gutsu legs were clearly apart in flight and she landed but slid her feet together subtly and they gave Gutsu the gold in the all around Shannon the silver, Gutsu retired after that from gymnastics Shannon had to wait 4 more years till 1996 Atlanta to get team gold, faltered in the all around, but finally got her gold in the beam event finals. It always seems some the judges play favorites with some countries and there gymnasts. Or politics might be involved. Not fair to some of the gymnasts that work hard only to be sidelined by one that may not be great but favored.
Judging has got better over the years. We've come a long way since the days when they changed the scores after the competition to favor a gymnast (usually a Soviet) over anybody else. I'm thinking about the Vera Caslavska and Larisa Petrik case, but the Elena Shushunova - Daniela Silivas vault scoring by Nellie Kim at the 1988 Olympics AA final also comes to mind. In that last scenario, it is true that Shushunova would have won the gold medal, however, the scoring by Nellie Kim was undeniably biased.
@@Gymnastly Nadia Comaneci was robbed in 1980 AA final with Maxi Gnauck
Well since USA was boycotting those Olympics not really aware of that controversy till i think i read Bella book about those Olympics and how he pretty was in a head to head battle with that East Germany judge who underscored Nadia purposefully and i guess they went head to head again at the 1984 Olympics where she might have underscored some of The American girls routines especially Retton and McNamara he was couching them.
I would include Doris Fuchs Brause in 1966. Her UB was miles more dynamic and difficult. She had perfect technique and the only form was a slight flat-footedness on her dismount. The judges scores ranged from 9.5-9.9. When her 9.6 score came up, the crowd erupted and for _*58 minutes*_, they showed their anger and protest in boos and stomping. Even some officials and members from other teams joined in.
As far Khorkina in 2000, I would say(because there were at least 3 others that could've taken gold had everything gone right) that the entire field was robbed. They should've re-done the entire event. My pick for gold was actually Lobaznyuk or Karpenko
For 1996, there were at least 2 other incidents I thought were bigger robs.
-Marinescu got Galieva'd. She qualified ahead of Amanar, but was pulled from the AA. The only difference is they diddn't have to lie about an injury.
-Gogean did not deserve bronze on VT. She did not do a Phelps. She did a Tsuk layout 1/2. She didn't deserve any vault medal after 1994 because she never did a Phelps. The second vault should've gotten a zero and Galieva should've gotten bronze. The whole point of the Phelps was doing the 1/2 twist before the front layout. That is what made it difficult.
I had to go back and watch that- you’re right!! That was definitely NOT a Phelps vault!
I agree with all of this!
Ponor (I don't know what year) had a real chance to take the AA title, but she had a poor uneven bars routine, so coaches decided not to compete for the AA. During the qualifying for vault, floor and beam, she scored very high marks, meaning that even with a very poor executed uneven bars exercise, she would have taken the gold. She was very upset afterwards, because she knew that she could have easily taken gold. She could have lower a lot the difficulty to favor safety.
Ponor in 2004 only had a UB routine that would have scored in the mid-8's maximum, so she wouldn't have been close to medalling in any major meet. Her coaches made the right decision making her focus on her three best events for the team.
@@Gazmeizster_Wongatron No, she would have easily taken the title even with a dodgy uneven bars routine. Even she said that. It was a poor decision from the coaches.
@@phaenius Nah, you take her best scores from Athens on vault, beam and floor. She would need at least a 9.0 to get over 38 - there was no way her bars set would score anything near that based on vids from her competing at Nationals etc...
@@Gazmeizster_Wongatron Don't make me investigate, it happened many years ago and don't recall where, but I clearly remember Ponor stating she was angry because she knew she could easily perform well enough an easy routine that would grant her the gold overall.
@@phaenius 👌
I was going along with the list all happy shmappy...until we got to Lavinia. cue: screeching car brakes.
Seriously, Milo's beam routine in 1996 did exactly what it was designed to do; give the judges enough justification to give Milo a 9.8+ _for the team._ It was not in any way special. That routine was there to be clean, well performed, and adequate.
As an analogy, think 1991 when Zmeskal was getting 9.987 on FX in the team and AA...then in EF she did her best executed floor...she got 9.95s straight across the board, except for one 9.900.
Because her floor difficulty and "specialness" was enough to put her as a whole into the top slot, but not enough as a single event to warrant gold.
Kui Yuanyuan 1997 Worlds on beam and Viktoria Komova 2011 Worlds AA, hugely robbed, both, so unfair, judging is the worst of this sport,
Absolutely not in either case. Kui had some checks in her routine, Gina did NOT. The 10 system didn’t leave room for checks, period. In 2011 Victoria had noticeable errors on both beam and floor plus didn’t score as highly as she could have on bars or vault due to some little errors and a non stick landing- critical when you’re giving your opponent 7 tenths in SV. Jordyn had the error on bars but drilled her beam set then had a head start on SV for floor- which evened out her own little errors. Victoria herself stated later that she cost herself the gold- both times.
If you’re going to criticize like that the judges, then get off your own lazy duff and become one yourself. You think you’re the foremost expert on judging? Go prove it then!! Otherwise you’re just a hypocrite.
There are a lot of issues in sport that are due to politics.
Gymnastics is no different.
The politics in gymnastics but IMO it's nothing compared to figure skating. Holy yowza.
They should have restarted the 2000 AA final. It was a farce.
Jiang Yuyuan was the Chinese gymnast robbed of a medal.
No, she was not. The 10 system left no room for checks, and she had several. Gina had a cleaner all over routine.
Andrea Raducan will always be the true 2000 AA champion.
Not with a positive test for a banned substance she isn’t. The rules are clear cut across every sport worldwide, and aren’t open for exceptions just because it’s everyone’s favorite gymnast. The coaches are absolutely to blame but the penalty has to be applied no matter who it is. If the argument is “she was just a child who had to do what her coach told her”- then no one should be permitted unless they are 18 and a legal adult by competition time. Rules are rules, no matter how people might feel.
It’s in black and white that’s she’s not so sorry not sorry. She’s a pretty girl but rules at the Olympics are in stone
Lavinia hurt her foot & skipped the BB event final to recover. Lavinia M. kindly gave her spot to Alexandra Marinescu.
You should have had two for sixth place on this vid. The 2008 Olympics also screwed over Liukin in the uneven bar final for gold when they tied her score, and their computer system no longer took ties and gave the top spot to the Chinese gymnast even though there routine and more errors. They should not have received the same score.
While Marinescu may not have qualified over Milosovici for beam, she got the same deal Galieva got with the AA. She also qualified, but her coach called her undisciplined and pulled her out and put Amanar in. Amanar did tie for bronze, but it seems like missing an AA is bigger than a final, especially since Milo had four medals from Barcelona, 2 of which were gold.
Those Soviet and Romanian coaches were monsters, ruining the chances for several deserving athletes. It’s why I feel there should be a rule that if you have to pull an athlete for any reason, the replacement cannot be from the same team. It would prevent this type of thing from happening- and it does still occasionally occur.
Esther Moya 😔😣
She was sadly underrated.
I mean it sucks that the vault was set at the wrong hight but I wouldn't categorize her fall on the next event solely a mental error. She fell on the same skill in the team competition. Clearly not a 100 percent consistent skill. Just commenting on what Im seeing a lot of in the comments saying she only fell on bars because she fell on vault. There are other aspects at play as well as the mental game after a second round fall
Wheres is Komova 2011 and 2012 AA?
She is actually on the video I released last week, called "Viktoria Komova: The Gold that Got Away"; check it out if you want to see precisely those 2 competitions you mention.
Robbed implies the person that won the medal didn’t deserve it. Wieber and Douglas hit their routines. I love how people complain about Russians/soviets being robbed after decades of gymnasts being “robbed” by Soviet gymnasts. Ha ha
First, understand that Komova was WAY over scored on her vault in 2012. Had that vault been evaluated accurately, the end result would have been even more clear for Douglas.
Shang chunsong? 2016 AA Fan yilin?2016 bar ef Wang Yan? 2016 floor ef Bai yawen? 2014 Beam ef Jiang yuyuan? 2008 floor ef
Wow, I could make another video like this one just with Chinese gymnasts.
Just Artistic Gymnastics you could possibly make an entire one with just Shang Chunsong (I’m just saying from what I’ve read in comments, I have absolutely no proper knowledge of artistic gym)
None of them were robbed. Shang had a substantially lower SV vault and poorly performed it to boot. She also had a severe lack of artistry, especially on floor which she was justly deducted for. Yang had a terrible qualifying effort with several missed connections and very low handstands. She did not earn any spot in the event finals. Wang Yan on floor had several low chest landings which cost her.
Roza was cheated out of the opportunity. There is no way she would have won but she was 100% cheated out of the chance. Now Miller, she was robbed.
If Roza was scored right in the team competition she would have had less points than Grudneva. She didn't deserve to make it over Gutsu even with Gutsu's fall. Way overrated gymnast her whole career.
@@grantgoffin4774 1992 Galiyeva deserved to make the AA because she actually made the AA. Gutsu was the one overscored. Roza had a double layout, a full in off beam. She was the real deal in 1992.
Pavlova is one of my favourite gymnasts, but during her routine she made a huuuuge mistake. What routine have you seen?! After the first acrobatic sequence, in the third element (I don't know its name) she clearly didn't reach the handstand position she was supposed to do and that's a big deduction.
Shang Chunsong in he 2016 olympics aa final would have been a good one to put.
Nathan all of your comments are about Chinese gymnasts being robbed. Are you sure you're being fair?
@@mapndo2337 ok well Shang actually was robbed.
Shang had a very low SV vault that she poorly executed to boot. She also had absolutely no artistry on floor especially, and was rightly deducted for it. She finished fourth rightly.
Pavlova should have had silver.
As much as I like Cheng Fei, I'm with you: I think Pavlova deserved higher scores.
No, she should have gotten 4th. She had a major error right off the beginning of her routine.
They were all robbed. End of. Sport can be a very unfair game. It's supposed to be enjoyed in the first instance. That soon changes, as high level competition sneaks up on you 😎😎
They were absolutely NOT robbed. Rules are rules, everyone knows exactly what that entails. Especially in the case of Andrea!
Also Alicia Sacramone in the 2008 Olympics bean final. She should have gotten bronze instead of Cheng Fei.
Interesting view, most people put Pavlova on that spot.
@@Gymnastly i think he is referring to the vault finals. Because the beam finals consists of shawn johnson and nastia luikin who won gold and silver respectively. remember the 2 per country rule 😇😇😇😇
Agreed
But she did not even qualified and for the USA we had Jhonson and liukin
I think they are talking about the vault final and I think Alicia was definitely robbed.
Roza Galieva deserved better
Gymnastics and I’ve skating use subjective scoring so much of the time. I don’t get it. The whole world can see mistakes!
You should add Komova 2011 and 2012.
In 2012 even Komova thinks that she lost the medal because of her landing on vault (there's a documentary where she talks about it), but in 2011 many people (including many international commentators) felt that she was robbed.
2011, yes. But 2012 was Gabbys. What you need Komova to fall twice to make it even more obvious?
@@markv7390 Bitch please. (1) Look at the result from the expert reference judges (2) Take a look at Gabby's "switch ring leap" on BB. (3) Take a look at Gabby's UB score. It's a consensus in the community that Komova was robbed in 2012.
Komova’s floor score was incredibly low
MNGYM26 no one but 2 people received more than a 15 on floor! Aly got a 15.350 in QF
Anna Pavlova ha sido una de las grandes gimnastas rusas artísticas con gran dificultad en sus ejercicios de viga y salto nunca se me hizo justo que le robaran sus medallas desde la final de salto en Anaheim 2003,luego el AA y la final de viga en Atenas 2004 siendo que la viga de patterson fue rutina obsoleta y después en la final de viga en Beijing 2008 si cheng fei tuvo pésima actuación
y mas aun cuando no le dieron la oportunidad de revocar ese 0° cuando había ganado el bronce y la verdad desde esas olimpiadas ya nada fue lo mismo😢 ahora es puro fraude y favoritismo a USA
El COI está a cargo de EE. UU. Y el COI ya anticipó la sede de 2028 para los EE. UU.
Pavlova robbed herself in 2008 by completely missing an element in her routine- or have you conveniently forgotten? While I agree Fei was overscored, the Romanian girl had the most bronze medal worthy routine.
In terms of who runs the IOC, that’s merely snobbish Russian arrogance speaking. Who is currently not permitted to compete in sports of any kind internationally? Oh that’s right, RUSSIA. Maybe if the country stops thinking it has the right to cheat by promoting the use of banned substances they can return to competition. History says otherwise though.
I bet Cheng Fei came up to Pavlova afterwards and said: "this is for the 1997 Worlds Beam Final". :P (if u wanna talk about robbery, Kui Yuanyuan got a story for you.
Pavlova was ROBBED by Cheng. Period.
Oh lol yes Kui Yuanyuan was SO robbed
@@minion0777 no
Chen Fake: 2 falls = 2 medals
They were Anna’s and Alicias medals
@@angeliastone-tolcher2386 Cheng Fei was 9 tenths ahead of Alicia in difficulty and a fall at the time was 8 tenths off, also Cheng had much better execution besides the fall than Alicia.
@@angeliastone-tolcher2386Anna didn’t earn the medal either. You forget she completely missed an element in her routine. When you have only just enough SV to contend you can’t afford to do that!
Se les olvidó el robo del que fue víctima Catalina Ponor para favorecer a Raisman en 2 aparatos en los mismos JJOO de Londres 2012: suelo y barra
On beam Catalina should have performed a cleaner set if she wanted a medal, simple as that. On floor she had less start value than Raisman. She should not have even been in that floor final after her qualifying round which had a huge error in it. Her score there was a joke.
Shannon miller got robbed too hehe
You should’ve put in Dawes vs Milosovici beam event finals 1993 Worlds. Dawes was totally robbed of gold to Milosovici who had much lower difficulty and more mistakes. Everyone including the commentators were stunned 😳.
Most of the happenings on this video were selected by users, but the one you mention is interesting too.
Where's Nastia Liukin from the Uneven Bars Final at Beijing 2008? She was robbed of a gold medal when she tied with He Kexin from China. Somehow they both had the same D-Score (difficulty score) and the same E-Score (execution score) and Nas was put in second place after the Chinese officials realized the scores were tied. I feel like they both should've gotten gold medals. The Beijing 2008 Olympics for gymnastics were so biased towards China. The one with Anna Pavlova and Cheng Fei is another example of how biased the Olympics for that sport were.
Galieva was not a medal contender in the 1992 All Around. The medal contenders were always Miller, Zmeskal, Bontas, Milo, Gutsu, Boginskaya, Lysenko, and Onodi.
Doesn't change the fact she still beat her in the qualifying.
@@enchantedella6495 that is nice and I don't care. Honestly Galieva was atrociously overscored. Her gymnastics is ugly shit and her bird arms on beam and floor are scary. If the scoring had been proper Gutsu either would have still gotten the 3rd spot even with her fall or Grudneva would have gotten it instead of Crybabylieva, so if anyone was robbed of an AA spot it was Grudneva by improper scoring. Anyway gymnasts replaced each other all the time. The only reason anyone cares if she beat Miller who youtube fans seems to have ap athetic hard on over. If Miller was not there nobody would care, people pretend to care about Galieva when they only really care about Gutsu beating Miller in the All Around and dreaming up ways to prevent it.
Notice how in 96 Marcinescu was replaced by Amanar and nobody gave a shit.
@@tonypadilla738 even Bulimar was replaced with Iordache în 2012 London
Judging by the comments I got from this video, and in many other videos where I feature Galieva, people seemed to care about her.
@@tonypadilla738 In 1992 there were different rules than 1996 and in 1992 Roza was actually a pretty good gymnast. I was never a fan of her any other year but in 1992 she was pretty good. In 1992 the only way to replace a gymnast was if they were injured and the Soviets LIED. They broke the rules. In 96 you could take any of the top 3 gymnasts of said Country if they placed in the top 36. Maybe you should learn the rules.
Not all of these gymnastics were properly robbed. There was some questionable decisions by coaches, some injustice, but not necessarily robbed. Caslavka was the worst since she wasnt robbed, she didnt lose NOTHING. Being Robbed is when a gymnastic receive a low score for a good routine OR when a gymnastic did a routine with many flaws and despite that receive good scores. For example i consider Rebeca got robbed today in world championship that take place in UK, her score was too low for good routine, she deserves at least silver.
She WAS robbed- no debate. She should have stood alone at the top and not been forced to share with a completely undeserved second individual. That represents the era of Soviet bias at it’s most clear cut.
@@saragrant9749 Yes debate. It wasnt.
Pavlova beam was not a robbery like everyone insists. Yep, Chang Fei had those three mistakes you showed, and nothing else. Pavlova had several mistakes. She balked out of both dive handstand elements (.3) and had .5 worth in deduction on the dismount alone.
Exactly! Idk why everyone is bitching about how Cheng Fei was overscored. She was not. I’d even go as far as to argue that Pavlova deserved 5th, behind Dragoi.
So the "myth of Roza Galieva" being robbed of a medal continues 31 years later? Yes, she qualified for the 1992 all-around event for the Unified Team. But she didn't have the routines or scores high enough to qualify for any event final. Roza was not guaranteed to medal. She would not have beaten Shannon Miller, Gina Gogean or Lavinia Milosevic in the 1992 AA--that is a given. T. Gutsu had more difficult skills, more experience & was a more decorated gymnast. Coaches knew she had a chance to win the AA. RG was robbed of a spot in the 1992 AA--that's it! Well, Roza got her 2nd chance to the AA as the leading Russian gymnast & team captain in 1996. She had a new body, more complex exercises & she qualified to event finals too. Roza Galieva still came away from that event w/o an AA medal & without a any medal in EF. Consider the matter closed. Still, she can be admired for making two Olympic teams winning a gold & a silver medal.
It is no myth. She was CHEATED out of her rightfully earned spot in the AA final. No coach should ever get away with LYING to get an athlete they favor into any competition. As soon as the lie was discovered the result should have been amended and Gutsu’s scores should have been dismissed from the results. The coaches should have faced a ban from 1993 through the next Olympic Games as punishment. In every other sport a lie like that results in immediate disqualification. Those coaches were demon spawn not worthy of even being called human.
Cheng Fei deserved her beam medal. Pavlova had a huge mistake right off the top of her routine.
Where is Yuanyuan Kui？
Her 1997 beam ay worlds EF is still today one of my favorite routines of all times.
Great routine but a few too many checks in a system that didn’t allow for them. Gina deserved gold as her set was substantially cleaner.
Where's Komova 2011?
She was never robbed, and has said just that herself. She made too many mistakes in 2011, versus just one big one for Jordyn who also had more start value overall.
Komova All around at London Olympics
I made a video exclusively about that, you should check it out: "Komova: the Gold that Got Away".
She wasn’t robbed.
ラドゥカンの美しいことよ
Ferrari vs Mustafina, London 2012
I always also think of Nastia Liukin in the 2008 UB finals with the stupid tie breaker, to me she had a cleaner routine. I wish they treated it like worlds where there can be more than 1 gold medalist... same with Aly Raisman in 2012 AA but at least she got her redemption
I also thought there shouldn't have been a tie breaker un Beijing 2008.
Yang was robbed of gold. Nastia should have been 4th behind Beth. THAT DISMOUNT WAS A POINT IN DEDUCTION ALONE.
Poor khorkina 😿, I stil can’t believe that vault was low
She is such a poor sport after they got medals they took it off crying wawa the usa gymnastics took medals and they were proud of a bronze medal khorkina can be a cry baby
Daffy Duck she is a diva 💁🏿♀️
The Sydney 2000 Olympics were such a mess, it's hard to remember such an eventful gymnastics competition at that level.
I think Khorkina was a diva in her own mind. While a gymnast - her moves were not fluent or flowing or even the routines did not appear competitive. Don't get upset with this statement - just understand that is how it appears on video. The problem at that Olympics is that they should have called the vaulted gymnasts coaches over for a meeting to see what they wanted to do.
Inexcusable at that level. I’m an international sports official (track and field) and we are taught to always measure things like hurdle height twice- once by us and once by other officials. That guarantees things are correct.
All the robbed are of slavic heritage. This story sounds familiar ...often.
Caslaska wasn't robbed the Soviet refs & coaches knew the rules, they saw that her routine was technically weaker than Petrik. They rightly fought the judges for Petrik's correct score. Wish US judges would fight & petition for their athletes rather than allow international judges to steam roll them out of medals through vicious underscoring & devaluation of hard skills.
Delusion much? The coaches- SOVIET coaches of a regime working to take over the Chechs homeland- forced the judges after the fact to alter the results to place their athlete on the gold stand. Vera was the only deserving gold medalist there.
Correction:!!!!! Khorkina decided not to redo her vault and that was clearly stated in the broadcast. She potentially robbed herself of the opportunity. I just watched a full clip here on RUclips where they stated she was advised and opted not to redo.
She didn’t redo because she’d just fallen on bars as well and knew it was pointless. She was robbed by vault judges who failed to do their jobs properly. As an elite sports official myself it enraged me that they didn’t handle that situation properly- as in restarting the whole damn thing.
Miller was was robbed! She performed far better than Gutsu
Missing Komova in aa 2012, she really deserved that gold
No she didn’t. To say she was robbed is to say Douglas didn’t deserve the gold medal. Douglas hit all her routines and deserved it just as much
If Komova didn’t do what she did on vault she would have won but because they only get one go she had one chance to do it
@@angeliastone-tolcher2386 but she did do what she did. On paper komova had a higher starting difficulty value (I think by 0.20), but she didn’t hit all 4 events on the day of competition. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
You should check out my video about Komova, "The Gold that Got Away" about the golds she missed out on.
@@pedropelaez Douglas was overscored on beam, and Komova way underscored on bars. Floor scoring was a bit questionable too but lowering Douglas's beam score and raising Komova's bars score, both which clearly should have happened, Komova wins, even with her small mistake on vault.
Komova 2012 AA. sure she screwed up on vault, but when it came down to it she nailed the floor routine when she needed to and was robbed by the judges.
She robbed HERSELF and has stated just that herself. Vault was her one key weapon against Gabby, and she didn’t take full advantage of it. On bars she didn’t perform quite as cleanly as she could have, again not taking full advantage of her small advantage in SV. On beam they were about equal in terms of execution, and yes- her floor was her best ever effort. It was given a huge execution score but she needed more SV there to overcome the big error on vault- and didn’t have it. She has graciously accepted and appreciated her silver- you should do the same.
Pavlova, no. IIRC, she made a major mistake on one of her skills and had a few other wobbles, so it was unfortunate but she basically gave it away.
Rosa was definitely robbed of her chance. True, the odds of her getting a medal weren’t as high as Tatiana but the unified team lied about her being injured.
Lavinia no. By 1996 the coaches had the right to swap gymnasts strategically, and Lavinia benefitted from it in the all around.
Khorkina, yes and no. It was unfortunate that nobody noticed the wrong setting on the vault, but surely a gymnast of her experience should have noticed it during warm ups. And there’s no guarantee she’d have gone clean ion the bars anyway, given that she had a fall on them in the 1996 all round.
Who Robbed Them? ? ?
Whatch the video to find out.
I think that Daniela Silivas was robbed in 1988 AA final and Shannon Miller was robbed in 1992 AA final.
YES
Of course Pavlova was screwed out of a medal. Terrible
No she wasn’t.
@@nathan10120 Pavlova had the superior routine. Fei had significant balance checks that went beyond obvious and clearly got the upper-hand with favorable bias being in China. If you were to watch the routines, one after another, it is obvious that Pavlova did a much better job.
@@pappysprite Cheng had the superior routine. I know that Pavlova’s mistake didn’t look like a mistake but in her 3rd element, she was supposed to do a half turn before swinging down onto the beam but she didn’t, which is a major deduction for not completing the skill.
You know, maybe it's Roza. That was complete bull crud.
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Thanks very much!!!!
Olympic is always a political game.
If TUE was available for Raducan, she could have kept her gold medal for sure. Biles used drugs but had TUE to back it up.
It's nonsense they took it away for an ingredient in cold medicine. An ingredient that has since been taken off the list!
Biles uses prescription medicine which is IOC approved. Unfortunately, Raducan's team doctor gave her cold medicine that was not on the IOC approved list. You make it sound shifty with Simone with the way that you chose to phrase your comment :'Biles used drugs'. Very disingenuous.
@@mysticalmargaret6105 prescription medicine means drugs.
You obviously don't know your drugs, Biles is treated for A.D.D, Adderall is not a performance enhancing drug.
@@sahpire75 LOL! She took Methylphenidate (Ritalin) using TUE.
Andrea Raducan deserves her Gold back...that is not fair play on behalf of the Olympic Committee!!! Pavlova deserves the Bronze over Cheng, we all know that, the chinese cheated terribly, between the underage He Kexin, not granting the US Alternates visas, although they could not compete with the excellence of Nastia or Shawn and their dominance on the podiums. Roza Galieva was given the middle finger by the Soviet officials, and Shannon Miller was robbed of the All-Around Gold by Gutsu (any further questions refer to Gutsu's disastrous opening tumble on Floor Exercise in the All-Around and the deduction the judges didn't take for her huge step (over a meter-1 yard) Gutsu should not have even medaled had she been correctly scored, or at very least bronze.
Andrea had a banned substance in her system. The rules for that are crystal clear across every sport worldwide. As much as I loved how she performed, that rule is inarguable. Cheng performed all her difficulties in beam in 2008, Anna missed an element entirely. That was more costly especially when her SV was only just enough to contend. The whole age thing with He Kexin and Deng Linlin has been thoroughly investigated and vetted by the IOC. Hopefully that never comes back as being an issue. Rosa and Shannon must certainly were robbed, you are 100% correct. I had not heard of the Visa situation with the USA alternates, pretty disgusting stuff.
Just rewatched the AA 2008 Beijing games. It was absolutely disgusting how the judges on every event favored the Chinese., even with outrageous falls, hands on the beam, bobbles, balance checks, etc., etc., etc. Pavlova was outstanding and her smile was electric! As for the games in the 60's, yeah, the Soviets and their European fellow travelers, as well as the East European nations absorbed into the Soviet empire, insured Soviet domination for 10 Olympic cycles. Although Czechoslovakia was absorbed into the Soviet Empire after WW II and made a Communist country, Czechs tried to find some freedom during the Prague Spring of 1968. That's why the Czech girl hung her head, and that's why the Soviet judges changed the scores so a Russian could win. They knew the Czechs would say nothing because the Red Army had moved into Czechoslovakia to quash freedom.
Unfortunately, politics has played a role in gymnastics for a long time.
Team: They absolutely 100% deserved the gold medal with everything that happened to Alicia that day
All Around: Yang Yilin 100% deserved her AA Bronze medal. There was no one to challenge her for her medal.
Vault: Cheng Fei was 9 tenths ahead of Alicia in difficulty and a fall at the time was only 8 tenths off, and besides the fall she has much better execution.
Bars: He Kexin and Yang Yilin should have been 🥇 🥈 in the final. Nastia was so overscored. She should have won bronze
Beam: Pavlova had a huge error right at the beginning of her routine, and if Li Shanshan didn’t fall then she would have gotten silver right behind Shawn.
Floor: China didn’t have a medalist on floor.
All goes to say that China deserved every single medal that they earned. The judges at those Olympics weren’t even Chinese.
Anna pavlova le robaron varias veces la amo
She was never robbed
@@nathan10120 claro que si
So sick of hearing about Roza Galieyva in 1992. This video is wrong, She had ZERO chance to get a gold medal much less win ANY medal in the AA. She was not robbed of anything. Gutsu was a better gymnast and deserved her spot in the AA. Gutsu won the gold medal bc she was more talented. Galieyva did not lose out on anything. She’s not a champion, all she does is whine and blame others. Like she did at the 1996 olympics in Atlanta. The crowd was pro USA, duh, but Galieyva couldn’t concentrate bc she’s not a true champion.
I'm sorry that I have to correct you but the video doesn't say that Galieva would have won gold, the point it makes is that, whether her replacement by Gutsu was the right one, which it was, Galieva was robbed of the chance to compete for a medal (she might not have won gold, but she did have a shot at bronze). But, with her replacement, we will never know.
Galiyeva wasn't on floor during the noise Kotchetkova was. NBC lied. It doesn't matter if Galiyeva could win or not she EARNED the spot. Roza was a great gymnast in 92. Go watch her routines. Miller was the one cheated by the judges. Nellie Kim is a cheater
The most egregious was Pavlova. Khorkina has no one but herself to blame for not getting her sh!t together on bars. I wonder if Gutsu has ever apologized to Galiyeva. Raducan was not robbed. Every athlete is responsible for what they put in their bodies. The coaches snd the athlete need to take responsibility
Biles was robbed
When? 😂
@@andreeaandreea2796 kkkkk she is always underscored
@@soaresjr7788 how is she underscored? She's basically winning everything.
@@andreeaandreea2796 but her performance is so much better
@@soaresjr7788 yeah, five persons experts în gymnastics surely got it wrong all the time, because she is so much better 😑